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University Of Phoenix in it for the money, not your education Southern California Campus Ripoff California
Why does UOP concentrate so much on their advertising? You never see USC or UCLA sending you post cards or on the back of buses. Why? Well because those are REAL schools, accredited and prestiged. UOP is nothing but a business that takes advatage of gulable people.
I decided to find out more information about this "school," so I called the 800 number. An appointment was set for me and I went in a few days later. The Sales Lady (trust me they arent enrollment counselors) said that I absolutely had to enroll because the deadline was approaching. She said I could try out one class and if it wasnt for me then I could drop. Well the frst class was a total joke. It was simply an orientation as to how the UOP system works. In a nutshell, we learned that from that moment on, our grade was going to depend on our group. I have taken quite a few units at another college, and I was suprised to see my classmates who have never attended college in their lives. Everyone is mixed up.
So when I dropped, the Sales lady kept calling me. Telling me I owed a couple of thousand dollars!!! I was shocked. After they took my financial aid money, they still wanted me to pay them? They took about 1,500 dollars from my financial aid, only for one class. Thats just crazy. And to top it off, I cant even transfer those credits over to my current REAL college. They counselor just looked and my and laughed, saying "yeah those UOP students don't know what they got themselves into."
Jenny
La Puente, California
U.S.A.
6 Updates & Rebuttals
Robert
Albuquerque,New Mexico,
U.S.A.
Concerns about Advertising
#7Consumer Suggestion
Sat, September 24, 2005
USC and UCLA don't need to spend money on advertising because their sports program does it for them. How many times have you seen a college basketball game and thought about going to that school because you supported the team yourself?
Since UOP only focuses on certain degree plans and a specific demographic, they need to advertise and use word of mouth.
The first class is the first class in the program. It is required. If you don't like the first class then don't apply to the school. Simple as that exercise your freedom of choice.
I would say 20-35% of your grade will depend on team assignments. I have gotten slackers in my learning teams before and we simply did not give them credit for the work we did. In my first few classes I had to deal with some slackers but as I progressed further into the program, I was grouped with serious minded people like myself that take our classwork seriously.
If you applied for financial aid money and dropped after your first class, then the Department of Education has no reason to gie you the finds to cover the first course. One of the agreements that you sign when you start Financial Aid is that you will complete 12 credits in a 6 month period.
One thing to keep in mind about Financial Aid, it can take up to 90 days to have your money post on your account. If you drop out before the money gets to the school then you are not meeting your obligations. You should at least complete a second class, give some time to let the money post and then drop. This way you will give the Financial Aid the time it needs to kick in.
So with all due respect Jenny, yes you do owe that money. UOP would never have recieved any money from the lender if you did not even make it past the first 90 days. That's great you got yourself into a "REAL" college as you put it. I hope the schedule works out for you and I also hope they are willing to bend DOE rules on Financial Aid for you when UOP would not.
Jennifer
Garland,Texas,
U.S.A.
Info for thought
#7Consumer Comment
Sat, September 10, 2005
I am a current UOP student. I have been there for 3 years. I am graduating in November. I have to admit that there has been some problem with my financial aide counselor and my academic advisor. My counselors have changed at least 4 or 5 times since I started. But in the end I stuck it out and did the work that I had to do to get my degree. There are some people that think that UOP is a degree mill, my problem with that is that I have had to work very hard for my degree. The classes that I have taken have taught me a lot about business. All the courses that I took have helped me to understand the business world better.
I have been going to classes onsite. I have enjoyed my classes and enjoyed the people that I work with. I have set very strict guidelines for my learning team. I make sure that they know that if they do not pull their weight I do not add them to the paper. I was accused by one teacher for plagerism of a power point that I had never seen or heard of. The teacher made a report and that is in my academic folder, I filed a report against that teacher and I taked to the dean about it and got it handled.
I know that there have been some teachers at the school that I have not been overly happy about but that is at any school or college that you attend. As far as the expense, that is up to you. You have to decide if that is something that you are willing to handle. In your first year you have to pay $1000, I think that is what I was told. I was told that it would take me 2 years to finish but it has taken me 3, but that is just part of it. You have to decide if that is something that you want to do.
There are things about this school that have really bothered me and there are things about this school that I love. Its just a matter of personal preference. Everyone is entitled to an opinion. Whether or not we all agree is completely different. I know that the financial and academic counselors have not been the best, but when you deal with the Dean of Students you are able to get a lot of things done and changed.
Lloyd
Belmont,Michigan,
U.S.A.
To simplify the means
#7Consumer Suggestion
Thu, September 08, 2005
For profit or non-profit the education system is the same throughout. Each institution must have a return on investment or they will be out of business. If an institution subsidized by State funding consistently fails to meet operating cost they will be closed down.
Just research all the schools in general education right in your hometown that are closed
Each year the pay rates for education administrators climb, the electric bill climbs, gasoline and natural gas climbs. They climb because society is willing to pay the high price for comfort.
The game of education is based on ability; the student's ability to learn not the institution's effort to teach. I concede there are instructors that present the classroom material very well, but not many. Many students get their grades padded because weak institutions have to justify their declining rates. There are open book test, take home exams, calculators, and computers to make a degree an easy goal to obtain.
These tools turn the tables on education; students now need to display the effort to use the tools; the institutions need the ability to counter act the effort. Each time a university attempts to raise the bar of excellence, students invent methods to get around it. It is the game of success and poverty we play.
The problem is really generated from textbook publishers. They are the ones that dictate the availability of textbooks that institutions use. Publishers do not want students to sell textbook to one another. Students save money by buying used textbooks causing Publishers to lose sales. This cost saving madness must be stopped; the entire education system feeds off the pocketbooks of students and land taxes.
It cost money to change, upgrade, switch, and restructure at the expense of the student. But, institutions must stay on top or they will appear to be second rate.
The bottom line for students is to keep quiet, pay the money, and play the game by anyone's rules. Just remember, it does not hurt to site the source when writing the term paper. It keeps you out of the name blame game institutions like to play.
Lloyd
Belmont,Michigan,
U.S.A.
To simplify the means
#7Consumer Suggestion
Thu, September 08, 2005
For profit or non-profit the education system is the same throughout. Each institution must have a return on investment or they will be out of business. If an institution subsidized by State funding consistently fails to meet operating cost they will be closed down.
Just research all the schools in general education right in your hometown that are closed
Each year the pay rates for education administrators climb, the electric bill climbs, gasoline and natural gas climbs. They climb because society is willing to pay the high price for comfort.
The game of education is based on ability; the student's ability to learn not the institution's effort to teach. I concede there are instructors that present the classroom material very well, but not many. Many students get their grades padded because weak institutions have to justify their declining rates. There are open book test, take home exams, calculators, and computers to make a degree an easy goal to obtain.
These tools turn the tables on education; students now need to display the effort to use the tools; the institutions need the ability to counter act the effort. Each time a university attempts to raise the bar of excellence, students invent methods to get around it. It is the game of success and poverty we play.
The problem is really generated from textbook publishers. They are the ones that dictate the availability of textbooks that institutions use. Publishers do not want students to sell textbook to one another. Students save money by buying used textbooks causing Publishers to lose sales. This cost saving madness must be stopped; the entire education system feeds off the pocketbooks of students and land taxes.
It cost money to change, upgrade, switch, and restructure at the expense of the student. But, institutions must stay on top or they will appear to be second rate.
The bottom line for students is to keep quiet, pay the money, and play the game by anyone's rules. Just remember, it does not hurt to site the source when writing the term paper. It keeps you out of the name blame game institutions like to play.
Timothy
Valparaiso,Indiana,
U.S.A.
Wrong, Lloyd - Did you learn that stuff about all universities being for-profit at UoP?
#7Consumer Comment
Thu, September 08, 2005
I ask because it's wrong. Most universities are either public, which means that they are subsidized by state governments, and generally try to keep income at the bare minimum to meet operating expenses, or they are private non-profit institutions.
UoP and your other advertising institutions are for-profit. This means that, rather than trying to keep income in accordance with operating costs, they are trying to make a return on investments.
They do this by over-charging for a poor quality education. The education is of poor quality because only those instructors willing to work for peanuts are attracted, and peanuts is generally what these institutions pay.
There is a distinct difference. Most UoP students would be better off with a public university education. Their degrees will be more respected, and their debts will be far lower.
Lloyd
Belmont,Michigan,
U.S.A.
All Unversities are business focused
#7Consumer Comment
Wed, September 07, 2005
It does not matter which college or university people wish to attend; they all in the business to make a profit. That is business at its best. Every instructor is there to make a living, the whole education system is a business with no concern if students pass or fail.
That is one reason there is a grading system. Take your best shot, good luck on your studies, sorry you did not graduate, those are the attitudes student are exposed to everyday.
Universities, provide the building, classroom, and parking. Everything else is flexible. Instructors teach what they want, select books that provide the biggest kickback, and hand out grades based on their perception. Education is a game; a game we all have to play to get ahead.
However, there are many MBAs without a job because they are too educated. School systems know that the human race wants to always do better, so providing a means that makes profit is a good bet. The scam is that those with an AAS will make hundreds, BSMs make thousands, and MBAs will make millions. Who was the mask man that came up with that stupidity?
If you Daddy owned the corporation then you would not need an education to be hired.