I have recently bought a website on Flippa.com from this person. After I had bought www.intensivecourse.org for 520 USD i was "upgraded" to an online financial services provider. All I had to do was transfer back the intensive course site and pay another 1100 USD, for total of 1620.00 USD. The second payment took place on December 4th, 2010.
I involved Paypal at the end of December after I still was without the sold site/business. Within minutes he was chatting and emailing with me, making me believe that everything was going according to plan but I really needed to close the Paypal issue for him to proceed.
I did as he requested.
After that again the same as before. Nothing!
So I attempted to reopen the Paypal issue and to my surprise, you cant do it a second time. He knew that obviousely...
Now I contacted him to tell him that if he doesn't come through on the deal, i will be forced to complain with Flippa, a website selling business, where he sold me.
His answer surprised me, it was as follows:
"Dear Sir,
I am not affiliated with Flippa anymore. And that has nothing to do with Flippa as Flippa can not stop me from selling my products outside Flippa as I am not selling with Flippa anymore. And if selling outside Flippa is wrong, buying outside of Flippa can not be right.
Thanks"
After reading this I submitted my compliaint to Flippa and saw that this guy had in the meantime been banned from the site!
When I did a little more research online, I find this guy ranting on forums that he was banned from Flippa because "they are Racist"!
Obviousely it looks like I made a bad judgement call and i am out 1600 USD because of it.
I decided to post this to protect others from falling into the same trap.
For myself, I have filed the complaint with Flippa, Visa, and will write to Paypal to still report the incident as unresolved, I am posting here, and other online fraud prevention avenues, such as FBI and Scottland Yard...
It would be much easier for me to just write this off and move on but ther is just too much of this going on and if I can prevent one person from having the same experience it was worth my time.
His last email to me after i will post here read:
"
Hi,
Keep on threatening me will not help in anything!
First of all...stop your threats!
Thank you "
And with the kind of stuff this guy is posting online:
http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showthread.php?t=2047374
I dont have much hope for an amicable (refund) outcome to my problem with him.
ipsp india
India#2REBUTTAL Owner of company
Wed, January 19, 2011
The user Patrick Meier using username '1kawasaki' placed a bid and won the auction. Since he has not paid, we opened a dispute against '1kawasaki' and since he did not respond, Flippa relisted the website for sale.
For this, they should have taken action against '1kawasaki'. But Flippa did not took any action for the reasons best known to them only.
Now Patrick Meier (1kawasaki) claims that he bought another business from us OUTSIDE Flippa. and I did not deliver the business. He is claiming that he complained to Flippa and Flippa gave 20 credits (worth 20 dollars) to his account as consolation.
Why should Flippa give 20 credits for a transaction which is being claimed to have taken place outside Flippa?
Is this because Flippa is behind all these dramas?
ipsp india
India#3REBUTTAL Owner of company
Wed, January 19, 2011
He is a scam, con artist claiming a MBA degree from California Pacific University which has no US Department of Education accreditation.
Oregon Office of Degree Authorisation considers this as invalid degree.
http://www.osac.state.or.us/oda/unaccredited.aspx
He is cheating general public claiming that he is a financial advisor.
He just try to rip off and steal Financial Information. Please be careful with this guy.
Thank you
ipsp india
India#4REBUTTAL Owner of company
Wed, January 19, 2011
Flippa banned us because we opposed racist comments and racial activities of Flippa.
My products are being sold in Flippa by one of my regular customers who bought everything outright from me.
If my products are not genuine how come Flippa allows the other customer to sell. The problem is not with products. The problem is the racial discrimination.
AND you are claiming that you bough two businesses from me.
If the first one is not genuine, how come you purchased the second one from same seller?
Flippa promised us refund for listings, which never came.
And why haven't you responded to Flippa dispute when I opened dispute in Flippa? Since you did not respond, Flippa decided in my favor and relisted the website for sale. If you are genuine and if you have paid, why didn't you contest the dispute?
anonymous
Geneva,#5Author of original report
Tue, January 18, 2011
Flippa cant help me recuperate my money unfortunately, but made a fair credit point gesture, here is their comment:
I'm afraid there is little we can do at this stage. We banned this user a few weeks back. He will have a tough time selling outside of Flippa as he has already been banned on a number of forums. Really sorry that there is nothing else we can do. I've added 20 credits to your account in the hope of it being some consolation.Be assured we keep a sharp eye out for these operators and ban them as soon as we can. Luckily your experience is relatively rare.Flippa Customer Support, Jan-18 05:28 pm (EST):
Thanks for contacting Flippa Customer Support.Flippa Customer Support.
ipsp india
India#6REBUTTAL Owner of company
Tue, January 18, 2011
Just we got further information about this user on Flippa issue.
He did bid and he was declared a winner on one of the Flippa auctions. But he was trying to get the domain and website before making payment. As he did not pay, the seller opened a dispute with Flippa. Patrick Meier did not respond to the dispute and hence Flippa relisted the website.
It is verifiable information and anyone can see that Flippa has relisted the website for sale.
Patrick Meier is just trying to threaten us in email using this report.
Thank you
ipsp india
India#7REBUTTAL Owner of company
Mon, January 17, 2011
We deny this as completely false allegation.
Neither IPSP India nor any staff of IPSP India has done any business with this person:
Patrick Meier
24G Chemin de la Chenaie
CH-1293 Geneva
Switzerland
In fact, he tried to cheat us. We have been told that it is usual for him to buy something, get the items delivered and then open a Paypal dispute to get the money back. And hence we neglected his offer and that made him to post false report.