Fired For 95.9% Accuracy
Rochester Hills,#2UPDATE EX-employee responds
Tue, July 15, 2008
In the near future those still working at Quicken will be called to a meeting and they will all be told they are being let go and that they need their badges and they will send them their personal items. No severance just close the doors. I too was at Quicken,for 3 years, and was let go in March for having a 95.9% audit rating, but that was too low - I should have had a 96% - funny thing was they changed the points on the audit findings the month I was let go, and they 9 audits before I left that all were 100%. And it was funny because I wasn't really upset to be let go, it meant no more 60 hour work weeks or working every Saturday. Since on the outside and interviewing I have found out that it is actually in their business plan to have the average stay of the employee be 3 years or less. Today I had a call from another let go employee, who stayed another 4 months before being escorted out of the building like a criminal, for excessive use of Vacation and sick time. (they earned it, but I guess you aren't allowed to use it) Dan made a bold statement when he met with Kwame a year or so ago, about Quicken moving downtown, "Quicken has never had a layoff", and they haven't. They just make your life miserable or they fire you for being late, making a personal call, or having to take family leave because your mother is dying. But the joke is on Kwame, because Quicken has as of yet, made no commitments on property. They have been cut off from numerous lenders, and are being sued for fraud by all of the big lenders. If they last to the end of year, it will be a surprise. All the profit for the last few years has gone to pay for the Cavaliers. Dan's dream was alway to own a sports franchise, he tried to buy the Tigers, so he had to go to Cleveland and buy a 2nd rate team with one player. Last year in a phone call from Dan - he state that we would not receive an annual bonus because "the Cavaliers made the playoffs and have to pay $35 million in bonus's due the players." I did take advantage of Quickens generous tuition reimbursement and did receive my Masters in Business Leadership.But Quicken is not a place where they possess or teach good business practices. The company has never said why David Hall left, and there have been no lawsuits that have made the news, so he may have been let go because he refused to play their game anymore. All I know is that their method of selling is to teach the bankers how to intimidate the borrower and make them think they are giving them a great deal. In the end it is all abou the banker, nothing is ever said about "doing the right thing" for the Borrower. So beware, you will never get the sweet deal that they hooked you with on the phone. You will end up $500 poorer, and ruined credit while they tell you at the last minute that you loan is dead, and that you won't be getting a loan with them.
Newchange
Allen Park,#3Author of original report
Thu, July 10, 2008
Ok so I read your responses to my venting. And I really have to say is a lot of what you say is absolutely correct. The company does offer great benefits and getting any form of severance was nice even though it really was not much especially after the taxes. Bottom line I am forced in a position of utter fright of how to find a new position to take care of my children. Bottom line with Quicken, there was and still is a lot of BS and I am sure it is typical of any company. I do not regret reporting the employees for being deceitful and stealing from the company. It is wrong and I firmly believe still Quicken had every right to know. As far as being a coward- whatever. I did what I know was best for the company, and reporting them rather than calling them out to their faces definitely was the best thing to do given their tactics in dealing with anything life throws them. Since they believed it was someone else ont he team, they are doing everything possible to make her life pure hell. So you may think it cowardly and I believe it was bravery to make the company aware that theives are among them. I would do it all again if opportunity came because when us "whities" as you so thoughtfully put it, had to cover their lack of work because they werent there for the hours they were paid for to make deadlines and we had to work harder to retrain and cover for the lack of skill of the other. That is a plain and simple fact. Regardless how Quicken will deal with them is on them and side stepping any legal issues they would throw is just what them attorney's need to do. Bottom line when a company lets go of committed good workers and keep these lazy scamming losers employed is bad business. It doesnt help a company by keeping them on, and you bet that team is suffering now. I have heard about it and I know my old leaders are realizing much too late what they let go of. The only thing left to say is it probably was a good time for me to go as the situations were eatting away at me and I can better benefit another company with my commitment and drive. It is just sad to have lost that for Quicken and to have come to the reality that my life had to go through this hardship to get to the place I need will be eventually. In the end I will be better for it as anything in life worth anything takes hard times to appreciate the good. Thank you for pointing out your take on things.
Bobbysworld
Livonia,#4UPDATE Employee
Thu, July 10, 2008
I am a current employee and have seen many people lose their jobs recently. I hear you were offered a severence pay and extended benefits- that seems like a fair deal. The summer off with pay and insurance, nice. Quicken offers a lot of excellent perks even when in this market, the company does do more for the employee than most. Most of what you are saying in your tale of your experience is basic business practices for the most part and as you stated well the company side steps any opportunity possible to be sued. Can you blame them? Its a game really. I know exactly who you are referring to in IT and that situation seemed completely normal for this type of person. Seems like you have worked with a few of these types of people that use the system to their benefit. But they will be let go, its just a matter of having all the documentation in order. I really dont think you were let go because of anything other than being split between teams. Your position was apparantly unnecessary for the "best interest for the business" if you will. Face the fact that most minority terminations have to be well documented before implimenting their status change with the company. Basic business practices of using the system to positively affect our business. Quicken handles these situations well- so what will happen now is these "skeeves" as you say will have their files fattened with adequate reasonings for them to be fired, then they will be cut from the fat of the company. Not on another black friday (or Thursday depending on Media contact- LOL) when people need to be cut and offered anything for their beig let go due to the economy and market. Bottom line when they try to nail the company for unemployment, they will have to fight because causing their unemployment status will ultimately crusify them in gaining the free pay checks for 26 weeks. I am sure it will be beneifical to the company to NOT pay them unemployment because they failed to do the right thing. Another thing I have to point out is that being a snitch doesn't cause your being let go. You are on a team of people that you probably became buddies with and then instead of saying something to them about their actions, you hide behind some confidentiality and report them. Coward. Seems like you were intimidated by BS. If you cross one, you crossed them all and that is somewhat understandable. However what did reporting them do to benefit you? Sounds to me like you just became a disgruntled employee and needed to be sent on your way. People like you are a cancer and your actions and talk with other whities will just force garbage like this to spread and eat away at a caompany. Did you not learn anything from your leaders or were you too busy gossiping to really listen? Good luck- I am sure a person like you needs it.
Bobbysworld
Livonia,#5UPDATE Employee
Thu, July 10, 2008
I am a current employee and have seen many people lose their jobs recently. I hear you were offered a severence pay and extended benefits- that seems like a fair deal. The summer off with pay and insurance, nice. Quicken offers a lot of excellent perks even when in this market, the company does do more for the employee than most. Most of what you are saying in your tale of your experience is basic business practices for the most part and as you stated well the company side steps any opportunity possible to be sued. Can you blame them? Its a game really. I know exactly who you are referring to in IT and that situation seemed completely normal for this type of person. Seems like you have worked with a few of these types of people that use the system to their benefit. But they will be let go, its just a matter of having all the documentation in order. I really dont think you were let go because of anything other than being split between teams. Your position was apparantly unnecessary for the "best interest for the business" if you will. Face the fact that most minority terminations have to be well documented before implimenting their status change with the company. Basic business practices of using the system to positively affect our business. Quicken handles these situations well- so what will happen now is these "skeeves" as you say will have their files fattened with adequate reasonings for them to be fired, then they will be cut from the fat of the company. Not on another black friday (or Thursday depending on Media contact- LOL) when people need to be cut and offered anything for their beig let go due to the economy and market. Bottom line when they try to nail the company for unemployment, they will have to fight because causing their unemployment status will ultimately crusify them in gaining the free pay checks for 26 weeks. I am sure it will be beneifical to the company to NOT pay them unemployment because they failed to do the right thing. Another thing I have to point out is that being a snitch doesn't cause your being let go. You are on a team of people that you probably became buddies with and then instead of saying something to them about their actions, you hide behind some confidentiality and report them. Coward. Seems like you were intimidated by BS. If you cross one, you crossed them all and that is somewhat understandable. However what did reporting them do to benefit you? Sounds to me like you just became a disgruntled employee and needed to be sent on your way. People like you are a cancer and your actions and talk with other whities will just force garbage like this to spread and eat away at a caompany. Did you not learn anything from your leaders or were you too busy gossiping to really listen? Good luck- I am sure a person like you needs it.
Bobbysworld
Livonia,#6UPDATE Employee
Thu, July 10, 2008
I am a current employee and have seen many people lose their jobs recently. I hear you were offered a severence pay and extended benefits- that seems like a fair deal. The summer off with pay and insurance, nice. Quicken offers a lot of excellent perks even when in this market, the company does do more for the employee than most. Most of what you are saying in your tale of your experience is basic business practices for the most part and as you stated well the company side steps any opportunity possible to be sued. Can you blame them? Its a game really. I know exactly who you are referring to in IT and that situation seemed completely normal for this type of person. Seems like you have worked with a few of these types of people that use the system to their benefit. But they will be let go, its just a matter of having all the documentation in order. I really dont think you were let go because of anything other than being split between teams. Your position was apparantly unnecessary for the "best interest for the business" if you will. Face the fact that most minority terminations have to be well documented before implimenting their status change with the company. Basic business practices of using the system to positively affect our business. Quicken handles these situations well- so what will happen now is these "skeeves" as you say will have their files fattened with adequate reasonings for them to be fired, then they will be cut from the fat of the company. Not on another black friday (or Thursday depending on Media contact- LOL) when people need to be cut and offered anything for their beig let go due to the economy and market. Bottom line when they try to nail the company for unemployment, they will have to fight because causing their unemployment status will ultimately crusify them in gaining the free pay checks for 26 weeks. I am sure it will be beneifical to the company to NOT pay them unemployment because they failed to do the right thing. Another thing I have to point out is that being a snitch doesn't cause your being let go. You are on a team of people that you probably became buddies with and then instead of saying something to them about their actions, you hide behind some confidentiality and report them. Coward. Seems like you were intimidated by BS. If you cross one, you crossed them all and that is somewhat understandable. However what did reporting them do to benefit you? Sounds to me like you just became a disgruntled employee and needed to be sent on your way. People like you are a cancer and your actions and talk with other whities will just force garbage like this to spread and eat away at a caompany. Did you not learn anything from your leaders or were you too busy gossiping to really listen? Good luck- I am sure a person like you needs it.
Bobbysworld
Livonia,#7UPDATE Employee
Thu, July 10, 2008
I am a current employee and have seen many people lose their jobs recently. I hear you were offered a severence pay and extended benefits- that seems like a fair deal. The summer off with pay and insurance, nice. Quicken offers a lot of excellent perks even when in this market, the company does do more for the employee than most. Most of what you are saying in your tale of your experience is basic business practices for the most part and as you stated well the company side steps any opportunity possible to be sued. Can you blame them? Its a game really. I know exactly who you are referring to in IT and that situation seemed completely normal for this type of person. Seems like you have worked with a few of these types of people that use the system to their benefit. But they will be let go, its just a matter of having all the documentation in order. I really dont think you were let go because of anything other than being split between teams. Your position was apparantly unnecessary for the "best interest for the business" if you will. Face the fact that most minority terminations have to be well documented before implimenting their status change with the company. Basic business practices of using the system to positively affect our business. Quicken handles these situations well- so what will happen now is these "skeeves" as you say will have their files fattened with adequate reasonings for them to be fired, then they will be cut from the fat of the company. Not on another black friday (or Thursday depending on Media contact- LOL) when people need to be cut and offered anything for their beig let go due to the economy and market. Bottom line when they try to nail the company for unemployment, they will have to fight because causing their unemployment status will ultimately crusify them in gaining the free pay checks for 26 weeks. I am sure it will be beneifical to the company to NOT pay them unemployment because they failed to do the right thing. Another thing I have to point out is that being a snitch doesn't cause your being let go. You are on a team of people that you probably became buddies with and then instead of saying something to them about their actions, you hide behind some confidentiality and report them. Coward. Seems like you were intimidated by BS. If you cross one, you crossed them all and that is somewhat understandable. However what did reporting them do to benefit you? Sounds to me like you just became a disgruntled employee and needed to be sent on your way. People like you are a cancer and your actions and talk with other whities will just force garbage like this to spread and eat away at a caompany. Did you not learn anything from your leaders or were you too busy gossiping to really listen? Good luck- I am sure a person like you needs it.
Gil Danbert
West Bloomfield,#8UPDATE EX-employee responds
Wed, July 09, 2008
In reading your story, I'm not surprised and I sure that many other former employees feel the same way. Just think: all of your blood, sweat and tears went to paying LeBron James! You story reminds me of when I worked there. I had a friend who applied for a job there and didn't get hired. A team leader who I'll call "Dave" said that my friend didn't get the job, because my friend was a newlywed and that "we want new bankers to put in more time than most spouses are happy with". Hmmmmm...Not getting hired because of wanting to spend a reasonable amount of time with your family. Let's hope that an EEOC doesn't investigate!
Layla
Bethlehem,#9Consumer Comment
Tue, July 08, 2008
Also, don't blame the black people for your bad experience with the company. By the way you explained it, they had no control over your schedule or the way that management operates...instead place the blame on the CEO, afterall they are utlimately responsible for the company culture.
Layla
Bethlehem,#10Consumer Comment
Tue, July 08, 2008
I refuse to work more than 8 hours for any company. Period! I have a family and I will always put them first, if the employer does not understand this, then I will gladly find myself looking for another job. I realized very early in life, no matter how much dedication, committment, and time you put into a company, when they are in trouble, whether it is ethically or financially they will throw their best employess under the bus in order to save face. So why bother?? I started my own business because of this, because I realized that I no longer desired to work hard for anyone, and if I did, my work would be mediocre at its best. Put it this way, I would never win "employee of the month". You can always change your jobs, put the time you loose with your family is irreplaceable.