Complaint Review: Devry - Mississauga Ontario

Just wanted to let you guys know that DeVry has pulled out of Ontario completely - Both Mississauga and Toronto. According to DeVry, the refusal of the Province of Ontario to grant DeVry, degree granting status put the Ontario Campuses out of the picture as far as DeVry's future plans were concerned. Many commnuity colleges in Ontario have been granted this option, and i guess that DeVry just didn't feel they could compete with this chain around their neck. I went to DeVry...........definitely better than George Brown or Centennial........Durham College used to have a good electronic Eng. Tech. program up until the early 90's at least, so i don't know which school was better. I too have been caught up in this IT burst - no one to blame but myself. check out this HP jobs site: http://www.jobs.hp.com/content/search/search.asp?Lang=ENen look at how many great IT jobs are available in India. Don't u Toronto guys remember the Toronto Star's Career section from the mid 90's through early 2001? That's what those Indian positions remind me of - tons of great paying careers for anyone with the skills - life has changed, move on.

I have to strongly emphasize to all my fellow readers that DeVry is a waste of time and money. This is a question of opportunity costs, investments of time, effort, and resources, and the resultant return on investment. It has nothing to do with GPA. I achieved a 3.5 average and was listed on their honor roll. In this economy, with housing costs appreciating at 20% a year, with the housing affordability index at 22% and dropping, making $30,000 per annum is not a valid basis to invest $25,000-30,000 into a marginal education. Moreover, as Ontario stated, the technology jobs are not out there for anyone unless you work in India. Sure, it is better than working as a security guard. Is that what the American Dream boils down to: the lesser of two evils? A career as a security guard, or, a career as an unemployed IT graduate. Let us get real for a second. The American dream is about opportunity and ownership. It is about having a dream, striving for an education, working hard, and being rewarded for your efforts. It has nothing to do with multi-media, videogames, great movies in the library, going from minimum wage to lower class. That has nothing to do with the American dream. What America is today is a system dominated by Corporations, like DeVry, that set up schemes to exploit naive individuals who thirst for some opportunity that does not exist. What is the Presidential debate all about in 2004? Jobs!!! Where are the IT jobs? Not in Silicon Valley, Palo Alto, San Francisco, Hayward, Austin, TX, or any other U.S. city. Those jobs are gone . . . exported overseas because they can find someone to do the same job cheaper. Check the accounting balance sheets. It is all about the bottom line for these multinational corporations. DeVry is a for-profit Corporation, just like McDonalds, Pepsi, IBM, Toyota, B of A, etc. etc., and they have Wall Street interests. They operate on a pure profit motive. Look for DeVry on the NYSE. As for my educational credentials, I have a Bachelor's of Science degree in Biological Sciences from California State University, Northridge, and a minor in Business, Finance, and Taxation. I have achieved Honors at every collegiate institution of academic learning that I ever attended. I own and operate a credit consulting and consumer advocacy organization that I founded in 2000. I too operate my business to be profitable. However, I always put the interests and welfare of consumers first. I am committed to public service. A sentinel and guardian for the community. Heed my caution, and that of Ontario, Canada, and Colorado, and those others on this site. A DeVry education is the sale of false hope and a hollow dream. $30,000 a year means you are in a lower income bracket. Working on missile guidance systems does not make the world safer, or mean we have begun to care about one another the way we should as neighbors. DeVry is a greedy, for-profit corporation that markets itself to people who are needy. They are very persuasive in their campaign as we have read from the compiled testimonials. Keep the issues in focus. I wish everyone well regardless of what they decide to do for their future. Sincerely,

For the unsatisfied ex-students of DeVry from Northridge, California and Toronto, Canada. What were your Term GPA or your c*m.GPA? I really do find it funny the claims you make, but show now real facts. To me it sounds like you probably didn't even do good while at DeVry and probably wouldn't have done any good in any school anyways.

I found that DeVry was an outstanding choice for me. I guess it all depends on what you do with your degree. IT jobs are great, but I chose to go into a much more steady field. I graduated in 1996 with an Elec. Engineering degree, later followed by a Masters from Keller Grad school. i make more money than I could have from a state University. There is no comparison. A degree is a choice, not a fashion. i too know many IT people without jobs, just a bad choice. And there is nothing wrong with making weapons systems. I do not work in that field, but see nothing wrong with it. The kid slinging burgers at a fast food joint will probably kill more than that missle will.

I would strongly caution against anyone thinking about enrolling at DeVry. DeVry is a capitalistic, for-profit corporation that optimizes flashy marketing and selling hope to prospective students. A prospective applicant will be positioned to sign away a fortune in written contracts. If you are unable to make payments, DeVry will go out of its way to put you on collections and ruin your credit. Unlike public funded community college programs and universities, the bottom line with DeVry is making revenues. I would agree with the previous complainant that a prospective career in IT is not the promise to success and stability that it once was. I believe most of these jobs are being offshored to India where there is a large work force that offer technical expertise for far cheaper wages. Go to a community college. Request financial aid. Complete their program. You will avoid being in debt to your eyeballs. Education is not a for-profit endeavor. The purpose of a good education is to bring about enlightenment, to build the individual, build community, and ultimately, build a nation. With all due respect, building missiles and missile defense systems does not in any way contribute to the welfare of mankind. The events of today's world is the only evidence we need to show that everyone has the obligation to move to a positive path. It is important for everyone to make the right decisions. Warmest regards,

I would strongly caution against anyone thinking about enrolling at DeVry. DeVry is a capitalistic, for-profit corporation that optimizes flashy marketing and selling hope to prospective students. A prospective applicant will be positioned to sign away a fortune in written contracts. If you are unable to make payments, DeVry will go out of its way to put you on collections and ruin your credit. Unlike public funded community college programs and universities, the bottom line with DeVry is making revenues. I would agree with the previous complainant that a prospective career in IT is not the promise to success and stability that it once was. I believe most of these jobs are being offshored to India where there is a large work force that offer technical expertise for far cheaper wages. Go to a community college. Request financial aid. Complete their program. You will avoid being in debt to your eyeballs. Education is not a for-profit endeavor. The purpose of a good education is to bring about enlightenment, to build the individual, build community, and ultimately, build a nation. With all due respect, building missiles and missile defense systems does not in any way contribute to the welfare of mankind. The events of today's world is the only evidence we need to show that everyone has the obligation to move to a positive path. It is important for everyone to make the right decisions. Warmest regards,

I would strongly caution against anyone thinking about enrolling at DeVry. DeVry is a capitalistic, for-profit corporation that optimizes flashy marketing and selling hope to prospective students. A prospective applicant will be positioned to sign away a fortune in written contracts. If you are unable to make payments, DeVry will go out of its way to put you on collections and ruin your credit. Unlike public funded community college programs and universities, the bottom line with DeVry is making revenues. I would agree with the previous complainant that a prospective career in IT is not the promise to success and stability that it once was. I believe most of these jobs are being offshored to India where there is a large work force that offer technical expertise for far cheaper wages. Go to a community college. Request financial aid. Complete their program. You will avoid being in debt to your eyeballs. Education is not a for-profit endeavor. The purpose of a good education is to bring about enlightenment, to build the individual, build community, and ultimately, build a nation. With all due respect, building missiles and missile defense systems does not in any way contribute to the welfare of mankind. The events of today's world is the only evidence we need to show that everyone has the obligation to move to a positive path. It is important for everyone to make the right decisions. Warmest regards,

I would strongly caution against anyone thinking about enrolling at DeVry. DeVry is a capitalistic, for-profit corporation that optimizes flashy marketing and selling hope to prospective students. A prospective applicant will be positioned to sign away a fortune in written contracts. If you are unable to make payments, DeVry will go out of its way to put you on collections and ruin your credit. Unlike public funded community college programs and universities, the bottom line with DeVry is making revenues. I would agree with the previous complainant that a prospective career in IT is not the promise to success and stability that it once was. I believe most of these jobs are being offshored to India where there is a large work force that offer technical expertise for far cheaper wages. Go to a community college. Request financial aid. Complete their program. You will avoid being in debt to your eyeballs. Education is not a for-profit endeavor. The purpose of a good education is to bring about enlightenment, to build the individual, build community, and ultimately, build a nation. With all due respect, building missiles and missile defense systems does not in any way contribute to the welfare of mankind. The events of today's world is the only evidence we need to show that everyone has the obligation to move to a positive path. It is important for everyone to make the right decisions. Warmest regards,

I'm happy for you that Devry worked out so well for you, it good to know that there are people out there who's education is paying off and are ending up in careers that they enjoy and are happy in, congradulations on your success. As for my rebuttal to your rebuttal. You took a very diffrent course then I did. I took an IT network admisistration course. I understand your comments about how equptiment from decades ago is still good, but this isn't the case with computers. Computers are forever updating and changing, I have heard that there is more change in 5 years in the computer industry then you have in 30 in others. Their computers were years out of date, (both hardware and software). When learning computers you need to be up to date, you simply can't be competitive when what your learning was outdated in some cases years ago. This is what my complaint was, the quality of the classes was not bad, and was in fact pretty good, but for what I was paying, I espected at least a little more, I mean even one of the teachers we had was in shock when we found out what we wern't taught and when he saw the machines were were working on.

I went to DeVry in Phoenix, AZ when I was 19 in 1999. I got my ASSOCIATE OF APPLIED SCIENCE IN ELECTRONICS AND COMPUTER TECHNOLOGY in March of 2001 with a 3.2 GPA. We had a class of 30 or so and only 4 people didnt have a job in some kind of Technology Company by the last month of school. I was one of those 4 people but then in the last week of school after 15 or so job interviews set up and prepared by DeVry career services I got a job offer from Litton Guidance & Control Systems in Salt Lake city I took the job and moved to Salt Lake city in March of 2001 only weeks after graduating from DeVry. My fist job out of DeVry was the coolest. I worked on the guidance systems of ALCM and Tomahawk missiles. If it werent for DeVry I wouldnt have had this cool job. Going to the DeVry in Phoenix, AZ was one of the smartest things I did in my life. Yes, it is expensive and I do have student loans from DeVry that add up to 15,000 or so but making about 30,000 + right out of DeVry is cool with me. The equipment we had at DeVry was great and we go new computers new Oscilloscopes both digital and analog. Some of the equipment looks old but still does its job, This guy thats got a problem with DeVry doesnt seem to realize that engineering a Oscilloscope, Signal Generators, and Multimeters doesnt take in to account how new it looks most good equipment will have a 70s brown or a retro look to them but thats good because that shows that that piece of equipment has been in use and working properly for 3 or more decades. The teachers were great and would go out of their way to help out students. Shoot I even remember checking out the T2 and the Matrix a few times from the library at DeVry. It was a great school. Now thanks to DeVry and my new education at ITT in Murray, UT I got a new job at Hill Air Force Base in UT. Im a Calibration Technician for Bionetics making about 35,000 to 40,000+ a year. (Thats if I want to work over time, weekends off and paid holydays). Thats a big difference from what I was making when I first start going to school at DeVry, I only make 7.50 as a security guard and that was a other job that DeVry help me get when I moved to Phoenix. I think that people have a problem they just want to put blame on some one else or some thing else. DeVry gives you the tools and skills to accomplish great things in your life, but if you dont use those tools or give up hope because you lost your job then youll never succeed in life. I think anonymous in Canada and others like him need to read a book given to me by a Teacher in a school just like DeVry its called Who Moved My Cheese? by Spencer, M.D. Johnson.