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Complaint Review: The Fleming Organization TMF Marketing

The Fleming Organization, TMF Marketing Appears to be a very shady company, and those interested be aware before investing too much time Manchester, Ellisville Missouri

  • Reported By:
    St. Louis Missouri
  • Submitted:
    Sat, February 07, 2009
  • Updated:
    Thu, February 26, 2009
  • The Fleming Organization, TMF Marketing
    http://www.theflemingorganization.com/
    Manchester/Ellisville, Missouri
    U.S.A.
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My account of The Fleming Organization is no different then others, those 'reports' on this site that are still visible and those which have been archived.

I was called in for a 10 a.m. interview by Mike McMahon with Terron Montre Fleming at the business suite offices in Machester/Ellisville for an account executive position. Terron strolled slightly before 11 a.m. During this time, I spoke at large with the receptionist about the company, which she was completely oblivious too. She, in such words, said she is "kept in the dark". She didn't know one client the company worked with - which I thought to be very odd.

When I went into the bare conference room with Terron, I was actually quite impressed with him at first. He said he inherited the company from his deceased father, and mentioned at least a dozen times how he worked in car sales. I do not believe he has anything to do with who is pulled in for the interviews, because when he scanned over my resume, discovering I am a newspaper reporter, his eyes grew large and he became nervous, fast-talking and seemed uncomfortable in my opinion.

At the end of the interview, I felt uncomfortable with the company, but Terron had said he was interested in me with the company, and to contact Mike McMahon the next day to start the background check. I have nothing to hide and already work for a professional company - have no criminal record and am drug free - but I was very hesitant to provide personal info to this company for a background check because of identity theft.

I was not interested in the company after the interview, but was curious about what in my opinion was some sort of scheme, so I contacted Mike McMahon the day after. Oddly enough, I couldn't get ahold of him the next few days in a row and he never contacted me back.

There are a lot of things I find to be troubling about this company that people should be aware of in my opinion:
- The fact that "company employees" - Terron, Sarah and Mike - have spent so much time on this site to unprofessionally debate those who post on here. It is a very odd manner for a real professional company to act. Most companies let their work speak for itself and don't bother to visit sites like this because they have no worries their company is legitimate. I hardly doubt someone from Fleischman Hillard would respond to criticisms on here.
- The fact Terron was not able to provide me with any clients the company deals with.
- The fact that I have been unable to dig up any info on The Fleming Organization in Illinois or Missouri that would show Terron inherited a previously established company.
- The fact that I did not see any other employees of the company besides the receptionist at the office. Terron was also unable to provide me with a specific location to the company's "other facility".
- If you bother to call the company at its listed phone number, no one ever answers the phone - no receptionist, no employee, nothing. If you punch in a extension, no answer either. There is not a answering machine to leave a message either. Very fishy.

People, when dealing with this "company" use common sense. I highly suggest you show no interest in this company, but if you feel you wish too, then in the interview demand (professionally) to see or hear a list of more than 10 companies or clients The Fleming Organization deals with. Also, push to find the "other location" where "over 100 employees" (as Terron told me) work. If you do get a list of clients, call all of them and see if they know of the Fleming Org. If you get an address to the "other location" then visit it - see if it holds up.

Just because these so called 'people who work for the company' post on here does not mean its not just one or two persons posting as fake made up people. Just because a press release is submitted on freepressrelease.com by the company does not mean it is anymore legitimate. If you scan the site the Fleming Org. uses at freepressrelease.com, you can find free press releases for about anything, including free porn sites.

Better yet, since Sarah, Mike and Terron spend so much time on here. How about you do your company its due diligence and provide an extensive list of clients worked with and an address to the location where all the employees work.

Reporter
St. Louis, Missouri
U.S.A.

16 Updates & Rebuttals


Beaware0122

ST CHARLES,
Missouri,
U.S.A.

What Terron.... No response??

#17UPDATE EX-employee responds

Thu, February 26, 2009

Well terron its been a few days and yet I haven't recieved a response from you. What can you not think of any more lies to tell the people on ROR. you make me laugh everytime I log on and read the responses by You.. I mean sarah and terron.. Give it up everybody on here can read and they know that Sarah is you Terron. I am going to keep warning people by posting on here, and every other outlet to make sure you dont screw anybody else. so... I look forward to you response, I am always in need of a good laugh.


Beaware0122

ST CHARLES,
Missouri,
U.S.A.

Guess What Sara (Terron) Im back!!!

#17UPDATE EX-employee responds

Tue, February 17, 2009

I really still want to see these papers you claim I was served with!!! I havent posted on here because I have been very busy with my job!!! So Again please serve me with papers, so i can counter sue your company for lost wages and oh yea not to mention the hours that i worked without pay... So dont throw my name out there, because I will be watching!!!!!!


Beaware0122

ST CHARLES,
Missouri,
U.S.A.

FYI to Everybody on here

#17UPDATE EX-employee responds

Tue, February 17, 2009

Incase everybody hasnt realized already Sarah, and everybody else that posts on behalf of this organization is Terron. The way I know this is... Take anything you talk about in the interview with Terron and somehow it manages to get posted on here after you make a report about the company.... There is nobody else that works in the ellisville location other then Terron and a receptionist that changes, when he/she realizes that this company isnt legit, or he/she gets tired of the abusive way terron treats them. again as I have said in my previous posts I am not here to talk down upon the company, so dont take it as such I am just merely warning everybody out there that if you get the position wheter it be in sales or management you will NOT have it for very long. Terron will find some reason to fire you without PAY!!!!!


Reporter

St. Louis,
Missouri,
U.S.A.

Not really Sarah...

#17Author of original report

Fri, February 13, 2009

Good luck serving papers when you don't even know who I am. Good luck proving it was some poor schmuck you claim to be serving papers too.

How do you know why I posted my name to be reporter? So you just assume it was some person and put all his info out there? I followed the links. I saw what was posted on his page, so I took advantage of it.

By the way, my interview wasn't Dec. 18, as you claim it was. It was much later than that and more recent than that. If I was unhappy with how business was being done, why would I wait two months to post it if my interview was really Dec. 18?

It would only serve you right to serve him papers to his dismay, for him to discover what was put out there on him by you and return the favor. You threatened physical harm to him, and you have slandered him left and right.


Sarah Conway

N/A,
Missouri,
U.S.A.

Bravo...

#17UPDATE Employee

Fri, February 13, 2009

Justin, I mean "John Smith" if you are really "retired" I would suggest getting a hobby. By the looks of things, your daughter wouldn't last one minute at Fleming. I would suggest you stay out of business that is not yours. Also, what person who is not even envolved would throw himself into this? Hmm, could "John Smith" be Justin or a relative?

I might not know the whole law about slander but the Fleming's do and their attorneys.

Scare tactic? Ask Chris Parker about our scare tactic. When he was served with papers, if you noticed, he hasn't posted on here since.

As far as my professionalism goes, this is rippoff report. Most people know about this site. Barely do people put much stock into these reports. Especially, against a reputable company like ours.

"30 years in the media?" Tell us, with what companies? I'm dying to know.

From what I am told, Justin is being taken care of. John Smith, I would suggest you get a life. Your retired. Go do something productive. Go to Africa and help out the starving kids. You having oh, so much time on your hands should be able to do it.

Well, it's been fun. For the next group of people that look to slander our company, I would suggest NOT revealing your identity unless you want to be sued. And to "John," well, I won't waste one more word on you.

To everyone, we answer phones and do everything "legit." This John person called our company "unknown" and NO we don't answer those calls. Our company has been around long enough and has gained a phenomenal reputation. Other than these false reports, there is ZERO negative publicity on our company.

Thank you Justin and John for proving once again, well, NOTHING.

SC
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John

Edwardsville,
Illinois,
U.S.A.

Let's break this down

#17Consumer Comment

Thu, February 12, 2009

I do not know why I am spending so much time on here about this company since I technically don't have a dog in this fight. Maybe it is because my daughter was interested in the company. Maybe I am retired and don't have anything else better to do. Maybe I just don't like seeing this kind of behavior displayed.

I think you are right Sarah when you said you don't know the laws well, and as someone with vast experience in media law, what you stated is very correct - you know nothing about media law or slander.

Let's break down what Sarah has said:

"You said we NEVER answer our phones. EVER. No employees, No voicemail box, no nothing. You said our company is 'shady and a scam?"

. Oddly enough, Sarah, I looked up your company's web site and obtained two phone numbers through it. 877-353-6660 and 314-415-2108. Your hours of business are stated to begin at 9 a.m. I, for the heck of it, called both numbers a little after 9 a.m. today, then following at 9:30, 9:45, 10:15, 11:30 and just now at 12:30. I punched in extensions and also for the receptionist. No one answered the phone ONE TIME when I made all those calls. This young man is speaking out of his experiences. Can you prove that when he called someone answered the phones during business hours, because I just did the same thing and had the same result. He said the company, key word, "appears" to be shady and a scam. This is a matter of opinion, no libel or slander because he is not for sure coming out and saying he knows for certain the company is such. Good luck proving otherwise.

"Then you accuse us of leaving a posting on your website? Hmm, do you have proof we did it?"

. The young man said through IP tracking software he utilized it. He said the "connection is very sound" so once again he has said he doesn't 100% know it was you, but he suspects it - once again, not slander. By the way, I don't know much besides its existence but I asked my son who is an IT and he said IP tracking software is easy to access and can originiate where someone posted something on the internet from.

"because Fleming's attorney would eat you alive."

. Nothing but a weak scare tactic, that has been used by your reps in the past on here.

"You say when I said the Highland Leader is going out of business, which it is, is slander/libel and you can prove it? How? Scroll down to the bottom of the page, Ripoff doesn't reveil identities of the author. So you would loose....Also, from hearing the interview, you even said it yourself that that newspaper is struggling because of the economy and that it is LAYING OFF EMPLOYEES"

. You could spend all day counting newspapers who are laying off recently because the economy, it doesn't mean they are going out of business. You mentioned how good your attorneys were? It doesn't matter because when you say again the newspaper he works for is going out of business then you better be able to prove 100% they are, or else no attorney in the world can defend that because there is no gray area with that statement. This web site may not reveal identities, but attorneys in these cases can track IP addresses and find out information about the user through gathering through the internet service provider. It literally would take a matter of a day to do. Hiding behind fake names doesn't protect the real identity either. Same thing goes with saying he is not a reporter. I don't care about the examiner site - move past it - but if you visit his newspaper's site that you have referenced yourself you will see he is a reporter. That is a slanderous statement because you have no proof he is not a reporter, yet said in your own words "he is not a reporter." Don't you see there is no gray area there? Don't you see this isn't an opinion? You made a statement through your miswording that is slanderous.

"you are on tape. Your suit looked blue to us."

. So you got the color of his suit wrong. You appeared to get the height wrong. He was misidentified to who he even was in the begenning of this post - yet who is to believe you have incriminating evidence on tape? You were wrong about all that, yet are positive about Fleming's body motions? It is laughable.

"is slander or libel because it is written."

. Couldn't be further from the truth. Slander can take place through spoken word also. All that it takes is for at least three people to hear it - the person who said it, the person who it was about and one more. Slander is protected against opinions also, which this young man has only offered - his opinions. He hasn't said he has 100% proof the company is a scam.

"Mr. Fleming 'showing up late' is not a scam, just bad time management. "

.The young man never said it was. You are trying too hard. He also never said you steal people's identities - but you brought it up.

"Justin, you say your not 5'4, dude, your shorter than Mr. Fleming"

.This doesn't sound like something a "Sarah" would say.

"Also, if you read his report on Obama, this Justin Gibson guy in my OPINION, is clearly a racist. He might not have come out and said it, but he clearly called Obama in other words, 'a incompatent colored ni**** who has no business running our country.'"

. This statement blew me away. I went over and read his article and by no means do it show in any way he is a racist. He appears to not care for his politics and doesn't like the media's obsession over him? So what - that's not being a racist and for you to to make up in your own head that he called him the 'n' word is uncomprehensible and absolutely disgusting.

"I guess you being young you were trying to get your big break because Fleming's are an African American family."

. Once again - what is this about. Completely unnecessary and down right it makes your look stupid.

"You will see his goofy pic and clearly show he is not a real reporter."

. Yes, that is really professional, which you spoke of right before posting this drudge.

"All he does is copy what Ken Rothersthal of ESPN writes"

. Once again, unless you can prove he copies what Ken Rosenthal writes, this is a slanderous statement.

"I would love for you to come up to our building. Personally ask for Terron and David Fleming. I would LOVE to see them kick the crap out of your 5'4 behind"

"But from what I am told, within the next couple of days, I believe we won't be hearing from you anymore. Take that comment however you want."

. Yet again, this is not slander, but an threat. This has repercussions to it much more severe than slander. Not to mention, what kind of business professional posts this? Is anyone else not really doubting this company?

I find it funny you kept referring to his slanderous statements, but then admitted you don't know the laws. Trust me, as someone with over 30 years in media law, I could tell you don't know anything about slander without even saying it.

I would quit throwing the lawsuit scare tactic out there also. A countersuit would be simple to prove and you have also made threats of bodily harm. You would lose, and you would lose bad. This is just me speaking, he probably doesn't even have interest in suing you or else he wouldn't be wasting his time on here, but quit using that crap as a scare tactic.

The records of what have been said on here would be produced. The IP addresses and personal info of those where the comments originated from would be presented.
It would be asked, is the newspaper going out of business (more specifically in April like you said)? They would show their shares in stock and finances to prove they are not going out business. They would ask if this young man was a reporter. They would show his filework to show he is an employee of a newspaper, and show his published articles.

You would have no defense to backup your statements unless you have some insider trading info that would prove otherwise. You would have no defense if you are able to prove the company, for some reason, is not really employing him and is lying about it.

DO YOU GET IT? You don't know anything about slander, but how to commit. Stop posting on here because not only do you commit slander, you make yourself and your company look bad.

P.S. - My daughter didn't interview with your company, she didn't follow through with it.


Sarah Conway

N/A,
Missouri,
U.S.A.

SLANDER?

#17UPDATE Employee

Thu, February 12, 2009

Wow! You say I don't read, maybe you need to look at yourself. You did slander/libel us. You said we NEVER answer our phones. EVER. No employees, No voicemail box, no nothing. You said our company is "shady and a scam? Do you know what slander/libel is? Can you prove ALL of those claims? If we go to court, which is likely, I doubt if you tell the judge that we NEVER answered our phones, you didn't see any employees, No voicemail, is a proof for a scam. Let me tell you how a slander or libel case would go. We would have the task of having to prove you claims, are false. Just like when ex-employees accuse of identity theft, they would have to prove that. Them saying, "its their gut feeling or going off of hearsy, is not proof. The judge would laugh in there face. Anyone with a brain reading you post, would laugh. Why? One of your reasons were fraud is we don't answer our phones? We don't have voicemail? You call it fishy. I call it someone who is biting off more than they can chew and might want to tone it down.

Then you accuse us of leaving a posting on your website? Hmm, do you have proof we did it? I find it interesting that you say it is from us? Do you have proof it was from us? I would love for you or your company to bring a case against us because Fleming's attorney would eat you alive. As unprofessional as this that maybe, it is true. Don't believe we have an attorney(s)? Go right ahead and sue us, you would be suprised. One thing I will give the Fleming's is they know not to do business without a good lawyer or accountant. Just a quick entrepreneur lesson for everyone. LOL.

The word "kid" has been used on this site a lot and Justin you fit that perfectly. You say when I said the Highland Leader is going out of business, which it is, is slander/libel and you can prove it? How? Scroll down to the bottom of the page, Ripoff doesn't reveil identities of the author. So you would loose. Thats why Kyle wrote what he did. He made up the investor reporter so you could tell on yourself. Kyle is very smart. He knows how to get information. He would have made an excellent detective.

Also, from hearing the interview, you even said it yourself that that newspaper is struggling because of the economy and that it is LAYING OFF EMPLOYEES. The words coming out of your mouth. By the way John, we can have cameras. It is for the safety of our building. So yes Justin, you are on tape. Your suit looked blue to us. Oh by the way, if you are this "big time" reporter/examiner, you need a lot of work. Let me tell ya, if someone where to video tape how I do events, they would know it was from someone with experience. Other than the "how many employees" question, you didn't ask anything like a reporter. Reporters would have asked detailed questions. Questions that would have made Fleming "eyes grow big, fast talking" etc. You didn't. Yours was a standard interview. Fyi, none of us were impressed by you. You are definitly a rookie.

You are right when you say Kyle is very professional. All our execs are. And no, I am not Mr. T. Fleming. And no, Fleming doesn't allow me to post on here. Mr. T. Fleming was just informed of this posting today and all I have to say is you might want to read what you right. From the information I gathered, your young and still wet behind the ears. I don't know all the laws but attorneys to. From what I am told, what you wrote, is slander or libel because it is written. Your a "reporter" right? You should be trained on how to word certain things. If you didn't do anything wrong, then you have nothing to worry about, but I would highly suggest you ceise and desist with your false claims of fraud, scam and a shady company.

Here is were your information doesn't add up. You say Mr. Fleming was interested in you, with his "eyes growing big, talking fast, etc." But he didn't offer you the position but we were going to start a background check on you anyways? Okay, that sounds like a scam to me? Yea, lets run a background check on someone who we are not interested in hiring? Justin, we were born yesterday. I have done interviews and we don't run background checks on everyone! If you haven't noticed, other than drug screens, we pay for your criminal background checks. They are expensive and I highly doubt as "frugal" as the Flemings are, (thats a joke Terron) they wouldn't run background checks on people they are not interested in. So, thats how I know your lying. Because you have to come back up to the office to fill out that information, take your drug test and sign your job offer letter. Basically, thats the "second interview" if you will, and if you have made it there, the position is yours pending you pass the background check/drug screen.

You say McMahon didn't answer his phone? No one called you back? Well, did you ever consider that they were not interested in you? From what I am told, you don't have loads of experience as a Marketing Account Executive, so maybe that is why you didn't receive a return call? I also noticed they didn't pursue you at all, and it wasn't because you are a fake, I mean reporter.

Most people who work here are Donald Trump supporters and most of us love Joel Osteen, since we support them financially every month. I mentioned Donald because he wrote a book with Bill Zanker of The Learning Annex to prove my point. I highly doubt Mr. Fleming would waste time on someone who didn't even work for him. Mike is usually the one that monitors our reputation and I found it odd that Rippoff Report is the only site for negativity. When Dateline NBC does a investigation on us, then I might freak out. LOL.

Warning signs? What signs. To start off with the "other employees claim." Half of these reports are by the same person who makes other people, like yourself, look like its more than one person. Mr. Fleming "showing up late" is not a scam, just bad time management. No other employees? Since we are dominated by outside sales, I doubt you will see all the employees. Are we suppose to come out and greet all the applicants to prove we exist? We have some workers that are 1099 and work from home or at our virtual offices. I guess we don't have a janitor either right? You didn't see him? Other than that, I see no fraud. I do see employees that were terminated trying to get back at us? If you read word for word other claims that we steal peoples identity, like Mike said, why didn't they turn us in?

Let me ask you Justin, if you worked for us and saw us "stealing" peoples identites, would you continue to work for us? Or would you quit and go turn us in? I would choose "QUIT" and here is why. If we stole someones identity, EVERYONE would be arrested or a suspect. So for those ex-employees giving that false claim, why didn't you quit when we were "stealing identities?" Hmm? We don't. Case closed.

I do find it odd that out of all the postings from these ex-employees, none have come out and said their identity was stolen. Just other employees identites we steal. Well, if we don't have "other employees" than who's identity are we stealing?

Justin, you say your not 5'4, dude, your shorter than Mr. Fleming. Do disrespect to the boss but He is not that tall and from watching you guys walk in together, you were not matching him height for height.

I also find it odd that you wait almost TWO months later to post this. Who are you to add fuel to the fire. You were not wronged in anyway. Anyone with commonsense will see from you original posting, there is nothing of fraud. Your claims of us employees answering complaints, Fleming being late, you seeing no employees while you were in the waiting room and Fleming not telling you TEN clients is fraud? Everyone who reads this, I want you to call R & S Marketing, Emmerent, "Fleishman-Hillard", Kolbe Co, etc. and see if they give you "TEN" clients. If they do, ask in detail what they do for them and how long they have been a client. I promise you, they will say, "why do you want to know?" If you answer is, "I'm just making sure your not a scam?" They will hang up on you. Trust me, I've tried.

As far as John goes, pyramid schemes? We are not SPORTSPLUS, GATEWAY, CYDCOR OR SMART CIRCLE. So you can relax on the "pyramid schemes" claim. "Why would anyone want to work for us." Opportunity, fun environment, fair pay structure w/ benefits, no politcal garabage...Need more?

I doubt "John" exists. I doubt your "daughter" applied here if so, give me here name so I can tell Brian to avoid here. Those "articles" you claim are nothing. He is an examiner. You work independently. I personally called, after searching for a number, to see how you can become a "examiner" and it is easy. Other than a background check, they will hire you and for NO money. Look on their page, it will say, "want to write for us?" Or "want to become an examiner?" He writes "articles" about sports and in my OPINION he does a ENTRY LEVEL job. If you look at 'REAL" sports reporters, there articles are very detailed and shows they do their homework. Also, if you read his report on Obama, this Justin Gibson guy in my OPINION, is clearly a racist. He might not have come out and said it, but he clearly called Obama in other words, "a incompatent colored ni**** who has no business running our country." Fyi, if you such a big reporter, why is it that when I called, they basically had no memory of you until I described you in detail? This coming from a big time reporter and someone who runs the website.

Also, why would a "sports reporter" come in for a article that doesn't even involve sports? I guess you being young you were trying to get your big break because Fleming's are an African American family. And no, I am not playing the race card. I am whiter than casper the friendly ghost but I know how are "kind" can be.

To John, go write ahead and supenea Ripoff. See if they will reveal the author. You can't get the IP address, even if you could, no judge in their right mind would waste twenty minutes on the case. The words "case dismissed" would ring throughout the courtroom.

The word professional is used a lot throughtout these post. Our COO, Kyle Jenson, conducted himself as a genuine professional on here. I thank Stephan for backing up his new employer. I haven't meet you yet but for someone who wasn't even hired yet, sorta-kinda already sticking up for your employer, I applaud you.

Sticking with the professional theme, If you call REAL reporters, they would not post on here. Justin Gibson is NOT a reporter. Your an examiner. A sports examiner. You do not have to have any real experience. I see you had NO answer to the coverage area comment? Why? Whoever is the owner of the St. Louis Examiner is probabaly a smart business man/woman and know that they would be a libel lawsuit away if they were to post something about us.

For more information on JUSTIN GIBSON visit, http://www.examiner.com/x-1359-St-Louis-Sports-Examiner. You will see his goofy pic and clearly show he is not a real reporter. Also, if you want to become a reporter and earn minimum wage, its easy: http://www.examiner.com/about_examiner/.

When I say "real" I'm meaning you are not a person that we would "eyes grow big, fast-talking, or become nervous" about. Read his lame storys. All he does is copy what Ken Rothersthal of ESPN writes. Talk about fraud.

If you read his mini bio, all it says is, he is a reporter for a St. Louis newspaper. Okay, which one? I have personally called the "major ones" and NOTHING. So by looking at you, I can determine an age range...ROOKIE. You have a lot of learning to do. Any reporter, I know one, he is not a big time reporter but he even said that it is strange for someone to use the "REPORTER" image to try and intimidate an employer. Justin, you said you have read all the postings on here, if you haven't noticed they have threatened us with Attorney General, BBB, etc, so do you think a rookie reporter/examiner is going to shake Fleming and it's companies to it's very foundations? By the way, Chris Koster, the new AG and David Fleming, CEO, no each other very well, so threatening us with that won't work.

Justin, You just know about Fleming/TMF. Terron is not the sole owner of the "Fleming Fortune." So that is also how we know your a rookie. You did a quick google search/sos.mo.gov search to see who owns what. Let me give you some knowledge buddy, just because someone is the registered agent, doesn't mean their the owner. One of our subisidaries in cali has our accountant listed as the registered agent. Also, just because Terron is listed as "chairman," that doens't mean of ALL companies buddy. So for the next time you want a story, do your homework a bit better. You really showed why you are working were you do. Keep posting like your a big shot reporter. I am sure the Fleming's would love to put little punks like yourself back in your place. There isn't any 'story" here. If there are, save them for the REAL reporters. Not amauters like yourself. Your a rookie. If you want to make it to the big time, I wouldn't post on here. I would come out with something in the paper or on the news. Thats what real reporters do. Now, if you wanted to post as a "concerned citizen," thats different. But to say our boss basically was scared and you leading other people who read this that you were a reporter and you "cracked the case?" Is complete BS. Personally, I love how you try and hide behind the reporter name. Since your so bold and have a big time job and attorney, come out with your full name. Matter of fact, I would love for you to come up to our building. Personally ask for Terron and David Fleming. I would LOVE to see them kick the crap out of your 5'4 behind. And trust me, he is short as hell. Terron is not the tallest person and you would think he would be the shortest before going into miget land. But Justin is short. He is not average height. Unless he grew a hell of a lot over the last two months, he is short. So, stop lying to people and grow. Literally.

Also, take a look at the HIGHLAND LEADER. Justin talks about no information on us? Other than business listenings, there is ZERO information on this paper or Justin. Just like Terron and Mike, I reside in Illinois. Highland is a VERY little city. So, them going out of business is definitly possible and will happen. I heard there date for them closing their doors were April. Call them at 618-654-2366.

Advice: Before you attact someone, you might want to FIRST, gather all the facts. Even your comment about Sportsplus, etc. You might not agree with them, but they are connected with Smart Circle/Cydcor who are huge as hell. So if you think you can take on a company, bring it. But from what I am told, within the next couple of days, I believe we won't be hearing from you anymore. Take that comment however you want.

P.S. I would love to know the outcome of the comment listed on your webpage since you claim we left it. Hmm, without proof, and I mean concrete proof, thats slander. But from reading what they wrote, "this guy is a joke, his articles suck, get a real job." Thats not slander. First off your a fake reporter so people can comment on your work. If you can't handle it, your in the wrong field. Whoever wrote that, expressed their opinion. They didn't accuse you of fraud like you did to us. Keep me posted.

SC
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Reporter

St. Louis,
Missouri,
U.S.A.

No Ill Wills

#17Author of original report

Wed, February 11, 2009

John -

Thanks for your insight. I have also studied media law throughout my coursework and was familiar with much of what you said.

I harbor no ill wills towards the Fleming Org. I saw noticed some things during my experience with them. I looked on this web site and saw similar accounts, so I posted my experience on here to give people something to look out for.

The Fleming Org. could very well be a legitimate company, or it could be something for people to be wary of - I don't know. If they are legitimate, I wish them nothing but the best. If they are, I would think, they would appreciate these companies that prey on people to be weeded out because they are hurting business for them.

I appreciated Kyle's comments in the beginning of this topic. I did not appreciate Sarah's completely false accusations that I am not a reporter and that my newspaper is going out of business. It is very weird a company would allow a representative for them to make bold slanderous statements that can be proved inaccurate in a matter of two clicks on the Internet. I do not appreciate reps. from the Fleming Organization making malicious statements on the sports blog I do for a hobby. Disagreeing with something I wrote about on opinion on there is one thing, I welcome criticisms, but the comment left by them was just downright odd. I have IP address tracking capability, and the connection is very sound.

Here is the quote I am questioning:
"I know what you did: This (guy) is a joke. His articles suck. Get a real job.
February 8, 2:30 AM"

If people interview with the Fleming Organization and wish to move ahead with the business, then I wish them and the company nothing but the best of luck. I hope the mutual benefits are great. I just think it is important to keep everyone informed with what poor experiences some may encounter.


John

Edwardsville,
Illinois,
U.S.A.

Why would anyone want to work for this company?

#17Consumer Comment

Wed, February 11, 2009

I have had my eyes on the Fleming Organization because my daughter recently graduated college and applied there. Being a media person myself, I am aware of pyramid building schemes to I have helped keep an eye on things for her.

As someone who minored in media law, and is pretty affluent in it, I have to say some things posted by employees of the Fleming Org. is downright puzzling.

First, Sarah said the person who posted this from the start is "NOT a reporter". If you roam over to the newspaper's web site she claimed he worked for, it is very obvious he is a reporter. He has several articles and stories published as recent as Feb. 9 and much past that. I am speaking about a real newspaper who prints issues, not the examiner.com site.

How do you know he is an "ENTRY LEVEL EDITOR"? Typically, newspapers don't have entry level editors, just editors who work their way up, usually with experience.

Second, it is absolutely puzzling why Sarah, an employee of The Fleming Org., would state his newspaper is going out of business. I am familar with the newspaper and it is connected with a big newspaper in Illinois and owned by Mcclatchey, which purchased the large newspaper several years ago from Knight Ridder. If you check it out, neither newspaper is going out of business soon.

To prove defamation/slander against the Fleming Org. in this instance would be successfully brought through court rather quickly. It would be easy to prove the young man IS a reporter, and simple to prove the newspaper is not going out of business.

What this young man has said is not slander, as stated by Sarah. Everything he has said is open to interpretation and a matter of opinion, which is not slander nor would be able to be shown to be in court. Eyes growing big, fast talking, body movements are all open to interpretation and can not be factually proven to be false.

How do you know the young man did not ever get anyone to answer a phone? This is all subjective also. It is not slander. I highly suggest you actually learn what things mean before you start throwing out false terms - because you clearly don't have a clue.

Several people in other posts on this site also claim all the employees to be the same few people. If this is true, I hope they realize that a fake name can't block very easy access to discovering the internet address the computer originated from. It is easy to figure out where postings on the internet originate from, fake name or real name provided.

I am concerned about this matter of cameras in the interview room either. You don't have the right to tape or record someone without their permission if there is a expected right to privacy. Since I read in another complaint on your company you rent the business suite from another individual, you don't own the building. So it could come into question fairly, in my opinion, if there was a reasonable expectation to privacy where personal info would be given out in the interview process.

Maybe you should listen and understand where this young man is coming from. Reading several other complaints on your company, then going through poor experiences, as he stated. It appeared to me he was alerting others for things to look for. Maybe if you would address kindly and "professsionaly" (since this word has arisen often here) he would have been more keen to listen. Instead, this had only turned into an attack thread, just like all the others concerning the Fleming Organization, which has poor reflections upon the company. Maybe he didn't handle it correctly on here, maybe he did. But this is your company's reputation you have to try and protect and addressing things in a professional manner would look good upon you.


Reporter

St. Louis,
Missouri,
U.S.A.

One more thing of wrongness...

#17Consumer Comment

Tue, February 10, 2009

No "Sarah" - I didn't have on a blue suit. I don't even own a blue suit. I own three suits. Two are black and one is dark grey. No blue though.

I am also not 5'4 - not even close to that, actually.

You might want to check your 'cameras' again. ;)


Reporter

St. Louis,
Missouri,
U.S.A.

Wrong again...

#17Consumer Comment

Tue, February 10, 2009

Actually Sarah, just like Kyle you are wrong. Your wrongness amounts to slander and libel in a big way though that would be able to have repurcussions if it were to be pursued.

Yes, I write for the website you named, but that is just as a hobby and also to earn a little extra money on the side. I find it funny that through tracing a recent malicious comment left on one of my articles, it traces back to similar IP addresses used through your associations. You get mad about a suspicion on this site, ripoffreport, so you go make degrading comments on my article? Please - as I said - very unprofessional.

Trying to discredit people by telling half-truths isn't very professional either, by the way.

And actually, I am a reporter and also manage the web site. No, we are not going out of business. We are a sister company of the News-Democrat. So for you to say we are going out of business is outright slander and a lie, and completely false claims as such are easy to prove false and can be proved as such in court. Very easy to do so, and an open and shut case.

Maybe my interview was at 9:30 - i can't remember for sure, but it doesn't take away from the fact I waited for almost an hour for Terron to show up late. So who cares? I was also asked by the receptionist if I wanted to reschedule my interview because of the lateness.

When I set up my interview with Mike McMahon, the phone number he gave me was never answered once. The only time I was ever able to reach someone by phone with the Fleming Org. was through Mike's cell #. Maybe, for some reason, it was just my situation. I don't know but that is all I have to go off of.

I never claimed to have been offered the position, learn to read. I said Terron told me he was interested in me and to follow up with Mike the next day to start the background check process. When I did, no one ever answered the phones in the office for the number I was provided with..I only received an automated message about please wait on the line.

In my opinion, I am starting to think some of these posts by different people within Fleming are all by the same person - Terron. Seem to follow the same grammatical errors, word style and in my interview Terron also brought up Donald Trump many times throughout the interview....just like Sarah did in the same post above out of no where...hmmm...

I don't know if your company is a scam, or it could be very legitimate - i don't know. I don't know if you have a hidden agenda, or you don't. All I know is there are some warning signs I saw so I posted them on here for people to look out for. All I know is there are several other people on this site who have seen the same things I have.

If they go forward with the job, and are happy then good for them - seriously - its great they got a job they like.


Sarah Conway

N/A,
Missouri,
U.S.A.

Reporter?

#17UPDATE Employee

Tue, February 10, 2009

To everyone that reads this report, do not put much stock into this "reporter" claim. His name is Justin Gibson. He had an interview back on December 18 @ 9:30am not 10. He is NOT a reporter. He is a independent sports examiner worker for the St. Louis Examiner and ENTRY LEVEL Editor for the Highland Leader paper that is going out of business. No cameras? Well, through these "fake" cameras that we reviewed, you had on a blue suit, white male, about 5'4, sound right?

And yes, these cameras do show everything. Mr. Fleming's eyes didn't grow big. Why would it? First off, your not a real reporter. What reporter posts on here? Number 2, he nor any of us are doing anything wrong so why would he, as you said, "eyes grew big, fast-talking, became nervous." Now, if he was guilty of something, thats different, but hes not.

Our business is out of your coverage area? I don't believe that one bit. I do believe you when you say you don't have any specifics other than this site. You would be laughed at if you were to write an article off what you read on this site and probably sued.

The client policy stands with everyone. I get clients that ask about other clients and I don't give out that information. You say you have other businesses that "bragg" about their clients? Well, did you ever notice we are not "other businesses?" Were Fleming. We don't do what everyone else does.

Its just like, some businesses do criminal checks/drug screens? A LOT don't. So does it make those other companies fraud for not doing those screenings?

I love the Fleishman Hillard name dropped. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I read somewhere that their president (in California) was indicted? This report wasn't from UNPROVEN sites, like Ripoff report. It was a PROVEN article. Google "fleishman hillard fraud" and there are numerous articles about this company.

You say it is unprofessional to defend your company? This is why your not a business owner. I'm sure any REAL business owner would agree that you should answer any and all complaints. When you dodge them, wouldn't you agree that that looks abit "fishy?"

Bill Zanker, The Learning Annex, is a billionaire. He wrote a best-seller with Mr. Donald Trump. Type The Learning Annex name on here, and there are quite a few reports about this company. Shockingly, they have been answered. Now, The Learning Annex will let their work speak for themselves, as we will to. But they know there are those gulliable people that will believe ANYTHING they read.

So Justin, if you every own your own company one day, stick to your formula of dodging complaints. Lets see how long your business lasts.

I find it funny you slander us and say we NEVER answer our phones and there are no voicemail box. You say you called the next two-three days, that was our Christmas Break. There were days that were half days and we were closed.

Another thing I find interesting is you said Mr. Fleming pretty much "freaked out" when he read you were a reporter. Yet, he still offered you the position? I kinda find that hard to believe if he was "shaken in his boots" about a examiner, I mean reporter.

Address? Go to our website. Phone? Give us a call, I guarantee, someone will answer and if they don't, there will be a voicemail box.


Sarah Conway

N/A,
Missouri,
U.S.A.

Reporter?

#17UPDATE Employee

Tue, February 10, 2009

To everyone that reads this report, do not put much stock into this "reporter" claim. His name is Justin Gibson. He had an interview back on December 18 @ 9:30am not 10. He is NOT a reporter. He is a independent sports examiner worker for the St. Louis Examiner and ENTRY LEVEL Editor for the Highland Leader paper that is going out of business. No cameras? Well, through these "fake" cameras that we reviewed, you had on a blue suit, white male, about 5'4, sound right?

And yes, these cameras do show everything. Mr. Fleming's eyes didn't grow big. Why would it? First off, your not a real reporter. What reporter posts on here? Number 2, he nor any of us are doing anything wrong so why would he, as you said, "eyes grew big, fast-talking, became nervous." Now, if he was guilty of something, thats different, but hes not.

Our business is out of your coverage area? I don't believe that one bit. I do believe you when you say you don't have any specifics other than this site. You would be laughed at if you were to write an article off what you read on this site and probably sued.

The client policy stands with everyone. I get clients that ask about other clients and I don't give out that information. You say you have other businesses that "bragg" about their clients? Well, did you ever notice we are not "other businesses?" Were Fleming. We don't do what everyone else does.

Its just like, some businesses do criminal checks/drug screens? A LOT don't. So does it make those other companies fraud for not doing those screenings?

I love the Fleishman Hillard name dropped. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I read somewhere that their president (in California) was indicted? This report wasn't from UNPROVEN sites, like Ripoff report. It was a PROVEN article. Google "fleishman hillard fraud" and there are numerous articles about this company.

You say it is unprofessional to defend your company? This is why your not a business owner. I'm sure any REAL business owner would agree that you should answer any and all complaints. When you dodge them, wouldn't you agree that that looks abit "fishy?"

Bill Zanker, The Learning Annex, is a billionaire. He wrote a best-seller with Mr. Donald Trump. Type The Learning Annex name on here, and there are quite a few reports about this company. Shockingly, they have been answered. Now, The Learning Annex will let their work speak for themselves, as we will to. But they know there are those gulliable people that will believe ANYTHING they read.

So Justin, if you every own your own company one day, stick to your formula of dodging complaints. Lets see how long your business lasts.

I find it funny you slander us and say we NEVER answer our phones and there are no voicemail box. You say you called the next two-three days, that was our Christmas Break. There were days that were half days and we were closed.

Another thing I find interesting is you said Mr. Fleming pretty much "freaked out" when he read you were a reporter. Yet, he still offered you the position? I kinda find that hard to believe if he was "shaken in his boots" about a examiner, I mean reporter.

Address? Go to our website. Phone? Give us a call, I guarantee, someone will answer and if they don't, there will be a voicemail box.


Sarah Conway

N/A,
Missouri,
U.S.A.

Reporter?

#17UPDATE Employee

Tue, February 10, 2009

To everyone that reads this report, do not put much stock into this "reporter" claim. His name is Justin Gibson. He had an interview back on December 18 @ 9:30am not 10. He is NOT a reporter. He is a independent sports examiner worker for the St. Louis Examiner and ENTRY LEVEL Editor for the Highland Leader paper that is going out of business. No cameras? Well, through these "fake" cameras that we reviewed, you had on a blue suit, white male, about 5'4, sound right?

And yes, these cameras do show everything. Mr. Fleming's eyes didn't grow big. Why would it? First off, your not a real reporter. What reporter posts on here? Number 2, he nor any of us are doing anything wrong so why would he, as you said, "eyes grew big, fast-talking, became nervous." Now, if he was guilty of something, thats different, but hes not.

Our business is out of your coverage area? I don't believe that one bit. I do believe you when you say you don't have any specifics other than this site. You would be laughed at if you were to write an article off what you read on this site and probably sued.

The client policy stands with everyone. I get clients that ask about other clients and I don't give out that information. You say you have other businesses that "bragg" about their clients? Well, did you ever notice we are not "other businesses?" Were Fleming. We don't do what everyone else does.

Its just like, some businesses do criminal checks/drug screens? A LOT don't. So does it make those other companies fraud for not doing those screenings?

I love the Fleishman Hillard name dropped. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I read somewhere that their president (in California) was indicted? This report wasn't from UNPROVEN sites, like Ripoff report. It was a PROVEN article. Google "fleishman hillard fraud" and there are numerous articles about this company.

You say it is unprofessional to defend your company? This is why your not a business owner. I'm sure any REAL business owner would agree that you should answer any and all complaints. When you dodge them, wouldn't you agree that that looks abit "fishy?"

Bill Zanker, The Learning Annex, is a billionaire. He wrote a best-seller with Mr. Donald Trump. Type The Learning Annex name on here, and there are quite a few reports about this company. Shockingly, they have been answered. Now, The Learning Annex will let their work speak for themselves, as we will to. But they know there are those gulliable people that will believe ANYTHING they read.

So Justin, if you every own your own company one day, stick to your formula of dodging complaints. Lets see how long your business lasts.

I find it funny you slander us and say we NEVER answer our phones and there are no voicemail box. You say you called the next two-three days, that was our Christmas Break. There were days that were half days and we were closed.

Another thing I find interesting is you said Mr. Fleming pretty much "freaked out" when he read you were a reporter. Yet, he still offered you the position? I kinda find that hard to believe if he was "shaken in his boots" about a examiner, I mean reporter.

Address? Go to our website. Phone? Give us a call, I guarantee, someone will answer and if they don't, there will be a voicemail box.


Reporter

St. Louis,
Missouri,
U.S.A.

Not exactly Kyle

#17Author of original report

Sun, February 08, 2009

Kyle - couple of things I noticed you are in needing of a correction of:

1 - When I came in for an interview, it was well over a month ago. The secretary there told me she had been there for awhile. She still knew nothing of the company. Trust me, I had plenty of time to hold professional and low-key personal conversation with her, as I waited almost an hour for Fleming to show up late.

2 - I am not an investor reporter, wrong there. And yes, the fact I was a reporter did come up in the interview because it was on my resume. Obviously, because it was on my resume my previous work experience of being a reporter would come up during the interview process. Not to mention, I've never worked for a bank, as you suggest. This blanket statement of absolutely wrong assumption is peculiar.

3 - Yes, during the interview, towards the end to be specific, Mr. Fleming asked me if I had any questions. I asked him a few, one being how many people were employed for the company. He had informed me over 100.

4 - There were no tapes or cameras in the room I was in. I checked it out thoroughly while waiting for Fleming to come back in. This was after waiting almost an hour for him to arrive, as he was very late. Even if there were cameras, I hardly doubt you would have been able to see how big Fleming's eyes got - because trust me, they did.

5 - Maybe you don't give out client info. Maybe it's just a ploy to get out of a challenge because your 'company' is hiding something. I have never had any problems in the past with legitimate companies providing, or you could even say bragging about the companies they have and currently do serve.

6 - I tried calling the phone number McMahon provided me with several times the day after the interview and the following Mon-Wed. There was never any answer by a receptionist, or when I punched in an extension. The only time I ever received an answer was when I called McMahon back on his cell to schedule the initial interview.

Maybe you are a very legitimate business. I don't know. I am just on here to tell people to fully check your 'company' out before they quit an established job for something that could be a scam. I am sure you appreciate that considering there are several other companies that are harming legitimate companies, such as yourself, which you claim. I do find it very odd though, that you made a blanket statement about me being an investment reporter, which is absolutely false. Also that you claim to have me on camera, which I am also certain to be false.

Kyle - can you post the address of the business location with the most employees?


Kyle Jenson

Highland,
Illinois,
U.S.A.

No Subject

#17UPDATE Employee

Sun, February 08, 2009

Thanks to all the commenters for all the interest in The Fleming Organization. I do have a couple of corrections, no fault of the "reporter." Our location on Manchester is for our Field Representitives/ Event Coordinator. They are out on the field throughout the day, our event coordinators are handling events therefore leaving only one or two managers and the receptionist. Secondly, the receptionist currently there is a temp. Our regular receptionist is currently dealing with the death of her father. So that is probably why she wasn't up to speed on company informaton.

After reviewing the tapes of this interview, there was nothing mentioned about this person being a reporter or Mr. Fleming saying we had 100 employees. This persons resume they were a "investor reporter" for a bank. Mr. Fleming eyes didn't "grow big" and he didn't become nervous. He continued to give a professional interview.

As far as clients go, we do not give out our clients information as Mike stated over the phone, via email, during interviews, etc. We have a privacy policy to protect our clients and customers. We would never reveal that information to "applicants" or anyone else for that matter. Why? Number one, they could be a competitor shopping us. Number two, it' not good business practice. It's just like for Human Resources. If a "employer" calls to verify a current or former employee working for us, we wouldn't give that out to just anyone. Why? It's to protect current and former employees information.

I can assure everyone we answer our phones and there is a voicemail box for everyone. I do find it hard to believe how this person contacted us when her interview was this past Friday and we are closed on the weekend? Thats sound fishy to me but nevertheless.

This is how our company handles complaints. We will kindly correct them with the proper information.

As far as locations goes, TMF opens next Monday. Our Illinois location is being moved to downtown Chicago.

If anyone would like more information or has more feedback, feel free to email me at contact@theflemingorgaization.com or post here. I'm always happy to answer questions.

Kyle Jenson

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