Mark
St Clair Shores,#2Author of original report
Sat, August 21, 2010
Beams HERE were installed by INSIDE system company fool,good lord you inside owners/salespeople are LOST in Space,truly!! http://picasaweb.google.com/101049034584960315932/BasementWaterproofing41
This happens ALL-the-time, homeowners call the INSIDE system nitwits and they bs the homeowners into an inside system and in some cases,beams and-or wall anchors. LOOK at photos knucklehead, water CONTINUES to enter THROUGH EXTERIOR cracks and cracked-deteriorated parging AND cracks are WIDENING,more mold and more efflorescence because you inside twinkle toes do NOT competently 'identify' the CAUSE(s) of the cracks,bowed wall,leaks,mold etc. LATERAL SOIL pressure and underground ROOTS.........CAUSED.......duh......cracks,caused walls to bow inward,caused the subsequent leaks/seepage which THEN......caused most of the stupid MOLD and EFFLORESCENCE. You ding bats do NOT repair/waterproof the EXISTING defects,the cracks and you.....don`t remove/reduce ANY lateral soil pressure,underground roots off the walls etc.
Just like here, U S Army Corps Engs,what CAUSED the cracks in basement walls!!!!! http://www.lrb.usace.army.mil/AmherstSoilStudy/photos/photos.html INSIDE SYSTEM crrrrrrap was installed which did not remove-reduce lateral pressure or any other exterior weight,problems,causes such as underground roots against wall,concrete slabs against wall etc and yet again,they also left the EXTERIOR cracks,cracked parging OPEN....hellllo!!!! Duuuuuh!!!
Your lying again on COST of inside junk,MOST charge between $8,000-15,000 mister! And whatever the heck the cost, WHEN the PROBLEM(s) that allow water to enter are on the OUTSIDE....then.....duhhhh, one MUST go outside to COMPETENTLY fix/repair/waterproof them!!!!!
Listen stinky, IF your ROOF was LEAKING would you stay inside and go up in ATTIC and patch the attic and-or install drain tiles and a SUMP PUMP in the attic?????? Or would you get your lazy-incompetent self outside,up on the roof and then FIND-IDENTIFY how/where the water is FIRST getting in!!!!!
IF a TREE landed on your ROOF and caused damage,holes etc in the stup[id roof would YOU....LEAVE the TREE on roof and INSTEAD install some drain tiles and a sump pump in attic?????
So when lateral soil pressure and-or underground roots or concrete slabs or a porch footing etc has CAUSED a wall to bow inward or CAUSED crack(s) in basement wall which then caused water to enter and subsequent mold/efflorescence you should be removing,reducing the CAUSE(s) and......repairing/waterproofing the cracks,cracked parging.......and duhhhhh, that can ONLY be done on the.........OUTSIDE!!!!!!!!!!!
Here,homeowner said..... Insta Dry basement systems installed the WALL ANCHORS which did NOT remove-relieve ANY exterior lateral soil pressure or underground roots etc OFF the wall which CAUSED the dang cracks,leaks etc in the first place!!!! http://picasaweb.google.com/101049034584960315932/BasementWaterproofing36 STILL leaks,more mold/efflorescence and some cracks widening....duh!!!!
Randy
HUDSON,#3REBUTTAL Owner of company
Sat, August 21, 2010
So I have'nt heard the name of your company on here,whats the matter?And it looks to me that the work was done from the outside.I didnt see any evidence the floor had been broken around the walls.I see there were "I" beems installed to pull back the walls and he said it was pulled back.The only way that would happen instantly is if the wall had been excavated.
I know what you are going to say,sump pump.Where I work you have to put in a sump whether its inside or out.
And $12,000.Thats the cost of an outside job.Most interior jobs are $5-$6000.00.I have never seen a basement large enough to be $12,000.00.Cost is about $35 per foot on the inside and I havent seen many 345 linear foot basements.Now outside I get $125 per foot,so thats about the size of an average basement,125 feet.
And do you need an engineer to asses what work needs to be done?Well I think this would make you a less than capable waterproofer.
And again,I do interior and exterior waterproofing and for the past 32 years.Every single inside job has a lifetime warranty.Outside,10 years.I'm still in bussiness because the work stands the test of time.
Do you have any othermistruths you spew as fact?
Mark
St Clair Shores,#4Author of original report
Thu, August 19, 2010
notice he doesn`t want to use company name etc, got that! lol Your the misguided,incompetent knothead mister Randy. Here`s ANOTHER inside system installed and $12,000 later, homeowner STILL leaking.......yup. http://www.local12.com/content/troubleshooter/story/Hire-an-Engineer-Then-Waterproofing-Company-to/1_i55kYhpEmjeM3D6ej-kg.cspx
ok Randy i`ll ask, whats the name of your rag tag incompetent inside system company?
Randy
HUDSON,#5REBUTTAL Owner of company
Wed, August 18, 2010
When I install a waterproofing system inside or outside,it has been determined ahead of time it is coming from inadequite footer drains.Period.Not run-off,downspouts plugged or broken,humidity or any other reason.The way I repair it is my decision,aproved by my customer,the local codes and the majority of waterproofing experts around the country.Except you of course.
I also do outside excavation when needed such as broken downspout lines,severe cracks,bowed walls or any other reasons that an interior system wouldn't be the best choice.When this happens I feel bad that the customer has to be subjected to the extreem.
I can't believe your ignorance and antiquated beliefs.You must be a meat and potatoe guy.
You should do some research before you comment on things you dont know.I mean really,inside waterproofing is an excepted practice aproved by code,engineers,archetects, boca,cabor and countless others,but again not by you.
You do know other people can see your post?
Mark
St Clair Shores,#6Author of original report
Sat, February 20, 2010
your ALL the SAME man. You do not identify homeowners actual problems,you either don`t understand or care to and just want to install inside systems.
MISREPRESENTING any homeowners problem,actual leak-where the water is FIRST getting in and instead installing inside systems is at least incompetence-negligence and often fraud buddy.
Randy
HUDSON,#7Consumer Comment
Fri, June 08, 2007
I own a waterproofing company,(not mentioned),and have done so for the past 28 years.I do interior water proofing and exterior waterproofing I also do foundation underpinning,hellical piling and basement wall replacement I have a master plumbing licence and a state plumbing licence The companys you name are notorious for their bad reputations but they should not be bunched up into a group that all inside companys are all the same.Many exterior only companys have the same high number of complaints ,you also have to look at the volume of work being done.In the past 3 years I have had 2 complaints that literally have nothing to do with my work,one lady said I plugged up her downspout by adding a sump pump to it.The volume of water was too much for it to handle. As you know,(I hope).,this is ridiculous I do over 1000 jobs per year and have 2 complaints that were resolved Thats 3000 jobs in 3 years in my book pretty good.I simply think you are out to vilify any one who doesn't do things the way you think they should be done what makes you the expert?Work on building your business not knocking others ,your not every ones savior
Mark
St Clair Shores,#8Author of original report
Wed, May 10, 2006
do you really want 'All' the facts? then, you have to Read 'n Learn! there are others who are trying to INFORM You! knock knock....anybody home? Sheesh... Lateral & hydrostatic Soil Pressure(and tree roots) on the 'Outside' of basement walls can cause cracks in bsmt walls, leaks, bowing of walls and possibly collapse walls, don't believe me, no! READ! Inside drain tile & baseboard systems w/sump do NOT lessen/relieve these Outside soil pressures!! www.bobvila.com/ArticleLibrary/Task/Inspecting/FoundationFailure.html Please...read where 'they' say 'n know what is the best backfill to have against the Outside of basement wall, what applies the 'least' lateral load. Not enough? no problem, go to.... www.yodergroup.com/concrete.asp please, read 6th 'n 7th paragraphs www.al-home-inspections.com/news-articles/article-4.html www.askthebuilder.com/NH058_-_Waterproofing_Foundations.shtml "There is a Significant Differnece between damproofing and waterproofing.....5th para" To Permanently stop Water 'n water vapor from entering your foundation walls, you need to Waterproof them" "Damproofing is an INEXPENSIVE way to meet the LOWEST Minimum Standard of the Building Code" Got Milk? NOT sealing/waterproofing these cracks 'n allowing water/moisture to...continue to enter will only increase the likelihood of mold,efflorescence,radon gas,termites etc. anyone can do/install an Inside system, it is much less labor-intensive and much less costly YET, Most Inside companies charge as much as an Outside method if not more! Yeah yeah, quite a few say/state bunch O' crap incl'g... "Exterior methods are Very Expensive"...."Exterior method was done when home was built, it didnt work then and won't work now" etc etc etc. Hey, read those links i posted...again! You see what THEY say? Isn't it mildy-ironic that many-not all 'Inside' companies tell you 'Exterior' Waterproofing is NOT necessary, doesn't work, is Very expensive etc? loooolllllll
Mark
St Clair Shores,#9Author of original report
Wed, May 10, 2006
do you really want 'All' the facts? then, you have to Read 'n Learn! there are others who are trying to INFORM You! knock knock....anybody home? Sheesh... Lateral & hydrostatic Soil Pressure(and tree roots) on the 'Outside' of basement walls can cause cracks in bsmt walls, leaks, bowing of walls and possibly collapse walls, don't believe me, no! READ! Inside drain tile & baseboard systems w/sump do NOT lessen/relieve these Outside soil pressures!! www.bobvila.com/ArticleLibrary/Task/Inspecting/FoundationFailure.html Please...read where 'they' say 'n know what is the best backfill to have against the Outside of basement wall, what applies the 'least' lateral load. Not enough? no problem, go to.... www.yodergroup.com/concrete.asp please, read 6th 'n 7th paragraphs www.al-home-inspections.com/news-articles/article-4.html www.askthebuilder.com/NH058_-_Waterproofing_Foundations.shtml "There is a Significant Differnece between damproofing and waterproofing.....5th para" To Permanently stop Water 'n water vapor from entering your foundation walls, you need to Waterproof them" "Damproofing is an INEXPENSIVE way to meet the LOWEST Minimum Standard of the Building Code" Got Milk? NOT sealing/waterproofing these cracks 'n allowing water/moisture to...continue to enter will only increase the likelihood of mold,efflorescence,radon gas,termites etc. anyone can do/install an Inside system, it is much less labor-intensive and much less costly YET, Most Inside companies charge as much as an Outside method if not more! Yeah yeah, quite a few say/state bunch O' crap incl'g... "Exterior methods are Very Expensive"...."Exterior method was done when home was built, it didnt work then and won't work now" etc etc etc. Hey, read those links i posted...again! You see what THEY say? Isn't it mildy-ironic that many-not all 'Inside' companies tell you 'Exterior' Waterproofing is NOT necessary, doesn't work, is Very expensive etc? loooolllllll
Mark
St Clair Shores,#10Author of original report
Wed, May 10, 2006
do you really want 'All' the facts? then, you have to Read 'n Learn! there are others who are trying to INFORM You! knock knock....anybody home? Sheesh... Lateral & hydrostatic Soil Pressure(and tree roots) on the 'Outside' of basement walls can cause cracks in bsmt walls, leaks, bowing of walls and possibly collapse walls, don't believe me, no! READ! Inside drain tile & baseboard systems w/sump do NOT lessen/relieve these Outside soil pressures!! www.bobvila.com/ArticleLibrary/Task/Inspecting/FoundationFailure.html Please...read where 'they' say 'n know what is the best backfill to have against the Outside of basement wall, what applies the 'least' lateral load. Not enough? no problem, go to.... www.yodergroup.com/concrete.asp please, read 6th 'n 7th paragraphs www.al-home-inspections.com/news-articles/article-4.html www.askthebuilder.com/NH058_-_Waterproofing_Foundations.shtml "There is a Significant Differnece between damproofing and waterproofing.....5th para" To Permanently stop Water 'n water vapor from entering your foundation walls, you need to Waterproof them" "Damproofing is an INEXPENSIVE way to meet the LOWEST Minimum Standard of the Building Code" Got Milk? NOT sealing/waterproofing these cracks 'n allowing water/moisture to...continue to enter will only increase the likelihood of mold,efflorescence,radon gas,termites etc. anyone can do/install an Inside system, it is much less labor-intensive and much less costly YET, Most Inside companies charge as much as an Outside method if not more! Yeah yeah, quite a few say/state bunch O' crap incl'g... "Exterior methods are Very Expensive"...."Exterior method was done when home was built, it didnt work then and won't work now" etc etc etc. Hey, read those links i posted...again! You see what THEY say? Isn't it mildy-ironic that many-not all 'Inside' companies tell you 'Exterior' Waterproofing is NOT necessary, doesn't work, is Very expensive etc? loooolllllll
Mark
St Clair Shores,#11Author of original report
Wed, May 10, 2006
do you really want 'All' the facts? then, you have to Read 'n Learn! there are others who are trying to INFORM You! knock knock....anybody home? Sheesh... Lateral & hydrostatic Soil Pressure(and tree roots) on the 'Outside' of basement walls can cause cracks in bsmt walls, leaks, bowing of walls and possibly collapse walls, don't believe me, no! READ! Inside drain tile & baseboard systems w/sump do NOT lessen/relieve these Outside soil pressures!! www.bobvila.com/ArticleLibrary/Task/Inspecting/FoundationFailure.html Please...read where 'they' say 'n know what is the best backfill to have against the Outside of basement wall, what applies the 'least' lateral load. Not enough? no problem, go to.... www.yodergroup.com/concrete.asp please, read 6th 'n 7th paragraphs www.al-home-inspections.com/news-articles/article-4.html www.askthebuilder.com/NH058_-_Waterproofing_Foundations.shtml "There is a Significant Differnece between damproofing and waterproofing.....5th para" To Permanently stop Water 'n water vapor from entering your foundation walls, you need to Waterproof them" "Damproofing is an INEXPENSIVE way to meet the LOWEST Minimum Standard of the Building Code" Got Milk? NOT sealing/waterproofing these cracks 'n allowing water/moisture to...continue to enter will only increase the likelihood of mold,efflorescence,radon gas,termites etc. anyone can do/install an Inside system, it is much less labor-intensive and much less costly YET, Most Inside companies charge as much as an Outside method if not more! Yeah yeah, quite a few say/state bunch O' crap incl'g... "Exterior methods are Very Expensive"...."Exterior method was done when home was built, it didnt work then and won't work now" etc etc etc. Hey, read those links i posted...again! You see what THEY say? Isn't it mildy-ironic that many-not all 'Inside' companies tell you 'Exterior' Waterproofing is NOT necessary, doesn't work, is Very expensive etc? loooolllllll
Mark
St Clair Shores,#12Author of original report
Thu, May 04, 2006
The following is for 'INFORMATIONAL' purposes only! It is 'NOT' for selling or promotional purposes! This is solely to help provide the PUBLIC a view of complaints against some Inside waterproofing companies IF what they are selling was what these homeowners needed they WHY 'O WHY sooo many complaints? If they truly are 'experts' then why so many complaints? If their inside systems stopped water, stop/prevent mold,efflorescence,radon,termites etc, why the complaints? If their inside systems help stop/prevent cracks in walls, bowing walls etc then, why the complaints? ok, according to the BBB,not me, here is a 'partial list' of complaints....this does not mean any company is good,bad,ugly! check for yourself www.search.bbb.org 77 complaints last 36 months Basement Doctor Waterproofing Trevose,PA 45 complaints last 36 months Everdry Waterproofing Cranberry Twp,PA 54 complaints last 36 mth Ever dry Waterprf'g Hilliard,OH 16 complaints last 36 mths Everdry Waterpf'g Toledo,OH 15 complaints last 36 mths Everdry Waterpf'g of Michiana South Bend,IN 53 complaints last 36 mths Ever Dry Waterpf'g Fort Wayne,IN 22 complaints last 36 mths Everdry Waterprf'g Rochester,NY 17 complaints last 36 mths Everdry Waterpf'g Waukesha,WI 11 complaints last 36 mths B Dry Waterpf'g Baltimore,MD 11 complaints last 36 mths B Dry Waterpf'g Medina,OH 71 complaints last 36 mths Mid Atlantic Waterpf'g Laurel,MD 41 complaints last 36 mths Mid Atlantic Waterpf'g South Plainfield,NJ 31 complaints last 36 mths Mid Atlantic Systems Boothwyn,PA 27 complaints last 36 mths Mid Atlantic Systems York,PA 14 complaints last 36 mths Atlantis Waterpf'g Woodbridge,NJ 17 complaints last 36 mths Champion Waterpf'g Jeanette,PA 15 complaints last 36 mths Vulcan Bsmt Waterprf'g Fenton,MO 18 complaints last 36 mths Vulcan Bsmt Waterpf'g River Grove,IL 20 complaints last 36 mths Ohio State Waterprf'g Macedonia,OH 21 complaints last 36 mths Seacoast Waterprf'g Pawtuckett,RI 11 complaints last 36 mths Basement Systems White Marsh,MD 26 complaints last 36 mths Boston Bsmt Technologies Brockton,MA 34 complaints last 36 mths C & M Waterpf'g St Louis,MO ...thats around 600 complaints in last 36 months, and again, i'm NOT saying anyone here or NOT here is good, bad etc. These are supposed Facts not accounted by me but rather the BBB and i only post to inform,i am NOT selling or promoting anything or any company, sheeshh, just to help inform others, the public so any inside company who has a problem with these supposed facts, don't knock my butt, take it up with yourselves 'n the BBB
Mark
St Clair Shores,#13Author of original report
Thu, May 04, 2006
Due to my posting on hgtvpro and trying to 'inform' the public of 'all' facts etc about Basement Waterproofing, 2 Inside waterproofing companies who are BBB members didn't care for the Real 'n Honest answers about waterproofing being disclosed and got together & complained to the BBB who then just added a complaint against my lil company, hahaaa! This is Un-Be-lievable! They actually conspired to mess with me, to put a complaint on my business record because i simply am trying to....Inform homeowners of ALL facts regarding basement waterproofing. An attempt to....shut me up because, they don't want the PUBLIC aware of ALL the facts. See, many-not all of these Inside companies who only-rather install these Inside systems have a TON of complaints against...THEM! This is because Inside Systems do NOT stop water from entering cracks in basement walls and other OUTSIDE openings. And since Inside Systems cannot stop water from entering they then, also do NOT stop/prevent mold,efflorescence etc from growing on basement walls, behind paneling/drywall. And since these cracks are NOT sealed/waterproofed from Outside by Inside companies, termites and other insects can continue to enter, radon gas can continue to enter. And, lateral & hydrostatic Soil Pressure and tree roots are still against the outside of the basement wall(s) which cause walls to crack, leak, bow and in worse cases...collapse inward! ONLY way to help lessen/relieve this Outside soil pressure is from....ahem, the OUTSIDE! Many Inside companies do NOT want YOU to know/understand this! Or they themselves who claim to be 'experts' do NOT understand this! If YOU, the PUBLIC, really want to begin to understand what IS best for your basement/basement walls etc, PLEASE READ these articles...... -Read 6th, 7th paragraphs www.yodergroup.com/concrete.asp -Read at least first 4 para's www.bobvila.com/ArticleLibrary/Task/Inspecting/FoundationFailure.html -Read www.al-home-inspections.com/news-articles/article-4.html -or like i say, go to www.hgtvpro.com find message boards, find foundations mess brd and then find 'Licwaterproofer' Thread w/ 25,000 views... This is what these Inside Companies do NOT want YOU to KNOW! And evidently with the BBB's help, whom many of these Inside Co's PAY, will try to shut me up and screw with MY business record WHY would the BBB want to help shut me up, HUH? WHY would the BBB NOT want the PUBLIC to have ALL the information regarding Basement Waterproofing, HUH? This is complete NONSENSE.....the BBB a watchdog for the betterment of Homeowners? lolol....Nah, it doesn't appear this way to my butt, i'm not good at alot of things in this world BUT, am VERY good and HONEST at 1 thing,uh huh, Basement Waterproofing and YOUR Foundation!