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  • Report:  #803079

Complaint Review: Grand Canyon University - Phoenix Arizona

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4.0 and nowhere to go - Cave Creek, Arizona, United States of America
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Grand Canyon University
3112 W. Camelback Road Phoenix, Arizona, United States of America
Phone:
1-877-658-7705
Web:
https://www.gcu.edu/lp/ppc1110mesquite/brand/?mkwid=sRWgyYqSj&pcrid=10038729200&kwd=grand%20canyon%2
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I attended this school online from Spring of 2009 to the fall of 2011, in order to get a Master's degree in Special Education. I completed all requirements, despite having to deal with indifference, incompetence and dishonesty from several different departments. I have a 4.0 and exemplary references/reviews from all of the teachers I completed practicums or student teaching with.

Several times, in order for people in departments such as Field Experience to do their job, I had to drive down to the campus and speak to the department heads in person. If I had been in another state, I would not have been able to get any placements for practicums or student teaching. I was told by the department head that "worker A" could not return phone calls or emails for weeks because "she had an illness in her family" when her replacement, "worker B" also failed to return emails or phone calls, months later, I again drove down there, and was given the same exact excuse.

The personnel changes are really amazing, I have lost count of how many academic advisers and finance counselors I have had since I started.

My online professors (they call them course facilitators) ran the gamut from absolutely useless to dedicated and gifted.

The quality of education here is lacking. All of the schools where I completed my practicums had extremely low expectations of me if they had any prior experience with other students from this school. I was plagiarized by classmates who couldn't even write on an eighth grade level, let alone at a graduate level. Lesson plans which garnered "A's" in my class were useless in the real world. I was delayed a semester in getting my student teaching placement because the office of field experience didn't feel like processing my application, since they felt they had too much work to do (I am not making this up).

Finally, after fighting issue after issue at this place, I finished with a 4.0, only to be told, three weeks from graduating, that since they had rejected much of my federal financial aid, and sent some of it that I had already received back to the government, that I needed to come up with $2156.00. They pulled this scam on a number of my classmates, with surprise bills ranging from 1 to over 4 thousand dollars. There were six people in my class of about 17 who contacted me and told me that this had been done to them. The school lied to me for months, and were very condescending. They told me my balance would be taken care of, and it would have been if they hadn't played games with my student loan money. I was told, as are many of the victims of this particular scam, that they awarded me too much money the year before. Once they had my $150.00 graduation fee, they decided to tell me that they needed a "student contribution" in order for me to graduate.

The reason they do this to hundreds, if not thousands of students is that they are trying to hide the true cost of going there by shifting the debt burden from student loans, which the government is scrutinizing right now, to other debt forms, such as credit cards. They do this at the very end, when you are desperate to finish up. If they were truly Christians, they would not treat people this way. If they were a legitimate university, they wouldn't have to stoop to such shifty methods. The financial counselor I had, three or four financial counselors ago told me that the school deliberately cut student loan money in people's last semester on purpose, in order to "minimize the student loan debt people were graduating with."

I have degrees from other schools where I also received financial aid, I have never seen such behavior. I may not be able to get my hard earned degree, which is a disaster for me. I hope at least that I can warn other potential victims away from this school.

If you are planning to graduate from this school, ignore whatever they tell you, and have thousands of dollars on hand for the last minute shakedown. They will deny it and deny it until they have you where they want you. If you can get out of this school, do so. If you are looking for an online school, I suggest you keep looking. I read multiple posts and emails from other students in my classes who have been poorly treated by this university, which appears to care only for stockholders, and not its students.


3 Updates & Rebuttals

4.0 and nowhere to go

Cave Creek,
Arizona,
United States of America
Problem resolved

#2Author of original report

Thu, March 22, 2012

I made one last phone call to Grand Canyon University, and spoke to another Financial Aid Adviser, who passed this on to her supervisor. I did not have very high hopes that anything would happen, but a few days ago I went to the post office, and to my utter shock and amazement, Grand Canyon had sent me my diploma and an official transcript. This was prior to the balance being wiped out by the bankruptcy, since it still shows as being owed. I am very grateful for them finally resolving this issue.

I still would not recommend Grand Canyon's online education program, due to the problems I discussed in the two earlier posts, but I want to give credit where credit is due.

If this school wants to align itself with actual Christian values, then all of their operations need to follow them. Those who work for the school need to be dedicated to what they are doing, not simply doing the least amount that they can get away with.

Supervisors need to hold themselves and their departments accountable, not make excuses for people who do not do their jobs. This is enabling. 

The finance adviser who informed me that I suddenly had a $2156.44 bill actually ridiculed me on the phone, when I asked her how I was supposed to pay the bill. This is not acceptable behavior. 

The law firm representing the university sent me a letter which was misleading and dishonest, in an attempt to get me to make an agreement which would have made the debt non-dischargeable.

My graduating was delayed for one semester because the office of field experience did not want to honor their word about processing applications. Receiving my degree was delayed a further 3 months because of the financial aid debacle. That's nine months I could have been working full time. This would have made filing for bankruptcy unnecessary.

Grades were based on the generation of essays. All of my lesson plans needed to be completely redone from the ground up in order to be useful in my classrooms. I received no meaningful direction or guidance from the school. However, I was very much blessed with the many talented teachers who I got to work with in the public schools.


4.0 and nowhere to go

Cave Creek,
Arizona,
United States of America
Do not fall for this trick by Scam Canyon University

#3Author of original report

Fri, February 10, 2012

Due in part to their making it impossible to graduate because of the surprise bill they gave me just before I was to graduate, I have had to file for bankruptcy. This so called  "university" is trying to get out of releasing my transcripts by claiming (only to me, they haven't filed anything with the court.) that such a bill is non dischargeable under Federal law, because it's a student loan. I know from conversations with staff, and with doing a little bit of research that this debt does not qualify as a student loan. In order to try and change this, both the lawyer and the school keep calling me, trying to get me to make some kind of "payment arrangement."

Whatever you do, DO NOT MAKE ANY PAYMENT AGREEMENT IF YOU HAVE AN OUTSTANDING BALANCE WITH THIS OR ANY SCHOOL. Because if you ever file for bankruptcy, your balance  goes from being a dischargeable debt to being a student loan, which is non dischargeable. Pretty crafty. Not terribly Christian.

I wish I had a time machine to go back to when I decided to attend this place. I wish I had never heard of them. They need to exchange the cross on their logo with a big dollar sign. Their slogan should read:

Scam Canyon University-
Find Your Purpose  yourself another program, and fast!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Justin Doug

Grand Canyon,
Arizona,
United States of America
Grand Canyon University Hall of Shame

#4UPDATE EX-employee responds

Fri, December 30, 2011

How would you like to say that you graduated from a "university"  that was sued by the United States Department of Education for fraud?

Read on:  http://www.azcentral.com/business/articles/2010/08/18/20100818biz-grandcanyon0819.html

Grand Canyon University was sued by the United States Department of Education for fraud.

Grand Canyon University fires their conscientiousness professors who pass out legitimate grades.  I know.  I was one of them.

I now work for the "Big Guys"  (a respectable online university) and I am so much happier.  I get to actually assist my students and help them to learn.

Every now and then I check here on Rip Off Reports to see what is "new" with Grand Canyon "University."  I feel sorry for all of you who have been involved with this "university."

I would encourage you to report your complaints to the United States Department of Education.


~A

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