Laurey
Concord,#2Author of original report
Tue, October 05, 2004
Mr. Ram forgot some details. Please see my comments below [LM]. - Laurey M. 1. "Ms Mcelroy cancel this order which was in its final stage." [LM] We cancelled the order on 9/22/04 - 22 days after deadline, 13 days after we last heard from Mr. Ram, and the same day the other "owner," James, asked us to put it in writing and he'd refund our deposit. 2. "we are stuck with all the custom base for this calendar totalling over $3500.00..." [LM] This was included in our estimate. Had they delivered, this would not be an issue. 3. "we also have a binding contract with ms Mcelroy which was ignored." [LM] A contract which stated the project would be delivered by 8/31/04, and which was signed by Danny Ram, as well. 4. "She also states that we collected four thousand ($4000.00) of which we did not return...we have returned on 9/20- $2700.00 to her new printer" [LM] This is the whole other story I mentioned. On 9/9/04 (9 days after our due date and the day I last heard from him, when he said we would "absolutely" have 200 of the 1000 calendars the next day), Danny Ram brokered our job out to another printer. So technically that is "his" printer. However, because the first check he sent them for $2700 as a deposit for "his" job was no good, they were happy to work with us directly so that they would get paid and we would get our calendars. CC did send them a second check for $2700. We just found out today, 10/4, that it did clear and will be applied to our invoice. That doesn't explain where our other $1300 is. 5. " we were later contacted via e-mail that she does not want to be contacted and that the rest of the matter should be resolved through her attorney." [LM] The letter said "Please do not contact me other than by way of shipment of our deposit. Expect to hear from our representative should that not happen by above said date." 6. "As to her claim that there were no calls to her from our company in a month this again is an OUTRIGHT LIE !! we have all our phone records to prove our phone calls to her." [LM] I would like to see them to compare to my records. 7. "This is noting but an attempt to smear our company." [LM] For those of you considering working with CC, believe who and what you will. We are just a group of people with what was supposed to be a fun project for a good cause. I personally am exhausted by this whole experience, it has worn me down and I am a different (not better) person for it. While our resources may not allow us to criminally pursue these guys to the extent which we would like, let alone get the rest of our money back, we will continue to file complaints with government agencies, and business and trade organizations so that no one else has to go through what we've gone through.
Laurey
Concord,#3Author of original report
Tue, October 05, 2004
Mr. Ram forgot some details. Please see my comments below [LM]. - Laurey M. 1. "Ms Mcelroy cancel this order which was in its final stage." [LM] We cancelled the order on 9/22/04 - 22 days after deadline, 13 days after we last heard from Mr. Ram, and the same day the other "owner," James, asked us to put it in writing and he'd refund our deposit. 2. "we are stuck with all the custom base for this calendar totalling over $3500.00..." [LM] This was included in our estimate. Had they delivered, this would not be an issue. 3. "we also have a binding contract with ms Mcelroy which was ignored." [LM] A contract which stated the project would be delivered by 8/31/04, and which was signed by Danny Ram, as well. 4. "She also states that we collected four thousand ($4000.00) of which we did not return...we have returned on 9/20- $2700.00 to her new printer" [LM] This is the whole other story I mentioned. On 9/9/04 (9 days after our due date and the day I last heard from him, when he said we would "absolutely" have 200 of the 1000 calendars the next day), Danny Ram brokered our job out to another printer. So technically that is "his" printer. However, because the first check he sent them for $2700 as a deposit for "his" job was no good, they were happy to work with us directly so that they would get paid and we would get our calendars. CC did send them a second check for $2700. We just found out today, 10/4, that it did clear and will be applied to our invoice. That doesn't explain where our other $1300 is. 5. " we were later contacted via e-mail that she does not want to be contacted and that the rest of the matter should be resolved through her attorney." [LM] The letter said "Please do not contact me other than by way of shipment of our deposit. Expect to hear from our representative should that not happen by above said date." 6. "As to her claim that there were no calls to her from our company in a month this again is an OUTRIGHT LIE !! we have all our phone records to prove our phone calls to her." [LM] I would like to see them to compare to my records. 7. "This is noting but an attempt to smear our company." [LM] For those of you considering working with CC, believe who and what you will. We are just a group of people with what was supposed to be a fun project for a good cause. I personally am exhausted by this whole experience, it has worn me down and I am a different (not better) person for it. While our resources may not allow us to criminally pursue these guys to the extent which we would like, let alone get the rest of our money back, we will continue to file complaints with government agencies, and business and trade organizations so that no one else has to go through what we've gone through.
Laurey
Concord,#4Author of original report
Tue, October 05, 2004
Mr. Ram forgot some details. Please see my comments below [LM]. - Laurey M. 1. "Ms Mcelroy cancel this order which was in its final stage." [LM] We cancelled the order on 9/22/04 - 22 days after deadline, 13 days after we last heard from Mr. Ram, and the same day the other "owner," James, asked us to put it in writing and he'd refund our deposit. 2. "we are stuck with all the custom base for this calendar totalling over $3500.00..." [LM] This was included in our estimate. Had they delivered, this would not be an issue. 3. "we also have a binding contract with ms Mcelroy which was ignored." [LM] A contract which stated the project would be delivered by 8/31/04, and which was signed by Danny Ram, as well. 4. "She also states that we collected four thousand ($4000.00) of which we did not return...we have returned on 9/20- $2700.00 to her new printer" [LM] This is the whole other story I mentioned. On 9/9/04 (9 days after our due date and the day I last heard from him, when he said we would "absolutely" have 200 of the 1000 calendars the next day), Danny Ram brokered our job out to another printer. So technically that is "his" printer. However, because the first check he sent them for $2700 as a deposit for "his" job was no good, they were happy to work with us directly so that they would get paid and we would get our calendars. CC did send them a second check for $2700. We just found out today, 10/4, that it did clear and will be applied to our invoice. That doesn't explain where our other $1300 is. 5. " we were later contacted via e-mail that she does not want to be contacted and that the rest of the matter should be resolved through her attorney." [LM] The letter said "Please do not contact me other than by way of shipment of our deposit. Expect to hear from our representative should that not happen by above said date." 6. "As to her claim that there were no calls to her from our company in a month this again is an OUTRIGHT LIE !! we have all our phone records to prove our phone calls to her." [LM] I would like to see them to compare to my records. 7. "This is noting but an attempt to smear our company." [LM] For those of you considering working with CC, believe who and what you will. We are just a group of people with what was supposed to be a fun project for a good cause. I personally am exhausted by this whole experience, it has worn me down and I am a different (not better) person for it. While our resources may not allow us to criminally pursue these guys to the extent which we would like, let alone get the rest of our money back, we will continue to file complaints with government agencies, and business and trade organizations so that no one else has to go through what we've gone through.
Laurey
Concord,#5Author of original report
Tue, October 05, 2004
Mr. Ram forgot some details. Please see my comments below [LM]. - Laurey M. 1. "Ms Mcelroy cancel this order which was in its final stage." [LM] We cancelled the order on 9/22/04 - 22 days after deadline, 13 days after we last heard from Mr. Ram, and the same day the other "owner," James, asked us to put it in writing and he'd refund our deposit. 2. "we are stuck with all the custom base for this calendar totalling over $3500.00..." [LM] This was included in our estimate. Had they delivered, this would not be an issue. 3. "we also have a binding contract with ms Mcelroy which was ignored." [LM] A contract which stated the project would be delivered by 8/31/04, and which was signed by Danny Ram, as well. 4. "She also states that we collected four thousand ($4000.00) of which we did not return...we have returned on 9/20- $2700.00 to her new printer" [LM] This is the whole other story I mentioned. On 9/9/04 (9 days after our due date and the day I last heard from him, when he said we would "absolutely" have 200 of the 1000 calendars the next day), Danny Ram brokered our job out to another printer. So technically that is "his" printer. However, because the first check he sent them for $2700 as a deposit for "his" job was no good, they were happy to work with us directly so that they would get paid and we would get our calendars. CC did send them a second check for $2700. We just found out today, 10/4, that it did clear and will be applied to our invoice. That doesn't explain where our other $1300 is. 5. " we were later contacted via e-mail that she does not want to be contacted and that the rest of the matter should be resolved through her attorney." [LM] The letter said "Please do not contact me other than by way of shipment of our deposit. Expect to hear from our representative should that not happen by above said date." 6. "As to her claim that there were no calls to her from our company in a month this again is an OUTRIGHT LIE !! we have all our phone records to prove our phone calls to her." [LM] I would like to see them to compare to my records. 7. "This is noting but an attempt to smear our company." [LM] For those of you considering working with CC, believe who and what you will. We are just a group of people with what was supposed to be a fun project for a good cause. I personally am exhausted by this whole experience, it has worn me down and I am a different (not better) person for it. While our resources may not allow us to criminally pursue these guys to the extent which we would like, let alone get the rest of our money back, we will continue to file complaints with government agencies, and business and trade organizations so that no one else has to go through what we've gone through.
Danny
Brooklyn,#6REBUTTAL Owner of company
Mon, October 04, 2004
we were contracted to finish a Calendar for laurey Mcelroy. but the statment printed about canecutter is not true. Ms Mcelroy cancel this order which was in its final stage. we are stuck with all the custom base for this calendar totalling over $3500.00(we would like to post a copy of this invoice on line) of which we have to absorb.we also have a binding contract with ms Mcelroy which was ignored. She also states that we collected four thousand ($4000.00) of which we did not return.THIS IS AN OUTRIGHT LIE!!. we have returned on 9/20- $2700.00 to her new printer ( Action printer In WI). We will post a copy of this check. we were later contacted via e-mail that she does not want to be contacted and that the rest of the matter should be resolved through her attorney. As to her claim that there were no calls to her from our company in a month this again is an OUTRIGHT LIE !! we have all our phone records to prove our phone calls to her. This is noting but an attempt to smear our company.