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FW: cc:MONEYFRESH333 Important Message From Clickcash (was Re: ClickCash Account {cc:MONEYFRESH3
From: otis redmon (otis***)(((REDACTED FOR SECURITY PURPOSES))))))
Sent: Wed 9/19/07 12:04 PM
To: support@clickcash.com
From: otis***
To: otis***
Subject: RE: {cc:MONEYFRESH333} Important Message From Clickcash (was Re: ClickCash Account {cc:MONEYFRESH3
Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 11:51:55 -0400
before i file i would like to know if you are going to pay me for all the work I did do. If not fine,I will pursue in other ways. I did not violate terms and am highly pi**ed. If some one wanted to sell webcams too once they check out the site its not my FAULT. Thats the whole point is to gain 10% of everyone elses work. Thats not an incentive its an opportunity! So are you going to cut my check then i will just promote other adult sites or am i gonna have to make things harder for the both of us.
And you ban me because my hits came from the freelunchroom is appalling. These people knew to check out offers they all only genuinely interested in because its in the forums terms. so any one signing up had real interest. Then once they sign up I tell them they can promote ifriends also why not this is not against the TERMS.
WHERES MY MONEY!!
From: otis****
To: support@clickcash.com
Subject: RE: {cc:MONEYFRESH333} Important Message From Clickcash (was Re: ClickCash Account {cc:MONEYFRESH3
Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 10:10:15 -0400
After they signed up for ifriends I would ask them if they liked the sites that they could sell these same webcams and make 40$ a referral and that was after they signed up for ifriends only so I was promoting the adult webcams. There is nothing that says I cant sign up affiliates in the t-o-s. Also I did what the administrator in your own clickcashforum.com whom advised my methods I could do; and he's from clickcash.
This is scandalous.I tried to be all the way legit. People knew it was an adult webcam sight and when they signed up if they liked the webcam sites they could then sell these same websites. That is not spam nor incentive if i say check out these free webcams some are adult some are pg but if you like them you can join me and my affiliates and sell them toooooooo.!!!
Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 09:45:40 -0400
To: otis***
From: support@clickcash.com
Subject: RE: {cc:MONEYFRESH333} Important Message From Clickcash (was Re: ClickCash Account {cc:MONEYFRESH3
Thank you for your response.
You say, "everyone i signed up also signed up as an affiliate under me". Why did they sign up for iFriends and then sign up as an affiliate? Keep in mind that offering any incentive to sign up for iFriends is a direct infringement of the T & C. Please refer to the T & C, specifically section 5 for more clarification: clickcash.com/new/agreement.htm.
Also keep in mind that the affiliate who referred you to the Clickcash program has also been terminated. We were advised by several other downstream referrals they were using the same tactics you were using through the site: www.freelunchroom.com/. Our review of your account shows that the bulk of your click-throughs come from that URL.
Again, wishing you the best luck in future webmaster endeavors.
Clickcash Support Team
support@clickcash.com
At 09:26 AM 9/19/2007, you wrote:
This is a lie i have never misrepresented the program I always promoted the site as a free webcam site what are you talking about how can you lie to me everyone i signed up also signed up as an affiliate under me and i hav all their emails and non of them has complained
The first thing i told them is that it was an adult webcam site u are LYING! I will file a lawsuit today.
Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 09:15:27 -0400
To: otis***
From: support@clickcash.com
Subject: {cc:MONEYFRESH333} Important Message From Clickcash (was Re: ClickCash Account {cc:MONEYFRESH333})
Dear Former ClickCash Affiliate:
Clickcash periodically reviews affiliate accounts to ensure that all traffic complies with the Clickcash Marketing Agreement ( clickcash.com/new/agreement.htm). You agreed to promote Clickcash and Clickcash-affiliated sites in ways consistent with the policies put forth in this agreement at sign-up.
In reviewing your traffic, we have observed that some of the methods you are currently employing to market either the Clickcash program or the iFriends service violate several aspects of the T&C. These methods appear to not only misrepresent the service to your traffic but fall under the definition of "unethical marketing practices" as defined in the T&C. Specifically, please refer to Section 5, "No Spam/UCE/Unethical Marketing Practices", and Section 7, part VII, "Misrepresentations and Infringements" for further details.
Due to the violations observed in the methods you have been utilizing to market Clickcash/iFriends, your account has been terminated, pursuant to the T&C. Based on the misrepresentation, several of the cardholders of accounts established under your Clickcash account have contacted our abuse department, indicating that they were misled by your marketing tactics. The Clickcash Abuse department has determined that these accounts were not set up legitimately, due to the misrepresentation used in your marketing. While ClickCash always pays for legitimate, validated sign-ups which are the result of legitimate traffic, ClickCash does not pay for sign-ups resulting from marketing tactics which violate the T&C.
We are sorry that the Clickcash program was not compatible with your marketing strategies.Wishing you the best luck in future webmaster endeavors.
Clickcash Support Team
support@clickcash.com
At 08:25 AM 9/19/2007, you wrote:
Was my check mailed out my acct name is moneyfresh333 I did select the fed ex option.i would like to know plz
thank you and sorry to bother[]
Otis
copperas cove, Texas
U.S.A.
5 Updates & Rebuttals
Otis
copperas cove,Texas,
U.S.A.
what scheme and where my money
#6Author of original report
Thu, October 04, 2007
It is not a scheme to talk people into signing up!!!!! i did not post on forums with the ad I left a signature that said ask me about a free webcam site.
Where is my money $$$ And where is this so called proof of me selling to consumers!!!!! Its a lie and you are withholding my funds for false allegations!
Stacy
Lake Worth,Florida,
U.S.A.
Reply from ClickCash
#6UPDATE Employee
Thu, October 04, 2007
Otis is not, and never was, a consumer he was a ClickCash marketing affiliate, selling *to* consumers. We require our marketing affiliates to adhere to high standards of conduct, and we make those standards very clear. As stated previously, Otis engaged in unfair and deceptive marketing tactics that violated the ClickCash Terms and Conditions, and he failed to meet the standards that he agreed to uphold. We first provided Otis with the opportunity to rectify his misconduct, and he failed to do so. With clear evidence of his continuing misconduct, we appropriately chose to terminate his account.
In his latest update, Otis says he received information from a website called clickcashforum.com this website is not operated or administered by our company. The only valid information on program standards is found at ClickCash.com. Otis' reliance on third-party information does not negate or excuse the critical fact that he participated in a scheme aimed at misleading consumers.
Otis
copperas cove,Texas,
U.S.A.
RIP-OFF
#6Author of original report
Wed, September 26, 2007
How can you cancel and don't pay me for signing up for an affiliate for someone else it was no scheme I was not misrepresenting at all. The people I signed up were interested in webcams thats why they signed up for the site
and your own clickcash admin said it is ok to post in forums and talk to people to see if they like the program heres the link
http://clickcashforum.com/index.php?topic=25.0
and you do lots of people like this every week. Pay me for my sign-ups these are people i dont even know and talked into signing up to try the website that is by no means violation of terms!!!!!!
Stacy
Lake Worth,Florida,
U.S.A.
ClickCash Reply
#6UPDATE Employee
Wed, September 26, 2007
With the information provided by Otis in his complaint, we located his ClickCash affiliate account. We track all referrals and signups extensively, and we were able to determine that he was introduced to the ClickCash program through message board advertising which violates our Terms and Conditions. The person who introduced Otis to ClickCash was engaged in improper pyramid scheme marketing, which is a violation of the ClickCash Terms and Conditions (http://www.clickcash.com/new/agreement.htm). Individuals were not signing up for the participating site's programs because they were truly interested in the program they signed up through the ad to generate commissions for the affiliate who had improperly placed the message board advertising.
ClickCash's Terms and Conditions clearly state that misrepresentations of the program in any way are a violation of the Terms and Conditions, and can and will result in the immediate termination of the affiliate's account. It also states that if the affiliate crafts custom marketing messages, that these 'must accurately and truthfully represent the materials offered, and may not be false, deceptive, or misleading.' The ad through which Otis signed up violated ClickCash Terms and Conditions in these respects.
When Otis created his ClickCash affiliate account, he advised us that he had read, understood, and agreed to the Terms and Conditions, including the section listed above. By participating in the pyramid marketing scheme described above, he violated the affiliate contractor agreement. Based on the Terms and Conditions violations, Otis' account was cancelled.
While ClickCash is happy to pay out for legitimate customer traffic, Otis still has not provided us with examples of commissions that were legitimately generated by methods that did not violate the Terms and Conditions. Once we receive documentation from Otis validly establishing his strict compliance with the Terms and Conditions, we will be happy to pay him out for any sign-ups that were the result of marketing that did not violate the Terms and Conditions.
Otis
copperas cove,Texas,
U.S.A.
follow-up email conversations( No Phone contact even allowed)
#6Author of original report
Tue, September 25, 2007
This is my response today to the below Delays and no Response from them!
RE: Recent Call to ClickCash {cc:MONEYFRESH333}
From: otis
Sent: Tue 9/25/07 1:03 PM
To: Stacy (stacy@clickcash.com)
Where is my money why are you holding my funds I did nothing wrong all sign-ups are from all over the world my sales model did not violate the terms because I did not offer money but told sign-ups in forums to check out the webcam site and if they liked it which I knew they would because I use it I would tell them how they could sell these same webcams for 40$ a pop. That is not offering money that is how I get them to sign up because they want to know MORE. First about the site first by trying the services;
then how they can sell them if they like the quality They must have an interest because I always noted these were Adult Webcams check them out FREE. just like I-freiends quotes on the FREE registration page!!! Thank you but I worked for my money now GIve Me Mine.
Receipt of your Clickcash agreement {cc:MONEYFRESH333}
From: support@clickcash.com
Sent: Wed 9/12/07 7:35 AM
To: otis
Dear otis,
Thank you for taking the time to fill out the Clickcash Terms & Conditions Marketing Agreement.
Your account has been updated to reflect receipt of this agreement. Any pending stats due on your
account (based on the minimum payout you selected at sign-up) will be released at the end of the
current pay period, according to the regular Clickcash Payout Schedule.
Good Luck !
Clickcash Support Team
support@clickcash.com
RE: Recent Call to ClickCash {cc:MONEYFRESH333}
From: Stacy (stacy@clickcash.com)
Sent: Fri 9/21/07 11:04 AM
To: otis
You have not explained how you generated your traffic. Please do so, and I will provide that information to our AUP Department. However, what you describe below does not correspond with the information we have received from individuals who were introduced to the service by you.
-Stacy
From: otis
Sent: Friday, September 21, 2007 12:53 AM
To: Stacy
Subject: RE: Recent Call to ClickCash {cc:MONEYFRESH333}
i told everyone that it was a free webcam site to check it out and if they liked it i would tell them how yo sell these same webcams for 40$$ a referral ok and also whats up with you saying i never sent in my terms when i clearly did what is gonig on do you guys do this to everone with auto messages every time they are supposed to get paid. I did not pay anyone 15$$ mam so what are you guys complaiing abot i have an escort site that i have used also to get traffic and its not my fault someone referred by me was paying people i didnt have to pay anyone because i told them the site was free like the site also says.
From: stacy@clickcash.com
To: otis
Subject: RE: Recent Call to ClickCash {cc:MONEYFRESH333}
Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 18:41:25 -0400
Otis:
Can you explain, then, how you actually did market the ClickCash/iFriends program? According to the correspondence we have from individuals who were referred by you, the marketing they describe that introduced them to the programs does appear to violate the T&C.
Please note that, due to the nature of the violations, all future contact with ClickCash regarding your account must be via e-mail.
-Stacy
From: otis
Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2007 5:45 PM
To: Stacy
Subject: RE: Recent Call to ClickCash {cc:MONEYFRESH333}
You have me mixed up with some one else mam they may have other people in the freelunchroom that are paying 15$ for a signup but not mine I gave you the link to my pages or it maybe someone in my downline or upline but this was my first week and I wasn't paying money and how can you say I didn't turn in my terms and conditions when you guys already sent me an e-mail that says you got it??? Please get your story straight these is non-sense. I did nothing wrong I will add the email that says you have my t-O-S here it is pasted
Receipt of your Clickcash agreement {cc:MONEYFRESH333}
From: support@clickcash.com
Sent: Wed 9/12/07 7:35 AM
To: otisr
Dear otis,
Thank you for taking the time to fill out the Clickcash Terms & Conditions Marketing Agreement.
Your account has been updated to reflect receipt of this agreement. Any pending stats due on your
account (based on the minimum payout you selected at sign-up) will be released at the end of the
current pay period, according to the regular Clickcash Payout Schedule.
Good Luck !
Clickcash Support Team
support@clickcash.com
Also I did not misrepresent the company everyone I signed up knew it was an adult webcam site so you guys need to check my links they go to my escort
site and I talked people into visiting my site and then they signed up. I told them after if they wanted to sell these same websites sign up under me.
I did not violate at all. Asking people to chec
Dear Mr. ---:
Thank you for your recent call to ClickCash. I am sorry that I was away from my desk and unable to take your call when you attempted to reach me.
In reviewing your account, it appears that it was terminated by our AUP department for being in violation of multiple aspects of the ClickCash T&C (clickcash.com/new/agreement.htm). It appears that your pages:
* Offered users $15 for signing up for iFriends. As the T&C clearly states, you will not offer third parties consideration or incentive (for example, $15) for signing up for the iFriends service (Section 5 of the T&C)
* Implied or Stated that iFriends was linked to Escorting or other means of meeting individuals for sexual experiences. As you know, iFriends chathosts are prohibited from meeting individuals in real life that they have met through iFriends. As such, your marketing was misleading and misrepresented the iFriends service (Section 7, part VII)
* Lacked clear and concise notice that all models appearing on the pages were at least 18 years of age at the time that the images were taken (Section 7, part V)
* Potentially exposed individuals of questionable age, or who were not interested in adult marketing to adult marketing via your usage of message boards/forum discussions (Section 7, part IV)
As such, based on the above violations observed in your marketing, your account has been terminated. No new accounts, established by you or on your behalf, will be honored as valid with any ClickCash or WPI-enabled platform. Regarding your belief that there are commissions due to you, please note that the T&C states (as did the "Welcome" e-mail you received at sign-up) that payouts will be remitted only upon receipt of a signed and completed T&C. To date, we do not have a T&C on file for your account.
Please note that ultimately you are responsible for the marketing that you engaged in with regards to the iFriends/ClickCash program. Our T&C is very clear as to what sort of marketing is and is not allowed. If someone advised you differently, you still advised us at sign-up that you had read and understood the T&C and would adhere to its policies.
If you have any questions, or feel that your marketing did not, in fact, violate the T&C, please feel free to e-mail me with documentation that you have that would contrary to our AUP department's findings. Please note, however, that I will not respond to any e-mails that contain threats or foul language. I will only respond to e-mails that contain constructive dialogue.
Sincerely,
Ms. Stacy Michelle
Director, ClickCash Support
stacy@clickcash.com