Complaint Review: Imperial Shih Tzus By Debbie Jensen - Warren, Michigan--Detroit---michigan,, Las Vegas- Nv Michigan

I also bought an Imperial puppy from Deb when she was in Detroit. I paid 1100 and fought with her a year to get the AKC papers. She ended up confessing that she had shipped out 2 puppies on the same day and sent me the wrong puppy. NOT AN IMPERIAL that I paid for. Her solution to resolve the situation was to PAY to fly the dog back and I would be sent an new one. I love Shih Tzus and explained to her that after a year, this baby was a part of our family and I could not just send him back. I asked for her to refund me the difference of 400.00. After several nasty emails and phone conversations, she refused and then was just gone. Months after that she surfaced in Las Vegas on the Internet.

I also bought an Imperial puppy from Deb when she was in Detroit. I paid 1100 and fought with her a year to get the AKC papers. She ended up confessing that she had shipped out 2 puppies on the same day and sent me the wrong puppy. NOT AN IMPERIAL that I paid for. Her solution to resolve the situation was to PAY to fly the dog back and I would be sent an new one. I love Shih Tzus and explained to her that after a year, this baby was a part of our family and I could not just send him back. I asked for her to refund me the difference of 400.00. After several nasty emails and phone conversations, she refused and then was just gone. Months after that she surfaced in Las Vegas on the Internet.

I also bought an Imperial puppy from Deb when she was in Detroit. I paid 1100 and fought with her a year to get the AKC papers. She ended up confessing that she had shipped out 2 puppies on the same day and sent me the wrong puppy. NOT AN IMPERIAL that I paid for. Her solution to resolve the situation was to PAY to fly the dog back and I would be sent an new one. I love Shih Tzus and explained to her that after a year, this baby was a part of our family and I could not just send him back. I asked for her to refund me the difference of 400.00. After several nasty emails and phone conversations, she refused and then was just gone. Months after that she surfaced in Las Vegas on the Internet.

I also bought an Imperial puppy from Deb when she was in Detroit. I paid 1100 and fought with her a year to get the AKC papers. She ended up confessing that she had shipped out 2 puppies on the same day and sent me the wrong puppy. NOT AN IMPERIAL that I paid for. Her solution to resolve the situation was to PAY to fly the dog back and I would be sent an new one. I love Shih Tzus and explained to her that after a year, this baby was a part of our family and I could not just send him back. I asked for her to refund me the difference of 400.00. After several nasty emails and phone conversations, she refused and then was just gone. Months after that she surfaced in Las Vegas on the Internet.

Marie, I'm not sure what you are trying to pull but if you have proof, then post it. Put your money where your mouth is. Or in this case, where your typing fingers are. You know what? You won't be able to. You are lying. Plain and simple. Honestly I think you are the same Marie from Cobleskill NY due to you posted the same basic things that she did. In the letter you posted about me you put that Deb and I are dualing rip offs and now you say Deb, Sherry and I are. Make up your mind!

I know this is to the contrary to all the posting on this site, but i have proof that Debbie J,Crystal and Sherri Andrews are good friends. They are just dualling ripoff artists with a methold to their maddeness. Dont' ask me why this would be benificial for their business. But it's on google search.

I am disgusted that a few breeders would knock a reputable breeder like Crystal just to get more sales. I was at Crystals IMMACULATE home and was not only impressed with the quality of my pup, but also learned that this woman also RESCUES and spays and neuters OUT OF HER OWN POCKET. How many breeders do this act of kindness? Not the ones that I suspect are posting this. Look up her name right here and on thecomplaintstation and the complaints tell all..."Sherry Andrews".How many rescues or non-producing animals does she own??? NONE!!!!!! EXACTLY MY POINT. There is a saying Ms.Andrews,"You should never spit into a glass of water, you may have to drink from it later on".This applies to you Ms.Andrew. Think about it if you have any cerebral capabilities at all. Your site is a turnoff to many people and so are your dogs. This breeder bashing and jealousy sickens myself and many people I know. In closing, I will say that Crystal is one hell of a breeder and I recommend her to everyone. And she is also one of the most decent people I have ever met...

Marie from Cobleskill NY is none other than Willow Rose Shih Tzu in NY. I first met them when they approached me to purchase a puppy. I did not at the time know they were breeders and they told me that they had only two animals at the time. A cat and a dog! I have saved emails to prove this. This was a lie! I found out after that they are breeders. What followed was a lot of lies and deceit. As you can see from the name they posted under, not only did they lie but they also didn't have the guts to post under their real name. You can read the full rebuttal at badbreeders.jislaaik.com/ . Copy and paste it into your browser. I could not make it clickable due to Rip Off would remove it. If they still remove it anyway, do a search on Mei Li Shih Tzu and email me and ask for the link. I'll be happy to send it to you. These people tried to get me to go to Judge Judt and now go around telling people they had a lawsuit against me and had my trip paid for and I just wouldn't go. However they won't tell people they only wanted me to go on Judge Judy. They were asked for vet papers and I was told to chalk it up to them getting lost in the mail. They wanted to keep the pups they got from me and wanted me to give them a full refund. As I said, to much detail to go into right here. So if you want the link to the website, you can email me and I will send it. Then you will see proof in black and white of who is telling the truth as I included copies of emails and etc.

Sorry but I am not anybody but myself. I lost my leg and my left hand fingers are frozen in a claw. It is a fact. I type with my right only, and one fnger often, dont always hit the keys perfect. If you look closely at my website you can see it but if you want proof email me and I will show you a photo of my hand

I just wanted to say that I recently came upon this site & was appauled at some of the posts' that I have read here. I not only own one of Crystal's pups but I own two of them. Both times' when getting my puppy I was allowed to visit her home. Each time it was clean & her adults' & babies' looked wonderful. All of her adults' were well behaved & loved to snuggle. Should I ever decide to bring another puppy into my home, I will not hesitate to go to Crystal. I have refered my friends' as well as my family to her. Both of my pups' were clean and in top health when I aquired them. My mother adopted a most precious little rescue from Crystal that Crystal took from a most horrible situation & nursed back to health. Not only did I get two wonderful pups' from Mei Li but I also made a wonderful friend. Anytime I need her or have a question she is there to answer them for me. She has even came to my home & showed me how to groom the pups' on my own & and asked nothing in return. She never turns' down anyone who needs' help. Even if they didn't get a puppy from her. She turns' noone away. I have to say to those who sit here & read and believe any of this should be ashamed. It looks' like some of you need to do your homework & stop paying attention to one person who seems' to have it out for her due to jealousy. I have never seen a breeder before more willing to help others'. If you believe a person who won't even sign her real name & everything you see posted here as the truth, then I have a bridge in China for sale if anyone is interested.

Okay my head has been hurting from reading all these emails.I've been reading for like 3 hours.I went to a website cuz I wanted an imperial shih tzu, but now from what I've been reading I changed my mind. I am now just going to buy a standard shih tzu.So thank you for the info. Why i think Debbie is some of these other people is because on one email i think her name was michelle from Vegas was talking about her grammer and debbie had said it was because she only had one hand, and was using one finger. I had remembered that email then later on as I was reading there was a Maureen from New York she also had a little bit of bad grammer, and at the end she wrote something like "sorry AGAIN about my type my hands are bad",but that was the first time I read Maureens email. Then Maureen emailed again,and said it again.If it was Maureens first time emailing why did she say"sorry again for my type".ALL THAT I COULD THINK IS THAT THAT WAS DEBBIE EMAILING AS MAUREEN. I also went to debbies website and she lied when she said she only had one hand.

Okay my head has been hurting from reading all these emails.I've been reading for like 3 hours.I went to a website cuz I wanted an imperial shih tzu, but now from what I've been reading I changed my mind. I am now just going to buy a standard shih tzu.So thank you for the info. Why i think Debbie is some of these other people is because on one email i think her name was michelle from Vegas was talking about her grammer and debbie had said it was because she only had one hand, and was using one finger. I had remembered that email then later on as I was reading there was a Maureen from New York she also had a little bit of bad grammer, and at the end she wrote something like "sorry AGAIN about my type my hands are bad",but that was the first time I read Maureens email. Then Maureen emailed again,and said it again.If it was Maureens first time emailing why did she say"sorry again for my type".ALL THAT I COULD THINK IS THAT THAT WAS DEBBIE EMAILING AS MAUREEN. I also went to debbies website and she lied when she said she only had one hand.

Okay my head has been hurting from reading all these emails.I've been reading for like 3 hours.I went to a website cuz I wanted an imperial shih tzu, but now from what I've been reading I changed my mind. I am now just going to buy a standard shih tzu.So thank you for the info. Why i think Debbie is some of these other people is because on one email i think her name was michelle from Vegas was talking about her grammer and debbie had said it was because she only had one hand, and was using one finger. I had remembered that email then later on as I was reading there was a Maureen from New York she also had a little bit of bad grammer, and at the end she wrote something like "sorry AGAIN about my type my hands are bad",but that was the first time I read Maureens email. Then Maureen emailed again,and said it again.If it was Maureens first time emailing why did she say"sorry again for my type".ALL THAT I COULD THINK IS THAT THAT WAS DEBBIE EMAILING AS MAUREEN. I also went to debbies website and she lied when she said she only had one hand.

Okay my head has been hurting from reading all these emails.I've been reading for like 3 hours.I went to a website cuz I wanted an imperial shih tzu, but now from what I've been reading I changed my mind. I am now just going to buy a standard shih tzu.So thank you for the info. Why i think Debbie is some of these other people is because on one email i think her name was michelle from Vegas was talking about her grammer and debbie had said it was because she only had one hand, and was using one finger. I had remembered that email then later on as I was reading there was a Maureen from New York she also had a little bit of bad grammer, and at the end she wrote something like "sorry AGAIN about my type my hands are bad",but that was the first time I read Maureens email. Then Maureen emailed again,and said it again.If it was Maureens first time emailing why did she say"sorry again for my type".ALL THAT I COULD THINK IS THAT THAT WAS DEBBIE EMAILING AS MAUREEN. I also went to debbies website and she lied when she said she only had one hand.

Smeggy (Smeggy Jensen TP292349/03 )and Soso's (International Ch. Beijai Hai Calypso) the litter number was TR220996. TR22099602 Gentleman's Quarterly For Tamara 'Gq' was the only pup registered. check AKC records Smeggy had one litter in her life bred to S0SO It was Soso black and white bred to Smeggy red and white . Gabe was never involved. Plus I bought Smeggy from a breeder so its all nonsense about her written in these reports. proof is here imperialshihtzu.com/smeggy.html But of course its possible for two gold and whites and a red and white to produce a black and white When breeding 30 % comes from sire 40 % from Dam the grandparents have a percentage and so do Great Grand Parents. This was totally made up by someone. Why I still don't know. I've never sold a pup to anybody up here but my guess is I am taking away their business and they are jealous especially since I wouldn't sell them a dog. All of them tried to buy one and when I said no for various reasons they posted all this nonsense to bash me.

You all need to take a very close look at Pat and Maries posts. Their formats are exactly alike. Words are spelled the same even when misspelled. They like to type in many paragraphs. Each one short. Pat and Marie are the same person.

Donna I have been debateing as to if I should write to you about your post and have decided that I will only because I feel you should be educated on genetics. I am not posting this to be mean to you at all. I am only trying to help you if you ever decide to post about this again. Your posting that "I find it amazing that two beige dogs are producing black and white pups. The dominant black and white can only be from Debbie's other stud, Soso." is wrong as far as genetics are concerned. Two beige dogs CAN produce black and white puppies. If it is in their genetics background and pedigree it is very possible. Just because mom and dad are one coloring does not mean that the puppies will be that coloring. I have seen a golden and a red and white produce a solid black puppy due to black genes being very close on the moms pedigree. So this is very possible and it happens often. Again, it all depends on what you have in your lines. NOT what coloring the parents are. You can research genetics for yourself if you would like and see that what I have just told you is the truth.

Thank you Marie for confirming my suspicions. Just for the record, I do not know Debbie Jensen or Crystal, nor have I ever investigated their businesses other than what I have read here on the Rip Off Reports. The only reason I got involved is because I was suspicious of the second post by "Marie". Now it has been shown that my suspicions were correct. Debbie/Crystal, what do you have to say now?

Nice try again My guess guess is your Sherry Andrews only because you called them Runts and Doris bred Imperials and calls them Imperials. Dead dogs laying around, who whould belive that. You also posted as Dee above because the report added you real name right unter you signing as Dee.

I have been watching these battles with Debbie and Crystal for quite some time. I am a shihtzu breeder in Florida, and its time that Debbie Jensen be shut down for her ways. I have personally seen her runts that she calls imperials, I have also seen people that she has sold a dog to that have been in tears from Debbies schemes. Debbie, you need to stop lying. MOST of these emails and names are all fake, you really should stop breeding and shovel dirt, that is all that you are worth. You have given us breeders a horrible name and I resent you for this. I have told anyone that has asked me NOT to buy from you. I personally know someone that was at your home to pick up a dog, and there were DEAD dogs in your home. DISCUSTING. You try to hurt every good breeder around, you go to these sites that will let you get away with your fake names and emails, and you sling nasty remarks and lies. There are posts on you EVERYWHERE !!!! Don't you think its time for you to QUIT!!! You got kicked out of Michigan because you broke every rule in the book, and had to run to vegas. You falsify AKC papers and you also have been investigated for past crimes. You are the bad breeder that everyone says you are, and I now have people that can testify to that. Give it up Debbie, with enough people telling it like it is, you will be out of business soon. You should not make up the stories that you do, you are an evil person. Bonnie Riggs Florida

I have been watching these battles with Debbie and Crystal for quite some time. I am a shihtzu breeder in Florida, and its time that Debbie Jensen be shut down for her ways. I have personally seen her runts that she calls imperials, I have also seen people that she has sold a dog to that have been in tears from Debbies schemes. Debbie, you need to stop lying. MOST of these emails and names are all fake, you really should stop breeding and shovel dirt, that is all that you are worth. You have given us breeders a horrible name and I resent you for this. I have told anyone that has asked me NOT to buy from you. I personally know someone that was at your home to pick up a dog, and there were DEAD dogs in your home. DISCUSTING. You try to hurt every good breeder around, you go to these sites that will let you get away with your fake names and emails, and you sling nasty remarks and lies. There are posts on you EVERYWHERE !!!! Don't you think its time for you to QUIT!!! You got kicked out of Michigan because you broke every rule in the book, and had to run to vegas. You falsify AKC papers and you also have been investigated for past crimes. You are the bad breeder that everyone says you are, and I now have people that can testify to that. Give it up Debbie, with enough people telling it like it is, you will be out of business soon. You should not make up the stories that you do, you are an evil person. Bonnie Riggs Florida

I have been watching these battles with Debbie and Crystal for quite some time. I am a shihtzu breeder in Florida, and its time that Debbie Jensen be shut down for her ways. I have personally seen her runts that she calls imperials, I have also seen people that she has sold a dog to that have been in tears from Debbies schemes. Debbie, you need to stop lying. MOST of these emails and names are all fake, you really should stop breeding and shovel dirt, that is all that you are worth. You have given us breeders a horrible name and I resent you for this. I have told anyone that has asked me NOT to buy from you. I personally know someone that was at your home to pick up a dog, and there were DEAD dogs in your home. DISCUSTING. You try to hurt every good breeder around, you go to these sites that will let you get away with your fake names and emails, and you sling nasty remarks and lies. There are posts on you EVERYWHERE !!!! Don't you think its time for you to QUIT!!! You got kicked out of Michigan because you broke every rule in the book, and had to run to vegas. You falsify AKC papers and you also have been investigated for past crimes. You are the bad breeder that everyone says you are, and I now have people that can testify to that. Give it up Debbie, with enough people telling it like it is, you will be out of business soon. You should not make up the stories that you do, you are an evil person. Bonnie Riggs Florida

Debbi Jensen, As I previously stated in another thread, and the one I spoke with Crystal about (you can ask her), I have made only one post here on this forum. So as far as me writing in to here, you are wrong, and kindly do not pull me into this on going breeder/complaint thing. The only time I look is when I have been made aware that my name was posted. I was not involved before, and I will not be now. My children are 9 and 7, and are not allowed on the internet. They are not posting here either, obviously, so I kindly ask that you correct that or something in your next post. I especially do not need or like things like that said - do not involve my children, please. I do not know you, and have nothing to say good or bad, because how can I, if I do not know you/never purchased a dog from you/never inquired about a dog, etc? I know Crystal, and we have had our problems, but things are fine now, as far as I know, and anything that happened a long time ago between us has never been mentioned here. (She had thought I did, and she emailed me privatly to ask, as I feel maybe you should have before you posted what you said, as well.) That was our business, and that is how things should remain, between the two parties. I never posted any negativity towards you, her, or anyone else on this or any other forum. I have seen the unfortunate things said about me/my dogs on this forum as well, but choose not to respond, because it is some sort of a retaliation/hatred thing I suppose for something I am not involved in nor do I care to be. And it is nothing more than made up crap, and I am sure posted under false names. There is no truth to any of it, but I need not defend myself... my animals and all of the happy puppy parents that have them are all I need. As Crystal said in her post to Stephanie, "Don't assume that just because someone took time to write it that it must be true. People can make up false claims and post them just to hurt someone they don't like. Doesn't mean that person ever really did anything wrong. We could sit here all day defending ourselves but it won't do any good." How true of a statement. You know the saying about assuming... So as I stated before in my other post, feel free to check the ip addys of where these posts are coming from, and I assure you, it is not me. As you stated yourself (not a direct quote), those writing in here, most of it is pure nonsense. If and when I write, this being time #2, I have no problem signing my name. I have nothing to "hide", and want to make sure everyone knows that I am saying it. So again, please do not involve me and esecially my kids in this on going forum. If I have something that I need to say/talk, etc. to you about, I will personally email, as I would anyone else.

Steph I've been breeding for 30 years. I'm a vet Technician. I wrote a whelping guide to help dog breeders be better at breeding because I care about people and there animals. I have stayed on the phone with anyone and hold there hand during a whelp day or night. I have so many good friends and customers it would blow your mind. The people that I sell to wouldnt consider writing in this report. They tell me this is pure nonsense and you people who write in here are behaving like spoiled children who didnt qualify for one of my pups so you want to play get back. A few People on the net who NEVER bought a dog from me, NEVER meet me or know me are writing in all these reports. Sherry told me she doesnt like me cause I wouldnt sell her a dog. Sherry Andrews shershihtzus.com. Sherry thinks I break into her computer. She's a paranoid freak.If I could break into a computer I would take this down. There are two others writing that I don't know a Stomi and her kid. I've never even spoke to them. I dont know them. Doris Pattersons pretending to be Donna and anybody else has spread this bull for years. She's crazy. She's one of the most insane liars I ever meet. Jazmine is 4 years old. In fact nothing she writes is valid. I dont own half the dogs she says I do or did. Smeggy was bred once to Soso a black and white. All of this can be varified with AKC. Look at what they write. About neighbors . I didn't even live in those cities. Its all made up by Doris. My next door neighbor was Shelly Kepsel and we are still very close. How could somebody say they cant walk in their own yard cause my dogs pooped in there yard and at the same time say they have to lean over a fence to feed my starving dogs. THINK !!! are you all fools. ? This doesnt make sense I'm a dog food distributor. My dogs eat for free anytime they want as much as they want. Get the best vet care and sleep in my bed. All that crap above is CRAP. I'm president of the Imperial Shih Tzu club and we are trying to show our dogs and become our own breed. I genetic testsand have when you all were in diapers. I know d**n well if any of you breed dogs you used my website free of charge and you probably are better breeders because of me. No doubt I answered email from you to help you during a dogs pregnancy. Go to my site than tell me if you think any of this could be true You all need to use your brains and be free thinkers and not just believe any nonsense write up here by some loons. Go see if it makes any sense at my site that I don't devote my entire life to my dogs and to YOUR DOGS even if I dont know you. Than if you got the gutts call me and tell me to my face you think I'm a bad breeder. If this is coming in twice its cause the rip off doesnt always put posts up

Stefanie, I really admire the way you handled your post. I don't think I could have said it better myself. Inbreeding, or anything else for that matter, I don't think anyone will ever be able to please everyone. However, we can't let a few bad apples ruin the whole bunch. I to think it would be best that instead of people just believeing everything thing they read as the truth, do as Stefanie said and research! Don't assume that just because someone took time to write it that it must be true. People can make up false claims and post them just to hurt someone they don't like. Doesn't mean that person ever really did anything wrong. We could sit here all day defending ourselves but it won't do any good. Some people are going to believe only what they want to. Even if there were evidence proving differently right in front of them. I think we are wasteing our time just writing back and forth to these people. This is what they live for. We could be doing better things with our time. [DELETED]

Okay, as the old saying goes, either put up or shut up. If any one of you who reads this can prove that "Marie" (the gutless wonder who is to scared to sign her real name) is telling the TRUTH I will sign a legal and binding contract with you to NEVER breed again. If you can prove that I sell sick and deseased dogs to people I will stop breeding. How can you do this? Get one of my puppies. If it is sick and deseased by my fault when you get it, I will refund your every penny. Not to mention I am stateing right here in public that I will NEVER breed again. So come on! All you "talkers" out here who are posting your two cents because you think everything you read is true, here is your chance to put a so called bad breeder out to pasture for good. I'm stateing publicly I will sign a legal contract to never breed again if you buy a sick dog from me. So if you are all so concerned and truly think that "Marie" is not a fake and that she is telling the truth, you should all jump on the chance to put me out of the breeding world forever. If you get a perfectly healthy pup from me then you know "Marie" lied to you all. If the pup is shipped from AL then you know "Marie" lied once again about the pups being shipped to Debbie Jensen for her to sale. Or do you all prefer to believe the mindless rambleings of someone who is only out to hurt others at all costs and you don't care if she proves anything to you or not?

Okay, as the old saying goes, either put up or shut up. If any one of you who reads this can prove that "Marie" (the gutless wonder who is to scared to sign her real name) is telling the TRUTH I will sign a legal and binding contract with you to NEVER breed again. If you can prove that I sell sick and deseased dogs to people I will stop breeding. How can you do this? Get one of my puppies. If it is sick and deseased by my fault when you get it, I will refund your every penny. Not to mention I am stateing right here in public that I will NEVER breed again. So come on! All you "talkers" out here who are posting your two cents because you think everything you read is true, here is your chance to put a so called bad breeder out to pasture for good. I'm stateing publicly I will sign a legal contract to never breed again if you buy a sick dog from me. So if you are all so concerned and truly think that "Marie" is not a fake and that she is telling the truth, you should all jump on the chance to put me out of the breeding world forever. If you get a perfectly healthy pup from me then you know "Marie" lied to you all. If the pup is shipped from AL then you know "Marie" lied once again about the pups being shipped to Debbie Jensen for her to sale. Or do you all prefer to believe the mindless rambleings of someone who is only out to hurt others at all costs and you don't care if she proves anything to you or not?

Okay, as the old saying goes, either put up or shut up. If any one of you who reads this can prove that "Marie" (the gutless wonder who is to scared to sign her real name) is telling the TRUTH I will sign a legal and binding contract with you to NEVER breed again. If you can prove that I sell sick and deseased dogs to people I will stop breeding. How can you do this? Get one of my puppies. If it is sick and deseased by my fault when you get it, I will refund your every penny. Not to mention I am stateing right here in public that I will NEVER breed again. So come on! All you "talkers" out here who are posting your two cents because you think everything you read is true, here is your chance to put a so called bad breeder out to pasture for good. I'm stateing publicly I will sign a legal contract to never breed again if you buy a sick dog from me. So if you are all so concerned and truly think that "Marie" is not a fake and that she is telling the truth, you should all jump on the chance to put me out of the breeding world forever. If you get a perfectly healthy pup from me then you know "Marie" lied to you all. If the pup is shipped from AL then you know "Marie" lied once again about the pups being shipped to Debbie Jensen for her to sale. Or do you all prefer to believe the mindless rambleings of someone who is only out to hurt others at all costs and you don't care if she proves anything to you or not?

Okay, as the old saying goes, either put up or shut up. If any one of you who reads this can prove that "Marie" (the gutless wonder who is to scared to sign her real name) is telling the TRUTH I will sign a legal and binding contract with you to NEVER breed again. If you can prove that I sell sick and deseased dogs to people I will stop breeding. How can you do this? Get one of my puppies. If it is sick and deseased by my fault when you get it, I will refund your every penny. Not to mention I am stateing right here in public that I will NEVER breed again. So come on! All you "talkers" out here who are posting your two cents because you think everything you read is true, here is your chance to put a so called bad breeder out to pasture for good. I'm stateing publicly I will sign a legal contract to never breed again if you buy a sick dog from me. So if you are all so concerned and truly think that "Marie" is not a fake and that she is telling the truth, you should all jump on the chance to put me out of the breeding world forever. If you get a perfectly healthy pup from me then you know "Marie" lied to you all. If the pup is shipped from AL then you know "Marie" lied once again about the pups being shipped to Debbie Jensen for her to sale. Or do you all prefer to believe the mindless rambleings of someone who is only out to hurt others at all costs and you don't care if she proves anything to you or not?

Yes Pat it was me, Marie. I was contacted by Crysal Passmore, i.e. MeiLeiShihTzu lawyer and I was in the wrong. I dont even know Debbi Jenson. I was upset. MeiLeiShihTzu don't have deseased pups. I just wanted reimbursed. I needed the money. But I love my pup.

It is in fact true that ms. jenesens name pops up in different places and a reputaion has been put on her or a label being dishonest in her business dealings.Do any of us know this to be true?Not unless we have expeierenced it first hand or have literal proof that our own eyes can see. I am the samelady that wrote about her name popping up in Tacoma Wa.Although I too am leary of all the stuuf written and the fact that one of my customers brought up her name brought and showed me the papers and the dog she bought from ms.jensen long before I ever even heard of her name or Imperial Shih tzus. The fact remains, the word breeder has become a horrible word due to many bad breeders ruining their dogs over breeding them and just being plain and simple puppy mills. The word NEW PUPPY OWNER also can be a bad set of words..Iknow this to be a fact. The bigger picture is not the names of these ladies it is about each of our own resposibility in the lives of puppies. As a breeder i feel i owe it to my babies to go the extra length of interviewing asking for references, making sure they have a vet chosen and an appointment set for a well puppy check. to provide a contract that is truely legal abiding by the laws in my state. a contract that protects not only myself as the breeder but the welfare of the puppy and the new puppy parents. To provide a reference sheet to my new parents of names and numbers of people already haveing a puppy from and especially my vet. If any one has alot of animals.yheir vet should know them by name..NOT BECAUSE YOU HAVE SICK ANIMALS, but because all anilmals should recieve regular vet care like dental cleaning,shots, yearly check ups.....just as we do as humans.+PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE...to all those peolpe out there looking for a new puppy, please do not give up on us good breeders we are out there. not all of us get caught up in mess and name calling and hurtful attacks...There are truely some of us that just want to produce happy healthy puppies to only great loving pet homes.Just as there are Great families out there looking for there new best friend , The good breeders will be there to provide you with best expeirence possible in bringing home a healthy happy new puppy and support you long fter the puppy leaves you your home. Check people out.BREEDERS&OWNERS before entering into anything with them.wE OWE IT NOT ONLY OURSELVES TO MAKE SURE THAT THE PEOPLE WE ARE DEALING WITH ARE HONEST AND TRUSTWORTHY,but these our lives i feel we are responsible for so we owe it to all these puppies lives.I think by now we get it...Ms. jenesen has had some run ins with some peolpe that truely do not like her the way she cares for her animals and whatever else has been said about her. Ms. Jenesen it is apparent you have been in business quite some time...if it were me being attacked I would not have to defend myself..my customers who were satisfyed would be ther to back me up 100% just I would back them up in any thing thye needed for there puppy.Why not contact people, all the peolpe you have sold puppies too and have them write in their experieice....after all the only thing any one of us really have is their name..people have put serious doubt in the minds of others about you...so in defending yourself it only is apparent it makes the matters worse..there should be so many people you have sold puppies to an no excuse not to be able to contact them as we both know akc requires you to keep records for 5 years after even if you not have the dog anymore.that include names and addresses of all the people who you have sold dog to a puupy to or given away or it died.you should have no problem contacting people they sould be more than willing and to come foward, ready to defend you I know for a fact I have a listhat peolpe would be reading this site for days... AGAIN I HOPE MY MESSAGE IS LOUD AND CLEAR...do your research..breeders and new owneres. Just because something is cute a cuddly does not mean you should buy it..breeders just because peolpe have alot of money to spend does not mean they are the best home for that puppy.I am asking the true breeders that love their animals and babies to stand up where ever you are and fight to bring the word breeder back to a resectable word and new puppy owners as i have said we are out there ..just keep looking and investigating you will find us....we promise you won't ever end up having to file a report on us. STEFANIE WHITE

Just wanted to say thank you to all who have realized that I DID NOT write the second post. I said what I had to say, and even though I have been threatened and harrassed, I stand by what I have said. This will be my last post.

Sorry Debbie, but I'm not buying it. I stand by my original observation that the second post by "Marie" is not the same person that posted on 8/11/04. The writing style is just way too different. And I must say that if for any reason I did ever decide to buy a dog from a breeder, it certainly would not be from the internet, or from the likes of you. However, not to worry. If I do ever get a dog, I will be sure to adopt one from one of my local animal rescue centers. And funny, you say it's only three people, but I have counted more than ten different names on the various reports. If you feel that it is the same people posting under aliases, then contact the EDitor of this site to investigate. To the Marie that posted on 8/11/04, if you did not post the second rebuttal, please let us know. Thank you.

Yes Pat its 3 people are lying one has been big enough to admit it. Its the same people on all the reports two wont admit it cause they are extremely ill. This one and her name will show up later is better than the other too and did say she lied. I respect that

Nice going Pat soon as a bridge was being built you had to go and divide Would it of killed you to let people heal and make amends. We are tired of the hate. It wasnt easy for her to say that, you want to take it away from her.

Nice going Pat soon as a bridge was being built you had to go and divide Would it of killed you to let people heal and make amends. We are tired of the hate. It wasnt easy for her to say that, you want to take it away from her.

I have been following this thread with slight interest, but the last rebuttal by "Marie" seems to me to be a fake, and I feel it is my duty to respond. Look at Marie's first post, and then this last one. The writing style and grammar are COMPLETELY different. Red flags going up everywhere and alarms going off. Debbie/Crystal, if you are such honest and well respected breeders, why are there so many reports here about you? Are all of these people lying?

Than you so much, I know who you really are Marie, Thank you so much for saying this. Im crying at how happy you made me. Thank you so much. If you want we cant talk in email and see if we can be friends if you would like. I hate fighting with people. I would so much rather forgive and be friends

I have been advise by my lawyer that I must print a retraction. I was contact by cystals lawyer early today. I purchase a dog from cystal but not under this name. I use Marie from Cobleskill because I did not want to get in trouble. After I purchase I realise that I can not afford the puppy. So I try to get my money back from cystal in a wrong manner. I do not want to give up my puppy because I love her but I need the money. So I try to get it back. I lie about cystal and debbie and I am sorry for it. I have to retract what I say about cystal because I did lie. I am so sorry.

I just wanted to update you all and let you know that my offer to this supposed person "Marie" to contact me if she truly did get a sick dog from me has yet to be answered. As I said before, I have never sold a dog to anyone by this name. However, I know who made the complaint on me. Something for you to all think about, if this "Marie" had a true complaint with me, then why didn't she have the guts to sign her real name? I will tell you why she didn't. Because she knows that she is lieing. I will not come out and name her name, as I am not the type of person to stoop to her level. I can only hope that when her time comes to meet her maker that God will have mercy on her even though she chose to lie about someone in an effort to ruin them. I will sure be keeping her in my prayers as this is definately the work of a sick, demented and gutless wonder. The report that "Marie" has filed on me is 100% fake!! If you want to know the truth feel free to contact me at www.meilishihtzu.com . I will be glad to talk to you about this situation as I have nothing to hide and I am not afraid to post my contact information. I will once again leave the offer open for this "Marie" to contact me. If you "Marie" honestly did get a sick dog from me then contact me. I will correct the problem you can be assured of it. Furthermore, the statement that I sale sick dogs to Debbie Jensen, you should be ashamed of yourself for making such lies up on people. Anyone can contact Debbie herself and she will tell you that I have NEVER even shipped her a dog. Much less sale her a sick one to sale to others. So this being said, "Marie" when you grow up why don't you come on here and tell everyone how you lied about me. To those who read this, I invite you to contact me anytime if you want to know the TRUTH!

You all are all right. I give up. I confess. I've stolen so peoples dogs and I put forged AKC papers on them. My house is the size of a matchbox and my dogs that I stole from Doris Lynn Patterson are producing sick pups and my 5 year health Guarantee does not mean they are healthy it really means fat chance they live to 5 years. There is no such thing as an Imperial Shih Tzu and if there was it would be a dead Shih Tzu. The people I've have ripped off on the internet is growing every day. In this summers heat of 112 degrees its true Crystal has sent me dead or sick pups we found vets and airlines that will allow pups to be shipped in their hot planes. Our Vet doesn't care if they are dead or sickly because we pay him off and we have pay off the airlines. Most of the day my husband and I are high on drugs or drunk. My dogs have fleas and are wormy and abused. I over bred them but I need the money for drugs. I'm a horrible puppy mill and my home is filthy and poop is everywhere. I also have paid off the FBI to look the other way so I can hack into breeders websites. I am a bad person and everything written about me is true. AKC knows my dna doesn't match and I falsify records but I've paid off AKC and have them in my hip pocket so they allow it. If Any wants to know more dirt on me contact Doris Lynn Patterson 18643 Brohl st Roseville Michigan 48066 586 777-9814 or contact Sherry Andrews po box 137 Burr Oak, MI 49030 Phone: 616 4899077 shershihtzus.com. These two wonderful ladies knows the truth about me and have more info about me and would love to tell you addtional horrible things I may have forgot in my drunken stupor. These ladies Doris Lynn Patterson and Sherry Andrews have banded together to rid the world of bad breeders like me . I've meet my match, they are way to tuff for me to fight. If anyone wants a sick or diseased puppy please contact me. I'm running an internet special but one sick puppy and get a dead one for free.

"Marie" I just wanted to let you know that I do now know for a positive fact who you are. Why you have chose to start up again a year later, I do not know. In my opinion it just goes to show how childish you really are. You didn't even have the guts enough to post your real name nor to tell the truth. Next time you post, don't forget to tell everyone how I caught you in a lot of lies. Also, don't forget to tell everyone how this most horrible dog you are suppose to have gotten from me is on your site with plans to breed her. Won't do you any good to run and take it down. It's all been printed. I could stoop as low as you did and sit here and lie about you and I could stoop as low as you did and say your name and kennel in public but you know what? I'm better than that! I refuse to stoop to your level. As previously stated, those that are truly interested in the truth and not childish bickering and lies back and forth on boards will contact me. In my opinion, it is time for you to GROW UP "Marie". Very proud owner of Mei Li Shih Tzu and very happy to provide wonderful references from many happy customers.

Marie from Cobleskill, New York, I've never sold a dog to anyone by this name. Much less sale you a sick dog. I'm pretty sure I know who you really are. If you are telling the truth, why are you hideing under a fake name? I keep records as per AKC's standards and know who I sale my dogs to and I have NEVER sold a dog to anyone by the name of Marie. Yes, Debbie is a friend of mine and yes pictures of my dogs have been on her site. However, I have NEVER shipped a puppy to her to be listed as hers because I couldn't sale them or for any other reason for that matter. Why you people live and thrive off of trying to make others lives miserable, I'll never know. Anyone who wishes to know the truth can feel free to contact me. I will not sit here and banter back and forth playing these childish games. Marie, if indeed you do have a dog sold to you under my name via another person, please contact me immediately so legal action can be persued.

Marie from Cobleskill, New York, I've never sold a dog to anyone by this name. Much less sale you a sick dog. I'm pretty sure I know who you really are. If you are telling the truth, why are you hideing under a fake name? I keep records as per AKC's standards and know who I sale my dogs to and I have NEVER sold a dog to anyone by the name of Marie. Yes, Debbie is a friend of mine and yes pictures of my dogs have been on her site. However, I have NEVER shipped a puppy to her to be listed as hers because I couldn't sale them or for any other reason for that matter. Why you people live and thrive off of trying to make others lives miserable, I'll never know. Anyone who wishes to know the truth can feel free to contact me. I will not sit here and banter back and forth playing these childish games. Marie, if indeed you do have a dog sold to you under my name via another person, please contact me immediately so legal action can be persued.

I was appauled at the letters written, but I also know for a fact that Debbi Jenson sells pups for her friend Crysal Passmore,i.e. MeiLeiShihTzu. Crystal has a very bad reputation also. But they are friends so they are dualing ripoffs! Whatever does not die at Mei Lei's and cannot be sold are shipped from Alabama to LasVegas and listed as Debbi Jensons pups. These pups are just as sickly, and deseased (I know as I ended up with one of them)as Jensons and when and if it dies, you will never see any money reimbursed! I cannot believe that they have not been put out of business!! They should be treated as they do their animals!!

I hae been breeding for quite some years now and it horrifies me to hear all of these reports about Ms.Deb Jensen. My first concern is the dogs in which so many people have seen in such horrible conditions.Although i have never met her, i too have heard of how she does business first hand. I ended placing one of my puppies with a lady that purchased a dog from her labelled IMPREIAL and it is now 14lbs.It indeed come from this lady as i have seen the papers and the dog.i saw her bill of sale for a whopping 1,200. For that price a responsible person may be able to purchase a dog with a great pedigree and great conformation..which this dog did not have. I BELEIVE WE HAVE AN OBLIGATION AS BREEDERS.We have to tell people that even if they walk into a situation that is unclean and unhealthy to walk away from such establishments. Although they feel they are doing a great justice for the puppy..If we can get people to walk away and report it we can help shut these type of places down.I ALSO HIGHLY RECOMMEND that each and every puppy owner that has a puppy from this lady request a DNA kit from the AKC so see if indeed their puppy matches the fathers DNA..Perhaps that way we can put the DNA program into use for what it was meant for.If these dogs reported are indeed dead a formal complaint should be made to the AKC or what ever breed club she is under. perhaps if enough people call in they will require those dogs too to be DNA tested.I place my puppies locally and tell people that dealing on the internet is risky business for both parties.the breeder and the newowner..but more so for the puppy.People can tell you anything from either side and make things appear a certain way...I do understand that GREAT BREEDERS do exist and so do GREAT PUPPY OWNERS but it such a risky dealing in this day and age.I want to thank each and every person that has made these reports so that the rest of us in the dog world have the oppurtunity to get some insite to what is going on in different places. My father always said. If 5 or more people find the same fault in one person..and the 5 do not know eachother. that person really may have to take a good look in the mirror. Being that Ms. Jensens name has popped up in Tacoma wa. as well and i do not know any of these people..may some one needs to send Ms. Jensen a mirror.It is scary telling anyone I am a breeder because some people have turned the name into a bad thing. Hopefully the great ones that are out there will continue to battle against crimes against animals and one day we will be victorius. God bless all that truely care for their animals. To those who do not..I would not wnant to be in your shoes on judgement day.

I hae been breeding for quite some years now and it horrifies me to hear all of these reports about Ms.Deb Jensen. My first concern is the dogs in which so many people have seen in such horrible conditions.Although i have never met her, i too have heard of how she does business first hand. I ended placing one of my puppies with a lady that purchased a dog from her labelled IMPREIAL and it is now 14lbs.It indeed come from this lady as i have seen the papers and the dog.i saw her bill of sale for a whopping 1,200. For that price a responsible person may be able to purchase a dog with a great pedigree and great conformation..which this dog did not have. I BELEIVE WE HAVE AN OBLIGATION AS BREEDERS.We have to tell people that even if they walk into a situation that is unclean and unhealthy to walk away from such establishments. Although they feel they are doing a great justice for the puppy..If we can get people to walk away and report it we can help shut these type of places down.I ALSO HIGHLY RECOMMEND that each and every puppy owner that has a puppy from this lady request a DNA kit from the AKC so see if indeed their puppy matches the fathers DNA..Perhaps that way we can put the DNA program into use for what it was meant for.If these dogs reported are indeed dead a formal complaint should be made to the AKC or what ever breed club she is under. perhaps if enough people call in they will require those dogs too to be DNA tested.I place my puppies locally and tell people that dealing on the internet is risky business for both parties.the breeder and the newowner..but more so for the puppy.People can tell you anything from either side and make things appear a certain way...I do understand that GREAT BREEDERS do exist and so do GREAT PUPPY OWNERS but it such a risky dealing in this day and age.I want to thank each and every person that has made these reports so that the rest of us in the dog world have the oppurtunity to get some insite to what is going on in different places. My father always said. If 5 or more people find the same fault in one person..and the 5 do not know eachother. that person really may have to take a good look in the mirror. Being that Ms. Jensens name has popped up in Tacoma wa. as well and i do not know any of these people..may some one needs to send Ms. Jensen a mirror.It is scary telling anyone I am a breeder because some people have turned the name into a bad thing. Hopefully the great ones that are out there will continue to battle against crimes against animals and one day we will be victorius. God bless all that truely care for their animals. To those who do not..I would not wnant to be in your shoes on judgement day.

I hae been breeding for quite some years now and it horrifies me to hear all of these reports about Ms.Deb Jensen. My first concern is the dogs in which so many people have seen in such horrible conditions.Although i have never met her, i too have heard of how she does business first hand. I ended placing one of my puppies with a lady that purchased a dog from her labelled IMPREIAL and it is now 14lbs.It indeed come from this lady as i have seen the papers and the dog.i saw her bill of sale for a whopping 1,200. For that price a responsible person may be able to purchase a dog with a great pedigree and great conformation..which this dog did not have. I BELEIVE WE HAVE AN OBLIGATION AS BREEDERS.We have to tell people that even if they walk into a situation that is unclean and unhealthy to walk away from such establishments. Although they feel they are doing a great justice for the puppy..If we can get people to walk away and report it we can help shut these type of places down.I ALSO HIGHLY RECOMMEND that each and every puppy owner that has a puppy from this lady request a DNA kit from the AKC so see if indeed their puppy matches the fathers DNA..Perhaps that way we can put the DNA program into use for what it was meant for.If these dogs reported are indeed dead a formal complaint should be made to the AKC or what ever breed club she is under. perhaps if enough people call in they will require those dogs too to be DNA tested.I place my puppies locally and tell people that dealing on the internet is risky business for both parties.the breeder and the newowner..but more so for the puppy.People can tell you anything from either side and make things appear a certain way...I do understand that GREAT BREEDERS do exist and so do GREAT PUPPY OWNERS but it such a risky dealing in this day and age.I want to thank each and every person that has made these reports so that the rest of us in the dog world have the oppurtunity to get some insite to what is going on in different places. My father always said. If 5 or more people find the same fault in one person..and the 5 do not know eachother. that person really may have to take a good look in the mirror. Being that Ms. Jensens name has popped up in Tacoma wa. as well and i do not know any of these people..may some one needs to send Ms. Jensen a mirror.It is scary telling anyone I am a breeder because some people have turned the name into a bad thing. Hopefully the great ones that are out there will continue to battle against crimes against animals and one day we will be victorius. God bless all that truely care for their animals. To those who do not..I would not wnant to be in your shoes on judgement day.

I hae been breeding for quite some years now and it horrifies me to hear all of these reports about Ms.Deb Jensen. My first concern is the dogs in which so many people have seen in such horrible conditions.Although i have never met her, i too have heard of how she does business first hand. I ended placing one of my puppies with a lady that purchased a dog from her labelled IMPREIAL and it is now 14lbs.It indeed come from this lady as i have seen the papers and the dog.i saw her bill of sale for a whopping 1,200. For that price a responsible person may be able to purchase a dog with a great pedigree and great conformation..which this dog did not have. I BELEIVE WE HAVE AN OBLIGATION AS BREEDERS.We have to tell people that even if they walk into a situation that is unclean and unhealthy to walk away from such establishments. Although they feel they are doing a great justice for the puppy..If we can get people to walk away and report it we can help shut these type of places down.I ALSO HIGHLY RECOMMEND that each and every puppy owner that has a puppy from this lady request a DNA kit from the AKC so see if indeed their puppy matches the fathers DNA..Perhaps that way we can put the DNA program into use for what it was meant for.If these dogs reported are indeed dead a formal complaint should be made to the AKC or what ever breed club she is under. perhaps if enough people call in they will require those dogs too to be DNA tested.I place my puppies locally and tell people that dealing on the internet is risky business for both parties.the breeder and the newowner..but more so for the puppy.People can tell you anything from either side and make things appear a certain way...I do understand that GREAT BREEDERS do exist and so do GREAT PUPPY OWNERS but it such a risky dealing in this day and age.I want to thank each and every person that has made these reports so that the rest of us in the dog world have the oppurtunity to get some insite to what is going on in different places. My father always said. If 5 or more people find the same fault in one person..and the 5 do not know eachother. that person really may have to take a good look in the mirror. Being that Ms. Jensens name has popped up in Tacoma wa. as well and i do not know any of these people..may some one needs to send Ms. Jensen a mirror.It is scary telling anyone I am a breeder because some people have turned the name into a bad thing. Hopefully the great ones that are out there will continue to battle against crimes against animals and one day we will be victorius. God bless all that truely care for their animals. To those who do not..I would not wnant to be in your shoes on judgement day.

Right now on Debbie's webpage, she is selling puppies out of Smeggy and Gabe. I find it amazing that two beige dogs are producing black and white pups. The dominant black and white can only be from Debbie's other stud, Soso. How can a responsible breeder not keep track of which dog is mated with another? Anyone buying a puppy from someone not completely trust worthy should consider DNA testing.

After paying Debbie a non refundable $500 deposit, I arrived in Las Vegas to see my puppy. I was amazed at the tiny confines of her dogs. A double-wide trailer doesn't seem right for responsible dog breeding. Debbie is also nothing like the pictures on her web page. She is about 250 pounds, confined to a wheelchair, due to neglect of a leg injury and looks 20 years older. My $2250 female "imperial" shih tzu is now a year old and weighs in at 11 pounds! I wanted a tiny dog to be a companion to my 5 pound shih tzu. She promised that her dog, Sweetie "never produced a puppy over 5 pounds." Of course she also says her stud dog, Gabe weighs 4 pounds. He was easily two pounds larger than my little guy. The pictures on her web site are of Gabe as a puppy. I now realize that Debbie has duped several other people, and I am not alone. At least my puppy Suzy has a better life than her mother. What a shame the humane society won't listen and release all of Debbie's dogs from their lives of slavery.

I onced lived by Debbie Jensen. When she lived in Warren, Michigan. All of us neighboors kept calling the police department,, the local michigan anti cruelity, the humane society. Anyone we could think of. The house was a mess. I lived right next to her. The dogs were a mess. She had a door so they could come and go as they pleased. The yard had piles of you know what all over the place that my family couldnt go in our own back yard. I feed the dogs over the fence. Have you ever seen a pack of hungry, neglected dogs. totally matted to the bone. Well she had like over 20 dogs. Never took care of them. Spoke to people that went into her home. Most were apalled. Some purchased a dog from her. Once a lady told me she felt she had to save the dog. Another time a couple told me they were going right to the police station to report her. This woman is not a nice person. Her dogs are in horrible shape. She isnt even clean about herself. It was discusting. When she moved all the neighbors were crying with joy. You should of seen the mess she left behind.