Mike
Radford,#2Consumer Suggestion
Wed, May 23, 2007
The comment by "H" is exactly right. Every reputable company will hire you FIRST, then front the costs of any necessary training. In a few cases (e.g. truck driving) where the training is rather involved and expensive (NOT just two days in a classroom), you may be under a contract to pay them back if you quit or get fired before a certain time. But the important point is that you are already hired before you commit to that. The other red flag is that any time something will cost you money, the person selling it should immediately be able to tell you the exact amount without having to ask more than twice. If this amount is so "tiny" or "small", why doesn't the dealer just pay it? The whole thing is a scam to get many more applicants than are needed for the number of jobs avaialable, and take money from them.
Mike
Radford,#3Consumer Suggestion
Wed, May 23, 2007
The comment by "H" is exactly right. Every reputable company will hire you FIRST, then front the costs of any necessary training. In a few cases (e.g. truck driving) where the training is rather involved and expensive (NOT just two days in a classroom), you may be under a contract to pay them back if you quit or get fired before a certain time. But the important point is that you are already hired before you commit to that. The other red flag is that any time something will cost you money, the person selling it should immediately be able to tell you the exact amount without having to ask more than twice. If this amount is so "tiny" or "small", why doesn't the dealer just pay it? The whole thing is a scam to get many more applicants than are needed for the number of jobs avaialable, and take money from them.
Mike
Radford,#4Consumer Suggestion
Wed, May 23, 2007
The comment by "H" is exactly right. Every reputable company will hire you FIRST, then front the costs of any necessary training. In a few cases (e.g. truck driving) where the training is rather involved and expensive (NOT just two days in a classroom), you may be under a contract to pay them back if you quit or get fired before a certain time. But the important point is that you are already hired before you commit to that. The other red flag is that any time something will cost you money, the person selling it should immediately be able to tell you the exact amount without having to ask more than twice. If this amount is so "tiny" or "small", why doesn't the dealer just pay it? The whole thing is a scam to get many more applicants than are needed for the number of jobs avaialable, and take money from them.
Mike
Radford,#5Consumer Suggestion
Wed, May 23, 2007
The comment by "H" is exactly right. Every reputable company will hire you FIRST, then front the costs of any necessary training. In a few cases (e.g. truck driving) where the training is rather involved and expensive (NOT just two days in a classroom), you may be under a contract to pay them back if you quit or get fired before a certain time. But the important point is that you are already hired before you commit to that. The other red flag is that any time something will cost you money, the person selling it should immediately be able to tell you the exact amount without having to ask more than twice. If this amount is so "tiny" or "small", why doesn't the dealer just pay it? The whole thing is a scam to get many more applicants than are needed for the number of jobs avaialable, and take money from them.
H
Washington,#6Consumer Comment
Tue, May 22, 2007
Most reputable companies will pay you to train for their job. Even McDonald's does that. You don't need any type of license/accreditation/certification to sell cars, so TJ's example of having to have an insurance license does not compare. Also, I work for an insurance company and they not only paid me for training but they paid me to go through licensing classes AND they paid for my license itself. You should never have to pay to work for anyone. You'd get a better deal volunteering.
T.j.
Orange Park,,#7REBUTTAL Individual responds
Tue, May 22, 2007
Kim, I only recently learned of your frustration from a prospective student, a year after your certification . I am hurt that you never tried to contact me since I gave you my contact information after the graduation and asked you to contact me via email if I ever could be of assistance in your new career. It is especially hurtful since my character was called into question repeatedly throughout your statement. Let me begin by saying much of what you said was true. 1. You, like many others without any experience in auto sales, were invited to interview with me. 2. I did interview you along with about 50 others. 3. During that interview I did tell you that the dealership required you to be certified prior to consideration since you have absolutely NO EXPERIENCE in selling cars. 4. You used the words tiny and small for the certification fee and you used the words totally refundable. What I actually said, as I always do is: "The dealership does require a refundable tuition, but it is not expensive, in order to pay for your training, materials and cost of certification." 5. It is not unreasonable to expect a person to prepare themselves prior to employement. For example: Life Insurance Licensing, Realestate Licensing, Doctors, Lawyers, Electricians, Beauticians, teachers, dog groomers, Heating and Air Conditioning Specialist. All of these professions, as well as many more, expect a person to show credentials and usually experience in the particular field prior to employment. 6. You were told the dealership was willing to forgo experience if the individual would simply take a class prior to employment to ensure they possess the knowledge required for success. 7. During the interview I said that the car business was a retail sales environment that was 7 days a week with nights, weekends and holidays and you said you were ok with that or I would not have invited you back for training. 8. You were invited back for training and you were told that the dealership would even payroll deduct the cost of certification out of the salary that they guaranteed anyone who has completed my course if it was too much for you to come up with all at once. 9. You were also told once we have trained you we offer lifetime placement in the automobile business for all of our graduates should you become unemployed. 10. I also told you that the dealership would refund 100% of your tuition as long as you would stay with them 90 days so they could recoup the expense of your training and rucruitment. 11. By the lunch break on the FIRST DAY of certification training you knew the hours, the salary, the bonus and commission schedual, the cost of certification, the terms of refund and the possibility that we may need to place you at another dealership should this dealer not extend an offer. 12. Knowing everthing you showed up on Thursday and signed a contract with my company to pay $589 to become a Williams & Associates Certified Automobile Salesperson with lifetime placement. 13. You completed your training and were extended an offer of employement. I did not leave the dealership until I made sure everyone was extended an offer or informed what to do to arrange placement elsewhere. 14. You started at the dealership and decided that you didn't like the hours. However, during the interview and numerous times during the training you were told of the commitment it would take the first few years as well as the hours that would be required. 15. Kim, as long as you are current on your payments for your tuition we would be happy to assist you in finding a well paying position at a dealership in your area even though you quit from that last position we helped you obtain. 16. However, be prepared to work the hours of a professional salesperson in the retail business. I hope after reconsidering you will retract your statement but either way I will be happy to assist you in placement if you will contact me. Respectfully, T.J. Nelson