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Complaint Review: CR England - W Valley City Utah
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CR England
4701 W. 2100 S. W Valley City, 84120 Utah, U.S.A.
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CR England hooked into signing lease then held captive to pay lease with no extra money for self W Vally City Utah
My husband signed on with England almost 1 yr. ago. Oct. 26th,2007. I had made plans to homeschool our daughter and we would travel with him. Then at a later date I would join him in the driving part. But as of right now I'm scared to sign on with him. We're starting to try to figure out how we can get hime out from under them. CR England holds the contract over your head like how much they can harm you if you quit them. But they don't get you enough miles to pay lease,fuel,ins. and to be able to pay your house payment,power, and living expenses.
In a nutshell,they don't expect you to live. They only want you to exist long enough to get the lease paid down just enough that they can force you out of the picture and put some rookie in your truck. After you have spent month upon month struggling to survive and hang onto
what you hope will one day be "your" truck. They don't care about their drivers as people,they treat them like they're a bunch of cattle. To prod and poke and push just so they can make CR England a little richer. I don't know much about the Mormon religion. But I do know that if the Englands are any example of it,that it's no wonder they're not called Christians. There's no way these people could make it in the kingdom of heaven after what they have put so many men,women, and families through. I feel that they are now trying to get us to turn our truck in. Because they won't run us with the miles that it will take to make a living.And mind you I'm not talking a good living either,but enough so that our bills are paid and I don't have to worry about losing my house or braces for my little girl. They give us just enough to pay them. We can't even afford health/dental insurance,because then we wouldn't be able to afford to eat after paying our bills to ive. I'm at my wits end of trying to get these people to listen. I hope someday there is an attorney or a group of attorneys,that can come in and see to it that these drivers keep what they have bled,sweated,and cried for. And that CR England for once is made to feel the pain and misery that they have inflicted on so many human beings. I know they didn't force any man,or woman to sign these contracts. But I also know that not once did they tell a single one of them that after they signed on.they would lose everything. Even to everything that they had before coming to England. Savings is gone,pride is wounded.But they will not ever be able to say I failed. Because in truth they are the failures. They have failed mankind in compassion and in any sense of the word decency.
Thank you for giving me the chance to write this.I truly pray that it helps someone else know that if they are already with England,they are not alone.And if they have not yet signed on with England,please look else where.
Believe me there are alot of better companies out there. I've been there,done that.
Butterfly
Mt.Croghan, South Carolina
U.S.A.
In a nutshell,they don't expect you to live. They only want you to exist long enough to get the lease paid down just enough that they can force you out of the picture and put some rookie in your truck. After you have spent month upon month struggling to survive and hang onto
what you hope will one day be "your" truck. They don't care about their drivers as people,they treat them like they're a bunch of cattle. To prod and poke and push just so they can make CR England a little richer. I don't know much about the Mormon religion. But I do know that if the Englands are any example of it,that it's no wonder they're not called Christians. There's no way these people could make it in the kingdom of heaven after what they have put so many men,women, and families through. I feel that they are now trying to get us to turn our truck in. Because they won't run us with the miles that it will take to make a living.And mind you I'm not talking a good living either,but enough so that our bills are paid and I don't have to worry about losing my house or braces for my little girl. They give us just enough to pay them. We can't even afford health/dental insurance,because then we wouldn't be able to afford to eat after paying our bills to ive. I'm at my wits end of trying to get these people to listen. I hope someday there is an attorney or a group of attorneys,that can come in and see to it that these drivers keep what they have bled,sweated,and cried for. And that CR England for once is made to feel the pain and misery that they have inflicted on so many human beings. I know they didn't force any man,or woman to sign these contracts. But I also know that not once did they tell a single one of them that after they signed on.they would lose everything. Even to everything that they had before coming to England. Savings is gone,pride is wounded.But they will not ever be able to say I failed. Because in truth they are the failures. They have failed mankind in compassion and in any sense of the word decency.
Thank you for giving me the chance to write this.I truly pray that it helps someone else know that if they are already with England,they are not alone.And if they have not yet signed on with England,please look else where.
Believe me there are alot of better companies out there. I've been there,done that.
Butterfly
Mt.Croghan, South Carolina
U.S.A.
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Steve
Bradenton,Florida,
U.S.A.
You should have done your homework BEFORE signing the lease!! But I'll help you anyway!!
#2Consumer Suggestion
Fri, September 19, 2008
Like the old saying goes, if it sounds too good to be true, it usually is! FYI...There are NO GOOD LEASE DEALS. Period. Never sign a lease agreement that does not spell out performance of BOTH parties. They would have to stipulate a minimum rate per mile and minimum number of miles for you to intelligently evaluate the lease in the first place. What numbers did you use to evaluate the deal? The numbers the SALESMAN threw at you? HOWEVER....I do have a "way out" for you. Actually there are a few ways out. Hang in there and do these things, but DO NOT quit YET. **First, go to the IRS website and download form "SS-8" titled "Determination of Worker Status". Fill it out completely and truthfully, make about 5 copies of it, and then send the first one to the IRS address given in the directions for that form. The reason you want to do this is to challenge the "independent contractor" status you allegedly have, and legally be declared an EMPLOYEE. [Just because someone calls you an independent contractor, does not make you one, legally]. With this done, you can legally break the lease under the material misrepresentation clause in contract law and the provisions of the FMCSA regarding "leasing", and also get your SS taxes 100% paid, as well as your workmans comp prem and unemployment comp prem, as well as wages that equal at least minimum wage for all hours worked. Contact OOIDA as they have challenged CR England leases in court in a class action and won. CR England Leases are ILLEGAL, and the control they exert over you alone makes you an employee. This can be verified with the USDOL. Now, file a complaint with FMCSA regarding your lease. Send them a copy of it, along with your USDOL complaint, and your IRS form SS-8. Give it about 30-45 days until you get answers from all agencies, and then send a certified mail letter to CR England's legal dept informing them that due to the fact that the lease is illegal and you are actually an employee, you want the lease terminated, and you demand to be paid for all time as an EMPLOYEE. Now, send all of this to the State Dept of Labor where you live, attn wage and hour division. Have fun with these morons, then get paid!
