Complaint Review: Schneider National - Greenbay Wisconsin

Anthony,

Enough already.  You have no idea what the guy does or does not have.  Why don't you keep your comments limited to what you know and have physical proof of to be fact.  Are you even a truck driver?  Do you even have a CDL?  No need to keep arguing with people when you don't know what someone has and can't prove it either way.

if you don't like getting butt ra* dailey you're in the wrong company as Schnitter only wants to pay less then wat Walmart pays thats why drivers are paid less then $300/week on average!   Like my gay brother Anthony if your not grabbing your ankles hourly your not a fit employee for Schnitter!  So if your staying plan on a taking it hourly while earning less then Walmart worms and don't expect to retire with more then $100 in your pocket as that's all your going to have when your are crapped out like a turd and flushed after Schnitter National is done crapping all over you!

if you don't like getting butt raped dailey you're in the wrong company as Schnitter only wants to pay less then wat Walmart pays thats why drivers are paid less then $300/week on average!   Like my gay brother Anthony if your not grabbing your ankles hourly your not a fit employee for Schnitter!  So if your staying plan on a taking it hourly while earning less then Walmart worms and don't expect to retire with more then $100 in your pocket as that's all your going to have when your are crapped out like a turd and flushed after Schnitter National is done crapping all over you!

 Schneider has about 18,000 drivers on the road at any given time . There fore to them you are just a number and they could care less whether you are making any money at all . I signed on with them as a local / semi regional driver . I was told that I would make an average of 55,000 to 60,000 a year . Well let me tell you this I was running 60 to 65 hours a night . Sometimes getting back to the yard with 7-10 minutes of driving time left to spare. And I was taking home 400-450 a week . I had one week that I took home 752.00 and that was because they owed me milage and loads for the week before . This was like an everyweek occurance with me getting a pay check for 101.00 one week because they shorted me 450.00. I would get sent to places that were an hour and 45 minutes away when I only had 3 hours and 50 minutes left of driving time and told by the dispatchers , " Well don't worry if you go over your hours it isn't your fault" That is total BS , because if I get pulled over by DOT or have to stop at a weigh station they aren't going to want to hear " Well it's not my fault" When I signed on I was told that being local I would never work past 10-12 hours a day and wouldn't be driving no more than 7-8 hours . I was making more on unemployment than I was making working for these idiots.

I started checking Schneider out & was told the same about the miles, average 2500/week.  The Schneider Recruiter, Heather, sent me an email stating this also.  I was there 4 months.  I begged for more miles.  Schneider Recruiters should not put this type of thing in writing, if the company can not back it up.

Just ignore anthony. I didn't even read or respond to his last comment on the other schneider complaint dated 07/31/2008. I would never work for schneider they think they are better then other companies & hire smart mouth drivers.

Schneider also discriminates they have a I am better then you attitude & there smart mouths they had towards me. I wouldn't work for them even If I did get my experince they know how they talked to me. Anthony probally works for them he says he don't but I don't believe him anymore. I didn't even read his last response on the other schneider report. Schneider isn't worth crying over don't waste any of your time because they do not care. I believe they truly do take advantage of people but sense they have gotten away with It before they keep doing It because they will always be people like anthony who defend them.

Schneider also discriminates they have a I am better then you attitude & there smart mouths they had towards me. I wouldn't work for them even If I did get my experince they know how they talked to me. Anthony probally works for them he says he don't but I don't believe him anymore. I didn't even read his last response on the other schneider report. Schneider isn't worth crying over don't waste any of your time because they do not care. I believe they truly do take advantage of people but sense they have gotten away with It before they keep doing It because they will always be people like anthony who defend them.

Schneider also discriminates they have a I am better then you attitude & there smart mouths they had towards me. I wouldn't work for them even If I did get my experince they know how they talked to me. Anthony probally works for them he says he don't but I don't believe him anymore. I didn't even read his last response on the other schneider report. Schneider isn't worth crying over don't waste any of your time because they do not care. I believe they truly do take advantage of people but sense they have gotten away with It before they keep doing It because they will always be people like anthony who defend them.

Rich sez - "DON'T GO TO SCHNEIDER or get in writing your wages!" My Response - There are people in this world who think that everything is black and white. No trucking company in this nation, unless they paid a salary to drive a truck, could begin to give you a promised wage, nor would they be willing to put it in writing. There are too many variables to list that affect what you will make as a truck driver. Additionally, quoted wage ranges always reflect gross wage amounts. This is quite common when used to give people an idea what they will be making. The standard across the entire industry is to pay a driver on a performance basis, by the mile, and in most cases by a standard that usually leaves the driver on the short end of the stick. It's not right nor fair in many cases, but it is the standard that we drivers have had to live with for decades. Rich then goes on to say - "If they can't give you the miles, then they should not be telling you dollar amounts you are going to get!" My response - The trucking industry is not like many other types of work. It is entirely service based, and there are fluctuations that affect the work loads on a daily, weekly, monthly, and even yearly basis. You can't create a load of freight if no one has it to ship. Some people can deal with the fluctuations, and some cannot. People that come from jobs into the trucking industry, who previously worked jobs that involved hourly pay and consistent hours, have a hard time adapting to being subjected to varying work loads and pay. I'm a little peeved at the moment because my 401K is taking a hit due to the current climate on Wall Street. My investment portfolio is filled with information given to me that made claims that certain funds I am invested in provided an average return of 12% over the past five years. Over the past year, I have lost nearly 12% of the value I had invested in nearly all of those funds. The point is, that averages quoted by a company in regard to wages expected, in no way guarantee that in the future you will make the same amount. The economy of this nation has a direct affect on what all of us make driving those trucks. When it's good, we all have more to do than we want to. When it's bad, we suffer because the freight market tightens up. I estimate that I am making about 10%-20% less than what I was a decade ago, and it is directly related to the downturn in the economy that this nation has been going through over the past eight years. I work for a company that serves the furniture industry, and I can't begin to count the number of companies that have been in business for years manufacturing furniture, that have tanked over the past five years. I've seen a lot of people lose jobs that they held for decades. My company has had to adapt by hauling other types of freight to compensate, and even after doing that, I have weeks where I am left with little to do. Thankfully though, my down time is usually spent at home, rather than out on the road, waiting endlessly for a load when times are tough. Rich then sez - "When they pay me back, I'll do the same." My response - Yeah...I've read your complaint. It's typical of those who have no understanding of the industry and no way of grasping the concept of being paid based on performance. It just wasn't your cup of tea, was it? Rich drops the bomb - "I have 4 months of back pay coming! Claimed $47K - $55K the first year, I never averaged any one check larger then $31K." My response - First of all, no one from Schneider promised that you would make $47k - $55k as a first year driver. Based on the state where you live, the ESTIMATED pay range would have been $38,000 to $41,000 a year. And look at that word "estimated" until you understand it. It is not a promise, nor a lie. It is based upon the averages achieved over the previous year spread across other first year drivers. It is also based on a 2,100 to 2,800 mile per week average. If a driver is fortunate enough to live in an area where more home time is afforded to them, and if they take a vacation each year, those averages WILL drop. I'm also guessing that you didn't last long with them. No one owes you a dime that you did not work for, and the sad thing is that the concept as to why that is, will probably never dawn on you. The fact is that Schneider National Carriers offers the highest per-mile pay for first year drivers. You walked away from what would have eventually paid you well, had you rode out the bad to get to the good. Rich winds up with - "They will go down in the end, the company is on the wrong way side of the highway!" Contrary to your beliefs, Schneider will probably out live you. They have been around now for 73 years. They are privately held and operated, debt free, and are quite financially stable, even in these hard times. They are definitely not a company for everyone. But when it comes to those seeking to enter this industry in the most financially economical manner, without the risks associated with other companies, such as working conditions, pay while in training, accommodations while in training, the superior training program offered, and the care they take to screen those who train drivers out on the road, and the record of safety that they maintain in spite of a high level of inexperienced drivers on the road in their trucks at any given moment, no other company comes close. And of course, there are those people that are simply not cut out for the trucking industry, regardless of where they land within it. It's a tough job, with tough hours, and the pay structure across the entire industry absolutely sucks at times. If people are clock watchers, or count every minute that they consider themselves to be working, then they probably are not going to like trucking very much. People with no patience, nor any understanding that life does not revolve around what their personal needs and desires, shouldn't consider trucking as a career. They are not going to like the job at all. The only thing anyone can guarantee you about trucking, is that there are no guarantees at all.

You are 100% correct - DON'T GO TO SCHNEIDER or get in writing your wages! If they can't give you the miles, then they should not be telling you dollar amounts you are going to get! When they pay me back, I'll do the same. I have 4 months of back pay coming! Claimed $47K - $55K the first year, I never averaged any one check larger then $31K. They will go down in the end, the company is on the wrong way side of the highway! R. Menasha, WI

You are 100% correct - DON'T GO TO SCHNEIDER or get in writing your wages! If they can't give you the miles, then they should not be telling you dollar amounts you are going to get! When they pay me back, I'll do the same. I have 4 months of back pay coming! Claimed $47K - $55K the first year, I never averaged any one check larger then $31K. They will go down in the end, the company is on the wrong way side of the highway! R. Menasha, WI

You are 100% correct - DON'T GO TO SCHNEIDER or get in writing your wages! If they can't give you the miles, then they should not be telling you dollar amounts you are going to get! When they pay me back, I'll do the same. I have 4 months of back pay coming! Claimed $47K - $55K the first year, I never averaged any one check larger then $31K. They will go down in the end, the company is on the wrong way side of the highway! R. Menasha, WI

You are 100% correct - DON'T GO TO SCHNEIDER or get in writing your wages! If they can't give you the miles, then they should not be telling you dollar amounts you are going to get! When they pay me back, I'll do the same. I have 4 months of back pay coming! Claimed $47K - $55K the first year, I never averaged any one check larger then $31K. They will go down in the end, the company is on the wrong way side of the highway! R. Menasha, WI

Just ignore anthony he Is new & he loves to put down anyone who has something negative agaisnt schneider. Well I have moved on & people still love to send me negative comments they don't even know me. They say I am rip-off comic relief but I don't really care let them laugh there the ones who has the problem not me. They are other trucking schools who I can apply with. But I will not tell anything about It.

You said: "Once again your argument is the same. It never happened." I say: You're correct. It never happened. You said: "Again, I offered to send it to you via fax, but it seems you would rater take the 'they would never do such a thing' road." I say: I do not give personal phone numbers out to strangers. Besides, I can create anything I wanted on a letterhead with little trouble at all. You said: "I know for a fact that the average driver for Schneider does not average 2500 miles per week. I spoke to enough of them" I say: Really? When was this? Before you took the job, or after? Your 'facts' are clearly contrived. Schneider would not be in business if they could not offer less than an average of 2,500 miles to their drivers on a consistent basis. You said: "It is not because I was not avail. I never missed a work assignment and never took a day off other than normal TAH." Then what were you doing? Twiddling your thumbs? "Again, send fax # and I will supply copy of letter with the agreement that when you get it you come to this site and admit that you were totally wrong and as most suspect haven't a clue." No thanks. But why not have the courage of your convictions? Take that letter you claim to have to an Attorney, and front a lawsuit to sue to recover what you claim is owed to you. Debating it with me isn't going to solve a thing. I mean...let's face it - Why would you go to all the trouble to supposedly get such a promise in writing, if all you intend to do with it, is to refer to it in some complaint that you offer online? Why? Because it's BS. You're like most truck drivers these days, with no idea how to work out difficulties on the job. You quit, and then hold a grudge. You had the alleged forethought and 'intelligence' to get something in writing, yet you walked out the door without attempting to rectify your problems, and I know this is the case, because there is one thing you have failed to mention in all of this. Schneider has a staff of people, whose only jobs are to work to rectify driver issues and to get to the root of any problem that a driver has. Your original statement was that you "complained and got nothing except the old we will do the best we can." Who did you complain to? The point I am getting at, is that there is no way, given the fact that Schneider makes a very large investment in every new driver they train, that they would simply keep you sitting around and doing nothing, and let you leave without at least attempting to fix the problem for you. You said: "So againl. If you are not willing to see the facts as they stand be quiet. You really don't know nearly as much as you pretend." I'm sorry, as much as it may pain you, you don't get to make that kind of demand. You offered the complaint, and people are allowed to respond to it. That's the way it works. Your "facts" are accusations, plain and simple. You said: "And trust me, you have not hit a nerve with me. The only thing that irritates me is a person that actually thinks he or she knows more than the person with the actual facts. And that person is obviously you." I say: When you start offering facts, then we can have a serious discussion of them. Right now, we're debating accusations. You said: "So, for the LAST time, you or anyone else who thinks I am wrong give me a fax # ;and I will send a copy." I say: 1.) Even if you were given such a piece of paper, so what? Stating that you would average 2,500 miles per week is not a promise that you will achieve it each week. 2.) I can create a document on any letterhead with practically any office document creating program. Logos are a dime a dozen online. 3.) You want to prove something? post edited copies of your payroll statements online somewhere, all of which will list the miles you were paid on each week. There's your proof right there. I'm betting that if they were supplied, that your story would change dramatically, because there is no way you ran consistently less than 2,500 miles each and every week, save for two in seven months. You said: "The only reason for this thread is to let people know they had better get things in writing. You seem to think that Freight companies are hones and do not try and mislead these people to get them into that school so they can collect money from them. You are very foolish my boy." I'm a very big proponent of advising people to get things in writing. I've been screaming to the heavens above how dishonest companies can be to drivers, but Schneider is not anywhere near the top of the list of companies that operate dishonestly. They are rather pointedly honest with people, because they don't like to see people walk out the door on a whim. They'd rather scare off people who are unsure before they invest money in them for nothing. Had you stayed for the commitment period, you wouldn't be out a dime in tuition costs, or being billed for any remainder thereof. That was in writing, wasn't it? You said: "Now, ask yourself how many drivers that actually finish that school are still with Schneider 6 months after employment began. A very low percentage. Why is that. Because of all the miles they get lol. Don't give me the silly lifestyle crap. Anyone can stay in a truck. Hell even you." I say: The percentage of people that stay with Schneider after the commitment period is up, far exceeds that of any other training company out there. What the current percentage is at the moment, I don't know. I haven't communicated with the recruiting staff in some months now. You may have missed it, but I've been trucking for 30 years now. And you're wrong. Trucking, and especially over-the-road trucking, is not for everyone. Many people like the idea of it, but the reality of the situation turns them completely off to it after awhile. Even after all these years, I still like sleeping in my bed at home far better than I do sleeping in the truck. That eight foot by eight foot cell closes in after awhile. You said: "So, until you are man enough to see the facts and then admit you are wrong again, stay out of it. I'm just giving good advice to anyone thinking of going to the acadamy. It's fine with me if someone goes, just make sure you have yourself protected." I say: Sir, you don't get to make the invitation list around here. Your 'advice' is wide open to interpretation, and that's all there is to it. I interpret it as BS, and that there is more to your story than you are admitting to. You said: "Hell you almost seem like you just might work for Schneider with your silly defense." I say: Nope. I've never personally worked there, but I have assisted no less than a dozen people getting on board with them after they were initially rejected as candidates, and monitored their progress. Five of those people still work for them, and all of them are as happy as a clam. One of them has been on board three and a half years now. The newest one of the bunch just made the one year mark. I make no claim that Schneider is the best company out there, nor is it for everyone looking to enter the trucking industry, but if someone is searching for the most economical method of doing so, while offering the best chances of success after training is finished, then Schneider cannot be beat. If you don't think so, then go out and sign on with one of those other companies that offers to train drivers to see what it's all about. You'll come racing back real quick. Schneider gets my endorsement because they have proven to me that they stand far and above the rest of the pack when it comes to training standards, working environment, for excellent screening of trainers, and for the compensation offered a trainee before and after training is completed, and because they keep more people on board for longer periods of time than all the rest combined.

Once again your argument is the same. It never happened. It seems you don't think Schneider is that stupid. Well buddy, I guess they are. This letter is dated Aut 1st 2007 It clearly states average miles 2500 week and signed by Nannette Vandeernack on a Schneider letterhead. Again, I offered to send it to you via fax, but it seems you would rater take the "they would never do such a thing" road. Well they did. You can call people liars all you want. I know for a fact that the average driver for Schneider does not average 2500 miles per week. I spoke to enough of them It is not because I was not avail. I never missed a work assignment and never took a day off other than normal TAH. You choose to pretend to know a lot more than you do my friend. Again, send fax # and I will supply copy of letter with the agreement that when you get it you come to this site and admit that you were totally wrong and as most suspect haven't a clue. So againl. If you are not willing to see the facts as they stand be quiet. You really don't know nearly as much as you pretend. And trust me, you have not hit a nerve with me. The only thing that irritates me is a person that actually thinks he or she knows more than the person with the actual facts. And that person is obviously you. So, for the LAST time, you or anyone else who thinks I am wrong give me a fax # ;and I will send a copy. The only reason for this thread is to let people know they had better get things in writing. You seem to think that Freight companies are hones and do not try and mislead these people to get them into that school so they can collect money from them. You are very foolish my boy. Now, ask yourself how many drivers that actually finish that school are still with Schneider 6 months after employment began. A very low percentage. Why is that. Because of all the miles they get lol. Don't give me the silly lifestyle crap. Anyone can stay in a truck. Hell even you. So, until you are man enough to see the facts and then admit you are wrong again, stay out of it. I'm just giving good advice to anyone thinking of going to the acadamy. It's fine with me if someone goes, just make sure you have yourself protected. Hell you almost seem like you just might work for Schneider with your silly defense. Not that it really matters.

I have repeatedly advised people to get things in writing by any company out there, but your claim is outrageous, and it never happened. I know the company, and I know that no "promise" of any average mileage would have been given to you in writing. Doing so would have placed them in a contractual obligation to compensate you accordingly, and they are not that stupid. I have no doubt that the 2,500 average was verbally offered to you, and it can be found in published form in numerous places, including in advertisements and literature supplied to drivers, but there is no such thing as "guaranteeing" you an average of 2,500 miles per week. That is the fleet average, per year for all drivers. Let's look at this entire thing as you have presented it. Your claim is that you only achieved the 2,500 mile goal, twice in seven months? Can you point me to any other similar complaint that can be found online? Your claim is an enigma. Not only would you not be making any money, but Schneider wouldn't be making any money either, if such a low average were the case. I also fail to believe that if your mileage was that consistently low, that everyone that you talked to completely failed to rectify the situation. There has to be more to this story. Your complaint is yours to make, and one can choose to accept it at face value or reject it. I reject it, because it makes no sense. Schneider is not everyone's cup of tea, but a lack of work is not top on the list of things that people complain about. If anything, they complain about too much work. You offered: "The complaints you read are usually from some poor sap that went to the acadamy and failed to finish." My reply: For sure there are those type of complaints out there, but over the years, I have hired many drivers that have worked for Schneider. Very few have had harsh words to offer in regard to Schneider. A lack of home time is the chief complaint that people offer about the company. You offered: "I have no intention of making trucking my career. I retired in 2007 and decided that I wanted to see what it was like out there. Thats why I agreed to go with schneider." My reply: That's great. You're all set then. The last thing we need out here is more disgruntled people. The trucking industry is filled with folks with no social skills, no patience, and some with a complete lacking in the ability to understand that the world doesn't revolve around them and their wants every day of the week. You offered: "If you don't believe me fine. Maby it's because you just didn't have the intelligence to do it yourself." My reply: I've been around the block a time or two, and I can spot hype when I read it in a New York second. As to the level of my intelligence...well...I let my numerous and informative posts speak to that issue. You offered: "Don't talk of someones attitude when you have no idea who you are taling about. It makes you look like a fool." My reply: Hhhmm...I think it's clear that I struck a nerve.

Oh by the way Anthony. You really should learn to read better. I did not say drive 2500 miles every week. I stated that the letter assursed me of an average of 2500 miles per week. The complaints you read are usually from some poor sap that went to the acadamy and failed to finish. I finished and drove. I again, gave them the opportunity to live up to their agreement with me. Training for the REAL WORLD OF TRUCKING LOL. Get real buddy. I have no intention of making trucking my career. I retired in 2007 and decided that I wanted to see what it was like out there. Thats why I agreed to go with schneider. However, when you know you have to sign a contract you had better get their part of the deal in writing. Thats what I did. If you don't believe me fine. Maby it's because you just didn't have the intelligence to do it yourself. Don't talk of someones attitude when you have no idea who you are taling about. It makes you look like a fool.

Anthony: You have no clue. I have this letter on a schneider letterhead. Don't for a second think someone like you knows what I have in my possession. My statement is 100% correct and if you doubt it give me a fax # and I will send it to you. That is if you know how to operate a fax machine. I do not put myself in a situation like this without a signed agreement from the other party. The recruiter sent me a letter stating that I would average 2500 miles per week. PERIOD

...BS. No one sent you any letter with a Schneider logo on it, stating that you would be guaranteed an average of 2,500 miles per week. There is no one on God's green earth, with any company, who could make this promise to any driver. Trucking is a volatile industry, and there are never any guarantees that come with it. I do have to wonder though how it is that you only made that benchmark twice in seven months. It can't have been all their fault. Of all the complaints that I've read in regard to this company, only a handful of people have complained of low miles. Most of the time, it is discovered that the driver failed more often than not, to work within the system to make themselves available for loads at times when they are handed out. In other words, they failed to communicate with dispatch to make sure that they were on the radar screen. You're not the first to quit the company, and you will not be the first to default on the cost of them training you for the real world of trucking. But no one "owes" you six grand for anything. Good luck, because with that kind of attitude, you're destined to be one of the many drivers out there with twenty jobs in ten years that will have to be listed when they jump ship every time things don't go their way, and fill out another application.