Nancy
Phoenix,#2Consumer Comment
Mon, August 16, 2004
Please listen to what Darren and Tim have said to you in their rebuttals. They both have given excellent advice. Get out of there as fast as you can. Find someone, family, friends, a woman's shelter, anywhere to get away from this guy. I speak from experience. You said you don't feel he will hurt you cause he knows you will call 911. Please consider this. He walks up behind you as he normally would, but this time he knocks you in the back of the head rendering you unconscious. You can't dial 911 for help when you are out cold and then he can do whatever he wants to you. Even if you could get to a phone, the police cannot get there on a minute's notice. Could you hold this guy off you for 10 minutes or so until the police get there to help you? Your best option is to leave now. Get out, get safe. Tim, if Darren gets the angel named after him, will you name the brat on the other shoulder after me? LOL. Hope all is well with you and yours. See ya in the TL reports Darren. :)
Sonia S
Tamarac,#3Consumer Comment
Mon, August 16, 2004
I am leaving him pretty soon before he would get me. He is so dum by telling me about that case. Does not he think that I am observing him? Because he has a lot money, he thinks he all that(sorry for him) Thank you everyone for your advise.
Shelby
Tamarac,#4Consumer Comment
Sun, August 15, 2004
I am so sorry for my self because he would have less money to take care of me, but he went to jail and spending a lot of money. He is paying for what he did. He can not beat me, because he knows that I would dial 911. I am not going to be scared to call them. I do not want him. I am just definding my money. I am even thinking about being a withness on behalf of that woman from what that guy is saying to me. He and his lawyer are liers. He may get away with it, but he needs to look at the money he is spending because of that.
Darren
Neenah,#5Consumer Comment
Sat, August 14, 2004
Tim, I think that the lawyer is more than capable of taking care of himself... he doesn't need my defending him. My concern was that a woman would stay with an abusive boyfriend... if he is abusive then she need to get out of there. Maybe I am too skeptical when it comes to lawyers. Here is an article where the DA from my county got 58 months for fixing cases. This wasn't an assistant DA... it was the big man himself. http://www.wisinfo.com/postcrescent/news/archive/local_17161262.shtml (this should also give those people in Tupper Lake some ideas if they really do have a corrupt system) He sold his soul and the integrety of the law for $48,000. This was two lawyers working to subvert the system. Along with 50% of the people being unhappy with their lawyers... 50% graduate in the bottom half of their class (on a bell curve grading system). IF a lawyer is going to be sneaky, then the most you are likely to find is hearsay, he isn't going to leave a paper trail. That is why I said regardless of the lawyer. I should have included "whether he did what was claimed or not." I would be happy to be the namesake of your angel. Thanks,
Darren
Neenah,#6Consumer Comment
Sat, August 14, 2004
Tim, I think that the lawyer is more than capable of taking care of himself... he doesn't need my defending him. My concern was that a woman would stay with an abusive boyfriend... if he is abusive then she need to get out of there. Maybe I am too skeptical when it comes to lawyers. Here is an article where the DA from my county got 58 months for fixing cases. This wasn't an assistant DA... it was the big man himself. http://www.wisinfo.com/postcrescent/news/archive/local_17161262.shtml (this should also give those people in Tupper Lake some ideas if they really do have a corrupt system) He sold his soul and the integrety of the law for $48,000. This was two lawyers working to subvert the system. Along with 50% of the people being unhappy with their lawyers... 50% graduate in the bottom half of their class (on a bell curve grading system). IF a lawyer is going to be sneaky, then the most you are likely to find is hearsay, he isn't going to leave a paper trail. That is why I said regardless of the lawyer. I should have included "whether he did what was claimed or not." I would be happy to be the namesake of your angel. Thanks,
Darren
Neenah,#7Consumer Comment
Sat, August 14, 2004
Tim, I think that the lawyer is more than capable of taking care of himself... he doesn't need my defending him. My concern was that a woman would stay with an abusive boyfriend... if he is abusive then she need to get out of there. Maybe I am too skeptical when it comes to lawyers. Here is an article where the DA from my county got 58 months for fixing cases. This wasn't an assistant DA... it was the big man himself. http://www.wisinfo.com/postcrescent/news/archive/local_17161262.shtml (this should also give those people in Tupper Lake some ideas if they really do have a corrupt system) He sold his soul and the integrety of the law for $48,000. This was two lawyers working to subvert the system. Along with 50% of the people being unhappy with their lawyers... 50% graduate in the bottom half of their class (on a bell curve grading system). IF a lawyer is going to be sneaky, then the most you are likely to find is hearsay, he isn't going to leave a paper trail. That is why I said regardless of the lawyer. I should have included "whether he did what was claimed or not." I would be happy to be the namesake of your angel. Thanks,
Darren
Neenah,#8Consumer Comment
Sat, August 14, 2004
Tim, I think that the lawyer is more than capable of taking care of himself... he doesn't need my defending him. My concern was that a woman would stay with an abusive boyfriend... if he is abusive then she need to get out of there. Maybe I am too skeptical when it comes to lawyers. Here is an article where the DA from my county got 58 months for fixing cases. This wasn't an assistant DA... it was the big man himself. http://www.wisinfo.com/postcrescent/news/archive/local_17161262.shtml (this should also give those people in Tupper Lake some ideas if they really do have a corrupt system) He sold his soul and the integrety of the law for $48,000. This was two lawyers working to subvert the system. Along with 50% of the people being unhappy with their lawyers... 50% graduate in the bottom half of their class (on a bell curve grading system). IF a lawyer is going to be sneaky, then the most you are likely to find is hearsay, he isn't going to leave a paper trail. That is why I said regardless of the lawyer. I should have included "whether he did what was claimed or not." I would be happy to be the namesake of your angel. Thanks,
Tim
Valparaiso,#9Consumer Comment
Sat, August 14, 2004
Darren, two years from now when I am out in the field I will name the little angel on my shoulder after you. There's a couple of things you need to take into perspective, however. First, consider that 50% of the people who are unfortunate enough to need the services of a lawyer are going to walk away from the situation unhappy. Couple that with the fact that nearly 100% of the people who hire lawyers think that they have a great claim or defense. Simple human nature dictates that, when that 50% is unhappy with their experence, they will seek a receptacle of blame other than the weakness of their claim or defense. Lawyers, judges, and adversaries all make easy targets, especially when you consider that most people have no idea how the law works, and why it didn't work for them. Here's a simple creedo: if everybody is wrong but you, maybe you need to rethink your position. Consider how many of these reports are placed by people who felt wronged by one lawyer, and then went around to several other lawyers who wouldn't take their inadequate counsel case, and then went to the state bar who decided that their complaint was without merit. What is the explanation given by the reporter? "All lawyers are scum and they won't stand up against one of their own." The reaity is that lawyers don't really mind suing other lawyers (after all, lawyers tend to have deeper pockets than most defendants), and that the system of oversight in the legal field is one the most stringent of all professions. This is not to say that there are no bad lawyers, or that there are no accurate complaints against lawyers on this site. But there are alot of very serious accusations posted, most of which just don't ring true, are factually inconsistent, or are just plain incoherent rantings. Consider the above report. Having read it several times over I canot discern what the accusation is in the first place. I think it has something to do with subornation of perjury. What I can tell, however, is that the report is based on pure hearsay, the original source of which is a confessed womanizer whose defense to hitting his girlfriend was "she made me mad." Who is the purveyor of this hearsay? Surprisingly, its the current girlfriend, who apparently thinks domestic abuse is acceptable, so long as minimal justification exists. For the purpose of giving us an accurate picture of the ethical standards of this attorney, this report is worthless. The lawyer told the ex that he wasn't going to win his case without a witness that could corroborate his story. The ex went out and found someone to lie for him, and paid her to do so. Doesn't that sound FAR more likely than this: "Mr. seitel told him to get someone who is not scare and pay somemoney to take the stand for him which he did. He paid a woman to lie pretanding like she was the withness. He told me that (she was not there, but thank god everybody believe me) said the defendant and the case is still going on because of his lies and his client." I don't want to sound like a jerk who always takes the lawyer's side, but these are extremely grave accusations. It disturbs me to think that this lawyer, who may well be a very fine, upstanding member of his profession (admittedly he may not) could have his reputation destroyed by a report that is unreliable at best.
Tim
Valparaiso,#10Consumer Comment
Sat, August 14, 2004
Darren, two years from now when I am out in the field I will name the little angel on my shoulder after you. There's a couple of things you need to take into perspective, however. First, consider that 50% of the people who are unfortunate enough to need the services of a lawyer are going to walk away from the situation unhappy. Couple that with the fact that nearly 100% of the people who hire lawyers think that they have a great claim or defense. Simple human nature dictates that, when that 50% is unhappy with their experence, they will seek a receptacle of blame other than the weakness of their claim or defense. Lawyers, judges, and adversaries all make easy targets, especially when you consider that most people have no idea how the law works, and why it didn't work for them. Here's a simple creedo: if everybody is wrong but you, maybe you need to rethink your position. Consider how many of these reports are placed by people who felt wronged by one lawyer, and then went around to several other lawyers who wouldn't take their inadequate counsel case, and then went to the state bar who decided that their complaint was without merit. What is the explanation given by the reporter? "All lawyers are scum and they won't stand up against one of their own." The reaity is that lawyers don't really mind suing other lawyers (after all, lawyers tend to have deeper pockets than most defendants), and that the system of oversight in the legal field is one the most stringent of all professions. This is not to say that there are no bad lawyers, or that there are no accurate complaints against lawyers on this site. But there are alot of very serious accusations posted, most of which just don't ring true, are factually inconsistent, or are just plain incoherent rantings. Consider the above report. Having read it several times over I canot discern what the accusation is in the first place. I think it has something to do with subornation of perjury. What I can tell, however, is that the report is based on pure hearsay, the original source of which is a confessed womanizer whose defense to hitting his girlfriend was "she made me mad." Who is the purveyor of this hearsay? Surprisingly, its the current girlfriend, who apparently thinks domestic abuse is acceptable, so long as minimal justification exists. For the purpose of giving us an accurate picture of the ethical standards of this attorney, this report is worthless. The lawyer told the ex that he wasn't going to win his case without a witness that could corroborate his story. The ex went out and found someone to lie for him, and paid her to do so. Doesn't that sound FAR more likely than this: "Mr. seitel told him to get someone who is not scare and pay somemoney to take the stand for him which he did. He paid a woman to lie pretanding like she was the withness. He told me that (she was not there, but thank god everybody believe me) said the defendant and the case is still going on because of his lies and his client." I don't want to sound like a jerk who always takes the lawyer's side, but these are extremely grave accusations. It disturbs me to think that this lawyer, who may well be a very fine, upstanding member of his profession (admittedly he may not) could have his reputation destroyed by a report that is unreliable at best.
Tim
Valparaiso,#11Consumer Comment
Sat, August 14, 2004
Darren, two years from now when I am out in the field I will name the little angel on my shoulder after you. There's a couple of things you need to take into perspective, however. First, consider that 50% of the people who are unfortunate enough to need the services of a lawyer are going to walk away from the situation unhappy. Couple that with the fact that nearly 100% of the people who hire lawyers think that they have a great claim or defense. Simple human nature dictates that, when that 50% is unhappy with their experence, they will seek a receptacle of blame other than the weakness of their claim or defense. Lawyers, judges, and adversaries all make easy targets, especially when you consider that most people have no idea how the law works, and why it didn't work for them. Here's a simple creedo: if everybody is wrong but you, maybe you need to rethink your position. Consider how many of these reports are placed by people who felt wronged by one lawyer, and then went around to several other lawyers who wouldn't take their inadequate counsel case, and then went to the state bar who decided that their complaint was without merit. What is the explanation given by the reporter? "All lawyers are scum and they won't stand up against one of their own." The reaity is that lawyers don't really mind suing other lawyers (after all, lawyers tend to have deeper pockets than most defendants), and that the system of oversight in the legal field is one the most stringent of all professions. This is not to say that there are no bad lawyers, or that there are no accurate complaints against lawyers on this site. But there are alot of very serious accusations posted, most of which just don't ring true, are factually inconsistent, or are just plain incoherent rantings. Consider the above report. Having read it several times over I canot discern what the accusation is in the first place. I think it has something to do with subornation of perjury. What I can tell, however, is that the report is based on pure hearsay, the original source of which is a confessed womanizer whose defense to hitting his girlfriend was "she made me mad." Who is the purveyor of this hearsay? Surprisingly, its the current girlfriend, who apparently thinks domestic abuse is acceptable, so long as minimal justification exists. For the purpose of giving us an accurate picture of the ethical standards of this attorney, this report is worthless. The lawyer told the ex that he wasn't going to win his case without a witness that could corroborate his story. The ex went out and found someone to lie for him, and paid her to do so. Doesn't that sound FAR more likely than this: "Mr. seitel told him to get someone who is not scare and pay somemoney to take the stand for him which he did. He paid a woman to lie pretanding like she was the withness. He told me that (she was not there, but thank god everybody believe me) said the defendant and the case is still going on because of his lies and his client." I don't want to sound like a jerk who always takes the lawyer's side, but these are extremely grave accusations. It disturbs me to think that this lawyer, who may well be a very fine, upstanding member of his profession (admittedly he may not) could have his reputation destroyed by a report that is unreliable at best.
Darren
Neenah,#12Consumer Comment
Thu, August 12, 2004
Sonia, Regardless of the attorney... I hope that you leave this boyfriend of your's immediately. Any man that hits his wife/girlfriend/child/stranger because they made him mad needs to be left. You are right... you could be the next one that he is going to court for because he beat you too. It is too bad when lawyers forget that they are officers of the court and mistake winning for justice. There isn't a lot you can do about that but you can take care of yourself.