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  • Report:  #186137

Complaint Review: Courtesy Ford Conyers - Randy Morris - Conyers Georgia

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- Mableton, Georgia,
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Courtesy Ford Conyers - Randy Morris
1636 Dogwood Drive Conyers, 30013 Georgia, U.S.A.
Phone:
770-922-2700
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I purchased an OEM (Ford Motor Company) Certified Used Car from Courtesy Ford back in February of 2005(11 months ago). The Ford model is 2003 Windstar. The Certified Used Car program offered by the Ford Motor Company, for authorized Ford Dealerships, is suppose to certify that the car has gone though an arduous 115 point check of it's soundness and road worthiness.

We were told by multiple Courtesy Ford representatives that because of this Certification that only the best used cars (above the standard) were allowed to be certified. I asked our Sales representative (Jeremy) and the Sales manager (Tim) if this vehicle had ever been in an accident. I was told repeatedly by the Courtesy Ford representatives that the car had not been wrecked and that if it had been, it would not have qualified for the Ford Motor Company certification.

The Ford Certified car is marketed as being of such exceptional quality that the FORD MOTOR Company (not the dealer but the manufacturer) doubles the original 3years / 36,000 miles warranty to a 6 years/75,000 miles and claims the care is better than NEW! We also purchased an additional extended warranty for the vehicle up to 7 years / 100k miles.

I discovered while shopping for car insurance that the Windstar had been in a MAJOR accident where a very LARGE claim had been paid out by State Farm Insurance, to the previous owner.I contacted Courtesy Ford.and spoke with the General Manager. The General Manager could not explain WHY a car which had been wrecked in a MAJOR head-on collision, would have been a candidate for their Certification program. He wanted to know where we had gotten our information. Then he said, Well Carfax doesn't show it! We then told him we wanted return the Windstar and get our money back. But the General Manager was not interested. His offer was to sell us another vehicle!!!!!

I had taken the Windstar to Carmax to find out what possible options we had on the car. Carmax stated the Windstar would not even be a car their company would consider purchasing, due to the structural damage of the car. In addition, the value of the Windstar, as a result of the structural damage is significantly less than our purchase price of $17,900. The Windstar is actually only worth $7,200!!! Carmax was able to determine this after a 10 minute inspection.

I did get intouch with Randy Morris, the Dealership owner and he has refused to take the car back. Instead he has offered a collateral swap. This was three months ago and no one from his organization has ever presented a single vehicle to me for consideration.

I filed a complaint with Ford Motor Company and they responded with a form letter.

DO yourself a favor and stay far away from THE FORD MOTOR COMPANY, COURTESY FORD CONYERS and Coutersy LINCOLN in Decatur.

Dan

Mableton, Georgia
U.S.A.


4 Updates & Rebuttals

Dan

Mableton,
Georgia,
U.S.A.
It's About Character

#2Author of original report

Mon, April 17, 2006

I am not one who believes that being dishonest is "just business". A Man by definition is one who doesn't bully, cheat, or deceive for his personal gain. I guess there are very few of those type of men left in the business sector. I have decided that I will not worry about this issue any longer and let Mr Morris do what ever he feels convicted to.


Dan

Mableton,
Georgia,
U.S.A.
CERTIFIED Means that the car has already been inspected

#3Consumer Comment

Thu, April 13, 2006

San Diego Firm Files Class Action Suit Against Ford Certified LOS ANGELES (June 27, 2005) -- A San Diego law firm recently filed a class action suit against Ford Motor Co., claiming its certified program is allegedly fraudulent. The firm, McClellan & Gomez, source alleged deceptive practices by at least one dealer and alleged lack of Ford involvement in its certified program as reasons for filing the suit. The suit was filed June 23, in Los Angeles Superior Court against Ford Motor Co. and Claremont Ford, of Los Angeles. One of three law firms involved as counsel in the suit, said Ford promoted its certified vehicles by saying, "If it's not certified, it's just used." "In fact, they are all used," Gomez said. "Unbeknownst to consumers who decide to purchase CPO vehicles, the inspection conducted on the vehicles is the same inspection that technicians perform on all used vehicles, whether they are part of the CPO program or not." According to the class action suit, the purpose of marketing certified vehicles as certified is to give consumers peace of mind that the vehicle has undergone a rigorous inspection and is being certified by the manufacturer. At Ford dealerships, consumers receive a certificate signed by Steve Lyons, president of the Ford Division, which congratulates the new owner on his new certified purchase and assures them that the vehicle passed a series of thorough inspections to verify that it meets or exceeds all program standards and quality commitments. The lawsuit states that the inspection conducted on Ford certified vehicles is the same inspection that technicians perform on all of Ford's used vehicles, which is allegedly not disclosed to consumers who pay more than $1,000 extra for a certified vehicle. The suit alleges that the defendants' failure to disclose that the inspection process is the same for all used vehicles, whether in the certified program or not, makes Ford's certified program "unfair and deceptive." "Consumers shouldn't have to ask detailed questions about vehicle history, acquisition, inspection, previous damage, guarantees and warrantees before purchasing a CPO vehicle," Gomez concluded.


Marc

Makaha,
Hawaii,
U.S.A.
Dan, you may not be so bad off.

#4Consumer Comment

Thu, April 13, 2006

I understand your anger, but perhaps the dealer didn't know the car had been wrecked. I know a repair shop that routinely sells wrecked cars to dealers, and they never have a clue that the car was once wrecked. Some states excuse dealers, others don't. Some states require a title be stamped as salvage, and re-certified as safe to sell, but the state doesn't always know either. You'll have to check this out with your state. Otherwise, you've lost resale value, but that will only matter when you sell it. The car isn't a junker just because it's been in an accident. Amazing repair work is available these days, so as long as the car runs well, just drive it. The warranty that used-car dealers sell is total crap. Save your money and find a reliable mechanic to take care of the car.


Dave

Jacksonville,
Florida,
U.S.A.
Do yourself a favor

#5Consumer Comment

Wed, April 12, 2006

Stop believing everything you are told by a used car salesman! Always have the vehicle checked out yourself. Also, why in the world would you pay so much money for an extended warranty that only covered 1 year? You said you had 6 year warranty on the car already. The 7 year warranty is basically only good for 1 year, after your 6 year warranty expired.

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