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Complaint Review: Robert Crist and Company - Mesa Arizona

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Non profit tour taken advantage of - Albuquerque, New Mexico, USA
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Robert Crist and Company
2025 East Main St Mesa, 85213 Arizona, USA
Phone:
(480) 834-9410
Web:
rvsrfun.com
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Letter below that was sent to dealer.  Received a response stating the unit was used, deal with it.

I am contacting you today in reference to serious, timely, and costly issues related to an RV I purchased from your company in June of 2014.

RCRV, On my initial visit, I stopped by your lot and viewed a 2005 Monaco with your salesman, Joe Rosten.  After some deliberation, I purchased the unit on June 27th, 2014. This was my first RV, which I purchased for a very specific purpose that I made very clear to my salesman as well as other employees.  I purchased the unit for a 14 month charity tour of America, which I have been planning for two years (three years now). I was supposed to begin the tour immediately after the purchase but have been unable to do so because of the many problems I’ve had with the RV.  I have charity partners, tour commitments, and a significant investment into the tour.  I have closed my business and sold my home to do the tour.  When I purchased the unit, I had a very specific time frame, and to date, the unit has been in for service for over two-thirds of the time that I’ve owned it. I’ve exhausted more than half of my budget for the tour waiting for the unit to be fully operational and road ready.  I have been exceedingly patient, but enough is enough and a resolution is required.

During my interactions with my salesman, Joe Rosten, he showed me the unit, and specified numerous times that the unit had been gone through thoroughly top to bottom, twice.  He said that every system and feature was 100% operational, and the unit was ready to take on the road immediately and that Travis Chilton, your Master Technician had done the PDI.  I was reassured countless times that the unit had been inspected by a Travis Chilton and the only admitted/disclosed issue was that the entry keypad was not functional.  I was told multiple times that I was “gifted” a $2500.00 Pre-Delivery Inspection (PDI).  Considering I was never given any inspection report and that multiple non-functional items were purposely not disclosed, there was no value to me in that “gift”.

The following is a timeline of events that have taken place regarding the purchase of the RV from your dealership:  All dates are approx. and not exact – for reference only.

June 27, 2014:

  • I arrived in Mesa and was assigned to meet with, Travis Chilton, the Master Technician.
  • We walked the unit and for every question I asked about the unit, Travis Chilton responded that he had reviewed the feature or part and that it was fully functional.
  • We took the unit for a fifteen minute test drive during which I discovered that the gas gauge and VORAD were not working, and the middle AC unit continued to trip the breaker.
  • Travis Chilton said these issues would be resolved.
  • I drove the unit to my friend’s house in Phoenix where I stayed the night.

June 29, 2014:

  • In the morning, the RV would not start after many attempts.
  • I was finally able to get the RV started, and I returned to the dealership for a service appointment.
  • During this service trip, all of the batteries were replaced, and they attempted to fix the gas gauge and middle AC but were unable to do so.

June 30, 2014:

  • Tim and I were scheduled to take the unit and sign the papers, so we drove to California and signed the contract.
  • At this time, the VORAD and middle AC were still not operational, and the chassis AC was very hot.
  • We returned to the dealership, and I again left the unit to be serviced by RCRV.
  • The middle AC was replaced, but they were unable to fix the gas gauge or the VORAD.
  • The technicians, Travis Chilton, and Joe Rosten assured me that all of these issues would get resolved at no expense to me.
  • To this date, there is still no resolution and I’ve spent thousands of dollars.

June 30, 2014:

  • After several days of delays and service repairs, I was scheduled to pick up the unit.
  • When speaking to Travis Chiltion, he mentioned that I better get some new tires on the tag axle.
  • Joe Rosten had specifically said that the tires were good and had lots of life left.
  • I brought this to Joe’s attention, and two new tires were installed with both parties splitting the cost. This delayed my departure another full day.

July 2, 2014:

  • I picked up the unit and was told confidently by Joe Rosten and Travis Chilton that they would do everything to make sure the existing issues I was leaving with would be resolved.
  • They gave me the number for Norm, the Service Manager and told me to contact him when I arrived in Albuquerque.
  • On my drive home to Albuquerque, the newly installed, brand new AC unit dripped fluid into the cabin and damaged the inlet cover.
    • This required that the unit be fully removed and properly reinstalled at RMRV.
    • RCRV did not install the unit properly, so RCRV paid the 3rd party to fix the issue.
    • In addition, the headlight switch did not work, so the headlights could not turn on.
      • I called the dealership, and no one could give an explanation as to why it wasn’t working. After 35 minutes of messing with the switch, I finally got it to work.

RCRV also forwarded a new awning wind sensor which was broken and not operational even though your master tech pointed the unit out and assured me it was functional.  RCRV also forwarded after more than a few months two switches that were broken that I had to pay for to be installed.

August 2014:

  • I took the RV to a camp site and discovered the following issues:
    • Hot water heater did not work
    • Large leak from under the chassis
    • Kitchen sink was clogged and the drain leaked
    • Bed did not inflate
    • Satellite and main televisions, DVD player, and stereo did not work

Attempted to use the windshield wipers for the first time, and they did not work and failed at 70mph in a down pour where the wipers failed and could’ve caused a crash or something more serious.  This was a very serious incident and the responsibly lies with RCRV.

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    • The wiper system had to be completely manufactured from scratch and replaced.

November 2015:

  • Unit was at a local repair facility for over three months:
    • Aqua Hot repair
    • Replace/Re-build wiper system
    • Misc repair issues and winterize unit

March 2015:

  • Unit was picked up from three plus month service and then taken to another facility to address the VORAD.  Where it remains to this date.

Since leaving your dealership, I have had to schedule multiple appointments for service and repair to the RV. I was misled and deceived as to the functionality and operation of every single item. The following features have never been operational or functional since I purchased the unit:

 

ITEM                                                                                                                                                      COST INCURRED

 

Satellite – not functional – replaced                                                                            $372.50

Main TV – not functional – replaced                                                                            $272.50                

Battery disconnect switch – not functional – replaced                                                     $57.50

Aqua Hot Diesel switch – not functional – replaced                                                        $57.50

Awning wind sensor – not functional – replaced                                                            $57.50

Headlight switch – not functional – replaced                                                                      

Keyless entry – not functional – replaced

Local antenna – missing – replaced                                                                           $117.00

Local antenna switch – not functional – replaced                                                          $78.00

Generator failure – repaired                                                                                      $190.44                

DVD/Surround – not functional – replaced                                                                          

Hot water heater – leaking – repaired                                                                         $1829.71

Hot water heater – not functional – removed, repaired, re-installed

Wiper system – not functional – replaced                                                                    $304.15

Slide out toppers / Master – not functional – replaced                                                   $100.00

Battery Isolator - replaced

Kitchen sink clog – clogged prior to my use – repaired                    

Kitchen sink drain leak – complete pipe separation – repaired

Insta hot water – leaking – repaired                                                                       

Bath and Vanity ceiling vents – not operational – repaired

Front AC T-Stat – not functional – replaced

Drivers side mirror – not functional – repaired

ABS indicator light on – resolved

Unit doesn’t start – new batteries – resolved

Generator doesn’t start – new batteries – resolved

Generator failed in Lubbock – fault code – resolved

Shipping, misc parts and supplies                                                                               $223.50

Deductibles and taxes                                                                                               $880.15

The following items are still not functional and the issues have not been resolved:

VORAD                                                                                                                    $500.00

Bed air chambers – not functional                                                                               $1815.00*

Bed controllers – not functional

Chassis AC - not cold                                                                  

The extensive list above covers all items I was told were functional and fully operational during the walk through and during multiple conversations with both Joe Rosten and Travis Chilton.  In addition, if the unit had actually had a comprehensive PDI as I was promised, all of these items would have been discovered and resolved.  So my only conclusion is, they were discovered, but not disclosed.

I tried to work with Norm and Michael to get these issues resolved, and Norm was minimally helpful in the beginning but quickly had no desire to assist me and simply said he was no longer interested in resolving the issues and to use my service contract and leave it at that.  Norm mentioned on two calls I would be reimbursed for ANY out of pocket expenses related to service work and I intend to hold him and RCRV to that.  Not once did Joe initiate contact, follow up, or even send a thank you card or call after the purchase.  Had I purchased a Ferrari at the same cost from a dealer, I can assure you the personal attention and immediate resolution of the issues would surpass the customer service of your staff members by a million fold.  I understand it’s a leisure industry, but you are selling six and seven figure homes that should demand the same level of service and customer attention.

To date, I have had to utilize the service contract extensively, but for most repairs it has been timely, and often times, I’ve had to battle with them to cover items that are supposed to be covered in the contract.  The contact RCRV sold me is not a compreshensive as it was described - they don't cover all repairs and they don't cover the total time it takes to do a repair.  In addition, I’ve had to deal with an independent inspector who denies repairs, but then after much discussion with the company, they finally determine it is covered.  Regardless of whether or not I have used the service contract, it does not dismiss the fact that I’m still out significant time, my tour has been delayed, and I have had to pay excessive out of pocket diagnostic fees and deductibles.  If the opinion of your staff is that they are not intent on resolving or disclosing the issues because I have a service contract, then that is simply not an acceptable standpoint and very unethical.

The deception and misleading remarks by your staff have not only cost me time but money and lost income. This unit was not road ready and to date is still not ready. I should be half way through my charity tour, and I’m still stuck waiting for the unit’s initial service issues to be resolved. I would like to resolve this issue amicably between the two of us without any legal involvement. My request is fair, justifiable, and commensurate with the costs, delays, and lost income I’ve incurred.   If the unit had been road ready as promised, I would have embarked on my fourteen month charity tour in July. Since it required so much service and time in the shop, I have been unable to leave and use the RV for my charity tour for ten months.

The psychological and financial toll have been significant and continue to grow exponentially as the time frame continues to lengthen.  I simply want my unit to be as described, reimbursed for losses directly related to RCRV’s actions, and get this charity tour that will benefit thousands across the country on the road as soon as possible without any further delay.

I hope that you take this situation to heart and seriously consider my request and are willing to amicably and quickly resolve it so that we can both more forward.

Thank you for your time and consideration regarding this matter.



2 Updates & Rebuttals

Robert

Mesa,
Arizona,
United States of America
5 Star Service

#2REBUTTAL Owner of company

Wed, May 27, 2015

We strive for 5 star service. Unfortunately we couldn't come to a reasonable resolution with Mr. Hurff. We have done everything in our power to try and resolve this issue privately and professionally.


RV sales fraud investigator

Scottsdale,
Arizona,
USA
RV show and sale those kind of deals are only for suckers

#3Consumer Comment

Tue, April 21, 2015

no RV buyer should ever go to a tent event or construction reduction sale nor should they ever go to any kind of a football stadium thinking they're getting a special deal most of the time RV dealerships only allow their most ruthless sales people to go to the special events that are only searching for suckers. 

Here's the problem that I have with the RV industry. Many RV dealerships are like gypsies they run to any vacant lot and have a special construction reduction sale. Go to various stadiums across the country and have a special RV show and sale. Everything has to be signed today or you do not get that special deal. I tell people all the time the matter what they ask for the coach offer them 50% of the sticker price and walk away and give them your phone number and tell them when they're willing to do a deal and sharpen their pencil because you're not going to pay sticker.

Best place to go get an RV is the look for local RV storage facilities businesses that store motorhomes for private individuals that are not allowed to keep their motorhomes at their homes. Many people that have motorhomes in storage probably only use him two or three times a year and they're tired of paying the insurance and they're tired of paying the storage fees and they want to sell those coaches and they're willing to take a loss just to get rid of it because they don't want it that expense anymore. 

And you don't have to pay sales tax when you buy from a private individual. And you do not have to pay a fat sales commission

It's talk about PDIs Predelivery inspections many RV dealerships will tell you that the coaches been completely inspected from one into the other. Most of the time that's all bulls*** because they do not want to pay a service technician to make sure that the coach is completely ready to go for the customer. Most of the time profit is more important than a happy customer and many RV dealerships do not care that your name is trashed because they're poor reputation
 
They will put a brand-new coach on the lot that's never been inspected and it could leak rain water all over your head and they would make up some kind of a cockamamie bull crap excuse why it's leaking water. Many RV salesmen are like traveling gypsies they couldn't keep a job at a regular business if their life depended on it
 
Never be too quick to go to an RV show and sale because many RV dealerships only employee their strongest shark sales people at their RV show and sales at football stadiums.
They want to make you think you're getting some kind of a special deal was really getting ready to happen is you're getting rated to be corn holed. They know that if they don't rip you off somebody else will. 
 
The best place like I said to go and buy an RV is to an RV storage facility that has a time of motor homes that are not being used and many times if you pay a little finders fee to the people that run the RV storage facility they will connect you with the people in that storage facility that have motorhomes for sale
 
List of advantages
 
No sales tax
No pushy sales people
No sales commission
Seller willing to take a loss to get rid of it
Seller willing to reveal to you all of the documents of the coaches past repairs
Seller might not know the current market value and willing to sell it for less
Have a motivated seller because they do not want to pay the storage facility
Have a motivated seller because they do not want to pay for insurance
Most of the time private sellers have no reason to lie to you or high documentation of past repairs
 
 
Dealer disadvantage
 
Soon as you get out a lot they will pounce on you like parana in a pool
The people you're going to talk to you have peanut butter in her ears they will not listen
They will walk you over to the coach that has the biggest profit that will go into their pocket
They will not show you any documents of the previous owner because they do not want you to talk to the previous owner
 
They do not want to be educated of the coaches history if it's used
They will double dip the warranty repairs on new coaches
It will promise you the world and give you nothing in writing
They will not show you any documents from the manufacture and if you have problems with the new coach they will not inform you of the contact information of the RV manufacture the bill to piece of crap that you bought
RVs depreciate faster than anything you can buy on the planet.
They will print out fake documents to make you think that you're getting a smoking deal on that special coach
They will never tell you or show you how to do an LP gas system leak check
They will never tell you that they did not do one.
 
So if Mr. hotdog salesman wants to sell you an RV coach and make a special deal telling what they say in Europe P*** OFF
 
Never go to an RV show and sale it's only to collect suckers that are willing to bend over and take it in the cornhole
 
 


Best regards.
consumer advocate

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