rational
United States of America#2General Comment
Wed, February 24, 2010
Don't beat yourself up about it. This is not your fault. I am in HR, and companies that do not make their job descriptions clear and ARE being unethical. I am doing research on situations like this one, as I would like to get some materials published to protect individuals like yourself. They are dragging applicants through the recruitment process. In my opinion, the smoke and mirrors that you are experiencing is a textbook display of baiting impressionable college graduates into dead end sales positions. Because this position is 100% commissions, the company will not incur many training costs, signing bonuses, gas and travel expenses etc. Therefore, they are not adversely affected by having high turnover. If you find yourself in the situation again, ask about their turnover rate. Obviously it is high in this situation.
It did also not take much investigation to find out that the Ivins Group has gone by other names (Matlin Marketing, and currently Executive Sports) This indicates that they are forced to change their name after getting negative reviews on jobs boards and sites like this one. This is a sign of unethical practices. Ethical and successful marketing firms would not want to change their name often. They would want to build a strong reputation and the brand loyalty of their clients.
As far as asking questions in interviews, I agree. Asking questions is a great idea. It is even expected by interviewers. However, if the job description did in no way indicate that you were applying for a door-to-door sales position then you would not logically ask a question that would elicit such a description. This is a simple issue of logic. It is the responsibility of the employer to be forthcoming with their description.
There are plenty of ethical businesses that individuals like yourself can work for that will be forthcoming and trustworthy in their HR process. Sales jobs can be rewarding experiences that help you learn a lot about the business world. Find a company that is rated on business week's "top companies to sell for," for example..
Finally, relax. You did a good thing in reporting your experience. It will save a lot of young job seekers time, effort, money, and frustration.
Good luck in your job search!
Kottseyken
cheswick,#3Author of original report
Tue, January 22, 2008
I am updating my report to let people know that the Ivins Group is ethical. There was some miscommunication between me and the employees. At times I should have asked more questions in regards to the job. When my questions were not answered with a clear response, i should have asked them to clarify what they were telling me. Now I know, and next time i go for a job i will ask more questions.
Kottseyken
Cheswick,#4Author of original report
Fri, January 18, 2008
I am writing this in response to the article I posted a few days ago. The Ivins Group is not unethical. THey are very ethical. There was some miscommunications between me and the company, and I should have asked more questions from the gate. Not asking them questions led me to believe that they were unethical. WHich they are not. They are very ethical. After I spoke with the owner of the company he cleared up what I thought was wrong. Now I feel that I might have made the mistake in the fact that I should have did some more research about the company and asked more questions when I was getting interview and during the job shadowing. I am very sorry for any trouble i caused. Next time I apply for any job I will look into the job description more and ask more questions from the beginning rather than go to the interview not really knowing what the company is about and how they do their business. Once again I am sorry.
Kottseyken
Cheswick,#5Author of original report
Fri, January 18, 2008
I am writing this in response to the article I posted a few days ago. The Ivins Group is not unethical. THey are very ethical. There was some miscommunications between me and the company, and I should have asked more questions from the gate. Not asking them questions led me to believe that they were unethical. WHich they are not. They are very ethical. After I spoke with the owner of the company he cleared up what I thought was wrong. Now I feel that I might have made the mistake in the fact that I should have did some more research about the company and asked more questions when I was getting interview and during the job shadowing. I am very sorry for any trouble i caused. Next time I apply for any job I will look into the job description more and ask more questions from the beginning rather than go to the interview not really knowing what the company is about and how they do their business. Once again I am sorry.
Kottseyken
Cheswick,#6Author of original report
Fri, January 18, 2008
I am writing this in response to the article I posted a few days ago. The Ivins Group is not unethical. THey are very ethical. There was some miscommunications between me and the company, and I should have asked more questions from the gate. Not asking them questions led me to believe that they were unethical. WHich they are not. They are very ethical. After I spoke with the owner of the company he cleared up what I thought was wrong. Now I feel that I might have made the mistake in the fact that I should have did some more research about the company and asked more questions when I was getting interview and during the job shadowing. I am very sorry for any trouble i caused. Next time I apply for any job I will look into the job description more and ask more questions from the beginning rather than go to the interview not really knowing what the company is about and how they do their business. Once again I am sorry.
Kottseyken
Cheswick,#7Author of original report
Fri, January 18, 2008
I am writing this in response to the article I posted a few days ago. The Ivins Group is not unethical. THey are very ethical. There was some miscommunications between me and the company, and I should have asked more questions from the gate. Not asking them questions led me to believe that they were unethical. WHich they are not. They are very ethical. After I spoke with the owner of the company he cleared up what I thought was wrong. Now I feel that I might have made the mistake in the fact that I should have did some more research about the company and asked more questions when I was getting interview and during the job shadowing. I am very sorry for any trouble i caused. Next time I apply for any job I will look into the job description more and ask more questions from the beginning rather than go to the interview not really knowing what the company is about and how they do their business. Once again I am sorry.
Kottseyken
cheswick,#8Author of original report
Fri, January 18, 2008
I am rebuttling to my own report. I feel I posted the report prematurely, and I did hear back from the Ivins group. So I am contacting the editor of the ripoff report to have him remove my first posting and this one.