Shaun
Auburn,#2Consumer Comment
Tue, September 27, 2005
I'm not at all trying to make a point that people should stay away from banks. And yes, while I know that my experience is not unique, I do know that M&T is a credible bank. Most people probably don't experience what I go through. I should have pointed out, however, that I am not a typical customer. I'm in the bank once a month and move large amounts of cash. I have no problems with the bank tellers (other than the new ones who don't know the systems yet. I usually get inaccurate info from them.) My only probablem is that I cannot deal with a sluggish bank system when I move almost $20,000 a month through the bank. Since I have been with M&T, I've moved well over $150,000 through them. Most of the time, I have no problems with them. But, when 10 or 12 purchases go through despite the fact that there aparently is not money to cover them, then this is a problem. I can deal with the 350 dollars in fees. This is the first time that I have been hit with that much. What I cannot deal with is the fact that I now also have fees from companies claiming that I have ripped them off totalling well over a thousand dollars. I know that I should be keeping my bank register up to date, and after this I will be. But, don't group me in with people who don't understand the system. I have dealt with many banks and have moved hundreds of thousands of dollars since I got my first accounts when I was 10. (Also, I'll admit the large amounts of moneys didn't start moving till I was 18). I'm not bragging or anything. It's just that having dealt with some other, much larger banks, I tend to expect more from people that are holding onto my money. I have no gripe with Ken for posting his rebuttal. I just thought that I should clarify my position. I probablly should have waited a little while before posting the report as well. I was somewhat angry when I did it. But, in any case, good job Ken. You do make some valid points.
Ken
Randolph,#3Consumer Comment
Mon, September 26, 2005
Shaun illustrates the problems which happen when a consumer is not educated in how the system works. Since he doesn't keep track of his own balance, he relies on the online balance, which he rightly notes is rarely correct. The bank has no way of knowing what checks are outstanding, so right off the bat he is screwed is he uses that balance. But beyond that, when he uses his debit card a hold is placed against his account. His money 'disappears'. If the merchant does not process the charge in a timely manner, the hold is automatically dropped. The money is back in his balance... but he still has the outstanding charge. Finally, the charge clears, and the money 'disappears' again, and he is overdrawn because he spent it twice. If a consumer is keeping track of his or her own balance, there is no need to rely on internet or atm balances, you KNOW what you have in the account. With this knowlege, you should be able to view an online balance and see that it is correct, except for the purchase I made which hasn't cleared yet. That's their purpose, not to eliminate the check register. From this viewpoint the bank hasn't done anything deceptive or illegal, but they are guilty, as most big banks are, of not educating the consumer before they let them have a debit card.