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  • Report:  #165017

Complaint Review: Certified Recover Systems - Houston Texas

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- Charlottesville, Virginia,
Submitted:
Updated:

Certified Recover Systems
6161 Savoy, Suite 600 Houston, 77036 Texas, U.S.A.
Phone:
713-335-1300
Web:
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The only thing "certified" about this company is that they are all certified pains in the butt! How is a collection agency going to refuse a payment?

This nightmare started about a month ago. I received a call from my mother saying that Ms. Babin left a message requesting a call back. This was regarding a complaint filed against me.

My mother gave me the contact number and reference number. I called Ms. Babin to see what this was about.

She informed me that she had two collections for United Cash Loans in her office. At first she demanded payment in full by western union. I refused and asked for a payment arrangement.

Then she set me up on an arrangement for 3 payments but there was a $10.00 processing fee an automatic debit. In an attempt to avoid the fee I asked where I could mail a payment.

She informed me that I could not mail in a payment. I asked her what would happen if I had just mailed a payment to their address. She stated that it would be returned because they are not set up to receive payments in the mail.

Since I was at work and really couldn't dispute this issue with her I went ahead and set up payments for $85.00 on 10/31/05, $93.75 11/11/05 and $93.75 11/25/05. I gave Ms. Babin my checking account information and confirmed it with a second representative. The first payment was scheduled for Oct. 31,2005.

Needless to say the payment was never taken from my account. I received a letter dated November 4, 2005 showing that my balance was decreased by $85.00 and the next payment would be taken on 11/11/05. On 11/17/05 I receive a call from Ms. Babin.

She called my house at 4:20pm and my cell phone at 4:21pm. She left a message on both with a call back number and my reference number; and this was "not a solicitation or a sales call";she has a important matter in her office concerning me and will be making a decision on this matter if I wish to have a say and she suggest I pick up the phone and return her call.

When I called her back she informed me that my bank returned the payment because the account I gave them could not be found. I informed her that the account is very much active and I just used it today. I asked her to confirm the account number I gave her and she told me they no longer had it file.

Once the bank returned the payment they deleted the information. I told her they had to have a record of the information but she denied it. She then told me I needed to pay the debt in full plus a $25.00 NSF fee.

I disputed this fee because my account was valid and active. She told me I needed to contact my bank. Then she told me I had 2 days to Western Union the full amount to them.

I refused and she asked me if I had an attorney that I was working with on this issue. I asked to speak to a supervisor and she refused to let me. I then hung up and called my bank.

A representative from my bank said that no checks from this company had attempted to clear my account and nothing had been returned. She also couldn't understand why they had me call my bank and had no longer had a record of my account. I called them back, this time requesting to speak to someone other than Ms. Babin.

Some other woman, sounding like a young girl, answered the phone. She did not identify her name or the company name. I told that I was trying to clear this matter up. She also told me my bank refused the payment.

Then she said they sent me a letter and I was aware of this. The letter was sent out 11/17/05....hello, today! She also demanded payment in full plus the $25.00 NSF. I refused because the check wasn't NSF.

I even told her that I spoke to someone at my bank. After about 15 minutes of getting nowhere I asked to speak to a supervisor. She also refused to let me speak to one.

I asked repeatedly and she refused. She said she wasn't going to waste her supervisors time and they were going to tell me the exact same thing she did. I asked again and she said ," I don't know how you're going to speak to one because I won't let you."

Then she hung up on me. I called back again and another woman answered the phone. She asked for my reference number. I refused to give it to her.

I told her I had been hung up on by the previous rep and demanded to speak to a supervisor. She put me on hold and then came back asking for the number again. I told her I was holding for a supervisor.

She said she was a "senior floor rep". I asked if she was a supervisor and she repeated what she said before. I told her I wanted to speak to a supervisor and she informed me they were in a meeting and asked for my reference number again.

I gave her the number and asked if she could take my name and number and have a supervisor call me back. She told me that they wouldn't call me back and asked what it was in reference to.

I told her the situation and she stood by what the previous two women said. I told her I wasn't paying the fee and she said ,"Find don't pay it and this situation won't be resolved."

I told her I'm not refusing to pay for my debt, which I did incur, just the NSF fee on something that wasn't NSF. She proceeded to get loud with me and told she needed to put it on pause and check her tone. She told me not to disrespect her because I didn't have my sh** together....yes she did curse at me.

I then raised my voice and told her to hold fast. I just kept repeating, "Let me speak to a supervisor." She continued to yell...what, I'm really not sure. Then she too hung up on me.

I started to call back but didn't. I decided to go to the website and report this abuse. No such luck. The website was only set up for payments and a proposal for a payment arrangement.

Instead I have posted my experience here. I also wrote a letter detailing the events and sent a copy to the Better Business Bureau, each address listed for CRSI, the Federal Trade Commission, the Texas State Attorney General's Office and the Houston Newspaper.

I hope they get shut down and put out of jobs. I am not some dumb a** that has no clue of my rights. I a human who fell on hard times and works hard every day to recover. It's not like I was refusing to pay. I was trying to give them money.

I refuse to be treated unfairly and disrepected by some collection company that thinks scare tactics and nasty phone calls will get them a payment. I refuse to take anymore phone calls from this company. I will continue to hang up on them just as they did to me.

Tiffany

Charlottesville, Virginia
U.S.A.


3 Updates & Rebuttals

Larry

Tucson,
Arizona,
U.S.A.
Never pay by Western Union

#2Consumer Suggestion

Sat, November 19, 2005

There were a couple of red flags in this report to question the identity of the collectors. I have never heard of a real collection agency that would refuse a payment by mail. All of the payment methods that the "collector" wanted to use leave no trail of where the money goes. I can send out letters with a return address anywhere in the world and you would not know whether it really is where I am located. If I did not want you to know that my return address is false, I would demand that you pay me by some means other than by mail. The persons calling Tiffany may actually be located in some foreign country. Who knows how they got the information about the debt. Give them your bank account numbers and they will drain your account dry. Your lucky day was when the account numbers got transposed. Never pay anyone you do not personally know by Western Union. Anyone can receive your money anywhere in the world and once they have it you cannot get it back. Anyone who requests payment by Western Union is a scammer. If you have a question about who and where these people are, get their number from the white pages of the phone book and call it. Ask for Ms. Babin by name. That ought to confirm their location.


Pete

Valley View,
Michigan,
U.S.A.
Good information, John

#3Consumer Comment

Fri, November 18, 2005

I hope I never have to use it. But what if Tiffany, herself, unintentionally transposed the numbers of her account? I'm not supporting these low lifes because I've read too much on how they do business. But, it's a possibility, isn't it?


John

Phoenix,
Arizona,
U.S.A.
Understand the rules

#4Consumer Suggestion

Fri, November 18, 2005

You need to understand the nature of the beast. Collection agencies have many files that have to be covered and have to put butts in seats. Unfortunately that means getting idiots to work those files. It is not unusual for checks to be taken over the phone and if fact quite natural because too many times a check gets lost in the mail. What happened is the information routing / checking account given for your checking account was transposed by the recipient. They presented the check with bad information. The bank would not have a record. To reproduce a check in this manner cost nothing. Anyone can do it. For them to charge you is impermissible. The law states that the agency is not allowed to add charges, to the bill. $10.00 for the processing of a check that cost nothing to reproduce is nothing more than adding of charges. Federal and State laws govern third party collectors. The Fair Debt Collection Practices Act (FDCPA) make the rules clear and you can down load the information off the Federal Trade Commissions website. The debt collector had an obligation to send you a notice advising you that you had an opportunity to dispute the validity of the debt. This letter must go out within 5 days of the initial contact. There must also be language in the letter explaining some of your rights. The collector also has an obligation to notify you of some of your rights in their verbal communications, (mini Miranda). The Texas law pretty must mirrors the Federal Law except it requires the collector to fill out a dispute form if requested. A collection agency must have a $10,000.00 bond on file with the Secretary of States Office. The purpose of the bond to for consumers to recover punitive damages from collection agencies. Violations to the FDCPA are up to $1,000.00 for both the agency and the collector. Texas and Harris County have an easy small claims system that will help you file suit if you choose. You may also find that this agency is a member of the American Collectors Association, (ACA). This company will help you by communicating with the agency if you file a complaint. The national office is in Minneapolis. You have both a moral and legal obligation to pay your bill. Pay it directly to the vendor that you owe. The agency will still get their commission. If you file suit also name the vendor because ultimately, while there may be a hold harmless clause between the two parties, they have the obligation to ensure their agent adheres to the law. Additionally the biggest harm you can cause is to alienate the client from the agency. They stand to lose more money if the client refuses to place business with them again. The bottom line is the agency has allowed monkeys to make decisions for them. Monkeys don't understand higher concepts and will argue a mundane point if they don't grasp the concept. The monkey you are dealing with doesn't get that the checking or routing number they reproduced are not the numbers you gave them. Have fun. Pay your bill.

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