DarenJones
Illinois,#2Consumer Suggestion
Mon, October 17, 2011
After reviewing the original post and the subsequent replies, I have some simple questions to ask those involved. Was there any agreement that "Jon" had to guarantee that people would sign up and use the websites services? I have looked over the terms as presented by the Owner and the terms simply state that payment will be made as the milestones are achieved.
What is the exact reason that payment is being withheld? I can very clearly see, as anyone else who reads this page can, that there were 5 Articles written for the website, and there was supposed to be a $250 payment for that, but it seems there was none. Why was payment withheld?
We can also very clearly see the increase in Subscribers and Views on the YouTube channel, that is simply indisputable fact. There was to be a $200 payment for that service as well. Again I ask, why was payment withheld?
From any impartial view, we can clearly understand why ibidbroker doesn't want to pay. They are upset their website wasn't converting visitors into new users registering with them. But alas, that wasn't part of the deal which was presented here. The deal was simply for certain milestones to be achieved, and the evidence shows that the milestones were achieved and the Marketer "Jon" has not been paid for those milestones.
P.S. Owner of Ibidbroker: Maybe the 43,000 Fake Real Estate Agent profiles are scaring off potential clients? Its hard to get registrations when nearly 100% of the Real Estate Agents on the site are not created by real people and were created using Scraped content online. If 43,000 Agents were truly registered you would have a much hire Traffic Ranking over all, as well as more Images would be uploaded for the Profiles.
The idea seems neat for Ibidbroker, but simply refusing to pay for services rendered is a poor image for the website to show to the world. We have seen evidence of the work done by the internet marketer as per the terms of the agreement. There is no reason I can see that Ibidbroker doesn't feel obligated to pay. I would recommend taking them to small claims court if they don't pay.
ElanceSeller
British Columbia,#3Author of original report
Sun, October 16, 2011
This reply is meant in regards to Debashis Chakraborty, whose company designed the website for iBidBroker. As he must understand, it was not in my terms that any new home owners had to sign up for the website. My job at this point was simply to complete the milestones laid about by Ajay Jain. Nowhere in the terms does it mention that a certain number of home owners must register to use the website.
In fact, I am not sure if there has EVER been a legitimate real home owner who has registered to use the site despite News coverage from many major Canadian news agencies and thousands of Canadian visitors being sent to the website. This is not my responsibility, this is the fault of the website designer.
The designer is who should be held responsible for conversions. If the website owner doesn't know how many hits it takes to get a conversion, then how can they say if my marketing was successful or not? The website design of iBidBroker is very poor and unprofessional and looks extremely outdated and is not user friendly. The site itself is quite confusing for the average home owner to use and that is why there have been no sign ups from home owners.
I did not come up with the Milestones/Terms of the job. Ajay Jain, owner of iBidBroker came up with the terms. My only task was to complete those milestones, which I did. It was made VERY clear from the start to Ajay Jain that I could not guarantee sign ups to the site, and he said he understood this. He believed that if people just visited the website, people would sign up. But that is not the case. You could send 10,000 Canadian home owners to the site, and there will still be 0 sign ups.
My job was the marketing, not the signups. It is up to the website owner and designer to work the traffic which was sent into conversions.
I don't dispute that nobody signed up to sell their home. But there WERE many Real Estate agents who signed up due to my efforts. But thats besides the point. I was offered a job to complete certain milestone, and I have proven that I did that. So why is it that I am not being paid?
Debashis Chakraborty
kolkata,#4General Comment
Sun, October 16, 2011
We "iTechnoweb" are the development partners of iBidBroker and have also worked with Ajay Jain in some more projects for years. Ajay has been so consistent with payments and response that he automatically creates his own priorities. Elance is a Platform where we got Ajay and we are really thankful for the same. The project was a dream for Ajay and also for us because of its unturned market in Canada, we made our bit work as good as possible to satisfy the site's requirement.. It was time that the site needed a solid marketing and hence Ajay got with Mr. Jon-Marc who claimed to be a pro in giving the site get what it needs.
I was personally reviewing the marketing movement without Ajay's request , because the better the site is marketed the more we will gain privilege of creating a Great website.. but unfortunately the site was as blank as it started the day it was live.. No additional campaign effort , no additional home owners interest was seen in the site.. nothing was working around with the site. Mr. Jon- Marc may have been spending days working, but his work was bringing no colors to the site neither it was a business oriented effort for the website.
Ajay has spent thousands of dollars for this website just to make sure it worked some money for him, which was not happening for him with the marketing efforts of Mr. Jon-Marc.. I myself was so frustrated and kept on asking him if the site is getting a proper marketing.. just imagine what was going with Ajay being the person spending another thousand for this marketing part.
I myself is a service provider of elance and also know what rip off is, but its certainly not AJAY's style.. he is a man of words.. if he tells you he will pay.. he will do it instantaneously on the same hour he sees the work done. I have seen that for years. Believe me, its very tough to get money from a client even after work is done, but not from Ajay.. I have never asked payment from him ever, because he never gave me the chance to ask, The payments were done immediately as and when the milestone update went to him..
After such an consistent approach from a client for such a long period, I cant withstand this type of words or allegations about Ajay .. He is just a Dream buyer to any service provider and that's a fact.. So I would recommend Mr. Jon-Marc to spend his time making the marketing efforts more industry specific which stands for some value to the client.
Best Regards
Debashis
CEO & Founder
iTechnoWeb
ElanceSeller
British Columbia,#5Author of original report
Sun, October 16, 2011
First let me also point out, since this job, I have done the exact same work with many other clients on Elance and ALL of them have rated me highly. This client is the only one who wasn't happy with my work due to his own misunderstandings of how internet marketing works. All of my other clients are Internet Marketing Professionals who understand the value of my work.
1) Why did you not pay for the 5 original articles which were written? Everyone can see proof of the articles written here:
http://1295.org/Art/120591/63/Introducing-iBidBroker.html
http://1295.org/Art/122961/63/How-to-Find-the-Best-Realtor.html
http://1295.org/Art/140972/63/Acquiring-New-Real-Estate-Listings.html
http://247-articles.com/Art/59195/208/Innovation-in-Real-Estate.html
http://article.seochitchat.com/home-selling-made-simple
These articles were all original content written by me. I was offered $250.00 for this milestone as YOU yourself state very clearly, and you also admit you didn't pay for that service.
2) You can very clearly see on the YouTube videos that you have over 1,000 subscribers and nearing 10,000 views on each, with the numbers increasing each day. http://www.youtube.com/user/iBidBroker and the numbers WOULD be over 10,000 but I stopped promoting your youtube videos because of your refusal to pay me for the other milestones. Do you really feel you owe me nothing for the 1,100+ Subscribers and 16,000+ views (which I could easily increase to the 20,000 agreed views if you didn't refuse to pay).
3) If anyone doubts that I populated over 1,000+ blogs/forums/review pages etc. with his articles simply Google search the following phrases:
"Introducing-iBidBroker"
"How-to-Find-the-Best-Realtor" ibidbroker
"Acquiring-New-Real-Estate-Listings" ibidbroker
"Innovation-in-Real-Estate" ibidbroker
"home-selling-made-simple" ibidbroker
You can clearly see plain as day that these articles exist on OVER 10,000 pages! I was in the process of leaving reviews on the 500+ Canadian websites required when we started to see differently on how the job should be completed.
4) You are upset that many of the people who visited your website were American or Indian, but this is the internet. I can not be held responsible if someone from the USA or India finds your website interesting. Did I increase the Canadian Traffic as well? The answer is YES. When I began the project, iBidbroker.com was ranked as the 122,501 most visited website in terms of Canadian only visitors. When I finished the project, it was ranked 71,733 in terms of Canadian only visitors. Increasing your Canadian visitors amount higher than 50,000+ other websites seem like you WERE getting Canadian visitors and not just Americans and Indians.
5) I have presented this proof to the owner of iBidBroker many times, and he simply states that he is "very concerned about the type of marketing and traffic that is being generated." I was hired to do the internet marketing for you. I have worked with hundreds of websites before. I own a very successful internet marketing company. Not every website goes VIRAL and spreads to millions of people. All I promised was that: I would complete the milestones as presented to me and that I would create awareness of your business. I have done that, and I demand payment for the PROOF I have presented above.
aj_to
Richmond Hill,#6REBUTTAL Owner of company
Sun, October 16, 2011
It is true that our company hired Mr. Jon-Marc to work on the online marketing and social media of our website.
Mr. Jon-Marc was new to Elance when we hired him. We have done over $20,000 worth of business on Elance and have paid every one of our service providers. The way e-lance is setup is:
1) You hire a company;
2) set mutually agreeable milestones and payments for those milestones
3) You fund each milestone only once the previous one has been achieved and completed.
So it is true that we did NOT fund the full amount. We funded each one as the project progressed.
The milestones were as follows: