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Complaint Review: American Income Life Zophin Agency - Warwick Rhode Island
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American Income Life Zophin Agency
250 Centerville Rd Warwick, 02886 Rhode Island, U.S.A.
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American Income Life, Zophin Agency Ensuring David Zophin's success, not yours Ripoff Warwick Rhode Island - NOTICE: *UPDATE December 1, 2006. Rip-off Report recently discovered that All but 2 Rip-off Reports about The David Zophin Agency were posted by the same person. Including this Report below! Rip-off Report has the evidence. Rip-off Report Investigation: American Income Life / National Income Life join Rip-off Report Corporate Advocacy Business Remediation & Customer Satisfaction Program and submit to independent investigation. American Income Life / National Income Life pledges to resolve all complaints & address issues from the past and in the future
NOTICE: *UPDATE December 1, 2006. Rip-off Report recently discovered that all but 2 Rip-off Reports about The David Zophin Agency of American Income Life were posted by the same person. A competitor no doubt. Rip-off Report has the evidence that shows the same person filed every one of the Reports. Ripoff Report will go after anyone found posting Reports like this. This type of behavior will not be tolerated. Either way, The David Zophin Agency still stands by their comitments made to Rip-off Report. Just like people can file ridiculous and frivolous lawsuits every day, we do realize consumers might try and take advantage using the Internet / Rip-off Report to do the same thing. THE REPORT BELOW IS BOGUS!
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A heads up about American Income Life Insurance Company, Zophin Agency,
The interview process - You are contacted by the "human resources department" from AIL telling you that they came across your resume on Monster.com, they are looking to fill positions in entry level and mid level management, and they are very interested in you sitting down with their "director of operations". You are excited, you set the interview
FACT - the human resources department is actually an agent trying to fill a quota of interviews booked for the week. They don't even look at your resume, a heart beat and a shirt and tie are the only requirements for this position.
FACT - the agent will book a cashier from McDonalds to fill the spot on their interview log. I have actually booked an interview with someone who listed on his resume that his dad fired him from his family painting company because he smoked to many cigarettes during the workday.
Is this is the type of person you want in your home going over life insurance options?
Is this the way to build a solid agency?
FACT - the "director of operations" you will be meeting with is probably the same person you spoke to on the phone, but if you try to find out a little more about the company, they will tell you that "it will be covered in the interview process"
FACT - you show up for the interview and are interviewed by a "manager" who has probably been with the company for a month, but they are wearing a suit, so they must be successful, right?
they feel like you would definately be an asset to the company so they move you along to the next step of the interview process... the GROUP interview.
FACT - they need to put at least 10 people into the group... they have no idea whether or not you would be an asset to their company... you have a tie on and can form a complete sentence without drooling on yourself... that is enough to get you through to the group
The group presentation spits out numbers faster than you can write them down, telling you that 3rd party endorsed leads are supplied to you for FREE, you won't ever have to sell to your family and friends, your contract starts out at 40% of the annual premiums, you will make somewhere between $60,000 and $90,000 in your 1st year... well into 6 figures by your second year. You can't believe what you're hearing... this sounds too good to be true. (hint: if you are a 35 year old working the grill at Wendy's and someone offers you a 6 figure position... it probably IS too good to be true)
FACT - They tell you that the numbers in the group are conservative, but in reality the comissions on most of the products worth selling are somewhere around 25% and you get advanced only 65% of that. Even if it were true, you're bringing home $800 for an 80 hr week. I can make $10 an hour cleaning toilets... and what if you have a bad week and don't sell anything... now you have worked an 80 hr week and made $0... then take into consideration the $ spent on gas, food, etc. Now it actually COSTS you money to work there.
Where do i sign up?
FACT - you CAN sell to your family but you CAN NOT get paid on the business... wait a second, you are selling a product to your own family, (the product HAS to be good if you are going to sell it to your own sister, i can think of a better testemonial than that... but why don't i get paid on it? every other insurance company would have paid me on it) they are paying premiums like everyone else, someone is getting paid on that deal... Hmm, i wonder where that $$ is going?
FACT - find me someone in the agency that is making over $100,000 a year besides David Zophin and i'll eat my words...
You get out of the group and you sit down again 1 on 1 with another manager, they ask you how you feel about the opportunity. You have some questions... but they tell you, "that will be covered in the final interview"
FACT - They are required to get you in and out of that office after the group in 3 minutes. No time for questions... Chances are that the "manager" interviewing you still has questions. You show up for the final interview and you still have questions, but the opportunity seems so great. You accept the position.
I want to know when these questions are answered? certainly not in the interview process, not as a manager in training, not as a Supervising Agent or a General Agent... I guess its on a need to know basis
You are hired and start your training... sorry, UNPAID training.
you need to study for the state test, get your licence, learn the 20 page presentation. (20 page presentation? are you serious? this is such a great product, and the union members know we are coming to their house to talk about insurance, why is there a need for a 20 page presentation? I thought the product sold itself?)
now you have invested about $300 into the company, and have gone a month and a half without pay, but you're ready to go out on your own. Start making the BIG money.
oh, sorry, we don't have enough leads for you, or an area to put you in... you're manager will just tell you that you need more training before you're ready to go out. Or until someone quits and you can get their area.
You FINALLY get your area and your lead pack
FACT - someone was just in that area, and most of the leads have been called 50 times, the ones that havent were born in 1930 and are either uninsurable or like most human beings that have families and arfe between the ages of 50 and 75, have already taken care of their life insurance needs.
Oooh, here's a guy w/ a wife, 70 yrs old with NO life insurance... Well, this is his lucky day.. for JUST $85 a month, you can get him $6,000 in coverage. This product is EASY to sell... because we have the Freedom of Choice... which is a piece of paper with the companies phone number on it... How many other companies out there can offer that?
OK, not ALL of your leads will be old or uninsurable. You will get some good ones... 35 year old fireman with a new house and 2 kids. This is going to be a good appointment. You call him up, set the appointment to bring by the "no-cost" benefits that the union has provided for him.
Now we're going to make money
Show up at the house, sit down at the kitchen table with him and his wife and he asks "OK, so whats this all about?"
HUH?
You mean to tell me that these people dont know we are going there to talk about insurance? OK, this company is starting to sound fishy... but i'm in to deep to quit now... i have to at least break even. I need to talk to my manager and figure out what i'm doing wrong. I mean, he owns 2 suits, so he must be doing something right.
I'm told that i need to get more appointments and recruit, "the real money in this company is in management"
ok, so i put more child safe boxes out, (child safe boxes are free leads, who cares if they have no idea why i'm actually coming to their house?) i fill my days with appointments with single welfare moms with 7 kids and no checking accounts. These are insurance buyers. They HAVE to be, David Zophin said so.
At this point my life is in ruins... I no longer have friends, can't keep a girlfriend for longer than a week when they figure out that i can devote about a half hour a week to them. Havent talked to my family in weeks.....
I just have to keep my eyes on the bigger picture. This is opportunity UNLIMITED... I am going to get rich with this company... nobody understands.
I spend MORE time recruiting... gotta build a team... thats where the money is.
FACT - they are right, thats where the money is, you just dont see it. You basically just need to replace yourself, so Zophin doesn't take too big of a hit when you finally burn out and quit.
OK, i've been with the company for 4 months now and i think i have spent more money than i have made. but i have to stick around for the 6 month kitty check (that extra 35% that was held back on all my sales to date) plus i'm a manager now with a team. This might work out... I'm going to start making money now, i can feel it. AND i have health benefits now.
FACT - if you have 4 people under you writing $2,000 a week, you might see a couple hundred. reality is, that most people in the agency average about $500 a week, so you're seeing MAYBE $100 a week in overrides. BUT, you are required to run appointments with them to see how you can get them to start writing business.
When do i get to run appointments to make money for me?
Hey, wait... they never told me i had to PAY for my health insurance
get my kitty check... wow!!! $600!!! thank god i waited 6 months for a decent weeks paycheck. Well worth it
OK, i see this company is a farce... My credit is destroyed and I can't afford to pay rent. car note is behind and i can't supersize my meals at burger king. I decide to cut my losses and find another job.
My team is redistributed to the other managers... I've replaced myself x4. All my hard work payed off... just not to me
Forget about the deals that i have in the works... or the business i submitted before i left. Money earned? Whats that?
Oh, OK.. money earned for David Zophin. I keep forgetting how this works.
I guess I just didn't do what it took to ensure my success. I couldn't financially weather the storm. It's too bad, because success was JUST around the corner, the opportunity was UNLIMITED. David said so, so it MUST be true.
Bob
Providence, Rhode Island
U.S.A.
Click here to read other Rip Off Reports on American Income Life Insurance
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A heads up about American Income Life Insurance Company, Zophin Agency,
The interview process - You are contacted by the "human resources department" from AIL telling you that they came across your resume on Monster.com, they are looking to fill positions in entry level and mid level management, and they are very interested in you sitting down with their "director of operations". You are excited, you set the interview
FACT - the human resources department is actually an agent trying to fill a quota of interviews booked for the week. They don't even look at your resume, a heart beat and a shirt and tie are the only requirements for this position.
FACT - the agent will book a cashier from McDonalds to fill the spot on their interview log. I have actually booked an interview with someone who listed on his resume that his dad fired him from his family painting company because he smoked to many cigarettes during the workday.
Is this is the type of person you want in your home going over life insurance options?
Is this the way to build a solid agency?
FACT - the "director of operations" you will be meeting with is probably the same person you spoke to on the phone, but if you try to find out a little more about the company, they will tell you that "it will be covered in the interview process"
FACT - you show up for the interview and are interviewed by a "manager" who has probably been with the company for a month, but they are wearing a suit, so they must be successful, right?
they feel like you would definately be an asset to the company so they move you along to the next step of the interview process... the GROUP interview.
FACT - they need to put at least 10 people into the group... they have no idea whether or not you would be an asset to their company... you have a tie on and can form a complete sentence without drooling on yourself... that is enough to get you through to the group
The group presentation spits out numbers faster than you can write them down, telling you that 3rd party endorsed leads are supplied to you for FREE, you won't ever have to sell to your family and friends, your contract starts out at 40% of the annual premiums, you will make somewhere between $60,000 and $90,000 in your 1st year... well into 6 figures by your second year. You can't believe what you're hearing... this sounds too good to be true. (hint: if you are a 35 year old working the grill at Wendy's and someone offers you a 6 figure position... it probably IS too good to be true)
FACT - They tell you that the numbers in the group are conservative, but in reality the comissions on most of the products worth selling are somewhere around 25% and you get advanced only 65% of that. Even if it were true, you're bringing home $800 for an 80 hr week. I can make $10 an hour cleaning toilets... and what if you have a bad week and don't sell anything... now you have worked an 80 hr week and made $0... then take into consideration the $ spent on gas, food, etc. Now it actually COSTS you money to work there.
Where do i sign up?
FACT - you CAN sell to your family but you CAN NOT get paid on the business... wait a second, you are selling a product to your own family, (the product HAS to be good if you are going to sell it to your own sister, i can think of a better testemonial than that... but why don't i get paid on it? every other insurance company would have paid me on it) they are paying premiums like everyone else, someone is getting paid on that deal... Hmm, i wonder where that $$ is going?
FACT - find me someone in the agency that is making over $100,000 a year besides David Zophin and i'll eat my words...
You get out of the group and you sit down again 1 on 1 with another manager, they ask you how you feel about the opportunity. You have some questions... but they tell you, "that will be covered in the final interview"
FACT - They are required to get you in and out of that office after the group in 3 minutes. No time for questions... Chances are that the "manager" interviewing you still has questions. You show up for the final interview and you still have questions, but the opportunity seems so great. You accept the position.
I want to know when these questions are answered? certainly not in the interview process, not as a manager in training, not as a Supervising Agent or a General Agent... I guess its on a need to know basis
You are hired and start your training... sorry, UNPAID training.
you need to study for the state test, get your licence, learn the 20 page presentation. (20 page presentation? are you serious? this is such a great product, and the union members know we are coming to their house to talk about insurance, why is there a need for a 20 page presentation? I thought the product sold itself?)
now you have invested about $300 into the company, and have gone a month and a half without pay, but you're ready to go out on your own. Start making the BIG money.
oh, sorry, we don't have enough leads for you, or an area to put you in... you're manager will just tell you that you need more training before you're ready to go out. Or until someone quits and you can get their area.
You FINALLY get your area and your lead pack
FACT - someone was just in that area, and most of the leads have been called 50 times, the ones that havent were born in 1930 and are either uninsurable or like most human beings that have families and arfe between the ages of 50 and 75, have already taken care of their life insurance needs.
Oooh, here's a guy w/ a wife, 70 yrs old with NO life insurance... Well, this is his lucky day.. for JUST $85 a month, you can get him $6,000 in coverage. This product is EASY to sell... because we have the Freedom of Choice... which is a piece of paper with the companies phone number on it... How many other companies out there can offer that?
OK, not ALL of your leads will be old or uninsurable. You will get some good ones... 35 year old fireman with a new house and 2 kids. This is going to be a good appointment. You call him up, set the appointment to bring by the "no-cost" benefits that the union has provided for him.
Now we're going to make money
Show up at the house, sit down at the kitchen table with him and his wife and he asks "OK, so whats this all about?"
HUH?
You mean to tell me that these people dont know we are going there to talk about insurance? OK, this company is starting to sound fishy... but i'm in to deep to quit now... i have to at least break even. I need to talk to my manager and figure out what i'm doing wrong. I mean, he owns 2 suits, so he must be doing something right.
I'm told that i need to get more appointments and recruit, "the real money in this company is in management"
ok, so i put more child safe boxes out, (child safe boxes are free leads, who cares if they have no idea why i'm actually coming to their house?) i fill my days with appointments with single welfare moms with 7 kids and no checking accounts. These are insurance buyers. They HAVE to be, David Zophin said so.
At this point my life is in ruins... I no longer have friends, can't keep a girlfriend for longer than a week when they figure out that i can devote about a half hour a week to them. Havent talked to my family in weeks.....
I just have to keep my eyes on the bigger picture. This is opportunity UNLIMITED... I am going to get rich with this company... nobody understands.
I spend MORE time recruiting... gotta build a team... thats where the money is.
FACT - they are right, thats where the money is, you just dont see it. You basically just need to replace yourself, so Zophin doesn't take too big of a hit when you finally burn out and quit.
OK, i've been with the company for 4 months now and i think i have spent more money than i have made. but i have to stick around for the 6 month kitty check (that extra 35% that was held back on all my sales to date) plus i'm a manager now with a team. This might work out... I'm going to start making money now, i can feel it. AND i have health benefits now.
FACT - if you have 4 people under you writing $2,000 a week, you might see a couple hundred. reality is, that most people in the agency average about $500 a week, so you're seeing MAYBE $100 a week in overrides. BUT, you are required to run appointments with them to see how you can get them to start writing business.
When do i get to run appointments to make money for me?
Hey, wait... they never told me i had to PAY for my health insurance
get my kitty check... wow!!! $600!!! thank god i waited 6 months for a decent weeks paycheck. Well worth it
OK, i see this company is a farce... My credit is destroyed and I can't afford to pay rent. car note is behind and i can't supersize my meals at burger king. I decide to cut my losses and find another job.
My team is redistributed to the other managers... I've replaced myself x4. All my hard work payed off... just not to me
Forget about the deals that i have in the works... or the business i submitted before i left. Money earned? Whats that?
Oh, OK.. money earned for David Zophin. I keep forgetting how this works.
I guess I just didn't do what it took to ensure my success. I couldn't financially weather the storm. It's too bad, because success was JUST around the corner, the opportunity was UNLIMITED. David said so, so it MUST be true.
Bob
Providence, Rhode Island
U.S.A.
Click here to read other Rip Off Reports on American Income Life Insurance
6 Updates & Rebuttals
Phil
Johnston,Rhode Island,
U.S.A.
WWW.AILNORTHEAST.COM
#2UPDATE EX-employee responds
Tue, March 28, 2006
What a scam www.AILNORTHEAST.com is. Tell me where the job description is. It's not on there. Well, here it is: Looking for anyone with a pulse, we will train them to become a life insurance agent, we will pay 40%. You won't get paid for 2 months. Then you will get paid for one and be motivated. Then you will make almost nothing for the next month. Then you will quit. Then we will look for someone else. Thanks, SGA
When you go for a job interview, ask these questions. How many people have been here more than a year. Show me an avgerage weekly pay of the office. I worked there, trust me, I know. Don't work there. Don't think that you will be the "one" who makes it. You won't.
Phil the insurance doctor
Warwick, RI
A
Oklahoma City,Oklahoma,
U.S.A.
Rip Off 1
#3Consumer Suggestion
Thu, December 08, 2005
Respectable God fearing people, Atheists welcomed,
First off these people have no fear in you, me, and your ability to put them down for good, secondly... don't tell anyone to grow up, I have read some of this rebuttals and they disgust me to the point that I want to throw up on these one-sided point of view individuals that don't know the facts.
The fact is if you do a background check on this company TORCHMARK INC., which owns AMERICAN INCOME LIFE, it is one big MLM. That is Multi-Level Marketing for those that do not know this. All major insurance companies like AFLAC, would agree with this claim. It is not a claim. It is FACT!
A) Contact the FBI and IRS office to file a claim against this MLM company that feels that it can spam, deceive, and enslave you to work for them and not file proper and legit paperwork.
If I had it my way, I put this TORCHMARK out of business...
B) Contact your local Representatives, be it a State or Senate representative.
C)If you have knowledge about Committees, contact the Senate Business Committees.
**They might be the ones to put this so so powerful company out of business, if they call on a Congressional hearing of TORCHMARK.
I warn you, for those working for this MLM, don't push your close-minded agenda on this website, I will personally see to it that you will live a much sufferable life (either by law or social consequences)...you will pay for the suffering and deceit your company has done to innocent people such as the ones that posted this claim on this website in the first place.
This is not a threat, this is a warning. I can back up all my claims. I am not afraid of speaking for the truth, justice, and freedom.
Thank You,
A
Oklahoma City,Oklahoma,
U.S.A.
Rip Off 1
#4Consumer Suggestion
Thu, December 08, 2005
Respectable God fearing people, Atheists welcomed,
First off these people have no fear in you, me, and your ability to put them down for good, secondly... don't tell anyone to grow up, I have read some of this rebuttals and they disgust me to the point that I want to throw up on these one-sided point of view individuals that don't know the facts.
The fact is if you do a background check on this company TORCHMARK INC., which owns AMERICAN INCOME LIFE, it is one big MLM. That is Multi-Level Marketing for those that do not know this. All major insurance companies like AFLAC, would agree with this claim. It is not a claim. It is FACT!
A) Contact the FBI and IRS office to file a claim against this MLM company that feels that it can spam, deceive, and enslave you to work for them and not file proper and legit paperwork.
If I had it my way, I put this TORCHMARK out of business...
B) Contact your local Representatives, be it a State or Senate representative.
C)If you have knowledge about Committees, contact the Senate Business Committees.
**They might be the ones to put this so so powerful company out of business, if they call on a Congressional hearing of TORCHMARK.
I warn you, for those working for this MLM, don't push your close-minded agenda on this website, I will personally see to it that you will live a much sufferable life (either by law or social consequences)...you will pay for the suffering and deceit your company has done to innocent people such as the ones that posted this claim on this website in the first place.
This is not a threat, this is a warning. I can back up all my claims. I am not afraid of speaking for the truth, justice, and freedom.
Thank You,
A
Oklahoma City,Oklahoma,
U.S.A.
Rip Off 1
#5Consumer Suggestion
Thu, December 08, 2005
Respectable God fearing people, Atheists welcomed,
First off these people have no fear in you, me, and your ability to put them down for good, secondly... don't tell anyone to grow up, I have read some of this rebuttals and they disgust me to the point that I want to throw up on these one-sided point of view individuals that don't know the facts.
The fact is if you do a background check on this company TORCHMARK INC., which owns AMERICAN INCOME LIFE, it is one big MLM. That is Multi-Level Marketing for those that do not know this. All major insurance companies like AFLAC, would agree with this claim. It is not a claim. It is FACT!
A) Contact the FBI and IRS office to file a claim against this MLM company that feels that it can spam, deceive, and enslave you to work for them and not file proper and legit paperwork.
If I had it my way, I put this TORCHMARK out of business...
B) Contact your local Representatives, be it a State or Senate representative.
C)If you have knowledge about Committees, contact the Senate Business Committees.
**They might be the ones to put this so so powerful company out of business, if they call on a Congressional hearing of TORCHMARK.
I warn you, for those working for this MLM, don't push your close-minded agenda on this website, I will personally see to it that you will live a much sufferable life (either by law or social consequences)...you will pay for the suffering and deceit your company has done to innocent people such as the ones that posted this claim on this website in the first place.
This is not a threat, this is a warning. I can back up all my claims. I am not afraid of speaking for the truth, justice, and freedom.
Thank You,
A
Oklahoma City,Oklahoma,
U.S.A.
Rip Off 1
#6Consumer Suggestion
Thu, December 08, 2005
Respectable God fearing people, Atheists welcomed,
First off these people have no fear in you, me, and your ability to put them down for good, secondly... don't tell anyone to grow up, I have read some of this rebuttals and they disgust me to the point that I want to throw up on these one-sided point of view individuals that don't know the facts.
The fact is if you do a background check on this company TORCHMARK INC., which owns AMERICAN INCOME LIFE, it is one big MLM. That is Multi-Level Marketing for those that do not know this. All major insurance companies like AFLAC, would agree with this claim. It is not a claim. It is FACT!
A) Contact the FBI and IRS office to file a claim against this MLM company that feels that it can spam, deceive, and enslave you to work for them and not file proper and legit paperwork.
If I had it my way, I put this TORCHMARK out of business...
B) Contact your local Representatives, be it a State or Senate representative.
C)If you have knowledge about Committees, contact the Senate Business Committees.
**They might be the ones to put this so so powerful company out of business, if they call on a Congressional hearing of TORCHMARK.
I warn you, for those working for this MLM, don't push your close-minded agenda on this website, I will personally see to it that you will live a much sufferable life (either by law or social consequences)...you will pay for the suffering and deceit your company has done to innocent people such as the ones that posted this claim on this website in the first place.
This is not a threat, this is a warning. I can back up all my claims. I am not afraid of speaking for the truth, justice, and freedom.
Thank You,
Frank
Regina,Saskatchewan,
Canada
Strong Words
#7UPDATE EX-employee responds
Wed, December 07, 2005
Strong Words, but it seems that you nailed it down!
In these forums I do not question the company's good performance of the coverage offered by their products, but still the HR practices are far from being fair.
