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  • Report:  #847751

Complaint Review: R & m moving co/Keller Williams Realty - Seminole Florida

Reported By:
Maryann - Clearwater, Florida, United States of America
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R & m moving co/Keller Williams Realty
9597 121st st Seminole, 33772 Florida, United States of America
Phone:
727-475-9100
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THIS IS THE WORST COMPANY I EVER DEALT WITH & R & M Moving co.& KELLER WILLIAMS REALTY....BAIT & SWITCH..I was & am on disability & these people are all scammers,very unprofessional, nasty, rude, liars & prey on woman alone & should not be in business. my real estate agent, Angie Morris with Keller Williams referred me only to r & m moving co, she only referred me to 1 mover only & no others,she was harrassing me & rude,she kept changing the price on my home & telling me that I could keep the furniture, then she said that the furniture would not come with the home, she was always chainging her statements & harrassing me at work, playing games Ms Morris would take me to see prospective homes & she was not professional at all, she got angry.I asked her to to give me a loan with Citimortage, which I have been with them for years, she stated that should would do this, then she demanded that I go with Bank of America, her buddy, Gustavo Sabalas, Bank of America was also on the news as scamming people with the foreclosures, Angie her ruthless & partner in crime this was a type of bait & switch ,I believe that she was in on the take,she also came into my home & was also nice in the beginning & got tired and annoyed & very pushy,unprofessional, she called me at work multiple times & it was very frustrating, she only wanted the sale & not care for the customer, after the move I called Keller Williams & I told Christina, her assistant that the movers stole from me and she was laughing at me.Angie was also was asking me personal questions all the time. How could a real estate agent refer people to this type of moving company? I did not have much furniture to move in my condo as I gave away a dining room set, living room set & bedroom set.. I called r & m moving & spoke to owner Rose Marie, she gave me a low ball figure on moving & packing boxes. I previously packed 45 boxes, then they said they would pack more boxes for me & it would be faster ,I had 4-5 men in my home & they were all in different rooms & Roland was the only person that gave me his name, after the move,.... I called the Pinellas County Sherriffs dept & went into their website ,that is public information, it noted that Roland had in the past 4 prior felonies, dealing in stolen property, burglary of a residence, grand theft of a firearm & marijuana charges....They were trying to distract me in my home.I paid for extra boxes that I never received with my belongings.There were clothes,housewares,ect, they broke items & items missing, my good clothes are missing. They kept my belongings overnite in the truck & went through them.They were looking for the valuable items.It was such a mess with this company & they do not take any responsibility for anything.I was calling them to bring back my belongings & they would laugh in my face & stated that they did not take anything, the wife would scream at me & call me names. They lied to the police & do not care. They are callous, narcissists that care about no one or who they hurt.They pry on women alone.You took enough from me but your day will be in court with a higher power.I had items in my home that I had forever & they ruined that due to that they are greedy & self centered parasistic manifestation. If they scam the small items they will do anything for money & greed. They charged me a lot of money for what they did & took.I believe that this company scammed othersThey bought a new truck after the move, what a coincidence. ...Please give your feedback with these type of companies who prey on people..I am not just doing this for myself but for everyone who has been scammed.You type of people are a poor excuse for what you do to others. Get out of town & leave us alone...Also 2020 tv station in the past had a segment on companies that the Better Business Bureau accepts money from these type of companies How is that for our system which they are supposed to be in business to help the customers not hire the crooks?


21 Updates & Rebuttals

Marya

Clearwater,
Florida,
United States of America
r & m moving company/rightious 1

#2Author of original report

Thu, January 03, 2013

I believe  Righteous 1 is either a relative of this company or best friends. He does not know the whole story and this company and owners are nothing but problems. I was referred to Angie Morris by a person who I thought was a friend and I trusted them ( worst mistake) The BBB gives businesses great ratings as I found out that businesses get paid to play.  This company is bogus and the owner's husband had 5 prior felonies...Dealing in stolen property, burglary of a residence, marijuana charges, grand theft of a firearm and robbery against him and Ms Morris did not tell me this as I believe that she was on the take and know that I was alone and was vulnerable. This company put my belongings in their warehouse and kept them overnight. Most of my belongings were gone and they broke items and did not replace the. I was missing good clothes, a red velvet dress the I got from the Renaissance festival, clothes never worn, sweaters gone, suits gone, purses, they just came in my home and took whatever they wanted, THIS COMPANY THINKS EVERYTHING BELONGS TO THEM ONE THE CUSTOMERS BELONGINGS ARE IN THE TRUCK. I was devistated and lost mostly everything on this move. Florida is a bad state with companies like this. On city search it states the the movers broke tables, did not come back and resolve any issues, or help the customer in any way. We are in a depression in this country and this company needs to go out of business on how they treat the customer. I found out later with this company the they had a bad rating and after they moved me they bbb and angies list gave them a A rating.

SO IF MR RIGHTEOUS 1 WHO FAVORS THIS COMPANY BETTER LOOK AT HIMSELF AND I BELIEVE THAT HE IS IN CAHOOTS WITH THIS COMPANY, HE IS SIMPLE MINDED ANYWAY AND HE SHOULD LOOSE EVERYTHING HE HAS AND LIVE IN THE STREETS WITH THE MOVERS. REAL ESTATE AGENT YOU ARE NOT WITH GOD AS PEOPLE WOULD NOT DO OR SAY ANYTHING LIKE THIS. CON ARTISTS TO THE MAX. THEIR MOTTO IS" ALL FOR ME AND TO HELL WITH YOU, IT'S MINE NOW" JUST GO BACK TO THE CUSTOMERS AND SEE WHAT THIS COMPANY DID TO PEOPLE WHO JUST WERE ONLY OUT TO HAVE THEIR BELONGINGS BACK TO THEM . ROGUE MOVER OUT FOR THEMSELVES. THEY LIED ON THE POLICE REPORT. WHAT DOES THAT TELL YOU ABOUT THEM, THEY HAVE NO CONSCIENCE AND NO RESPECT ABOUT OTHERS,......ALL FOR THEM AND THEM ONLY........WHEN NASTY PEOPLE BREAK ITEMS AND NOT REPLACE THEM AS THEY STATE IN CITY SEARCH THEY WOULD REPLACE, THIS TELLS THE CUSTOMER DIFINITELY WHAT TYPE OF PEOPLE THEY ARE, THEY DO NOT KEEP THEIR WORD , NOTHING BUT TALK AND BULLSH*T........


Marya

Clearwater,
Florida,
United States of America
Low life bashes decent people

#3Author of original report

Tue, December 11, 2012

Righteous 1 you are a full fledged joke and an idiot what are you righteous about? You do not have any head of brains to fill it with,you are a low life and dispicable piece of crap, mind your own business and stay in the hell where you are. You are the one that is fully disabled..taking too much pot with your moving buddies.  You are the same parasitic mess with this company. Stay in your hole and sniff your glue. also, BBB Accredidation standards to not mean anything to these low life businesses and garbage people who take from the customer. Rot in hell where you belong.


Marya

Clearwater,
Florida,
United States of America
r & m moving company/ Righteous 1

#4Author of original report

Sun, December 09, 2012

December 04, 2012 .....LOOK AT THE COMMENTS IN CITY SEARCH, THIS WILL TELL YOU WHAT THIS COMPANY IS ALL ABOUT AND RIGHTEOUS 1/ BULL S**T R & M MOVING CO.-CRIMINALS, LIARS, CHEATS & THIEVES. Nothing surprises me regarding my past experience with this company....There is nothing kind about this company or owners/workers that are friendly, once they get your money, business or belongings they could care less. ....Also, Angie Morris with Keller Williams Realty was in cahoots with this company as she was the only person who referred me to this moving company who I thought I could trust, never again....They lied on my report..... Look at the negative comments other people have written about this moving company,they are not in business to help the customers just to give us aggravation, frustration and take our money & belongings & lie, they do not take responsiblility or care for anyone, if anything is broken or missing they will blame it on the customer,just read the negative comments about them with other customers that they have swindled.Be on your guard during the move and have someone or other people with you that you know....Do not be alone.....as I was,never again. ..Worst experience ever in my life .....What goes around comes around, karma is coming. Anyone that notes they they did a great job for a customer is a farse or someone that they know added great comments about this company....Look at the negative comments, that will tell you what they are realy all about....The customers notes will always tell a story on what is missing and not done right, this company or people do not have the common decency to take responsibility,..... they could care less from the customer as long as they can get what they can from who they can...SNEAKY BUSINESS.....MAN AND WOMAN UP FOR YOU AND YOUR BUSINESS IF YOU HAVE ANY DECENCY, WHICH IS NEGATIVE AT THIS STAGE....F MINUS FOREVER....LOOK AT YOUR REVIEWS IN CITY SEARCH...


Righteous1

gg,
Pennsylvania,
USA
Thank you movers!!

#5General Comment

Wed, May 30, 2012

A heartfelt thank you for clearing up the False allegations sent by this mis-alighned person Truly I do feel sorrow for this person, they have a mental disability that causes irrational non-sensical statements to be made, aka:delusional.

I appreciate your clarity and factual statements that clean up this report.  There are far more "real" cases to respond to then the one in this persons boggled mind.

Onward and upward ! But for them I hope its a mental ward, where true care can be sought .


Movers

seminole,
Florida,
United States of America
The actual accounting of the move...........

#6REBUTTAL Owner of company

Wed, May 30, 2012

Maryanne-

It didn't take long for someone to realize that your rantings are completely false.  The description of your move is completely untrue. When we arrived at your home it was like walking in to a fully functioning home. Nothing packed and you had to be out at a certain time due to your closing. You had a three man crew at your house not 4 or 5 men. (how are you not sure if you had 4 or 5???? makes no sense at all). You had a handyman and the proposed buyer and his realtor doing a walk through going through your condo. We packed at your request and packed around 50 boxes for you.

When we were almost through loading you found out you had a problem with your closing and could NOT unload till the next day because YOU had no where to put your items.  The truck was parked in a gated facility with security cameras. We rearranged the moves for the next morning to be able to unload you first thing. You were unloaded and everything arrived to you unharmed. Long after your move was complete you started prank calling our company all the time. You had no items that were broken or missing. At no time did anyone scream at you. YOU were directed by the police to leave US alone.

I feel you had buyers remorse on your new condo and are not happy there.

You sound like a unbalanced person with all the comments on YOUR own posts. Please stop writings things that aren't true.

Why do you write about the realtor,  mortgage holder and the mover? ALL of us did something to YOU???? Does not even make sense!!!

Thank you.





Righteous1

gg,
Pennsylvania,
USA
you will be guided.

#7General Comment

Tue, May 29, 2012

My prayers for mental healing go out to you. May they find a cure for this ailment , Sorry that I am not filled with venom. You seem to have the market on that avenue and I prefer to not buy into this nonsense. Good day and again...may you heal from this hatred...its truly sad to see and read. Pity.


Marya

Clearwater,
Florida,
United States of America
righteous....NARCISSTIC ABUSER......YOU'RE A LOW LIFE

#8Author of original report

Tue, May 29, 2012

YOU ARE A NARCISSITC.........ABUSER........DO NOT BOTHER ME AGAIN


Righteous1

gg,
Pennsylvania,
USA
Maya!

#9General Comment

Mon, May 28, 2012

Maya , Who thwapped your head one too many times? You really should sue them for your tourettes spew here. Its nice to know that you are gentle and kind to all man kind. you should be on a poster...


Righteous1

gg,
Pennsylvania,
USA
Maya!

#10General Comment

Mon, May 28, 2012

Maya , Who thwapped your head one too many times? You really should sue them for your tourettes spew here. Its nice to know that you are gentle and kind to all man kind. you should be on a poster...


Marya

Clearwater,
Florida,
United States of America
Righteous 1 Who do you think you are, a Godsent, not in this life, looser

#11Author of original report

Mon, May 28, 2012

You are an egotistical self centered jerk who talks out of his a.. who thinks the world wraps and gravitates around him who thinks he knows it all and is a bag of chips and then some. I cannot even imagine what you look like and I do not want to ever know. You have a large head with pin size body and who abuses & thinks he knows everything with an attitude. Who brought you up? RATS? I bet you are not married or have a girlfriend, who would want you,?you are no catch with your attitude.You are self righteous biggamist with an attitude who thinks he knows it all.  You knock people with disabilities. There is a possibility that you could be disabled in the future. Actually you do have a disability, knocking people down and an ego as big as the world.go to a psychiatrist, he will realy have a mental case to crack. I have never met an egotistical narcissist like you............Righteous 1????What does that mean, you really love yourself and do not not care about anyone else. Did you mother drop you on your head, or are you just boring and crazy?What's the matter, can't get a woman so you have to put them down, or do you wish you were a woman? You are a sicko, take your meds.


Marya

Clearwater,
Florida,
United States of America
BBB GIVES R & M MOVING CO A + RATING

#12Author of original report

Mon, May 28, 2012

BBB STANDS FOR,   BRIBES, BURGLARY, & BULLCRAP......THIS IS A JOKE, GET OUT OF BUSINESS RAT HOLES.


Marya

Clearwater,
Florida,
United States of America
RIGHTEOUS1 NOT IN YOUR LIFE

#13Author of original report

Mon, May 28, 2012

GET A REAL JOB YOU PARASITE. GO MOVE WITH YOUR PARASITE FRIENDS..............YOU ALL CANNOT ACCEPT RESPONSIBILITY. YOU ARE GARBAGE, YOU MUST BE A RELATIVE YOU PIECE OF CRAP. YOU HAVE A MENTAL PROBLEM..........GOT SOME ISSUES..............JUST LIKE YOUR BUDDIES. GO ROB YOUR MOTHER SEE IF SHE LIKES IT.. WHO DO YOU THINK YOU ARE GOD???????????? TAKE ANOTHER TOKE, SNIFF GLUE.
 

RIGHTEOUS1 IS BULL S**T. HE IS FULL OF HIMSELF..........GO TO THE BBB INN, THEY WILL KEEP YOU OVERNIGHT AND COVER FOR YOUR CRAPPY LOW LIFE  BUSINESS. REALLY ROLAND, 5 PRIOR FELONIES...............MAYBE YOU CAN GET MORE THE WAY YOU PEOPLE OPERATE....GO TO ANGIE'S LIST THEY REALLY LIKE YOU.


Marya

Clearwater,
Florida,
United States of America
righteous.... garbage just like the rest of them

#14Author of original report

Mon, May 28, 2012

You are a jerk with your a*s talking, you are on disability you piece of crap.  Who are you to talk about anyone. You must be a relative that rips off the customer too and does not want to take responsibility. Roland Bornhauser has 5 felonies against him,,,,,,,,,,,,you think they are wonderful, Get your large a*s in gear and get the crap out of your ears. Go back a play moving with them and see how much you can cheat and steal from the customer. Did they train you? You are disabled in the brain, no common sense and hang aroud with garbage. garbage in garbage out.  You keep going the way you are and keep blaming the customer you all will be living in the street, , maybe the BBB will give you a room......ya, In rikers prison with your arms cut off.


Marya

Clearwater,
Florida,
United States of America
R & M MOVING COMPANY-CRIMINALS, LIARS, PARASITES

#15Author of original report

Wed, May 09, 2012

CRIMINALS.... DO NOT HIRE THIS SCAM COMPANY R & M MOVING COMPANY STATES ON THE YELLOW PAGES WEBSITE THAT WHEN THE CUSTOMER HIRES THIS COMPANY THEY GIVE THE CUSTOMER $25 OFF WITH 3 HR LABOR MINIMUM..........THIS IS BOGUS & A LIE AS THEY STEAL FROM THE CUSTOMER & ROLAND BORNHAUSER HAS 5 PRIOR FELONIES AGAINST HIM, YOU CAN  GO TO PINELLAS COUNTY SHERRIFS DEPT LARGO FL, THE WEBSITE NOTES ALL HIS CONVICTIONS HE IS THE MOVER, THIEF, CRIMINAL & ROSE THE WIFE, OWNER, THE VERBAL ABUSER , THIEF, LIAR, & HER HUSBAND ROLAND . DO NOT HIRE THIS CO AS THEY WILL NOT ACCEPT RESPONSIBILITY, DO NOT RETURN PHONE CALLS & THEY ALL ARE PARASITES & DRUG ADDICTS, & HIRE DRUG ADDICTS, LOOKING FOR THE NEXT SCAM, ESPECIALLY WHEN WOMEN ARE ALONE. DO NOT LET THESE LOW LIVES IN YOUR HOMES...


Righteous1

gg,
Pennsylvania,
USA
BBB

#16General Comment

Thu, April 26, 2012

...and as Adults and well informed people we are very much aware that the BBB is not the end all be all. Business's Pay to get accredited. So long as they pay the measley fee, BBB simply adds them to a list. It doesnt mean the company has ever been reviewed or that any HUMAN from BBB ever stepped foot in their business to Accredit them! If any business is scamming ..its the MISCONCEPTION people have of the BBB. They are NOT and will not be the GAUGE by which Business's receive Accurate ratings from. The Only ones that seem to contact them are people who in their mind were disgruntled.

I've got little regard for Moving companies...yet when someone comes here..opens up a claim and then   yells I am disabled!. So what???? Your Disability has ZERO bearing on this claim. This claim is about YOU being an adult and NOT getting proper information and being given accurate decision alternatives. 1: you are Free to get your mortgage with whoever YOU so choose to apply with.
2: You are free to contact a reputable moving company. 3: You are free to walk away from any deal that is not to your satisfaction.  You have choices...so use them.

The only disability I see here is not having common sense, which I should apply for disability for, for even I have made some humdinger of nonsensical post. This being one of them! *cheese*


Marya

Clearwater,
Florida,
United States of America
R & M Moving Co./Better Business Bureau, scam artists, criminals & full fledged liars & more

#17Author of original report

Thu, April 26, 2012

Roland Bornhauser had 5 prior felonies against him.... Robbery, dealing in stolen property, burglary of a residence, grand theft of a firearm & multiple marijuana charges.

The Better Business Bureau gave R & M Moving Company an A.... rating after the move... & a D-.... rating before the move.....
 
According to the BBB R & M Moving company does not meet BBB accredidation standards, which means: A commitment to make good faith effort to resolve any consumer complaints.BBB accredited businesses must pay a fee for accredidation, review, monitoring & for support of BBB services to the public. This is not an honorable company, gave this company & A rating but issues cannot be resolved??? Obviously R & M Moving company does not want to take responsibility for anything....What is this world coming to. I know this company does not have any respect or decency to own up to anything....They should be a -F rating. Scamming the public????  Who is guarding the hen house????

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Marya

Clearwater,
Florida,
United States of America
R & M MOVING COMPANY-SCAM ARTISTS,CRIMINALS,LIARS, CHEAT CUSTOMERS, SCUM BAGS, NARCISSISTS

#18Author of original report

Sat, April 21, 2012

FYI, R & M Moving company has 4 businesses in Pinellas County, 1 in St Pete, 2 in Seminole & 1 in Tampa,  a total of 4 businesses & live on the water, that I know of & they are ripping people off & stealing & lying &  to the customer & to the public. They do not take responsibility for anything or anyone. Greedy scoundrel

In addition I just want to add DO NOT USE THIS COMPANY EVER IN YOUR LIFE YOU WILL BE SORRY & REGRET IT, IT WAS A NIGHTMARE....They are smiling on their website but they are thieves to the max. When you do not know them they seem nice to your face, but please, please do not trust them. I do note even trust my realtor, Angie Morris with Keller Williams after she referred me to ONLY them, there was a scam & I know it & feel it. If any realtor has any sense she should have been more savvy but she is a thief also like the rest. WHEN YOU HANG AROUND WITH THIEVES YOU ARE A THIEF...... The moving company needs to go to the realtor's home & the movers homes & steal from their family like they did from me. The movers lied to the police and any accusations that they could think of. THEY ARE COMPLETELY SCUM & SHOULD BE IN RIKERS ISLAND, NEW YORK IN JAIL WITH THEIR  FINGERS CUT OFF. Then we will know who the thieves are. .....The BBB protects these type of company as they pay to play. IT IS A ROTTEN SHAME WHEN OUR COUNTRY BENDS THIS  LOW GETS KUDOS TO KEEP THESE TYPE OF COMPANIES IN BUSINESS....THESE PEOPLE ARE SNEAKY...DO NOT TRUST THEM BUT THEY WILL BE NICE TO YOU BEFORE & DURING THE MOVE BUT ARE REAL LOW LIFE SCUM WHEN THEY HAVE EVERYTHING YOU HAD.......NIGHTMARE ON COUNTRY CLUB DRIVE & DENMARK ST.......WORSE THAN ELM ST THAN YOU COULD EVER IMAGINE. PLEASE HELP GET THEM OFF THE STREETS....


Marya

Clearwater,
Florida,
United States of America
RIPP OFF COMPANY TO THE MAX-DRUGGIES/LIARS & THIEFS

#19Author of original report

Thu, April 12, 2012

R & M MOVING COMPANY ARE OUT TO SCAM ANYONE THEY CAN GET AWAY WITH. THEY HAVE A PICTURE OF THEMSELVES ON THEIR WEBSITE: THEY LOOK LIKE SCAMMERS, THEY LOOK UGLY, NASTY, SNEAKY & LIARS, SMILING. THEY KNOW HOW TO SCAM PEOPLE, YOU DIRTY BUNCH OF DIRT BAGS,FULL FLEDGED DRUG ADDICTS. WHAT IS THE PROBLEM, YOU CAN'T AFFORD TO ADD YOU NAMES ON YOUR SHIRTS. I GUESS YOU DO NOT WANT TO BECAUSE YOU CAN SCAM PEOPLE THAT WAY. YOU PEOPLE ARE HIDEOUS & NASTY. GO BACK TO AFRICA OR WHAT GARBAGE PLACE YOU CAME FROM. BY THE WAY, NONE OF YOU ARE PHOTOGENIC, YOU WOULD BE PHOTOGENIC ON THE POLICE BLOGS & SHOULD BE THERE, GARBAGE THIEVES. GO SCAM YOUR FAMILY YOU ROTTEN BUNCH OF LEACHES. YOU ALL SHOULD HAVE ENOUGH MONEY THE WAY YOU SCAM & VERBALLY ABUSE PEOPLE THAT PAY YOU FOR SERVICES.PIGS, SLOPPY, NASTY, RUTHLESS, DRUGADDICTS. WHAT IS YOUR NATIONALITY? BOOGALOOS?


Marya

Clearwater,
Florida,
United States of America
R & M Moving Company..Criminals, Liars, Thieves & verbal abusers

#20Author of original report

Thu, April 12, 2012

in addition the police report states: I called the Pinellas County Sherriffs Dept & Roland had 5... prior felonies against him:Robbery, dealing in stolen property, burglary of a residence, grand theft of a firearm & multiple marijuana charges......
DO YOU WANT THESE PEOPLE MOVING & WORKING FOR YOU????
BAIT & SWITCH..

I was & am on disability & these people are all scammers,very unprofessional, nasty, rude, liars & prey on woman alone & should not be in business. my real estate agent, Angie Morris with Keller Williams referred me only to r & m moving co, she only referred me to 1 mover only & no others . These people should be off the streets & in jail, let them rob their own families not people paying for thier dirty & lousy services.


Marya

Clearwater,
Florida,
United States of America
additional information

#21Author of original report

Sat, March 24, 2012

1. Written by Company is a rip off on March 24, 2012 from orlando, florida, US

The company also moved the 4 clothes drawers in my home & said that they shrink wrapped them. They lied again and did not do this,there were clothes in the drawers that they took,pajamas,slips,hose,lingerie,nightgowns & other items.Took items out of the drawers, & whatever they could get.They noted to the Better Business Bureau that I did not move 45 boxes,downright lied again. They are terrible movers but great low life liars. The people in this business are downright thieves,scoundrels,manipulative,conniving liars. When they see a woman alone, they are like & are rabid dogs. They do not admit to anything,they broke & threw everything in boxes not even wrapped.My next door neighbor could not believe the mess they left me in.They are callous garbage.When you look at their website do not believe in what they print or how they look.....they are down right thieves..I will see that you get caught up until the last day of my life..What you took from me, you can rot in ***.Rat heads...What I had in my home was more than they transferred to my new condo....They packed the truck by my home, left the truck parked overnight in their....lot and brought less items back.....They lied to the police, better business bureau, to me & everyone else. This government needs to change the laws regarding companies like this who scam the people that pay them. They look like garbage anyway.


Marya

Clearwater,
Florida,
United States of America
R & M Moving Company/Keller Williams Realty

#22Author of original report

Fri, March 16, 2012

I really apprecite the RipOff report site & the information gets out to the public about these ripoff scammers & parasites. Other decent people & I work hard for our money and we do not need any more problems with these type of businesses. They are rat holes looking for another bite. Let's help the good people get them off the streets & in jail where they belong. Let them all sink to the bottom where they belong.

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