Todd Ash, Ash Industries, Advertising and selling, Hydrogen Operated More on scam artist Todd Ash of Tuscon, Arizona Tucson Arizona
I've just read Todd Ash's latest post, above, posting as Billionaire and now pretending to live in Las Vegas. This post seems to be the continuation of my complaint against Todd Ash and advertisingandselling at http://www.ripoffreport.com/reports/0/350/RipOff0350382.htm. I just laughed. What else can you do? I don't own a website and never have. All I did was join Todd Ash's paid to click site, advertisingandselling.net, when I was dabbling in a bit of affiliate marketing. He didn't pay, so I complained, and Ash has come back with a whole heap of nonsense at various sites.
If I did own a website, I certainly wouldn't be running MLMs or any other rip-off programs that Todd Ash seems to know a fair bit about. Where are the 30 people I have allegedly ripped off with one scheme and the 47 through some other scheme? If any of this were true, there would surely be some evidence somewhere (e.g. websites, dates, names, forum posts). As usual, Todd Ash provides no evidence to back up what he says. His stories are a complete fabrication. But this is his style. If someone complains that Todd Ash has ripped them off, he posts as a consumer saying he hasn't been ripped off himself, or he says the complainer has misused the site in some way, or he threatens legal action, or he makes up stories (see, for example, at ripoff report 0350382 mentioned above), where Todd Ash posts as consumers Billionaire and Trident). Todd Ash tried the first three ways but that didn't work so he's now spinning stories about me ripping off a whole bunch of people. He's a joke. I think he's hell-bent on making his fortune from the web and I don't believe it's happening, so he's getting more and more frustrated, especially when people point out that he is a scammer.
In contrast to the complete lack of evidence that I have ripped anyone off on the web (how could there be any evidence? I have no website and no web business), there is plenty of evidence that Todd Ash is ripping people off (see, for example, http://www.ripoffreport.com/reports/0/350/RipOff0350382.htm .
Todd Ash has been saying since mid 2008 that advertisingandselling has been sold, at one stage saying it was sold for $5.5 million and that the sale was covered in Forbes (which it wasn't). I still don't believe it has been sold. If you go to www.whois, you'll find that advertisingandselling.com, .net, etc are now registered under domainsbyproxy.com of 15111 N. Hayden Rd, Scottsdale, Arizona (rather than under Todd Ash's name and address). The way this works is that the owner of a website can have it registered in the name of Domains by Proxy, so that the owner's details aren't made public. I think Todd Ash has simply transferred the registration while retaining ownership. When you Google the Scottsdale address, you come up with all sorts of businesses, including many postings by people who seem to have been ripped off by some of them. It seems that Domains By Proxy could be a bit of a haunt for dodgy businesses and programs. Further, advertisingandselling is still for sale through godaddy for $50,000, with the same blurb of Todd Ash's as before, but with a new end date of 2 April 2009
https://auctions.godaddy.com/trpItemListing.aspx?ci=1136&miid=11837248 (godaddy auction no. 11837248). Earlier he was trying to sell it through eBay for various amounts in the millions. I don't believe anyone in their right mind will buy advertisingandselling for any amount of money - it's a scam and would be worth nothing (see Complaints Board report 127892).
Todd Ash of Tucson, Arizona also runs a thing called Hydrogen Operated (see http://www.hydrogenoperated.com). Whois still includes Todd Ash's details for this one. See http://www.scam.com/showthread.php?t=43258 (scam.com thread 43258) for some interesting comments on the dodgy nature of the product itself; Todd Ash falsely represents himself as a consumer at that site too, as Billionaire and as Dr.HHO.phd. I've had a close look at the site itself and make the following observations:
- When you Google the phone number at the top of the home page (1 877 476 9172), you not only find that website, but also a whole bunch of other sites offering a reverse funnel system free phone consultation with Todd Ash, some of which include his home videos. Thus this business has no separate phone number, but shares one with an MLM related scheme of Ash's.
- Scroll down and you see a photo of a nice factory or workshop. But somehow it doesn't look right. It looks like it's sitting on the back of a platform, with a background of virgin bush that just doesn't look real. The brickwork is fuzzy, yet the business name is quite clear. Also, the camera is not looking at that part of the building front-on but at an angle of perhaps about 45 degrees. The letters of the business name should therefore be much thinner in appearance at this angle. Thus it looks like the name has been added to the picture. The two trees either side of the front door don't look real either; their edges are too sharp and they're a funny unnatural shape. These may have been added in too.
- There is some funny smudgy stuff around the Think Green sign too. 'Think Green' is actually a registered trademark of an organisation called Waste Management (see http://www.thinkgreen.com). Todd Ash might be committing trademark infringement here and may need to check this out.
- The photo just below it, of the inside, shows two large doors next to each other that can only be at the back of the building, but the outside shot doesn't seem to show a way of getting round there; it may have been erased to allow for the bush background. Further the business name on the wall of the inside photo is clearly crooked, running downhill, and the pattern on the wall looks fuzzy around this area. Thus it looks like the name might have been added to this photo too.
- What's more there's no address given for this building, and no address given anywhere on the website. A search of the Arizona Corporation Commission gives two addresses for Hydrogen Operated LLC: a residential one and an agent/physical address. Google Street View shows that the latter is in a busy commercial district in Tucson and is nothing like the website photo, so this must be an agent address. Thus no physical address is given anywhere. It's all quite deceptive. (By the way, Todd Ash is listed as a 'member'.)
- Nor is there a name of a person on this site. 'Todd Ash Inc.' appears near the bottom of the privacy policy page, a name that isn't listed by the Arizona Corporation Commission and he may be using it illegally.
- Most of the purchase agreement is the same as that of the Internet Law Compliance centre, word for word, and I'm checking with them to see that Todd Ash has sought and obtained permission to use it.
- Todd Ash boasts of thousands of customers from over 90 countries (neither of which I can believe; I doubt he has sold more than 1 or 2 of these things). You have to order through Paypal and receive a kit in the mail. The whole thing just doesn't add up. I wonder if Todd Ash just buys these kits from somewhere and onsells them for a profit, all done from the back room at home.
- Despite all this, Todd Ash has had the cheek to register with Honeste Online (see honesteonlinehttp://www.honesteonline.com/members/consumerpage.php?company=2164&link=2834). They obviously don't check things out too well.
Further, the site http://www.toddash.com/wordpress/ includes something called the 10x10x4 Marketing Method. I'd probably avoid it; I certainly wouldn't pay any money. This page also includes a link to Todd Ash's www.advertisingandselling.com and also www.hydrogenoperated.com. The site http://www.toddash.com/ currently advertises a 'State Of The Art Marketing Program That Will Blow The Doors Off Of The Internet Business Industry And Will Crush The Competition!' due to be released on 1 February 2009. I would regard this as dodgy but we'll see. Personally, I would steer clear of anything run by Todd Ash. He has proven himself to be a blatant scammer, incorrigible liar, nasty fellow, full of nonsense, and not very bright.
I also suspect Todd Ash might have arranged for a whole pile of spam emails to be sent my way and I'm investigating this. (These come straight into my antispam folder, so they don't get in the way at all and are quick and easy to delete.)
I look forward to the next hilarious post from Todd Ash. But before he posts again, he should perhaps keep in mind that he is the one trying to make a living from the web; I'm not. His crazy posts make no difference to me. Todd, get yourself a proper job!
Chris
Chrispy52
Brisbane
Australia
2 Updates & Rebuttals
Chrispy52
Brisbane,Australia,
Australia
More on Todd Ash of Tucson, Arizona and his scams, fraud, slander, spamming, stalking, etc.
#3Author of original report
Fri, February 06, 2009
Todd (i.e. Billionaire),
You need to reread my posts in response to your posts at various web pages.
As I've said many times, I'm not worried about the $84. I'm pursuing this issue because of the blatant lies you told the Better Business Bureau (BBB) (an organisation I realise you have scant regard for) when I first reported your www.advertisingandselling.net scam, and because of your continual fraudulent posts at this site and elsewhere. I know you're angry I've exposed your scams (as you know, plenty of others have done the same), but this wouldn't have happened if you had told a few truths. Had you told BBB that you're having a cash flow problem or something, rather than accusing me of various things, I probably never would have taken it any further and wouldn't have bothered posting about your scams.
There's no stalking on my part (exposing scams is hardly stalking). The only reason I continue to pursue the issue is due to your fraudulent, slanderous stories and other nonsense in various posts. Am I supposed to just cop this, and if not I'm accused of an offence? Nice try Todd. What you're doing seems to be stalking though. A person, me, is allowed to report a scam without being subject to a string of fraudulent, slanderous, and threatening statements persistently being published by the scammer, Todd Ash - this would be stalking. You have concocted some amazing stories, and of course none of them ever include any evidence. Re your latest allegations against me: "making phone calls, looking into people private business,abusing the whois database", you really seem to be running out of tall stories. There's no "B.S." in my posts - go to the sites I mention above and elsewhere and you will see. Unlike your posts, I include evidence in mine. "Magazines" I mentioned? Are you referring to your concocted story about a Forbes article on advertisingandselling being sold from a few months back?
All that's happening now is that there are more and more adverse web pages on you. Google "Todd Ash" or advertisingandselling or hydrogenoperated or "hydrogen operated", and you'll see what I mean. Google my name and you'll struggle to find anything adverse on me.
Before you post further fraudulent, slanderous statements, you need to check the Ripoff Report site Terms of Service, which says at no. 2 - Online Conduct:
"You agree that:
You are solely responsible for the content or information you publish or display (hereinafter, "post") on ROR.
You will NOT post on ROR any defamatory, inaccurate, abusive, obscene, profane, offensive, threatening, harassing, racially offensive, or illegal material, or any material that infringes or violates another party's rights (including, but not limited to, intellectual property rights, and rights of privacy and publicity). You will use ROR in a manner consistent with any and all applicable laws and regulations. By posting information on ROR, you warrant and represent that the information is truthful and accurate."
Your posts are certainly not truthful or accurate; they are defamatory, inaccurate, abusive, offensive, threatening and harassing (all words used in the ROR TOS).
Also, when you post, you click a box to say "I attest this report is valid". Your posts are far from valid.
You should also note http://www.ripoffreport.com/thankyou.asp, which says "... you MUST be sure to use this website for the purposes it was intended -- to spread the whole truth and nothing but the truth. Making false statements about other people and businesses is wrong, it is unlawful, and it is prohibited by the Rip-off Report Terms of Service. If you break these rules, you can face significant liability and Rip-off Report can't and won't protect you if you make statements on this site which are defamatory." You should read the rest of that web page too.
I see you have started arranging to spam me again with malicious intent, creating FFA links, ad postings, etc. At least you seem to have cut down on the fraudulent messages. Of 20 of these emails that came through the other day, 16 need the receiver to click on a link to activate the ad/link. More have come through in the last couple of days but have now pretty much dried up again. I have simply deleted my email address from a number of them - quite quick and simple. I've written to a number of them explaining that you are arranging to put me on lists etc as payback for exposing your scams; I named advertisingandselling and hydrogenoperated; I also mentioned www.toddash.com and your email address. Perhaps they will contact you, and hopefully ban you. Why do you waste your time?
I see your alter ego (Billionaire) has suddenly raced back to Tucson, Arizona, from Las Vegas.
chrispy52
Billionaire
Tucson,Arizona,
U.S.A.
Chris Pearce Of Brisbane Australia ! The Internet Stalker !
#3Consumer Comment
Tue, January 27, 2009
Chris Pearce ,
Chris Pearce,You are a big fat liar and you are still raving over something that happened over 3 years ago,if it even happened at all. You are a raving lunatic. Someone must have hired you to keep the B.S. flying, what other reason could you possibly have.
Your capacity to keep whipping a dead horse amuses me.
So $80.00 and 3 years later,what has this done for you other than the obvious. You my friend are an Internet Stalker.
Chris Pearce Of Brisbane Australia is An Internet Stalker, if only your friends could see you at your best.I can only imagine what else you are doing online late at night you little scamp.
Keep Up the great work of informing the public because you are getting so much atttention !
The end of this is drawing to a close and all of your time posting and investigating,making phone calls, looking into people private business,abusing the whois database will have been a bigger waste of time than it has been already !
AdvertisingandSelling,Todd Ash and all of his associates will have won the battle and the war ! You will still be nothing !
Enjoy your 9-5 job. Maybe in a few years when you retire they will give you a shiny gold watch and a nice pat on the back for a job well done.
Good luck with your book ! I don't imagine we will be seeing it on the Best Sellers list anytime soon.
Let us now when AdvertisingandSelling and Todd Ash get the reviews in the magazines you mentioned !
B.