Elonda
Batesville,#2REBUTTAL Owner of company
Fri, October 10, 2008
Michelle, do you even know what you are talking about yourself, you make NO sense in any of the emails or reports you write. As far as the puppy from Sheep Ranch kennel in Brazil YOU contacted me ranting and raving about the breeder that did the website on you, and TRIED to pull me in to your games by telling me you could help me get the RIDICULOUS site Jane Rich (whom by the way is not even breeding anymore) wrote about me taken down, I ignored your emails then and so glad I did, because everything you wrote to me (and I still have them all saved as well) made absolutely NO sense, You acted to me in those emails and phone calls like you were high on something because I could not make out one phone call or email. And have had other breeders tell me they thought the same about you. Now back to the puppy from Sheep Ranch Knaap Kennel, I told you that Rosana will not sell to just anyone, you have to go thru either me or another breeder in AZ before you can buy from her, try to contact her and see what she tells you, She will either send you to me or Tammi for approval, if you don't believe me go to her website and notice the contact names at the top of her front page for USA. I did have a puppy paid for in full with her and told you if you truly were interested I could see if Rosana would ship you the puppy and you could pay me, because at that time, I had enough dogs and it didn't matter to me if I got the puppy or if I sold her and Rosana told me if I wanted to sell her that was no problem with her. BUT I did get the puppy. The point is YOU contacted me, not the other way around. ALso for shipping 2 lb puppys... honey I have NEVER shipped a 2 lb puppy, I have not even had that many litters and the ones I have shipped have not been 2 lbs. You really need to stay out of others business, I basically tried to tell you that when you kept contacting me about the site Jane Rich wrote about me, that I do not even care about because I know the whole purpose for that site was Jane getting even with me after I exposed her for the JUNK she sold me for high $'s. but I am LONG past that, selling my puppies, as they will continue to sell themselves. Neither Jane nor anyone else has ever stopped me from selling or buying nice dogs. Now I will not respond to any more of your crap, I just wanted to clarifly the deal about Sheep Ranch Knapp Kennel.
Michelle
Mobile,#3Consumer Suggestion
Tue, October 07, 2008
I am here prove it I can if a web site is written about you and untrue You can clear your name if innocent which makes me wonder even after speaking too ms. womack about her web site mine was michellesainz.com and another one anyway the point is why didn't she stop Jane's alleged abuse ? I was stalked and victimized by a breeder in upper Al. I backed out of a deal w/ her and her previous experience with a well known al. breeder with hunt kennel system Big time puppy depot but too each its on anyway the big breeder got sued by my web site designer of michellesainz.com and michelle-sainz.com I will say this the breeder that wrote the web sites lost too the big breeder. I think that the woman who wrote the 2 web sites against myself was sick and also posed as me several times on this site and she found out who I bought a local shih-tzu from and I said a couple if thingss too sherry about this Mobile breeder and you know what hit fan. Now back to Elondawomack She got in touch w/ me trying to sell me a shih-tzu from sheep knapp kennel where I could purchase on emyself but insisted I send her the money and she would make arrangemnts for the shih-tzu to be shipped from over seas the woman at sheep knapp owed elonda a shih-tzu. ok I bred 4 times and decided I love the shih-tzu but as pets not a commodity though we need breeders so nothing wrong w/ breeders. Just the stalking kind. I have emails from elondawomack if anyone needs these. I am very disappointed in you Elonda with pics of your Tzus by the pool and all the while these accusations Are they true Elonda? Could someone be this inhumane? I have spoken to Danielle and Find her to be upright and trustworthy from what I know from a couple of emails and phone calls . so this is my 2 cents if needed Elonda you made shih-tzu fly @ maybe 2 pounds and all the while only too send back to pick up God knows what diseases to our beloved Shih-tzu if this is true shame on you,
Susan
LINCOLN,#4Consumer Suggestion
Fri, October 03, 2008
Here is some additional information on Elonda Womack on a site that is for her posted by Jane Rich This web site is about and for Elonda Womack. This is not a "breeder war". Elonda Womack is not a breeder, but it appears that she intends to become a breeder. As far as I know, she has some very nice dogs. I have no problem with anybody selling dogs to Elonda, buying dogs from Elonda, or doing business with Elonda. This is a free country. However, I DO have a problem with Elonda which is explained here and is the point and purpose of this website. This is my attempt to neutralize Elonda's effect. This is in no way an attempt to hurt Elonda. It is, however, an attempt to STOP Elonda. Elonda is a woman in Indiana who has spent the last 17 months badgering, stalking, and harrassing me and perhaps dozens of other breeders. Elonda has engaged in a campaign of defamation of character, intentional infliction of emotional distress, libel, slander, and intentional interference with my business. She has threatened me. She has put me in the hospital once. It is with enormous difficulty that I have refrained from reacting and responding to her these many months. I am not going to tolerate this any longer. Elonda is attempting to present herself as a "victim". See her web site at http://classypawsshihtzu.com/. Nothing could be further from the truth. I have been in this business for over 30 years. Many of you have known me for that long and know that I have always been honest, ethical, and highly respected in the breeding and show community. I have never had a formal complaint filed by anybody anywhere and I have always handled any problems promptly, courteously, and kindly. This web site is not my style, as you all well know. But I am at my wit's end with this woman. She has affected my health, my reputation, my business, my friends and most importantly of all, she has stolen a great deal of my time which I resent bitterly as I don't have a whole lot of that left! Rich Kennels is a very upscale breeding facility with magnificent dogs. My husband and I have worked hard all of our lives and we still work 12 to 18 hours a day. We have put our hearts and souls and a lot of money in this business and we produce the finest puppies available and I don't think anybody would dispute that. We supply breeding stock to the best breeders in the country, show dogs to the show community, and wonderful pets to many loving pet homes. I am 61 years old and in failing health and my dear husband is 72 years old and is the kindest, gentlest man I have ever known. We do not deserve this from Elonda. Neither do the countless other breeders she has attacked and threatened and attempted to destroy. Out of concern and compassion for all of you other breeders, I posted a caution on my web site about Elonda in November of 2005. Many of you rely on my judgment and counsel and I know you all trust me to be honest with you. Therefore, I felt obligated to post my warning. The more time that has gone by with Elonda's activity, the more I think I should have told you more. You may now look at all this for yourselves and draw your own conclusions as I have decided to let Elonda speak for herself. I have tried to present this in good, chronological order. All of the statements in red are Elonda's words. I have not edited, corrected, or changed any of this in any way. Everything is published in it's entirety and nothing is presented out of context. All errors in spelling, grammar, and sentence structure are hers. I have included everything to the best of my ability. The statements in black italics are mine. I am personally responsible for publishing this website and all of the content. Nobody else helped with it and nobody else was consulted about or authorized the content or the publication of this information. This is entirely Jane Rich and only Jane Rich. In a nutshell, I sold a dog to Elonda in February, 2005. She ASSURED me was not a breeder, and was never going to be a breeder. She wanted a Pocket Puppy as a companion for her other tiny dog. Period. In April, 2005, she decided the dog was no longer suitable as she wanted to breed. I was horrified. She began her campaign at that point and has not let up since. You will see that I sold Elonda a dog which was exactly as I represented..but you can follow all of that for yourselves. There is probably more stuff here than you have time to read, but if you are interested, get a glass of iced tea and put your feet up and read away! I am sure that this publication will set Elonda off like a loose cannon again, but as you can see, NOT doing anything didn't work, so let's try this. I am gathering names and data for a possible class action suit against Elonda, so all of you who expressed interest in this in the past are welcome to contact me. I have not made a final decision on this yet. If I do it, I will personally bear the expense, so feel free to join in if you, too, have been her victim. Once again, I caution ALL of you not to do to each other what Elonda has done to us . No good can come of it and people often get hurt. Watch each other's backs! If someone has a problem, help fix it if you can. Make every effort to educate and help the new people and always treat each other with respect and in a civilized manner. This domain name, www.ElondaWomack.com, is for sale to an approved buyer for $10,000. Please contact me if you are interested. Click on the buttons to the left to start your journey through this maze of emails and words from Elonda. The latest emails from her will be at the end of the last page (page 7).. be sure to catch those! There will be comments included on Elonda's emails from now on starting with the publication of this website on 5-17-06. My comments will be published with her email in black italics.. go to the end of page 7. I call your particular attention to the following which you must be sure not to miss To read the rest www.elondawomack.com
Susan
LINCOLN,#5Consumer Suggestion
Fri, October 03, 2008
Here is some additional information on Elonda Womack on a site that is for her posted by Jane Rich This web site is about and for Elonda Womack. This is not a "breeder war". Elonda Womack is not a breeder, but it appears that she intends to become a breeder. As far as I know, she has some very nice dogs. I have no problem with anybody selling dogs to Elonda, buying dogs from Elonda, or doing business with Elonda. This is a free country. However, I DO have a problem with Elonda which is explained here and is the point and purpose of this website. This is my attempt to neutralize Elonda's effect. This is in no way an attempt to hurt Elonda. It is, however, an attempt to STOP Elonda. Elonda is a woman in Indiana who has spent the last 17 months badgering, stalking, and harrassing me and perhaps dozens of other breeders. Elonda has engaged in a campaign of defamation of character, intentional infliction of emotional distress, libel, slander, and intentional interference with my business. She has threatened me. She has put me in the hospital once. It is with enormous difficulty that I have refrained from reacting and responding to her these many months. I am not going to tolerate this any longer. Elonda is attempting to present herself as a "victim". See her web site at http://classypawsshihtzu.com/. Nothing could be further from the truth. I have been in this business for over 30 years. Many of you have known me for that long and know that I have always been honest, ethical, and highly respected in the breeding and show community. I have never had a formal complaint filed by anybody anywhere and I have always handled any problems promptly, courteously, and kindly. This web site is not my style, as you all well know. But I am at my wit's end with this woman. She has affected my health, my reputation, my business, my friends and most importantly of all, she has stolen a great deal of my time which I resent bitterly as I don't have a whole lot of that left! Rich Kennels is a very upscale breeding facility with magnificent dogs. My husband and I have worked hard all of our lives and we still work 12 to 18 hours a day. We have put our hearts and souls and a lot of money in this business and we produce the finest puppies available and I don't think anybody would dispute that. We supply breeding stock to the best breeders in the country, show dogs to the show community, and wonderful pets to many loving pet homes. I am 61 years old and in failing health and my dear husband is 72 years old and is the kindest, gentlest man I have ever known. We do not deserve this from Elonda. Neither do the countless other breeders she has attacked and threatened and attempted to destroy. Out of concern and compassion for all of you other breeders, I posted a caution on my web site about Elonda in November of 2005. Many of you rely on my judgment and counsel and I know you all trust me to be honest with you. Therefore, I felt obligated to post my warning. The more time that has gone by with Elonda's activity, the more I think I should have told you more. You may now look at all this for yourselves and draw your own conclusions as I have decided to let Elonda speak for herself. I have tried to present this in good, chronological order. All of the statements in red are Elonda's words. I have not edited, corrected, or changed any of this in any way. Everything is published in it's entirety and nothing is presented out of context. All errors in spelling, grammar, and sentence structure are hers. I have included everything to the best of my ability. The statements in black italics are mine. I am personally responsible for publishing this website and all of the content. Nobody else helped with it and nobody else was consulted about or authorized the content or the publication of this information. This is entirely Jane Rich and only Jane Rich. In a nutshell, I sold a dog to Elonda in February, 2005. She ASSURED me was not a breeder, and was never going to be a breeder. She wanted a Pocket Puppy as a companion for her other tiny dog. Period. In April, 2005, she decided the dog was no longer suitable as she wanted to breed. I was horrified. She began her campaign at that point and has not let up since. You will see that I sold Elonda a dog which was exactly as I represented..but you can follow all of that for yourselves. There is probably more stuff here than you have time to read, but if you are interested, get a glass of iced tea and put your feet up and read away! I am sure that this publication will set Elonda off like a loose cannon again, but as you can see, NOT doing anything didn't work, so let's try this. I am gathering names and data for a possible class action suit against Elonda, so all of you who expressed interest in this in the past are welcome to contact me. I have not made a final decision on this yet. If I do it, I will personally bear the expense, so feel free to join in if you, too, have been her victim. Once again, I caution ALL of you not to do to each other what Elonda has done to us . No good can come of it and people often get hurt. Watch each other's backs! If someone has a problem, help fix it if you can. Make every effort to educate and help the new people and always treat each other with respect and in a civilized manner. This domain name, www.ElondaWomack.com, is for sale to an approved buyer for $10,000. Please contact me if you are interested. Click on the buttons to the left to start your journey through this maze of emails and words from Elonda. The latest emails from her will be at the end of the last page (page 7).. be sure to catch those! There will be comments included on Elonda's emails from now on starting with the publication of this website on 5-17-06. My comments will be published with her email in black italics.. go to the end of page 7. I call your particular attention to the following which you must be sure not to miss To read the rest www.elondawomack.com
Susan
LINCOLN,#6Consumer Suggestion
Fri, October 03, 2008
Here is some additional information on Elonda Womack on a site that is for her posted by Jane Rich This web site is about and for Elonda Womack. This is not a "breeder war". Elonda Womack is not a breeder, but it appears that she intends to become a breeder. As far as I know, she has some very nice dogs. I have no problem with anybody selling dogs to Elonda, buying dogs from Elonda, or doing business with Elonda. This is a free country. However, I DO have a problem with Elonda which is explained here and is the point and purpose of this website. This is my attempt to neutralize Elonda's effect. This is in no way an attempt to hurt Elonda. It is, however, an attempt to STOP Elonda. Elonda is a woman in Indiana who has spent the last 17 months badgering, stalking, and harrassing me and perhaps dozens of other breeders. Elonda has engaged in a campaign of defamation of character, intentional infliction of emotional distress, libel, slander, and intentional interference with my business. She has threatened me. She has put me in the hospital once. It is with enormous difficulty that I have refrained from reacting and responding to her these many months. I am not going to tolerate this any longer. Elonda is attempting to present herself as a "victim". See her web site at http://classypawsshihtzu.com/. Nothing could be further from the truth. I have been in this business for over 30 years. Many of you have known me for that long and know that I have always been honest, ethical, and highly respected in the breeding and show community. I have never had a formal complaint filed by anybody anywhere and I have always handled any problems promptly, courteously, and kindly. This web site is not my style, as you all well know. But I am at my wit's end with this woman. She has affected my health, my reputation, my business, my friends and most importantly of all, she has stolen a great deal of my time which I resent bitterly as I don't have a whole lot of that left! Rich Kennels is a very upscale breeding facility with magnificent dogs. My husband and I have worked hard all of our lives and we still work 12 to 18 hours a day. We have put our hearts and souls and a lot of money in this business and we produce the finest puppies available and I don't think anybody would dispute that. We supply breeding stock to the best breeders in the country, show dogs to the show community, and wonderful pets to many loving pet homes. I am 61 years old and in failing health and my dear husband is 72 years old and is the kindest, gentlest man I have ever known. We do not deserve this from Elonda. Neither do the countless other breeders she has attacked and threatened and attempted to destroy. Out of concern and compassion for all of you other breeders, I posted a caution on my web site about Elonda in November of 2005. Many of you rely on my judgment and counsel and I know you all trust me to be honest with you. Therefore, I felt obligated to post my warning. The more time that has gone by with Elonda's activity, the more I think I should have told you more. You may now look at all this for yourselves and draw your own conclusions as I have decided to let Elonda speak for herself. I have tried to present this in good, chronological order. All of the statements in red are Elonda's words. I have not edited, corrected, or changed any of this in any way. Everything is published in it's entirety and nothing is presented out of context. All errors in spelling, grammar, and sentence structure are hers. I have included everything to the best of my ability. The statements in black italics are mine. I am personally responsible for publishing this website and all of the content. Nobody else helped with it and nobody else was consulted about or authorized the content or the publication of this information. This is entirely Jane Rich and only Jane Rich. In a nutshell, I sold a dog to Elonda in February, 2005. She ASSURED me was not a breeder, and was never going to be a breeder. She wanted a Pocket Puppy as a companion for her other tiny dog. Period. In April, 2005, she decided the dog was no longer suitable as she wanted to breed. I was horrified. She began her campaign at that point and has not let up since. You will see that I sold Elonda a dog which was exactly as I represented..but you can follow all of that for yourselves. There is probably more stuff here than you have time to read, but if you are interested, get a glass of iced tea and put your feet up and read away! I am sure that this publication will set Elonda off like a loose cannon again, but as you can see, NOT doing anything didn't work, so let's try this. I am gathering names and data for a possible class action suit against Elonda, so all of you who expressed interest in this in the past are welcome to contact me. I have not made a final decision on this yet. If I do it, I will personally bear the expense, so feel free to join in if you, too, have been her victim. Once again, I caution ALL of you not to do to each other what Elonda has done to us . No good can come of it and people often get hurt. Watch each other's backs! If someone has a problem, help fix it if you can. Make every effort to educate and help the new people and always treat each other with respect and in a civilized manner. This domain name, www.ElondaWomack.com, is for sale to an approved buyer for $10,000. Please contact me if you are interested. Click on the buttons to the left to start your journey through this maze of emails and words from Elonda. The latest emails from her will be at the end of the last page (page 7).. be sure to catch those! There will be comments included on Elonda's emails from now on starting with the publication of this website on 5-17-06. My comments will be published with her email in black italics.. go to the end of page 7. I call your particular attention to the following which you must be sure not to miss To read the rest www.elondawomack.com
Susan
LINCOLN,#7Consumer Suggestion
Fri, October 03, 2008
Here is some additional information on Elonda Womack on a site that is for her posted by Jane Rich This web site is about and for Elonda Womack. This is not a "breeder war". Elonda Womack is not a breeder, but it appears that she intends to become a breeder. As far as I know, she has some very nice dogs. I have no problem with anybody selling dogs to Elonda, buying dogs from Elonda, or doing business with Elonda. This is a free country. However, I DO have a problem with Elonda which is explained here and is the point and purpose of this website. This is my attempt to neutralize Elonda's effect. This is in no way an attempt to hurt Elonda. It is, however, an attempt to STOP Elonda. Elonda is a woman in Indiana who has spent the last 17 months badgering, stalking, and harrassing me and perhaps dozens of other breeders. Elonda has engaged in a campaign of defamation of character, intentional infliction of emotional distress, libel, slander, and intentional interference with my business. She has threatened me. She has put me in the hospital once. It is with enormous difficulty that I have refrained from reacting and responding to her these many months. I am not going to tolerate this any longer. Elonda is attempting to present herself as a "victim". See her web site at http://classypawsshihtzu.com/. Nothing could be further from the truth. I have been in this business for over 30 years. Many of you have known me for that long and know that I have always been honest, ethical, and highly respected in the breeding and show community. I have never had a formal complaint filed by anybody anywhere and I have always handled any problems promptly, courteously, and kindly. This web site is not my style, as you all well know. But I am at my wit's end with this woman. She has affected my health, my reputation, my business, my friends and most importantly of all, she has stolen a great deal of my time which I resent bitterly as I don't have a whole lot of that left! Rich Kennels is a very upscale breeding facility with magnificent dogs. My husband and I have worked hard all of our lives and we still work 12 to 18 hours a day. We have put our hearts and souls and a lot of money in this business and we produce the finest puppies available and I don't think anybody would dispute that. We supply breeding stock to the best breeders in the country, show dogs to the show community, and wonderful pets to many loving pet homes. I am 61 years old and in failing health and my dear husband is 72 years old and is the kindest, gentlest man I have ever known. We do not deserve this from Elonda. Neither do the countless other breeders she has attacked and threatened and attempted to destroy. Out of concern and compassion for all of you other breeders, I posted a caution on my web site about Elonda in November of 2005. Many of you rely on my judgment and counsel and I know you all trust me to be honest with you. Therefore, I felt obligated to post my warning. The more time that has gone by with Elonda's activity, the more I think I should have told you more. You may now look at all this for yourselves and draw your own conclusions as I have decided to let Elonda speak for herself. I have tried to present this in good, chronological order. All of the statements in red are Elonda's words. I have not edited, corrected, or changed any of this in any way. Everything is published in it's entirety and nothing is presented out of context. All errors in spelling, grammar, and sentence structure are hers. I have included everything to the best of my ability. The statements in black italics are mine. I am personally responsible for publishing this website and all of the content. Nobody else helped with it and nobody else was consulted about or authorized the content or the publication of this information. This is entirely Jane Rich and only Jane Rich. In a nutshell, I sold a dog to Elonda in February, 2005. She ASSURED me was not a breeder, and was never going to be a breeder. She wanted a Pocket Puppy as a companion for her other tiny dog. Period. In April, 2005, she decided the dog was no longer suitable as she wanted to breed. I was horrified. She began her campaign at that point and has not let up since. You will see that I sold Elonda a dog which was exactly as I represented..but you can follow all of that for yourselves. There is probably more stuff here than you have time to read, but if you are interested, get a glass of iced tea and put your feet up and read away! I am sure that this publication will set Elonda off like a loose cannon again, but as you can see, NOT doing anything didn't work, so let's try this. I am gathering names and data for a possible class action suit against Elonda, so all of you who expressed interest in this in the past are welcome to contact me. I have not made a final decision on this yet. If I do it, I will personally bear the expense, so feel free to join in if you, too, have been her victim. Once again, I caution ALL of you not to do to each other what Elonda has done to us . No good can come of it and people often get hurt. Watch each other's backs! If someone has a problem, help fix it if you can. Make every effort to educate and help the new people and always treat each other with respect and in a civilized manner. This domain name, www.ElondaWomack.com, is for sale to an approved buyer for $10,000. Please contact me if you are interested. Click on the buttons to the left to start your journey through this maze of emails and words from Elonda. The latest emails from her will be at the end of the last page (page 7).. be sure to catch those! There will be comments included on Elonda's emails from now on starting with the publication of this website on 5-17-06. My comments will be published with her email in black italics.. go to the end of page 7. I call your particular attention to the following which you must be sure not to miss To read the rest www.elondawomack.com
Elonda
Batesville,#8REBUTTAL Individual responds
Fri, July 25, 2008
Mary just how can someone file a report on someone and call them names etc, when you don't know them nor have you ever bought or sold a dog to me, YOU need to grow up and stop posting for your friends (ie, Laura Burns) I have NEVEr done business with you and as far as the "other" breeders you are "saying" I have had problems with, Well, if you call not letting people take advantage and steal my money, "problems" then I guess so be it. I will not allow that to happen, not now and not ever
Mary
Twin Falls,#9Consumer Suggestion
Mon, July 14, 2008
Elonda has a history of scamming breeders since she started purchasing Shih Tzus a few years back. Her reputation continues and grows worse with each year and more breeders that she has scammed. Breeders BEWARE of ELONDA WOMACK From BATESVILLE INDIANA. MAJOR SCAM , LIAR, AND CON ARTIST. She has tried to scam over 20, YES 20 breeders to date (and the list is growing!) She tries to return puppies just as soon as she receives them or longer. She then tries to make money on the deals because she uses her American Express, and when she files a complaint through American Express they will credit her account without even doing an investigation. She then demands cash back from the breeder. She then threatens with filing a lawsuit if her demands are not met. If you do not comply with her demands she will try to discredit your name by posting ads on various websites.
Elonda
Batesville,#10REBUTTAL Individual responds
Thu, November 17, 2005
LAB REPORTS PROVE THIS DOG IS NOT HEALTHY, THAT IS ALL I NEED AND WOULD BE HAPPY TO SHARE THEM WITH ANYONE THAT WOULD LIKE TO READ THEM. IT IS NOT MY RESPONSIBILITY TO SPEND HUNDREDS MORE DOLLARS ONLY TO FIND OUT IN THE END THIS DOG IS NOT GOING TO LIVE A NORMAL LIFE, I AM DONE PLAYING YOUR CHILDISH GAMES, AS THIS HAS BEEN DONE WAY TO MANY TIMES IN THE PAST BY THE SAME ONES THAT ARE CAUSING ME PROBLEMS, SO MOVE ON TO SOMEONE ELSE. YOU ARE NOT DRAGGING ME INTO YOUR MISERABLE LIFE.
Danielle
Oxford,#11Consumer Comment
Tue, November 15, 2005
Elonda has done nothing but cause trouble for many honest and reputable breeders. The dog that Elonda refers to as "the sick dog" has never been proven to be sick. It is these types of claims that she uses to be able to return a perfectly healthy puppy when she changes her mind. I have many emails from many breeders that she has also harassed in this manner. I would be glad to share them with anyone interested in seeing them.
Elonda
Batesville,#12REBUTTAL Individual responds
Mon, November 14, 2005
The sick dog and all vet reports have been returned to the original owner, dog was shipped at MY EXPENSE, which i was told I did not have to do, on 11/11/05. All paperwork pertaining to her, was mailed to the orignial owner by certified mail on 11/12/05 as there was no mail on 11/11/05. These breeders are still putting up their harrassing things about me saying the dog has not been returned yet. that is simply a lie, do not trust a thing that they say. many have been burned doing so.