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Complaint Review: Uncle Howard's Barns

Uncle Howard's Barns Howard Horton, dishonest, unreliable, scam artist and crook Rochester Washington

  • Reported By:
    Olympia Washington
  • Submitted:
    Thu, May 14, 2009
  • Updated:
    Thu, July 16, 2009
  • Uncle Howard's Barns
    Sales@UncleHowards.com
    Rochester, Washington
    U.S.A.
  • Phone:
    866-6622767
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I not only saw plenty of clients of "Uncle Howard," aka Howard Horton, get taken advantage of, ripped off, not provided what they were promised WHEN they said they would get it, but I also saw people who worked for him as well as people who invested money with him get ripped off and taken advantage of as well. If you have been taken advantage of by Howard Horton, check with your local lumber yards in the Lacey and Yelm areas as I have heard there is a class action suit against him.
Where do I start? I guess I will start with the customers.

I have seen many customers get promises of barn completion dates, accessory delivery dates etc., and then watched Howard take that particular customer's payments to start a different customer's barn project. The reason your barn will never be finished on time is Howard's extremely poor business practices do not match his engineering intelligence, and that his morality, integrity, reliability and honesty fall even further down the chart if that is even possible. He will push you to do a "barn raising." DO NOT DO THIS!!! IF you do choose this option, Howard is only liable to provide you with a foreman to lead you, your family and friends for three days, or whatever your contract states, to build THE SHELL of your barn, not the entire thing. In addition, Howard is not liable should someone get injured on the job, the homeowner is!!! Research this very issue of workers getting injured on your job!!!..., it could cost you everything!

As far as what I have seen in regards to people investing in or agreeing to build Howard's Barns and purchase his accessories, Howard will make all kinds of promises and never keep them. I saw him offer to pay half of the advertising that certain people selling his packages paid for, and saw him never give them a dime. I saw accessory packages not get to the clients job site until months after they were suppose to be there, and in one MAJOR case, they never got their at all even though they had been paid for in full. And don't try to call Howard if he owes you money or accessories that you have already paid for, because you will be lucky to get ahold of him if he owes you anything. The only way I saw it accomplished was calling from different phone numbers that he wouldn't recognize. Even then all you will get are empty promises, song and dance, and a bunch of lies. In the end he will end up showing what I believe to be his bi-polar side, and it will be your fault according to him, not his. Though his story about his business in Alaska differs from what I believe actually happened there..., his story is he built better more cost efficient housing than anyone else could, he then sold out to a big company with said company being liable to pay the taxes according to Howard, but somehow big company managed to leave poor Howard to pay the taxes, and Howard moved to Washington state to build again. I think he pulled the same crap in Alaska that he is pulling here in Washington and they ran his old lying "donkey" out of their state. There is so much more to tell, if you have questions I will be only too happy to answer. You may email me at 91delta@live.com and I will respond. It is fair to say that the only times Howard will be there and on time is if he is coming to take money from you.

As far as his employees go, I have seen firsthand how his employees do not get paid on time due to know fault of their own, but due to Hoards complete lack of common sense relating to his business. What it all boils down to is that it does not matter if you are a customer, business partner or employee, Howard always comes first and if that means you get shorted, then that is perfectly fine with him. I guess his possible bipolar condition allows him to be okay with it, and at the same time make it YOUR fault. Anyway, I have seen employees not get paid on time, (I am talking about weeks late here), and then all of a sudden it becomes impossible to get ahold of "Uncle Howard." When you do finally get ahold of him by using an unrecognizable phone number, he might tell you something like, "The accountant has the checks. Talk with him." However when you do this, he says Howard is handing the checks out. So then again, Howard becomes unreachable. You finally do get ahold of him and he says his wife has the checks and will be at the farm to give them to you At your wits end, you might drive out to Howard's farm in Rochester to get your check which you should have got two weeks prior, and at knocking on the door for several minutes you realize no one is home. An employee there approaches you and with a knowing smile says, "Howard must owe you money," to which you reply, "Yeah he does, where is his wife? She is suppose to give me my check!" Emloyee replies, "She went to Olympia to Costco..." Funny thing is Howard knew that is where I was coming from to get my check.
Think twice before getting involved with Howard Horton in any way, shape, or form, unless you are a counselor specializing in bipolar, or other personality disorders.

Justavet
Olympia, Washington
U.S.A.

1 Updates & Rebuttals


Uncle Howard's Barns

Rochester,
Washington,
U.S.A.

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#2REBUTTAL Owner of company

Thu, July 16, 2009

This post is from a disgruntled person who was a part of his family's unsuccessful barn assembly company 5 years ago. The family did quality work, and without his antics, they might have succeeded.

His reference to assembly crew failures do not relate in any way to Uncle Howard's. Let me be very clear. Uncle Howard's sells but does not assemble kits. This work is done by home owners and contractors. Most homeowners and builders manage to get their projects done in a timely fashion. Again, Uncle Howard's does not promise dates. There are too many variables to do that. We do promise to do our best to meet the homeowner's "hoped for" delivery date.

Yes, I did develop an energy efficient packaged home company in Alaska that was used for HUD housing some years back. That company was purchased by an Alaska Native Regional corporation. I signed a three year non-compete agreement and started building barns. And yes, we are still providing barns, cabins and packaged homes in Alaska. Yes, I did complain about the tax bill. Of course, I still wound up having to pay it.

Let me clarify barn raisings. Uncle Howard's does not employ barn raisers. We associate with companies that do. Most of them do an outstanding job. The purpose is to get the barn frame up rapidly and accurately. Uncle Howard's takes pride in our kit designs that facilitate rapid assembly. And, yes, not every project goes smoothly. Uncle Howard's does amazingly well considering that each building is customized. We take on the difficult designs, drafting, difficult engineering, change orders, high wind loads, high snow loads, large spans, purchasing, packaging, and shipping. We tackle the hardest projects.

Over 38 years, I have made many mistakes. Some more than once. Uncle Howard's is learning and improving every day. Most jobs go well, but not all. Of course our lives would be easier if customers didn't make changes and allowed more time for completion of their project. Many things are out of our control.

Regarding investors, other than family, there are no investors. Regarding lumber yards, I have continually dealt with the same two lumber yards I deal with today.
Regarding employee treatment, our company is small with 12 employees, half of whom are family members. Most have been with us for several years. Among them are 2 retired teachers, 2 retired state workers, 3 persons with architectural and drafting degrees, 1 minister, and 3 talented wood workers. They definitely do not condone behavior as described by this person.

I hope this person is able to recover from this low place in his life.

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