Complaint Review: Vermillion County IN Child Support Enforcement

Yet you mention a 6 year span when you were on disability and did not pay child support. Being jobless or on disability does not absolve you from the child support debt. The child recieving social security does not absolve you of child support debt. That's what the state wants paid, that 6 years you didn't pay child support.

Also, you constantly quote "86% of divorces are initiated by women" Where do you get your statistics from? Also, where do you get your information on alimony and maintenence from? I don't know a SINGLE divorced couple where there's any sort of alimony. I know a lot of divorcees also.

We will just agree to disagree on the rest, considering its way off topic. I was merely pointing out that freedom of speech does not give you consequence free speech.

Of course they do. Why should the mothers be on the hook to collect child support? If the state left it up to the mothers to find a way to collect the money we would have a worse problem from deadbeat dads. If they KNEW that the state wouldn't enforce it, they just wouldn't pay. Its a no brainer that the state enforces child support.

You miss my point. Why should women get their payments enforced for free while the guys have to pay to even try to enforce visitation?  If divorce was rougher on the women, there would be more families together.

I agree that this is unfair. Its more difficult for a state to enforce visitation than child support though, and it sounds like you got some really bad lawyers. Whether or not you get your visitation does not absolve you from your debt.

Women get away with denying visitation and claim that the guy isnt paying. Visitation is a separate issue also. Do poor married couples have to pay to see their children?

I agree, it should be. The 21 thing is very strange. I've never heard of that before, you might get a lawyer to verify
that for you. Its not that way here in missouri.

That information comes straight from the child supportdivision in Vermillion County. All states used to be that way. Indiana is still a backwards hick state with antiquated divorce laws. At least we agree that it is not fair.

That's pure conjecture on your part. You are saying that the government is actively encouraging divorce? I'm not sure how divorce is rewarding the mother. That mother has to raise their child alone now, while paying the bills and working their job. Its extremely difficult to be a single parent. Lawyers exist to profit off of misfortune in any industry.

That's a different issue altogether.

86% of all divorces are initiated by the woman. They are automatically awarded the house, car and kids in nearly all cases. Even though they are just as able to work, they are also awarded alimony or maintenance payments and the guy gets stuck paying he legal fees too. Been there, done that myself.  It is a cash cow for the ladies.

They ARE paying more of the cost of support. They have the time they spend everyday caring for the child. All the child care expenses, food, etc. Can you document that mothers are actually paying less to care for their child? Since you didnt pay your child support, the mother in your case clearly paid more of the cost of support than you did.

You are hung up on this notion that I didnt pay support. I paid what I owed and now Indiana is trying to ignore the law and give her more because I have been so outspoken against their system. You refer to all men as deadbeats. I guess that means that all women are scamming hos.

How do you punish for parental alienation? Let's discuss your whole series of posts. You are on here screaming about your free speech, correct? Well guess what, the mother has free speech also and they can tell their children whatever garbage they want to tell them. What are you going to throw them in jail for? The mother clearly doesn't like the father or they would still be together. Do you expect her to be happy and cheery about dad all the time? What do you propose as a "punishment" for parental alienation. Assuming you could even prove that it occured. Nevermind that you would have a rough time passing any sort of law because of freedom of speech.

Anytime I got to see Eric (which was d**n little), I never allowed his mother to be talked down in his presence. Eric s an adult now and I remained silent about the things that his mother did until now. Even though I can back it up with the truth, children dont need to know everything until they are adults. Truth is a defense to libel and slander and I can back up everything that I say.  Even so, it is abusive to a child to fill them with lies and fear in order to turn them against their father. Women are not the bastions of all wisdom, and I made far better parenting judgments then she did.  You cant really judge me fairly until you read the book when it comes out. In the book, you will see my faults and shortcomings listed in detail also. That is responsible journalism. You might even realize that I am human and have feelings like every other father.

As a sidebar, I think that whichever parent is willing to raise the children without seeking money from the other parent should be deemed to be the better parent and get custody. It would stop the kids from being pawns for revenge or financial gain.

1.  Mothers in Indiana do not have to pay anything to enforce child support. the state uses our tax dollars to enforce it through a bureaucracy.

Of course they do. Why should the mothers be on the hook to collect child support? If the state left it up to the mothers to find a way to collect the money we would have a worse problem from deadbeat dads. If they KNEW that the state wouldn't enforce it, they just wouldn't pay. Its a no brainer that the state enforces child support.

2. Fathers have no agency to enforce their visitation rights. They have to pay out of pocket for a lawyer to go to court multiple times. In most cases, the mother is not punished for interfering with visitation. I had two different lawyers and they acted like they didn't want to mess with it.

I agree that this is unfair. Its more difficult for a state to enforce visitation than child support though, and it sounds like you got some really bad lawyers. Whether or not you get your visitation does not absolve you from your debt.


3.  Indiana wants to collect support for boys until the age of 21. For girls, it is 18. Are they saying that girls should find a husband at 18? 18 is the age of adulthood. It should be the same across the board. Equal rights you know.

I agree, it should be. The 21 thing is very strange. I've never heard of that before, you might get a lawyer to verify that for you. Its not that way here in missouri.

4. Children of married parents are not guaranteed a means of support past the age of 18. The system is designed to encourage and reward the mothers for divorce so that the state and legal establishment can profit from it.

That's pure conjecture on your part. You are saying that the government is actively encouraging divorce? I'm not sure how divorce is rewarding the mother. That mother has to raise their child alone now, while paying the bills and working their job. Its extremely difficult to be a single parent. Lawyers exist to profit off of misfortune in any industry. That's a different issue altogether.

5. Since the mothers get custody of the children, and the fathers just get to "visit" their kids, the mothers should be required to pay more of the cost of support, since they enjoy the biggest benefits.

They ARE paying more of the cost of support. They have the time they spend everyday caring for the child. All the child care expenses, food, etc. Can you document that mothers are actually paying less to care for their child? Since you didnt pay your child support, the mother in your case clearly paid more of the cost of support than you did.

6.  There are currently no laws to punish mothers who engage in the practice of parental alienation. According to the Indiana Civil Rights Council, at least 50% of divorce children have been poisoned against their fathers by the mothers

How do you punish for parental alienation? Let's discuss your whole series of posts. You are on here screaming about your free speech, correct? Well guess what, the mother has free speech also and they can tell their children whatever garbage they want to tell them. What are you going to throw them in jail for? The mother clearly doesn't like the father or they would still be together. Do you expect her to be happy and cheery about dad all the time? What do you propose as a "punishment" for parental alienation. Assuming you could even prove that it occured. Nevermind that you would have a rough time passing any sort of law because of freedom of speech.

Chemist for the food industry? No wonder the food supply is going to hell in a hand basket. All jokes aside, I must say that I admire your spirit. I collected disability benefits because I had worked and paid in since the age of 14. I went back to work as soon as possible because I didn't want to be on something that paid me for a month what I could make in one week working. There are some things that you need to consider.

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Mothers in Indiana do not have to pay anything to enforce child support. the state uses our tax dollars to enforce it through a bureaucracy.

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Fathers have no agency to enforce their visitation rights. They have to pay out of pocket for a lawyer to go to court multiple times. In most cases, the mother is not punished for interfering with visitation. I had two different lawyers and they acted like they didn't want to mess with it.

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Indiana wants to collect support for boys until the age of 21. For girls, it is 18. Are they saying that girls should find a husband at 18? 18 is the age of adulthood. It should be the same across the board. Equal rights you know.

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Children of married parents are not guaranteed a means of support past the age of 18. The system is designed to encourage and reward the mothers for divorce so that the state and legal establishment can profit from it.

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Since the mothers get custody of the children, and the fathers just get to "visit" their kids, the mothers should be required to pay more of the cost of support, since they enjoy the biggest benefits.

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There are currently no laws to punish mothers who engage in the practice of parental alienation. According to the Indiana Civil Rights Council, at least 50% of divorce children have been poisoned against their fathers by the mothers.

I'm a chemist in food manufacturing, and I take care of my own children.

WHo is mooching of the government? Oh that would be YOU. You had disability for 6 years and let the government take care of your kids with social security checks while you paid no child support. Thats' *6* years you didn't pay any child support by your own admission. 

If you don't owe what they say you owe, then why don't you hire a lawyer and dispute it? never mind that its been so long that you probably can't. Of course, a deadbeat like you couldn't afford a lawyer in the first place.

Get a job Ashley and quit living off of men. I don't mind paying, but I don't owe what they say I do. They also owe me for non enforced visitation. You call me a deadbeat, but there is a name for mooching mammas like you and it rhymes with runt.

I'm not threatening you. I don't even know who you are. I'm simply informing you that you are incorrect about the first amendment. It doesn't give you the right to unfettered, unrestricted speech with no consquences or reprecussions. You need to think about the situation you are in and think about how you are making the whole thing worse by dragging your dirty laundry around the internet.

To me you're just another deadbeat dad that didn't pay your child support. You deserve whatever you get from it.

"You will soon see that the government does not take too kindly on being harassed publicly like this." Seems awful funny that someone from Springfield is now threatening me. If you are threatening me then say so.

"" The first amendment guarantees us the right to speak out against wrongdoing without fear of repercussions. Many positive changes have come about because of whistle blowers. Where would we be if Bob Woodward had not exposed Watergate, or the Pentagon papers had been stifled due to fear of retaliation? I can name hundreds of instances where people spoke out against government malfeasance. In this election year, I can point to many cases of people being critical of candidates and their pats records. That is why we have a bill of rights. ""

The first amendment does NOT gauruntee us the right to speak out against wrongdoing without fear of repercussions. Its simply gives you the freedom of speech. There are separate laws that protect you speech from reprecussions in certain instances. You absolutely CAN speak out against government malfeasance, but expect to pay the consquences for doing so. You could lose your job. You could fine slander lawsuits. You could face being decredited and smeared in a public arena. You could face civil court cases. In your particular instance, they could step up their collection of your child support.

We do have the right to free speech in this country, but we do not have the right to speech without repercussions. If you went up to your boss at work and told him he was a jerk, he can fire you on the spot. You had your freedom of speech protected, you can do it, but the consquence is losing your job. When you refer to whistleblowers, that is recent legislation designed to specifically protect whistleblowers from repercussions. You are not a whistleblower though. You are not employed by the state's department of family services and that law does not protect you. If you think you can just speak your mind without fear of repercussions, then continue to do so. I'll laugh when they throw you in jail for non-compliance of your child support orders.

You stated " Unlike child support, where the state enforces everything at no cost to the mother, I only had the option of paying for an attorney and going to court to enforce visitation. "

No cost to the mother?? Really? My ex hasn't paid support in 4 years and I had to hire an attorney . My daughter is owed that money from the deadbeat. The state hasn't done anything and they won't without a court order. Now with that being said have you read your divorce decree? Mine states that he has to pay until she is 24 if shes in college. Yet he still hasn't paid a dime. I understand that maybe you feel "cheated" but in your divorce decree if it states you have visitation then you just had to call your lawyer and tell them she is in violation, they in turn are supposed to talk to the judge and get a court order to have a warrant put out on her. I ,unfortunately  , didn't have that luxury because the judge when to high school with my ex husbands father. Most do not read the divorce decree, I know for a fact my ex didn't.

Anyway why don't you read the divorce decree, see what it states, if you have visitation then you call your lawyer and get him to file a motion to find her in contempt. The judge doesn't care if they are religious or not (even though you have painted them to be a bunch of nuts).

It does cost "mothers" money. It has cost me a nice chunk. Deadbeats are everywhere. And just for future reference the kids don't care if your on disability.Its not your childs fault that you are on it or not, you made the child you have to pay. Period.

The first amendment guarantees us the right to speak out against wrongdoing without fear of repercussions. Many positive changes have come about because of whistle blowers. Where would we be if Bob Woodward had not exposed Watergate, or the Pentagon papers had been stifled due to fear of retaliation? I can name hundreds of instances where people spoke out against government malfeasance. In this election year, I can point to many cases of people being critical of candidates and their pats records. That is why we have a bill of rights.

" Whether vermillion County likes it or not, any American has a right to publish their experiences, criticisms and opinions regarding the government or officials therein.  There are many cases of first amendment rights being upheld by the high courts. "


You absolutely do have the right to speak your mind, but remember you also have to face the consequences of doing so. If you walked up to your boss and unloaded on him you would expect to get fired, correct? Freedom of speech does not absolve you of the consequences of your words. You will soon see that the government does not take too kindly on being harassed publicly like this.

The image is not showing up real well so I attempted to upload another copy at higher resolution. The high resolution file is too large for this site so I included a transcript of the letter. I have the original on file. The following is a transcript of the letter:

"The enclosed internet rant was brought to my attention by Detective Michael Phelps with the Vermillion County Sherrif's department. Since you did not have the decency to sign your full name I told him who you are. He apparently knows you as does our Prosecuting Aukerman. What you are doing is cyper harassment of a public employee acting in the capacity of performing their job. Just thought you should know".

I have left the spelling, punctuation and grammatical errors just as they appear on the letter.

It is also worth noting that the officials in Vermillion County copied the original post. The terms of service forbid making copies of any material contained on this site without the written consent of Ripoff Report.com.

Today I received the attached letter from Genene Greenwell at the child support division. As you can see from the letter, the officials in Vermilliopn county are taking a threatening and offensive posture. Indiana has demonstrated to me on many occasions that they have a disdain for the federal, and even their own constitution. The letter mentions that the prosecutor and detective know me. Whats your first clue Sherlock? I went to school with them. I have known them both since grade school. I have known Bruce Aukermans father since childhood and hold both of them in high regard.  The attempt to make it look like I have had contact to the problematic level with the police department is a hollow failure. There is an interesting update to the original post. The Indiana legislature is in the process of considering a bill that would outlaw nepotism in local governments. Additionally, it is my understanding that ripoff report does not allow people to post their entire name or location on here, as was referenced in the letter.

My response to this letter is as follows: Whether vermillion County likes it or not, any American has a right to publish their experiences, criticisms and opinions regarding the government or officials therein.  There are many cases of first amendment rights being upheld by the high courts. I see this as an attempt to try to steamroll me with threats of expensive legal action against me in retaliation for putting into print what everybody has been saying for years. I WILL NOT be intimidated by threats of enforcing some obscure law that is unconstitutional as it is. The public has a right to know how fathers are treated in both Vermillion County and Indiana.

All of you involved in trying to silence me should know that if you continue to stop me from reporting, editorializing or investigating, that it can very well cost Vermillion County tens of thousands or more. There are hundreds of well funded organizations willing to jump in to protect first amendment rights. I would further caution against taking retaliatory action against me with regards top my child support case. I have a right to have the amount claimed adjusted as mentioned in the original post. Although, I do not expect a fair hearing there since I have ruffled some feathers.

I am not the first person to bring out the corrupt practices of Vermillion County. I recall an occasion where the prosecutor and his father went up against Vermillion County over an attempt to put a landfill in. They pointed out some of the shady dealing that was being done. My divorce attorney used to joke with me and my grandmother about Vermillion County "Only in vermillion County" was one of his favorite lines. As mentioned in the original post, I am writing a book about the entire system of divorce and revenge in Indiana. This incident has inspired me to add a chapter on government malfeasance. You will read of a County Clerk going to prison for stealing bond money from a defendant, $80,000+ grants paid by the army for "studies" that were never published, and a law enforcement official dieing in prison while serving 25 years for child exploitation. I have remained silent for too many years and I call on other fathers to rise up against this corrupt system.