Complaint Review: John Beck's Amazing Profits - Burbank California

Hey there William, I hope that this rebuttal finds you in good spirits and health. WILLIAM: This is to Reid of Hawaii, I just want to thank you, Reid, for all your hard work informing potential suckers of these get-rich-quick schemes. I don't know how you find the time to produce all this information, but I'm sure glad you do! REID: Thank you for the kind words. It's this type of appreciative words that drive me to burry trash like John Beck. WILLIAM: Because of your efforts, I've determined that NONE of these informercials are worth risking my money on. I suppose I could be missing out on a good deal, but I seriously doubt it. REID: Take my word for it William, you're not missing out on any good deal by not risking your money on Infomercial "wealth building" programs. They're all scams, otherwise, everyone from your neighbors to your pet cat would be ranting and raving about them. If any of these "moneymaking" program were as near as good as these monkeys claim, they would have absolutely no reason to sell the opportunity to total strangers for less than the "earning potential" claimed possible. Losing proposition. Donald Trump would have absolutely nothing to gain by selling his secrets to success for a loss... and so would John Beck and the likes. WILLIAM: Anyway, this is just to let you know that your big heart is really helping people. REID: Know that you are one of John Beck's "success stories" in your own right William, for not falling for his fraudulent Infomercial in the first place. Until next time, take care William cause I care, Aloha from Hawaii and God Bless.

This is to Reid of Hawaii, I just want to thank you, Reid, for all your hard work informing potential suckers of these get-rich-quick schemes. I don't know how you find the time to produce all this information, but I'm sure glad you do! Because of your efforts, I've determined that NONE of these informercials are worth risking my money on. I suppose I could be missing out on a good deal, but I seriously doubt it. Anyway, this is just to let you know that your big heart is really helping people. Thanks,

CHUAN; I have quick question, how they get sucess storys, like these Testimonials, of students making great money. You think, they are making alot quick easy money, then us SUCKERS buy into their program, we get scamed out our money? RIED You said, DO NOT however, take any testimonials as actual proof of a particular "wealth building" program being legitimate. Testimonials are meaningless! CHUAN: Since I have logon on to this rip off web site. I have learn, their customer get rip off, and the students on that succees storys on those web sites, I wonder,how they make QUICK MONEY! using Burley Girlie materials RIED: I can tell you beyond the shadow of a doubt, without even having tried John Burley's system, that it's scam. Why is this guy so interested in teaching his "secrets" to total strangers for $39.99? CHUAN: What 'Secerts'? OHyea! The Burley Girlie materials that S**K hard.

Hey there Chuan, I hope that this rebuttal finds you in good spirits and health. CHUAN: Ok, both programs are the same? Maybe this John Burley could be John Beck's students, that took the same idea off of John Beck's. And trying this bussiness like John Becks? I think, I smell another RAT! REID: I'm glad Chuan, that you were able to come to this conclusion. Definitely THE CORRECT decision, because like I've said before this program is without question a SCAM. How do I know this? Well if this program was any where near as good as Girlie "twerpy" Burley claims, why would he be selling the "secrets" to total strangers for $39.99? CHUAN: So, I wil take your advice, and stay fron this program. I only this comercial, twice tonight 9/11 - 2am, and 9/10 some time. I even shaw Carlton Sheets too. REID: Great! You'll thank me for it later. Believe it or not Chuan, you have become a "success story" in your own right, by not falling victim to these band of inbreeds many fraudulent SCAMS. Until next time, take care Chuan cause I care, Aloha from Hawaii and God Bless.

Ok, both programs are the same? Maybe this John Burley could be John Beck's students, that took the same idea off of John Beck's. And trying this bussiness like John Becks? I think, I smell another RAT! So, I wil take your advice, and stay fron this program. I only this comercial, twice tonight 9/11 - 2am, and 9/10 some time. I even shaw Carlton Sheets too. C K Yang

Ok, both programs are the same? Maybe this John Burley could be John Beck's students, that took the same idea off of John Beck's. And trying this bussiness like John Becks? I think, I smell another RAT! So, I wil take your advice, and stay fron this program. I only this comercial, twice tonight 9/11 - 2am, and 9/10 some time. I even shaw Carlton Sheets too. C K Yang

Ok, both programs are the same? Maybe this John Burley could be John Beck's students, that took the same idea off of John Beck's. And trying this bussiness like John Becks? I think, I smell another RAT! So, I wil take your advice, and stay fron this program. I only this comercial, twice tonight 9/11 - 2am, and 9/10 some time. I even shaw Carlton Sheets too. C K Yang

Ok, both programs are the same? Maybe this John Burley could be John Beck's students, that took the same idea off of John Beck's. And trying this bussiness like John Becks? I think, I smell another RAT! So, I wil take your advice, and stay fron this program. I only this comercial, twice tonight 9/11 - 2am, and 9/10 some time. I even shaw Carlton Sheets too. C K Yang

Hey there Chuan, I hope that this rebuttal finds you in good spirits and health. CHUAN: Hi, again Ok, Aloha Ried, if you logon these two web site, you can see the real estae programs are the same! Both identgle The Quick start system. Here are the links : John burley's website http://www.progressiveprofits.com/index.htm Here the link to: John Becks Website? http://www.johnbeck.net/index.htm Now, you tell me. I have been looking these site? I think he drop his last name, trying start new again. I have search here on John burleys, nothing on him. REID: These programs are very similar in that they're both fraudulent, but not the same in that they're two different "inbreeds" endorsing two different set of materials. There's a good chance however, that their materials have been printed and published by the same company. John Beck is obviously an older inbreed. I think John Beck and Carlton Sheets are about the same age. They both appear to be in their mid seventies. Trust me, you may not see many reports on this John Burley just yet, being that he's new to the Infomercial scam industry, but in time you will start to see many reports accumulate. DO NOT however, take any testimonials as actual proof of a particular "wealth building" program being legitimate. Testimonials are meaningless! I can tell you beyond the shadow of a doubt, without even having tried John Burley's system, that it's scam. Why is this guy so interested in teaching his "secrets" to total strangers for $39.99? Until next time, take care Chuan cause I care, Aloha from Hawaii and God Bless.

Hey there Chuan, I hope that this rebuttal finds you in good spirits and health. Thank's for the link. I viewed the website and can tell you and Everyone else without a doubt, that this John Burley's Real Estate program is a scam and it's NOT just a matter of my opinion. Like the rest of the so called "gurus" that engage in sexual relations with their younger sisters, John Burley claims with absolutely ZERO PROOF to assist in "building wealth" for total strangers for $39.99. Have you ever noticed that all of these inbreded $h!t peddlers are always twerpy looking mother f^ckers? Someone needs to grap this "product of incest", put him in a headlock and change his name to John Girlie instead. John Burley's testimonial is funny as $h!t though! Have you seen this guy Bill from California? He looks exactly like the dude on the cover of Mad Magazine. Also, go to Real Estate Reviews to view some of the most obvious shill rebuttals throughout the history of mankind. Obviously scripted reviews with five star ratings all following one another. LOL! Unlil next time, take care Chuan cause I care, Aloha from Hawaii and God Bless. Hey Bennett and Deloney, your check for $5,503.00 is in the mail. HA HAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!

Hi, again Ok, Aloha Ried, if you logon these two web site, you can see the real estae programs are the same! Both identgle The Quick start system. Here are the links : John burley's website http://www.progressiveprofits.com/index.htm Here the link to: John Becks Website? http://www.johnbeck.net/index.htm Now, you tell me. I have been looking these site? I think he drop his last name, trying start new again. I have search here on John burleys, nothing on him. Chuan k Yang

Hey there Kate & Chuan K, I hope that this rebuttal finds you in good spirits and health. Chuan- I haven't seen the new Infomercial, but it wouldn't surprise me if they were the same person. All of these Infomercial "wealth building" courses are scams and it's not just a matter of opinion. There is absolutely without question, no such thing as legitimate "wealth building" programs being sold to total strangers, for less than the "earning potential" claimed possible. In other words, there is no such thing as "gurus" of any sort, "mentoring" total strangers into making thousands of dollars for $39.99, which is exactly what the fraudulent John Beck Free And Clear program claims. John Beck is nothing but an unscrupulous and spineless attorney endorsing a fraudulent Real Estate program. Until next time, Take Care Kate and Chuan K cause I care, Aloha from Hawaii and God Bless. QUESTIONS FOR JOHN BECK AND HIS TEAM OF INBREEDS: 1. What happened to your fraudulent "collection agency" known as EPN? 2. Why did you send me a fraudulent collection notice printed on stationary purporting to be from a law office? 3. Who the f^ck is Bennett & Deloney? 4. Why have you waited well over an entire year to send this non-existent debt to your fraudulent collection agency? 5. You don't honestly believe I'm going to pay for this scam do you? Believe me, someone's going to jail on the grounds of fraud, racketeering, harassment and a host of other criminal activities and possibly have to pay back millions in restitution, before you receive a single penny from me. That's a promise! 6. What makes you believe you're able to substantiate a debt with this fraudulent collection agency, that you were totally unable to substantiate throughout the entire unbiased credit card dispute? 7. Does it have anything to do with the fact that one can't buy favorable decisions in credit card disputes? 8. Why haven't your company won a single dispute? 9. Why haven't your company responded to the letter from Joann's attorney? 10. Don't you know that it's impossible for a "shockingly fraudulent" program to be legitimate for others? 11. Why has your company granted this fraudulent collection agency permission to settle this issue for $5,503.01, when the fraudulent charge was actually for $6,400.00? 12. Don't you know that this collection would only yield your fraudulent company $896.99? 13. Do you honestly think that I believe a legitimate company would be desperate enough to pay a collection agency $5,503.01 to collect $896.99? YOU F^CK!NG INBREEDS OWE ME MONEY FOR WASTING MY TIME... AND A HELL OF A LOT MORE THAN $5,503.01! SO DON'T TRY TO TURN THIS AROUND AS IF I OWE YOU MONEY! YOUR COMPANY IS A SCAM! YOUR COMPANY OWES MANY THOUSANDS! SOMEONE NEEDS TO GO TO JAIL FOR ALL THESE BLATANT CRIMINAL ACTIVITIES, SO WHY DON'T WE GET IT OVER WITH AND TAKE MATTERS INTO COURT SO THAT YOUR SCAM CAN BE BUSTED WIDE OPEN?!?!

Hey, you guys, Is John Beck is now John Burley? Here click this site: https://www.progressiveprofits.com/products.htm?item=0 Click here, take a look?

In maybe '03 I ordered one of those get rich real estate investment kits. For under $100. When I got it - well of course it was just a setup for the real monetary request. In two days I got a call from the company. They wanted to sell their 'notification' service to me. The kit was worthless without it. I had a little fun. I asked them to let me think about - and call me in a week because I was just talking to someone on the other line about buying my first house. Next week - told them I had turned over two properties and WOW! was I happy with their product - but call me in a month, maybe it would slow down and I could use the 'notification' service. The next month I had my daughter answer the phone (called id) and pretend she was my secretary and was the caller a title company or real estate broker? No? Oh well then she will have to call you when she's free. She only takes calls from brokers or closers. I had alot of fun for my $100. You can't use these kits - they are worthless.

Reid, I am going through the exact same thing (scarry) your details are are like you were in the same room as me when I was scammed into it. I have then since reported to my local Attorney General's Office they seem to be working on the case enstead of just filing it. But it will be a while. They are haveing alot of complaints lately. Also alot of refunds are happening too. I have only gotten back 1/2 of my innitial investment through my credit card. They are holding rest until I return materials unopened and unused. I told them that it was opened. They said that is the conditions that they are offering. They have also turned me into a collection agency for the refund I have received. One credit card refunded and the other did not. Saying that it was a valid charge. Any ways call your Local Attorney Generals Office. The BBB dont help. They just act as a mediator.

Hey there Everyone, I hope that this rebuttal finds you in good spirits and health. 1. Don't fall for the fraudulent John Beck Free and Clear program, Amazing Profits, or "mentoring" programs in general. No "guru", or business is going to "mentor" total strangers to use the strategies, that have supposedly made them fortunes. Why would they? What's in it for them? 2. If you've already ordered the "crap in the box" program, pack it up and send it back immediately demanding a refund. The program is a scam and their isn't a d**n thing any one of the incestuous peddlers of the crap can say to prove otherwise, or they would have done so a long time ago. 3. Whatever you do, do not order their so called "mentoring" bull$h!t. John Beck's so called "mentoring" program as well as the majority of other "mentoring" programs, are nothing but cleverly disguised credit card traps. Lure and trap schemes, where fraudulent third party marketing companies employ scum of the earth imbreeds to tell a story and have victims cough up their credit card numbers. Keep in mind, that these story tellers are good at what they do, and only need bull$h!t someone long enough to obtain his or her credit card number. Once they've captured someones credit card number, they will send out their "contract" in attempt to seal the deal, and lock their prey into an agreement, where what they've promised and what they will deliver will be none of the same. 4. Don't fall for John Beck's seminars either. If you've attended as many seminars as I have, you'll know, that "free" seminars are just invites in attempt to sell the public on "mentoring" or "workshops" of some sort. SCAMS! Until next time, take care Everyone cause I care Aloha from Hawaii and God Bless. P.S. Call me Mike Evans to claim your christmas gift.

Hey there Manjunath, I hope that this rebuttal finds you in good spirits and health. Don't worry about a thing. Keep copies of all correspondance to the scam John Beck Mentoring Institute, Attorney General, Consumer Protection, FTC, etc, etc and especially your credit card company. It is especially important to keep all documents, which are relevant to the successful outcome to your dispute, as it clearly demonstrates the fraudulent John Beck Mentoring Institutes unwillingness to come forward and participate in an open dispute and PROVE, that they're not a scam operation. As I've mentioned many times before, once a decision has been made by someones credit card company to issue a charge back, their no longer exists a "debt" to be collected. The "debt" would have been erased. NADA! Fraudulent businesses are aware of this, but wish to have consumers believe otherwise, so that they may possibly sick fraudulent collection agencies on the ill informed. Believe me Manjunath, for I wouldn't be telling you this, If I haven't heard it directly from the mouths of a few FTC officials. John Becks programs are scams! Then again, all moneymaking infomercials are. They're all just in the business of peddling useless "information". Until next time, take care Manjunath cause I care, Aloha from Hawaii and God Bless.

Hello Reid and others, I too have my report listed in this site. http://www.ripoffreport.com/reports/ripoff111802.htm Reid...you are really helping many people get into right track. Well, I have learned a lesson to investigate before you take such a decision to invest. Anyways, i'll keep updating my report as when things happen. Please do advice me Reid as to what we and I can do to end such things not to happen again. Thanks.

Hey there Desiree, I hope that this rebuttal finds you in good spirits and health. There are many websites, which contain information regarding foreclosures, tax liens, and a variety of other Real Estate info, and for free. The best way to access Real Estate information is through a general search. Don't ever purchase "Money making" products seen on Infomercials however, for it is very safe to assume they're all scams, especially those which claim to offer "mentoring" of some sort. Take it from me. I have been scammed by the fraudulent John Beck Mentoring Institute. I have absolutely nothing to gain by coming forward and sharing my experience. I have posted many reports regarding the fraudulent John Beck Mentoring Institute, on not only this website, but many others... and to no avail. No legitimate company would ever have allowed this many reports to have gone unacknowledged and unresolved. Telephone mentoring simply does not exist. Real Estate Infomercial courses in particular, are just overpriced invites to bogus seminars, workshops, and into fraudulent and non-existant fairy tale "mentoring" programs. EXAMPLE: Imbreed Mike Evans, from the fraudulent John Beck Mentoring Institute, claimed that I would be "mentored" to use OPM (other people's money) to buy and re-sell tax lien properties for profit. f****t Mike Evans also claimed, that I would be profiting anywhere from $10,000.00-$15,000.00 a month, upon learning the fraudulent John Beck mentoring Institute's non-existant trade secrets. Let's see, on the conservative end, that would be $120,000 a year? All for only $6,400.00?, which just so happened to be my "available credit". How convenient is that? The cost of the fraudulent John Beck Mentoring program, and all other bogus "mentoring" programs for that matter, should be based contingent upon someone making the amount of profit, that's been fraudulently claimed. This to me, sounds like a better measurement to determine the value of John Beck's rubbish, I mean program. No "guru" in their right mind would ever offer to "mentor" a complete stranger to use his or her success strategies, while taking such profit loses anually. It would be the same as a retail outlet opening a location for no profit. Nothing to gain, much to lose, and makes absolutely zero sense. If it were true, that I could make $10,000.00 a month by using this decrepid old mans secret knowlegdge of real estate, wouldn't it make more sense for incest boy Mike Evans to practice using the techniques himself, instead of peddling the garbage? I apologize Desiree, for once again going off tangent. It's just that, I don't wish for you, or anyone else, to fall into the traps of incest boy Mike Evans, decrepid/sickly looking/ready to kick the bucket John Beck, Asian monkey Tom Vu, two identical demented midgets, faggy Donkey Lapre, and the likes. Real Estate infomation regarding foreclosures, tax liens, etc, etc, are all public information and often offered on the internet for free. Conduct a google search, and you will discover many free Real Estate forums, where people are willing and able to share free advice. Upon doing so, you'll also discover, how Real Estate investing is no where as simple as the circus clowns portray it to be. Until next time, take care Desiree along with Everyone else cause I care, Aloha from Hawaii and God Bless.

Hello ALL - Thank You for all the info you have posted in reference to John Beck's SCAM I also was like one of the others and went on ebay to see if they had a copy of the "john Beck BOOKS" I then found yours in searching online to see if the sets being auctioned on ebay were complete. So I have been down that same road. Though I have a question for all of you....And please don't hesitate to reply via email I would appreciate ANY feedback. I know that the books beck shows on is infomercial exists but how do we get a listing of those properties within certain counties? Who would we need to contact county wise or city wise? Has anybody done their own research on how to get listings that Beck refer's to? If so please let me know. I am going to start researching it on my own if I find out anything I will definetly let anyone know that replies to me. But PLEASE if any of you have found out how to get these books that contain thousands of properties that you can buy cheap & outright thru the counties, cities or towns please let me know.... I would appreciate any feedback

Hey there Jack, I hope that this rebuttal finds you in good spirits and health. Thank you very much for your positive and sincere rebuttal. There is no better feeling in the world, than knowing I have been sucessful in saving yet another person from the John Beck scam. There are a few others besides John Beck and his bull$h!t "mentoring" team involved with the scam. One for instance is the BBB. Totally false organization, in that they want nothing better than to have consumers believe, that they are the unbiased "mediators" between merchants and consumers. Nothing could be further from the truth. The BBB literally serves no purpose, other than to deceive consumers, by wanting consumers to believe they are on the consumers side. Memberships are paid for, not earned. The BBB plaque, that often hangs in store front windows and or behind counters are very deceiving to consumers. The store bought plaque gives consumers a false impression, that a particular merchant must be reputable to have been endorsed by such a prestigious organization. Credit card companies are no better. They will continue to allow fraudulent activities to take place, regardless of whether many disputes have already proven a business fraudulent. I have recently won my dispute, but as I have promised in the past, will never stop posting until my unfortunate and "true experience" has been acknowledged and rectified to the absolute best of my satisfaction. $9.8 million may seem like a lot of money, but my time is very valuable. I must make an example out of this fraudulent company and totally at their expense. I don't give a rat's a$$ what happens to this fraudulent company as a result of my postings. It has now become my personal duty to post my "true experience" to warn and save as many people as I possibly can from also being taken by this scam. Breakdown of $9.8 million. 1. Wasted much of my precious time. 2. Lost wages due to this scam. 3. Attempts to blow me off as just another scam victim. This $9.8 million is also a direct result of exponential accumulation. 4. Stress, aggravation, mental anguish, ridicule, humiliation, etc, etc. 5. Zero remorse factor. I have zero remorse for people with zero remorse, that have wronged me. The fraudulent John Beck Mentoring Institute owes me this $9.8 million. No one will ever determine what my time is worth but myself. Thanks again Jack for responding to my many reports and rebuttals. It gave me a wonderful opportunity and also a very good excuse to rant more. LOL. Really though, It gave me the opportunity to warn the public as to this fraudulent company's real intentions. LURE AND TRAP!! Until next time, take care Jack along with everone else cause I care, Aloha from Hawaii and God Bless.

Hey there Jack, I hope that this rebuttal finds you in good spirits and health. Thank you very much for your positive and sincere rebuttal. There is no better feeling in the world, than knowing I have been sucessful in saving yet another person from the John Beck scam. There are a few others besides John Beck and his bull$h!t "mentoring" team involved with the scam. One for instance is the BBB. Totally false organization, in that they want nothing better than to have consumers believe, that they are the unbiased "mediators" between merchants and consumers. Nothing could be further from the truth. The BBB literally serves no purpose, other than to deceive consumers, by wanting consumers to believe they are on the consumers side. Memberships are paid for, not earned. The BBB plaque, that often hangs in store front windows and or behind counters are very deceiving to consumers. The store bought plaque gives consumers a false impression, that a particular merchant must be reputable to have been endorsed by such a prestigious organization. Credit card companies are no better. They will continue to allow fraudulent activities to take place, regardless of whether many disputes have already proven a business fraudulent. I have recently won my dispute, but as I have promised in the past, will never stop posting until my unfortunate and "true experience" has been acknowledged and rectified to the absolute best of my satisfaction. $9.8 million may seem like a lot of money, but my time is very valuable. I must make an example out of this fraudulent company and totally at their expense. I don't give a rat's a$$ what happens to this fraudulent company as a result of my postings. It has now become my personal duty to post my "true experience" to warn and save as many people as I possibly can from also being taken by this scam. Breakdown of $9.8 million. 1. Wasted much of my precious time. 2. Lost wages due to this scam. 3. Attempts to blow me off as just another scam victim. This $9.8 million is also a direct result of exponential accumulation. 4. Stress, aggravation, mental anguish, ridicule, humiliation, etc, etc. 5. Zero remorse factor. I have zero remorse for people with zero remorse, that have wronged me. The fraudulent John Beck Mentoring Institute owes me this $9.8 million. No one will ever determine what my time is worth but myself. Thanks again Jack for responding to my many reports and rebuttals. It gave me a wonderful opportunity and also a very good excuse to rant more. LOL. Really though, It gave me the opportunity to warn the public as to this fraudulent company's real intentions. LURE AND TRAP!! Until next time, take care Jack along with everone else cause I care, Aloha from Hawaii and God Bless.

Hey there Jack, I hope that this rebuttal finds you in good spirits and health. Thank you very much for your positive and sincere rebuttal. There is no better feeling in the world, than knowing I have been sucessful in saving yet another person from the John Beck scam. There are a few others besides John Beck and his bull$h!t "mentoring" team involved with the scam. One for instance is the BBB. Totally false organization, in that they want nothing better than to have consumers believe, that they are the unbiased "mediators" between merchants and consumers. Nothing could be further from the truth. The BBB literally serves no purpose, other than to deceive consumers, by wanting consumers to believe they are on the consumers side. Memberships are paid for, not earned. The BBB plaque, that often hangs in store front windows and or behind counters are very deceiving to consumers. The store bought plaque gives consumers a false impression, that a particular merchant must be reputable to have been endorsed by such a prestigious organization. Credit card companies are no better. They will continue to allow fraudulent activities to take place, regardless of whether many disputes have already proven a business fraudulent. I have recently won my dispute, but as I have promised in the past, will never stop posting until my unfortunate and "true experience" has been acknowledged and rectified to the absolute best of my satisfaction. $9.8 million may seem like a lot of money, but my time is very valuable. I must make an example out of this fraudulent company and totally at their expense. I don't give a rat's a$$ what happens to this fraudulent company as a result of my postings. It has now become my personal duty to post my "true experience" to warn and save as many people as I possibly can from also being taken by this scam. Breakdown of $9.8 million. 1. Wasted much of my precious time. 2. Lost wages due to this scam. 3. Attempts to blow me off as just another scam victim. This $9.8 million is also a direct result of exponential accumulation. 4. Stress, aggravation, mental anguish, ridicule, humiliation, etc, etc. 5. Zero remorse factor. I have zero remorse for people with zero remorse, that have wronged me. The fraudulent John Beck Mentoring Institute owes me this $9.8 million. No one will ever determine what my time is worth but myself. Thanks again Jack for responding to my many reports and rebuttals. It gave me a wonderful opportunity and also a very good excuse to rant more. LOL. Really though, It gave me the opportunity to warn the public as to this fraudulent company's real intentions. LURE AND TRAP!! Until next time, take care Jack along with everone else cause I care, Aloha from Hawaii and God Bless.

Hey there Jack, I hope that this rebuttal finds you in good spirits and health. Thank you very much for your positive and sincere rebuttal. There is no better feeling in the world, than knowing I have been sucessful in saving yet another person from the John Beck scam. There are a few others besides John Beck and his bull$h!t "mentoring" team involved with the scam. One for instance is the BBB. Totally false organization, in that they want nothing better than to have consumers believe, that they are the unbiased "mediators" between merchants and consumers. Nothing could be further from the truth. The BBB literally serves no purpose, other than to deceive consumers, by wanting consumers to believe they are on the consumers side. Memberships are paid for, not earned. The BBB plaque, that often hangs in store front windows and or behind counters are very deceiving to consumers. The store bought plaque gives consumers a false impression, that a particular merchant must be reputable to have been endorsed by such a prestigious organization. Credit card companies are no better. They will continue to allow fraudulent activities to take place, regardless of whether many disputes have already proven a business fraudulent. I have recently won my dispute, but as I have promised in the past, will never stop posting until my unfortunate and "true experience" has been acknowledged and rectified to the absolute best of my satisfaction. $9.8 million may seem like a lot of money, but my time is very valuable. I must make an example out of this fraudulent company and totally at their expense. I don't give a rat's a$$ what happens to this fraudulent company as a result of my postings. It has now become my personal duty to post my "true experience" to warn and save as many people as I possibly can from also being taken by this scam. Breakdown of $9.8 million. 1. Wasted much of my precious time. 2. Lost wages due to this scam. 3. Attempts to blow me off as just another scam victim. This $9.8 million is also a direct result of exponential accumulation. 4. Stress, aggravation, mental anguish, ridicule, humiliation, etc, etc. 5. Zero remorse factor. I have zero remorse for people with zero remorse, that have wronged me. The fraudulent John Beck Mentoring Institute owes me this $9.8 million. No one will ever determine what my time is worth but myself. Thanks again Jack for responding to my many reports and rebuttals. It gave me a wonderful opportunity and also a very good excuse to rant more. LOL. Really though, It gave me the opportunity to warn the public as to this fraudulent company's real intentions. LURE AND TRAP!! Until next time, take care Jack along with everone else cause I care, Aloha from Hawaii and God Bless.

Wow! Reid, I don't know what to say. I was watching this same commerical last night thinking to myself There's no way this could be true. I sat there and kept watching and finally I went ahead a wrote the number down and was going to call. I decided to wait to do some investigating online to see what I could find out about this. Well, after reading all of this I sure damm glad I didn't call. I'm very sorry for your misfortune, but I really appreicate the fact that you shared your experience with people like me to keep me from making a big Mistake. Best of luck with your battle. I will come back to this page from time to time hoping to read that you won the battle.

Hey there Kristen, I hope that this rebuttal finds you in good spirits and health. Thank you very much for responding to my many reports and rebuttals. It's nice to know that my experience can save some people from falling for this infomercial nonsense. In answer to your question regarding the Free and Clear program, and if it would work alone without the "mentoring", FAT CHANCE! The Free and Clear Program is sold with the intent of luring people into their credit card scheme. That's why you'll notice, that all that have been scammed by this fraudulent company have invested different amounts. What they are really interested in, is ones total available line of credit. A person's total available line of credit will ultimately determine what the cost of their fraudulent "mentoring" program will be. Upon calling the bogus John Beck Mentoring Institute, the salesperson will proceed to ask you a series of questions, mostly pertaining to your credit card. He or she will throw in a few other questions, in attempt to throw you off, and make you believe, that what they have to offer is not a scam. The Free and Clear program is totally bogus and for a good reason, for if it wasn't, it wouldn't allow them the opportunity to lure people into their credit card scheme. Make sense? What pi$$ed me off even further from the fact that the Free and Clear Progam is a total waste of money, was the fact that this Mike Evans character sold me a bunch of empty promises. This d****e bag even threatened to sue me, had I ever decided to exercise my right as a consumer to dispute John Beck's fraudulent and non existent "mentoring". Well I'm here to say, I'm still waiting to be served. I'd like nothing more than to be in a courtroom with Mike Evans. I am interested in witnessing first hand, exactly what fraudulent businesses have up their sleeves. I want to expose once and for all, the other side of the scam. The fraudulent John Beck Mentoring Institute can't even win a simple credit card dispute, by proving it's company and offer worthy, so I don't see why they even bother threatening to sue people. LOL. What a joke!! Anyways, I have to go for now, but like always will be back to keep each and everyone posted. Once again, thank you very much Kristen for responding to my many rebuttals, by doing so shows the world there are still people that care. Until next time, take care Kristen along with everyone else cause I care, Aloha from Hawaii and God Bless.

Hi, I would just like to say thanks Reid for all of your comments on these scams. I just finished watching the John Beck Free and Clear infomercial, and just got online to do research before almost being naive enough to call and purchase this. I was, however, going to purchase this from eBay, from another user who had already purchased it, with the hopes of no telemarketing calls. However, after reading your messages, I will not even waste my time. I will admit, I was an "Internet Treasure Chest" sucker. I was also a sucker for this other ridiculous "Make money, blah blah..." things I saw on TV. John Beck's almost looked so believable, but they ALL do, so I don't know how I could be so stupid to have even considered trying it. I mean, does he really send you books with the listings currently for sale in it for you to buy on your on, or is there another catch to this "free and clear" crap? Would it have been worth it if you had not paid the couple thousand for the marketing thing? Do you actually think those books and listings he gives with the $29.95 package is enough to make all this money? Thank you again for all of your responses and updates!

Hi, I would just like to say thanks Reid for all of your comments on these scams. I just finished watching the John Beck Free and Clear infomercial, and just got online to do research before almost being naive enough to call and purchase this. I was, however, going to purchase this from eBay, from another user who had already purchased it, with the hopes of no telemarketing calls. However, after reading your messages, I will not even waste my time. I will admit, I was an "Internet Treasure Chest" sucker. I was also a sucker for this other ridiculous "Make money, blah blah..." things I saw on TV. John Beck's almost looked so believable, but they ALL do, so I don't know how I could be so stupid to have even considered trying it. I mean, does he really send you books with the listings currently for sale in it for you to buy on your on, or is there another catch to this "free and clear" crap? Would it have been worth it if you had not paid the couple thousand for the marketing thing? Do you actually think those books and listings he gives with the $29.95 package is enough to make all this money? Thank you again for all of your responses and updates!

Hi, I would just like to say thanks Reid for all of your comments on these scams. I just finished watching the John Beck Free and Clear infomercial, and just got online to do research before almost being naive enough to call and purchase this. I was, however, going to purchase this from eBay, from another user who had already purchased it, with the hopes of no telemarketing calls. However, after reading your messages, I will not even waste my time. I will admit, I was an "Internet Treasure Chest" sucker. I was also a sucker for this other ridiculous "Make money, blah blah..." things I saw on TV. John Beck's almost looked so believable, but they ALL do, so I don't know how I could be so stupid to have even considered trying it. I mean, does he really send you books with the listings currently for sale in it for you to buy on your on, or is there another catch to this "free and clear" crap? Would it have been worth it if you had not paid the couple thousand for the marketing thing? Do you actually think those books and listings he gives with the $29.95 package is enough to make all this money? Thank you again for all of your responses and updates!

Successful in getting refund, read my personal report at http://ripoffreport.com/reports/ripoff109132.htm Thanks & good luck to you.

While PMI coaching handles & manages the coaching portion, who actually made the sale? I've read reports from consumers that purchased E-books, these sales/coaching groups have been calling them also. Buyer Beware, be careful of back door phone solicitation if you've purchased any e-book or infomercial product. In my situation, it was "The Summit Group" that made the sale hiding behind the name "Auctions for Income Success Team". I think many reports target the front companies, the ones that are most visible, while the deceivers stay hidden and unaccountable. I got 100% refund directly from the fullfillment company: IDI Internet Developement Inc because the sales group "The Summit Group" stonewalled, argued, blamed all the while promising the world on that invisible silver platter. pmicoaching.com shows they are involved in Real Estate = America's Note Network that has Unsatisfactoy BBB rating. One of their dba's is PMI, along with Dalbey Publishing, Dalby Publishing, Winning in the Cash Flow Business. PMI left Kansas City, MO with no forwarding address but stated that this company is headquarted out of American Fork UT, which happens to be the city & state of The Summit Group, well at least the division that made the sale to me. Summits 800 number from IDI is in Maryland. PMI's Lindon UT address had unsatisfactory BBB rating and states that they had a strategic alliance with StoresOnline. Their Kearney MO address is the same address as NMR, National Marketing Resources which was the coaching title given to me as my coaching provider. My coach was actually quite decent to me but had no power in providing refund, all that went back to the sales group "The Summit Group". NMR & PMI show Steve Thorne as CEO or Principal. I feel that "The Summit Group" is an umbrella name for many of the smaller companies they own or partner with. If you try to find BBB reports on the summit group, not found. But Professional Consulting Service, Professional Marketing Inc and other names all have unsatisfactory BBB reports. Couldn't find address for The Summit Group, but a search of their address turned up Summit Consulting, both show Colton Moody as CEO and has an unsatisfactory BBB rating. They keep changing business names, moving but all complaints are similar. StoresOnline, Orem UT, has judgement against them. They were required to do several things: 3 day rescind, pay back consumers, provide consumers a list of all additional & optional services prior to finalizing sale. I think COSTS should be added here. The Summit group used 3 day rescind in their telephone solicitation, without the consumer benefit of listed services and costs prior to finalizing sale. All of these companies know about this judgment and the requirements of the judgement. Yet, they continue to decieve consumers by incorporating 3 day rescind to TRAP consumers. I feel these companies should be held accountable to the FTC requirements, lengthy description of what they are required to provide consumers. They certainly didn't provide this information to me prior to finalizing the sale. Can be found at: http://www.data.bbb.org/denver2.asp which is America's Note Network BBB reliability report, toward the end under Educational Comments. I just filed my lengthy report today, hopefully it will be up soon. Wishing everyone the best of luck in getting their refunds. While I did receive a refund I am interested in holding them accountable for stress and expenses. Stay strong ! Good luck to all.

Hey there Sharea, I hope that this rebuttal finds you in good spirits and health. Thank you very much for your kind, warm and sincere reply. If I'm not mistaken, you are the first to reply to this particular thread. By you actually going out on a limb to post your experience shows the entire world, that you genuinely posses a great character. It's wonderful people like yourself, that deter any possible shill puppet activities. Until next time, take care Sharea and everyone else, Aloha from Hawaii and God Bless. Keep in touch.

This morning I was watching TV when the Free & Clear infomercial came on. I have to be honest, I was convinced enough to at least give them a call and order the package for $39.95 + S & H. The first call was answered by a young women who seemed much more interested in what type of credit card I would be using that day, rather then if I had any questions. She placed me on hold after I simply asked her how much the shipping and handling fees were. I hung up after several minutes because it seemed very odd that she didn't know the answer right away. I called back and spoke to another women who again waisted no time asking for my credit card info. I replied; "First I would like you to tell me exactly what I will be getting and how much shipping and handling will be." After she briefly responded to my questions with answers, she again waisted no time getting right to my credit card info. I responed by telling her she seemed much to interested in my credit card and I would not be making the purchase. I thanked her for her time and then hung up. I was very turned off by the "eager to get your money" attitude rather than "eager to sell" attitude both of these women had. It just didn't feel right. For piece of mind, I decided to surf the net to see if there were any complaints out there about this compnay. I found yours. I would first like to say, I hope all goes well with your situation and I really admire your determination to get the truth out there to un-suspecting consumers like myself. Thanks to you and this information I am not one of "John Beck's" victims. Thank you for sharing your story I'm sure it will educate and touch many. God Bless and best wishes.

Hey Everyone, Today's date is Saturday March 20, 2004. I hope that this update finds each and every one of you in good spirit and health. It is I once again, just updating my rip-off report while keeping you posted on exactly what's going on, just as I have promised. First things first, let's see, ten complaints and not a single rebuttal, by a single person, employee, associate, or affiliate from anyone of the companies responsible for ripping everyone off. Not even one single person has come forward to defend the companies responsible for ripping off hundreds or possibly even thousands of people. This is as arrogant as you can get. But the real reason why no employee from any one of the companies will come forward to defend him or herself is, because there are far too many reports with striking similarities in them and it's not just mere coincidence. This fact alone should automatically tell the general public what kind of company they are, just like many other so called real estate gurus claiming to be selling the same kind of bogus real estate mentoring. Keep in mine folks that the so-called John Beck's mentoring institute has a NO REFUND policy and there is a d**n good reason why. Isn't it strange how every complaint on this site, as well as other sites regarding this company have many striking similarities and much in common? The only reason why these companies have implemented a NO REFUND policy is simple. IT'S A TRAP!! YES ONCE AGAIN LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, IT'S A TRAP!! Once you realize that you have invested several thousands of dollars into a service, which is non-existent, you will find that it is near impossible to get a refund. IT'S AN UPHILL BATTLE ALL THE WAY!! These companies will play ping-pong with you and your money in the dispute process and will make every attempt to get you on a technicality to steal your money. Right now they are continuously submitting ridiculous things to try to counter my dispute such as documents and contracts that have absolutely nothing to do with why I've disputed their service in LOT OF TIME AND MONEY IN PRINTING AND MAILING COSTS BY HAVING TO CONSTATLY COUNTER THEIR RIDICULOUS COUNTER CLAIMS, JUST AS I KNEW THEY WOULD, THESE BASTARDS ARE CONSTANTLY SUBMITTING ONLY ONE TO PAGE DOCUMENTS WHICH IS TOTALLY IRRELEVANT AND HAS NOTHING TO DO TO WITH THE REASON WHY I DISPUTED THEIR SERVICE IN THE FIRST PLACE. I HAVE NOT ONCE DENIED ORDERING THEIR CRAP IN ANY OF MY PREVIOUS REPORTS. SO BY THEM SUBMITTING ITEMS THAT DON'T EVEN PERTAIN TO MY DISPUTE SHOWS THE ENTIRE WORLD THAT THEY ARE DESPERATELY TRYING TO RIP MYSELF OFF ALONG WITH GOD KNOWS HOW MANY OTHER PEOPLE. THE SCAM LIES IN THE NON-EXISTANT DREAM THAT THEY ARE SELLING UNDER FALSE PRETENCES ALONG WITH ALL THE TRAPS THAT THEY HAVE SET. This is what the salespeople mean by using O.P.M. (other peoples money) YOUR MONEY!! So far they have submitted copies of our signed contract and agreement, receipts and invoices, letters, etc etc. which is all irrelevant to my dispute, because what it all boils down to is the fact that these companies HAVE NOT LIVED UP TO ANY OF THERE CLAIMS. All that they are trying to do now is drag this thing on for as long as it takes in hopes that I bow out of the situation. THEIR WHOLE PROGRAM IS A SCAM!! EVERYTHING FROM THEIR DECEPTIVE INFOMERCIAL TO THE COMPANIES INVOLVED WITH RIPPING HUNDREDS OR EVEN THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE OFF. EVERY COMPANY RECEIVES COMPLAINTS IN SOME WAY SHAPE OR FORM, BUT HOW THEY HANDLE THOSE COMPLAINTS IS WHAT SEPARATES ALL LEGITIMATE BUSINESSES FROM ALL MONEYMAKING SCAMS. THESE COMPANIES AND IT'S EMPLOYEES HAVE NOT EVEN ADDRESSED ONE OF THE COMPLAINTS POSTED ON THIS WEBSITE AND A FEW OTHER WEBSITES. SO WHAT DOES THAT TELL YOU? THESE POMPOUS AND ARROGANT SONS OF BI#CHES HAVE NOT SUBMITTED ONE REBUTTAL TO DEFEND THEMSELVES. THIS IS BECAUSE THEY CHOOSE TO HIDE BEHIND ANY LOOPHOLES IN THE LAW AND FINE PRINT OF OUR CREDIT CARDS AND USE IT ON THEIR BEHALF AND AS A WEAPON AGAINST YOU. THIS IS NOTHING SHORT OF EXTORTION. I am currently in a dispute battle with these thugs and let me tell you, WHEW!! It's a living hell. I'm not going to lie, I haven't returned their materials until just recently, but there is a really good reason why. To tell you the truth, I don't trust anyone at these companies from their receptionists, to their salespeople, to their so-called mentors. If you've done business with these thugs yourself you'd know exactly what I'm talking about. All the materials that I have received have come from different addresses and every time I tried contacting someone at any one of the numbers in my possession; I would get the runaround or hung up on. I cannot believe the arrogance of the employees at these companies responsible for ripping off numerous people. I cannot believe they actually have the audacity to stand me up along with everyone else, even though all the rip-off reports filed against them are as unfavorable as they can possibly be. Not to mention on a website that very easily draws one-two million visitors a day. How dare they stand up the bad business bureau? One of only a few organizations in existence that freely helps victims get relief from crooked businesses, and also make public thousands of reports that literally saves thousands of people if not millions from making the same mistake. Oh yeah, as I have mentioned in my previous report, one week has already gone by and I have yet to hear from anyone responsible for selling me this crap, so it is now imperative that I double my request for compensation by $31,900.00 while adding the additional ($1,500,00 x 5 weeks for no response = $7,500.00) TOTAL: $71,300.00 just as I have promised in my previous update, for it has become necessary to prove that I am dead serious about my campaign for justice. My next step will be to instruct the bad business bureau to include the companies that are responsible for ripping everyone off on their mass mailing campaign. There's enormous strength in numbers and every victim must come forward and relentlessly pursue their money if we are to force any changes, get monetarily reimbursed or at very least warn and protect the rest of the general public. THE PUBLIC HAS A RIGHT TO KNOW!! So in a nutshell, until the day all of your family, friends, neighbors, co-workers, acquaintances, etc. are ranting and raving about their new found fortune, I strongly suggest that you second guess all so-called real estate gurus who claim to have the ability to mentor you to success. Even if they did, which in most cases do not, they would have absolutely nothing to gain and much to lose by mentoring complete strangers to do the same. It would also be near impossible for them to hire and retain employees, for their employees would want to participate in the program themselves. DON'T ORDER PROGRAM AND IF YOU ALREADY HAVE, RETURN IT AS SOON AS POSSIBLE AND REQUEST AN IMMEDIATE REFUND. NEVER EVER GIVE A SALESPERSON YOUR CREDIT CARD NUMBER OVER THE PHONE, ESPECIALLY IF THE COMPANY IS INFOMERCIAL RELATED. RESEARCH ANY AND ALL COMPANIES THOROUGHLY BEFORE MAKING A DECISION WHETHER TO CONDUCT BUSINESS WITH THEM OR NOT. MANY TIMES COMPANIES ARE DESPERATE AND THEY CREATE AN IMPRESSION OF URGENCY. THEY DO THIS SO THAT WOULD BE VICTIMS WOULDN'T HAVE ANY TIME TO RESEARCH THEIR COMPANY IN ANY WAY. At the time that Mike Evans sold me on this garbage they call mentoring, he seemed really adamant, determined and d**n near desperate to get my credit card number. I finally gave in because of the fact that Mike Evans told me everything it was I wanted to hear. I was also in a tremendous rush to leave for work at the time and Mike Evans being the salesperson that he is, created a sense of urgency by saying we are only selecting a few people to work with our coaches who have been personally hand picked and mentored by John Beck himself, so I need you to act right now. Your coach will teach you how to use O.P.M. (other peoples money). FULL OF SH#T!! MORE LIKE MY MONEY!! NEVER EVER GIVE A SALESPERSON YOUR CREDIT CARD NUMBER OVER THE PHONE!! NEVER!! NEVER!! NEVER!! I only wish I'd taken my own advise on that dreadful day four months ago. I SHOULD HAVE IMMEDIATELY KNOWN THAT THIS WAS A SCAM WHEN MIKE EVANS BEGAN PRESSING HARDER AFTER I TOLD HIM THAT I WAS INTERESTED IN RESEARCHING THE COMPANY ON THE INTERNET FIRST, BEFORE I GOT BACK TO HIM THE NEXT DAY WITH A DECISION. LEGITIMATE COMPANIES ARE THE ONES WILLING AND ABLE TO SATISFY ANY AND ALL COMPLAINTS AGAIST THEM. MAKE THIS YOUR ONLY DETERMINING FACTOR WHENEVER DECIDING TO DO BUSINESS WITH A COMPANY. IN FACT, IT'S BEST TO RESEARCH ANY AND ALL COMPANIES BEFORE EVEN DECIDING TO GIVE THEM A CALL. I don't mean to sound like a hypocrite or anything; I'm only reporting the companies' activity to protect everyone from being victimized as I was. Now that I think about it, I feel really ashamed of what has happened to me. From now on we need to make it more challenging for companies to rip people off. Getting back to the dispute battle, which I am presently stuck in, because these schmucks are refusing to let it go. The only reason why the dispute is still alive is because the companies have submitted a copy of the signed contract, which have not been sent to me the entire time I was supposedly being mentored. I have received these two contracts prior to my first scheduled mentoring, which requested my signatures and immediate return. I know that it's partially my fault that I didn't take it upon myself to make copies of them on my own, but still they are the ones who breeched it by not living up to any of their claims while at the same time are desperately trying to steal my money. Have I mentioned the time when I called my coach up with a tax related question? My coach's advice to me was H&R Block. YEEEAH!! Mike Evans, the person responsible for selling me this crap in the first place wasn't too thrilled about me contacting my coach with this question and told me that my coach wouldn't know any thing about this service. WHAT!! Shouldn't the coaches know everything about they're company and exactly what services are being offered. I sure think so. Is there anyone out there who may be interested in someday starting their own website? Here's an idea, SUE ONLINE. We all know that it is impossible to sue someone online, but this new public forum would at very least deter all rip-off artists from attempting to drag innocent people behind closed doors where their big shot lawyers are able to ream them. The main purpose of SUE ONLINE would be to protect the innocent and less fortunate. Unlike big companies with bullies for legal advisors that have no problem wasting everyone's time and money by exploiting the lengthy dispute process. SUE ONLINE would just be the name of an online public forum to make sure innocent people are not taken advantage of or even worst robbed. This would be the next best thing to having the media present in a courtroom. The entire world may log in and witness actual court hearings and proceedings. Isn't this a wonderful idea? I HAVE BEEN MADE A FOOL OF, SO THAT HOPEFULLY THOUSANDS OF OTHERS WON'T BE. I SINCERELY HOPE THAT EACH AND EVERY ONE OF YOU WILL LEARN THROUGH THE MISTAKES THAT I HAVE MADE. IF SOMETHING SOUNDS TOO GOOD TO BE TRUE, IT DEFINETELY IS. It doesn't bother me much anymore, for it seems this may very well be a blessing in disguise. Hopefully, it will take a lot more for companies that wish to sell the trash they call mentoring than a deceiving and misleading infomercial that's full of crap. DON'T BELIEVE ANYTHING THAT YOU SEE ON INFOMERCIALS. THERE IS A d**n GOOD REASON WHY MANY COMPANIES FIND IT NECESSARY TO MARKET THEIR PRODUCTS AND OR SERVICES THROUGH PAID INFOMERCIALS. THERES ALWAYS A CATCH!! ALWAYS!! Anyways, until next time thanks again, take care everyone, Aloha from Hawaii and God Bless. P.S. DON'T ALLOW THESE COMPANIES THAT ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR RIPPING HUNDREDS IF NOT THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE OFF TO FOOL YOU INTO THINKING THAT THEIR TEMPORARY SILENCE, ABSENCE OF INFOMERCIAL AIRING AND THE SLOWING OF APPEARANCES ON RIP-OFF REPORT IS DUE TO GOOD BEHAVIOR. THEY'RE PROBABLY COOKING UP SOME OTHER BULLS#IT RIGHT NOW AS YOU ARE READING THIS REPORT. BUT DON'T WORRY, BECAUSE AS I ALWAYS PROMISE, I WILL KEEP YOU POSTED ON THEIR WHEREABOUTS AND CONTINUE TO MONITOR THEIR ACTIONS ALONG WITH EVERY MOVE UNTIL THE DAY I'M BURIED SIX FEET UNDERGROUND. WHAT PROVES A COMPANY'S GENUINE INTEREST IN PEOPLES SUCCESS FAR MORE THAN A PAID INFOMERCIAL IS THEIR WILLINGNESS TO ADMIT FAULT AND RECTIFY AND SATISY ANY AND ALL COMPLAINTS. THIS COMPANY HAS NOT RECTIFIED AND OR SATISFIED EVEN ONE. UNTIL THESE COMPANIES STARTS TO TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR DOING SO, THEIR ENTIRE PROGRAM REMAINS A SCAM. SO LET'S ALL SPREAD THE WORD REGARDING THESE COMPANIES TO EVERY SINGLE PERSON THAT YOU TALK TO DAILY. LET'S SPREAD IT LIKE WILDFIRE THROUGH THE USE OF THE WORLD'S MOST POWERFUL FORM OF ADVERTISING, WHICH IS WORD OF MOUTH. AND HOPEFULLY ONE SWEET DAY WE MAY ALL BE ABLE TO AUTOMATICALLY ASSOCIATE SO-CALLED REAL ESTATE MENTORING VIA TELEPHONE AS JUST ANOTHER SHADY THING OF THE PAST AND A SCAM JUST AS ENVELOPE STUFFING IS. ANYONE WHO HAD OR IS HAVING A DIFFICULT TIME WITH THESE COMPANIES, MAKE SURE TO POST A RIP-OFF REPORT OF YOUR OWN, IT WON'T COST YOU A PRETTY PENNY AND WILL MAKE IT MUCH EASIER TO PROTECT ANY MORE CONSUMERS FROM BEING HURT BY THESE FRAUDULENT ENTITIES. YOU MAY ALSO SUBMIT A REPORT TO THE NATIONAL FRAUD INFORMATION CENTER @ HTTP://WWW.FRAUD.ORG OR BY CALLING 1 800 422-7128. ALSO FEEL FREE TO CONTACT ME AT ANY TIME THROUGH THE bad business bureau. P.S.S. MAKE SURE TO READ WHAT OTHERS ARE SAYING ABOUT THESE COMPANIES. THERE IS A WEBSITE WHERE A SEASONED VETERAN IN REAL ESTATE INVESTING RATES ALL REAL ESTATE GURUS. THE INFORMATION ON HIS WEBSITE IS VERY INFOMATIVE, BUT MAY BE A LITTLE BIASED AND CONTRADICTIVE IN MANY WAYS, AS YOU WILL FIND THAT MANY OF THE GURUS THAT HE WOULD RECOMMENED HAVE MANY OF THE BAD QUALITIES THAT HE STRONGLY CLAIMS HE'S SO AGAINST. ALSO, DO A GENERAL SEARCH ON INFOMERCIALS AND YOU WILL STUMBLE ACROSS A FEW WEBSITES THAT WILL GIVE YOU THE ENTIRE PICTURE AND HISTORY BEHIND INFOMERCIALS AS WELL AS HOW IT ALL GOT STARTED. THE FLORIDA ATTORNEY GENERAL ALSO HAS SOME VERY INTERESTING INSIGHTS REGARDING INFOMERCIALS. ALSO, BE SURE TO CHECK OUT ALL COMPLAINTS REGARDING INFOMERCIAL PRODUCTS, SERVICES, AND DUBIOUS MONEYMAKING, PIE IN THE SKY, GET RICH QUICK SCHEMES. WWW.INFOMERCIALSCAMS.COM. ALL OF THE INFOMERCIALS SELLING MONEYMAKING PROGRAMS SEEM TO HAVE AT LEAST ONE THING IN COMMON AND THAT IS THEY DON'T CARE ABOUT THE ACCUMULATION OF COMPLAINTS REGARDLESS IF MOST COMPLAINTS ARE VERY SIMILAR IN NATURE IF NOT EXACTLY THE SAME. LIST OF THINGS THAT PROVE THAT THIS WHOLE THING IS NOTHING BUT A SCAM AND WHY THE ENTIRE WORLD SHOULD BOYCOTT ANY AND ALL INFOMERCIALS THAT CLAIM THEY'RE INTERESTED AND ABLE TO HELP PEOPLE ACCUMULATE WEALTH AND OR SUCCESS. 1. JUST LOOK AT HOW MANY COMPLAINTS EACH AND EVERY MONEYMAKING PROGRAM HAS, THE SIMILARITIES IN ALL OF THEM, AND THE SEVERE LACK OF WILLINGNESS TO ADDRESS THEM AND RECTIFY ANY OF THEM. 2. MISLEADING AND VERY DECEIVING INFOMERCIALS: NOTICE HOW ALL-MONEYMAKING INFOMERCIALS NEVER STATE THAT A SUBSTANCIAL INVESTMENT IS REQUIRED IN ORDER TO BENEFIT FROM THEIR PROGRAM? SURE IT'S NOT MANDATORY, BUT IT HAS ACTUALLY BEEN TOLD TO ME DURING THE SALE, ALONG WITH GOD KNOWS HOW MANY OTHER PEOPLE THAT THE PROGRAM BY ITSELF IS VIRTUALLY USELESS WITHOUT SOME KIND OF MENTORING, MERCHANT ACCOUNTS, WEBSITES, ETC, ETC. ISN'T IT STRANGE HOW IT'S NOT NECESSARY FOR THEM TO STATE THIS FACT ON THEIR INFOMERCIALS. INSTEAD THEY DECEIVE EVERYONE WITH TESTIMONIALS, MOST OF THEM PROBABLY FALSE AND MAY VERY WELL BE FROM PAID ACTORS AND OR ACTRESSES. 3. MISREPRESENTATION DURING THE SALES PROCESS: THE PERSON WHO IS ASSIGNED TO SELL YOU ON THE FRAUDULENT AND NON EXISTING OPPORTUNITY IS HIGHLY TRAINED IN MISLEADING, CONNING, JACKING, EXTORTION, ROBBING, COERCION AND HIGH PRESSURE SALES TACTICS, ALONG WITH MANY OTHER UNETHICAL AND UNPROFESSIONAL BUSINESS PRACTICES. THEY ARE SELLING A FRUDULENT AND NON-EXISTING MENTORING PROGRAM THROUGH FALSE AND MISLEADING PRETENCES. YOUR SALESPERSON WILL SAY ANYTHING AND EVERYTHING THAT HE OR SHE THINKS YOU WANT TO HEAR AND ALSO CREATE A FALSE SENSE OF URGENCY IN ORDER TO PURSUADE YOU TO MAKE A QUICK DECISION, THUS PREVENTING YOU FROM CONDUCTING ANY RESEARCH TO FIND THE MANY UNSATISFIED COMPLAINTS AGAINST THEM. THEY ALSO FAIL TO COOPERATE IN ALL EFFORTS TO RESOLVE CONSUMER DISPUTES. BELIEVE ME, THERE ARE MANY MORE CONSUMERS WHO HAVE BEEN RIPPED OFF BY THESE UNSCUPULOUS COMPANIES THAN JUST THE ONES LISTED ON THIS PAGE. IT JUST SO HAPPENS THAT MANY VICTIMS HAVE NOT YET FOUND THERE WAY TO THIS WEBSITE. ONE DAY IN THE VERY NEAR FUTURE THIS SCAM IS GOING PUBLIC. YES THESE GUYS MAY USE WHAT FEW OLD TESTIMONIALS THEY HAVE, BUT CANNOT AND WILL NOT BE ABLE TO JUSTIFY RIPPING OF THE THOUSANDS OF OTHER PEOPLE THAT THEY HAVE. PEOPLE WHO HAVE BEEN CONNED AND TRICKED INTO BUYING THEIR BOGUS NON-EXISTING PROGRAM. AND YES, SOMEONE NEEDS TO BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE, TAKE FULL RESPONSIBILITY AND BE BROUGHT TO JUSTICE FOR PARTICIPATING IN IT'S PROMOTION AND ALSO FOR PERPETUATING THIS VERY BLATANT AND MALICIOUS SCAM. 4. NO REFUNDS: IT'S A TRAP!! A SCAM IN DISGUISE!! ONCE THEY HAVE YOUR CREDIT CARD NUMBER AND YOU DISCOVER THAT THEY ARE TOTALLY UNABLE TO LIVE UP TO ANY OF THEIR CLAIMS, IT WILL BE VERY DIFFICULT TO d**n NEAR IMPOSSIBLE FOR YOU TO GET A REFUND. THESE BASTARDS HIDE BEHIND THEIR NO REFUND POLICY. THE OFFER IS FRAUDULENT AND THIS IS THE VERY REASON WHY THEY'VE IMPLEMENTED A NO REFUND POLICY IN THE FIRST PLACE, REGARDLESS IF THEY TELL YOU OTHERWISE. AGAIN, THEY ARE WILLING TO TELL YOU WHATEVER IT IS YOU WANT TO HEAR TO CAPTURE YOUR CREDIT CARD NUMBER AND HOLD IT HOSTAGE IN HOPES TO WIN YOU OVER IN THE LONG AND GRUELING DISPUTE BATTLE. ANOTHER TIP THAT PROVES THIS IS JUST ANOTHER BUT A BAIT AND SWITCH TRAP IS THE FACT THAT THESE COMPANIES ARE VERY QUICK TO TAPE RECORD THE AGREEMENT TO PURCHASE, BUT THEY DON'T TAPE RECORD ANY OF THEIR LIES AND BOGUS SALES PITCHES. IT HAS NOW BEEN OVER FOUR MONTHS SINCE I FIRST DISPUTED THE QUALITY OF SERVICES (DECEPTIVE TRADE) AND SO FAR THESE CROOKS HAVE BEEN UNABLE TO FURNISH ANYTHING EVEN PARTIALLY RELEVANT TO MY CLAIMS. WHILE I AM SUBMITTING 20-30 PAGES OF RIP-OFF REPORT AFTER RIP-OFF REPORT, THESE JACKASSES ARE SUBMITTING ITEMS THAT HAVE ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO WITH MY DISPUTE, FOR IF YOU'LL NOTICE IN ALL OF MY PREVIOUS REPORTS, I HAVE NOT ONCE DENIED ORDERING THEIR SCAM. WHAT THEY ARE DOING NOW IS ONLY HELPING ME PROVE MY POINT THAT THEIR PROGAM IS NOTHING BUT A TRAP AND A SCAM. THIS PROGRAM IS NOTHING MORE THAN A WELL-ORCHESTRATED SCHEME THAT INVOLVES EXTORTION BY COMPANIES ENGAGING IN ORGANIZED CRIME. 5. BAD CUSTOMER SERVICE: THE CUSTOMER SERVICE IS HORRIBLE. THE PEOPLE WHO WORK FOR THESE COMPANIES ARE OFTEN VERY RUDE, UNPROFESSIONAL AND ENJOY NOTHING MORE THAN GIVING YOU THE RUN AROUND. YOUR COACH SOMETIMES TAKES FRIGGGIN HOURS JUST TO RETURN YOUR CALL. THERE'S EVEN COMPLAINTS ABOUT PEOPLE BEING HUNG UP ON WHEN THE PRESSURE GOT TO MUCH FOR THE UNPROFESSIONALS. I'VE BEEN HUNG UP ON MYSELF SEVERAL TIMES. 6. EXTORTION: I CANNOT EMPHASIZE ENOUGH, THE IMPORTANCE OF NOT SUPPLYING YOUR CREDIT CARD INFORMATION TO THESE THUGS. I AM NOT SAY THIS FOR MY OWN SELFISH REASONS, FOR I AM WELL BEYOND JUST A REFUND AT THIS POINT. THIS IS A TRAP!! THESE BOGUS MENTORING SERVICES ARE JUST ELABORATE SCHEMES TO FISH IN AS MANY UNSUSPECTING VICTIMS AS THEY POSSIBLY CAN. THEIR PRIMARY OBJECTIVE IS TO ACCUMULATE AS MANY CREDIT CARD NUMBERS AS POSSIBLE AND TAKE AS MANY PEOPLE AS THEY POSSIBLY CAN ON THE JOURNEY OF A LIFETIME, BECAUSE THEY ARE WELL AWARE OF THE FACT THAT MANY PEOPLE CANNOT AFFORD TO (TIMEWISE AND FINANCIALLY) CHASE AFTER THEY'RE HARD EARNED MONEY AND WILL EVENTUALLY BOW OUT AND JUST EAT THEIR LOSSES. DURING MY CONVERSATION WITH MIKE EVANS REGARDING A REFUND AND IN WHICH HE THREATENED TO SUE ME, MIKE EVANS WAS REALLY QUICK TO JUMP THE GUN IN ASSUMING THAT I HAVE CLAIMED FRAUD AGAINST HIS COMPANY. NOW WHY IN THE WORLD WOULD ANY LEGITIMATE COMPANY OR BUSINESS WHO HAS NOTHING TO HIDE ASSUME THIS?? SCAM!! TILL THIS DAY THESE COMPANIES HAVE CONTINUED TO SUBMIT RIDICULOUS ITEMS IN THEIR DEFENSE TO MY DISPUTE, SUCH AS INVOICES, RECEIPTS, CONTRACTS, ETC, ETC, ALL WHICH HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH THE REASON FOR MY DISPUTE, ITEMS THAT PROVE ABSOLUTELY NOTHING, FOR I HAVE NOT ONCE DENIED ENROLLING IN THEIR PROGRAM IN ANY OF MY PREVIOUS REPORTS. THE FACT THAT THEY HAVE NOT ONCE FURNISHED ANYTHING EVEN PARTIALLY RELEVANT TO MY CLAIMS AND ACTUALLY HAVING IT PASS AS LEGITIMATE COUNTERS, ONLY PROVES THEIR DESPERATION AND BLATANT INTENT TO RIP PEOPLE OFF. I HONESTLY AND WHOLEHEARTEDY BELIVE THAT THERE'S A REASON FOR EVERYTHING IN LIFEAND I FEEL THAT I HAVE BEEN RIPPED OFF SO THAT HUNDREDS OR EVEN THOUSANDS OF OTHERS WILL NOT BE IN THE FUTURE. SO UNTIL THE DAY YOU SEE ALL THE COMPLAINTS BEING ACKNOWLEGED AND RESOLVED, I STRONGLY SUGGEST THAT EVERYONE AVOID ANY AND ALL MONEYMAKING PROGRAMS THAT CLAIM THE ABILITY TO MENTOR YOU TO SUCCESS. THEY'RE ALL-ENGAGING IN DECEPTIVE TRADE (BAIT AND SWITCH) AND ARE PREYING ON INNOCENT PEOPLE WHO ARE JUST TRYING TO MAKE ENDS MEET. THESE GUYS DON'T CARE ABOUT WHO THEY RIP OFF. REAL ESTATE IS A VERY COMPLEX SUBJECT THAT HAS MANY DIFFERENT LAWS GOVERNING IT. AFTER BROWSING AND SKIMMING THROUGH A FEW BOOKS AT BORDERS BOOKS I FINALLY CAME TO MY SENSES IN THAT BEGINNER COULD NOT POSSIBLY LEARN ALL THE PERTINENT INFORMATION INCLUDING ALL THE LEGALITIES REGARDING REAL ESTATE IN ONLY TEN TELEPHONE CONVERSATIONS, ALL WHICH LASTS NO MORE THAN TEN-FIFTEEN MINUTES EACH. I THOUGHT I'D NEVER LIVE TO SEE THE DAY WHEN THE AMOUNT OF SCAMS THAT EXISTED FAR EXCEEDED THE NUMBER OF LEGITIMATE BUSINESSES. YOU KNOW, ALL OF THE FRAUDULENT OFFERS THAT ARE FEATURED ON INFOMERCIALS, FLOOD OUR MAILBOXES, ADVERTISED IN NEWSPAPER CLASSIFIED ADS, MAGAZINES, ETC, ETC. ALL BUSINESSES THAT REQUIRE A FEE OVER AND BEYOND THE COST OF THE MATERIALS IS A FLAT OUT SCAM. IT DOESN'T MATTER HOW A COMPANY DECIDES TO DISGUISE AND EXPLAIN THE REASON FOR A FEE. WHEN WAS THE LAST TIME THAT YOU PAID AN EMPLOYER TO BE ON THE COMPANY'S PAYROLL? YOU'D BE WORKING FOR THEM!! SCAM!! SCAM!! SCAM!! SCAM!! THE FRAUDULENT COMPANIES THAT DO CHARGE FEES OVER AND BEYOND THE COST OF THEIR CRAP ARE ONLY IN THE BUSINESS OF SELLING USELESS INFORMATION. IF YOU ONLY REMEMBER ONE THING FROM ANY OF MY REPORTS AND UPDATES REMEMBER THAT TELEPHONE MENTORING, LIKE ENVELOPE STUFFING, DOES NOT EXIST AND EVEN IF IT DID, IT WOULD BE IMPOSSIBLE FOR A BEGINNER TO OBTAIN ALL THE PERTINENT LAWS GOVERNING REAL ESTATE AND ALSO ALL OF THE PERTINENT POLICIES AND PROCEDURES IN ONLY TEN SESSIONS WHICH LASTS NO MORE THAN TEN-FIFTEEN MINUTES EACH. ALSO, COMPANIES AND SO CALLED GURUS WOULD HAVE NOTHING TO GAIN AND MUCH TO LOSE BY MENTORING OTHERS TO USE THEIR STRATEGIES IN THE FIRST PLACE. ONE LAST THING THAT I'D LIKE TO BRING TO THE WORLDS ATTENTION IS THE FACT THAT IN EVERY REPORT FILED AGAINST THESE FRAUDULENT COMPANIES YOU'LL NOTICE THAT THE INVESTMENTS VARY. SHAAADY!! IF THERE EVER WAS A LEGITIMATE PROGRAM THAT WAS BEING OFFERED BY A LEGITIMATE GURU THAT REALLY HAD THE POTENTIAL TO EARN SOMEONE $10,000.00-$15,000.00 A MONTH, IT WOULD COST FAR MORE THAN $6,400.00 AND WOULD DEFINETELY NOT BE NEGOTIABLE. THE FACT THAT THE INVESTMENT IS NEGOTIABLE ALONE PROVES THAT THE SCUMBAGS THAT PARTICIPATE IN THE PROMOTION OF THIS SCAM ARE ONLY INTERESTED IN GETTING THE MOST POSSIBLE OUT OF AS MANY PEOPLE AS THEY POSSIBLY CAN. TO ADD INSULT TO INJURY, THESE CON ARTISTS MAKE YOU THE VICTIM, THE REASON FOR FAILING MISERABLY. JUST AS YOU HAVE ALWAYS SUSPECTED! The only ones getting rich from all these business opportunities are the companies offering them! UNTIL NEXT TIME TAKE CARE EVERYONE, ALOHA FROM HAWAII AND GOD BLESS.

Hey Everyone, Today's date is Saturday March 20, 2004. I hope that this update finds each and every one of you in good spirit and health. It is I once again, just updating my rip-off report while keeping you posted on exactly what's going on, just as I have promised. First things first, let's see, ten complaints and not a single rebuttal, by a single person, employee, associate, or affiliate from anyone of the companies responsible for ripping everyone off. Not even one single person has come forward to defend the companies responsible for ripping off hundreds or possibly even thousands of people. This is as arrogant as you can get. But the real reason why no employee from any one of the companies will come forward to defend him or herself is, because there are far too many reports with striking similarities in them and it's not just mere coincidence. This fact alone should automatically tell the general public what kind of company they are, just like many other so called real estate gurus claiming to be selling the same kind of bogus real estate mentoring. Keep in mine folks that the so-called John Beck's mentoring institute has a NO REFUND policy and there is a d**n good reason why. Isn't it strange how every complaint on this site, as well as other sites regarding this company have many striking similarities and much in common? The only reason why these companies have implemented a NO REFUND policy is simple. IT'S A TRAP!! YES ONCE AGAIN LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, IT'S A TRAP!! Once you realize that you have invested several thousands of dollars into a service, which is non-existent, you will find that it is near impossible to get a refund. IT'S AN UPHILL BATTLE ALL THE WAY!! These companies will play ping-pong with you and your money in the dispute process and will make every attempt to get you on a technicality to steal your money. Right now they are continuously submitting ridiculous things to try to counter my dispute such as documents and contracts that have absolutely nothing to do with why I've disputed their service in LOT OF TIME AND MONEY IN PRINTING AND MAILING COSTS BY HAVING TO CONSTATLY COUNTER THEIR RIDICULOUS COUNTER CLAIMS, JUST AS I KNEW THEY WOULD, THESE BASTARDS ARE CONSTANTLY SUBMITTING ONLY ONE TO PAGE DOCUMENTS WHICH IS TOTALLY IRRELEVANT AND HAS NOTHING TO DO TO WITH THE REASON WHY I DISPUTED THEIR SERVICE IN THE FIRST PLACE. I HAVE NOT ONCE DENIED ORDERING THEIR CRAP IN ANY OF MY PREVIOUS REPORTS. SO BY THEM SUBMITTING ITEMS THAT DON'T EVEN PERTAIN TO MY DISPUTE SHOWS THE ENTIRE WORLD THAT THEY ARE DESPERATELY TRYING TO RIP MYSELF OFF ALONG WITH GOD KNOWS HOW MANY OTHER PEOPLE. THE SCAM LIES IN THE NON-EXISTANT DREAM THAT THEY ARE SELLING UNDER FALSE PRETENCES ALONG WITH ALL THE TRAPS THAT THEY HAVE SET. This is what the salespeople mean by using O.P.M. (other peoples money) YOUR MONEY!! So far they have submitted copies of our signed contract and agreement, receipts and invoices, letters, etc etc. which is all irrelevant to my dispute, because what it all boils down to is the fact that these companies HAVE NOT LIVED UP TO ANY OF THERE CLAIMS. All that they are trying to do now is drag this thing on for as long as it takes in hopes that I bow out of the situation. THEIR WHOLE PROGRAM IS A SCAM!! EVERYTHING FROM THEIR DECEPTIVE INFOMERCIAL TO THE COMPANIES INVOLVED WITH RIPPING HUNDREDS OR EVEN THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE OFF. EVERY COMPANY RECEIVES COMPLAINTS IN SOME WAY SHAPE OR FORM, BUT HOW THEY HANDLE THOSE COMPLAINTS IS WHAT SEPARATES ALL LEGITIMATE BUSINESSES FROM ALL MONEYMAKING SCAMS. THESE COMPANIES AND IT'S EMPLOYEES HAVE NOT EVEN ADDRESSED ONE OF THE COMPLAINTS POSTED ON THIS WEBSITE AND A FEW OTHER WEBSITES. SO WHAT DOES THAT TELL YOU? THESE POMPOUS AND ARROGANT SONS OF BI#CHES HAVE NOT SUBMITTED ONE REBUTTAL TO DEFEND THEMSELVES. THIS IS BECAUSE THEY CHOOSE TO HIDE BEHIND ANY LOOPHOLES IN THE LAW AND FINE PRINT OF OUR CREDIT CARDS AND USE IT ON THEIR BEHALF AND AS A WEAPON AGAINST YOU. THIS IS NOTHING SHORT OF EXTORTION. I am currently in a dispute battle with these thugs and let me tell you, WHEW!! It's a living hell. I'm not going to lie, I haven't returned their materials until just recently, but there is a really good reason why. To tell you the truth, I don't trust anyone at these companies from their receptionists, to their salespeople, to their so-called mentors. If you've done business with these thugs yourself you'd know exactly what I'm talking about. All the materials that I have received have come from different addresses and every time I tried contacting someone at any one of the numbers in my possession; I would get the runaround or hung up on. I cannot believe the arrogance of the employees at these companies responsible for ripping off numerous people. I cannot believe they actually have the audacity to stand me up along with everyone else, even though all the rip-off reports filed against them are as unfavorable as they can possibly be. Not to mention on a website that very easily draws one-two million visitors a day. How dare they stand up the bad business bureau? One of only a few organizations in existence that freely helps victims get relief from crooked businesses, and also make public thousands of reports that literally saves thousands of people if not millions from making the same mistake. Oh yeah, as I have mentioned in my previous report, one week has already gone by and I have yet to hear from anyone responsible for selling me this crap, so it is now imperative that I double my request for compensation by $31,900.00 while adding the additional ($1,500,00 x 5 weeks for no response = $7,500.00) TOTAL: $71,300.00 just as I have promised in my previous update, for it has become necessary to prove that I am dead serious about my campaign for justice. My next step will be to instruct the bad business bureau to include the companies that are responsible for ripping everyone off on their mass mailing campaign. There's enormous strength in numbers and every victim must come forward and relentlessly pursue their money if we are to force any changes, get monetarily reimbursed or at very least warn and protect the rest of the general public. THE PUBLIC HAS A RIGHT TO KNOW!! So in a nutshell, until the day all of your family, friends, neighbors, co-workers, acquaintances, etc. are ranting and raving about their new found fortune, I strongly suggest that you second guess all so-called real estate gurus who claim to have the ability to mentor you to success. Even if they did, which in most cases do not, they would have absolutely nothing to gain and much to lose by mentoring complete strangers to do the same. It would also be near impossible for them to hire and retain employees, for their employees would want to participate in the program themselves. DON'T ORDER PROGRAM AND IF YOU ALREADY HAVE, RETURN IT AS SOON AS POSSIBLE AND REQUEST AN IMMEDIATE REFUND. NEVER EVER GIVE A SALESPERSON YOUR CREDIT CARD NUMBER OVER THE PHONE, ESPECIALLY IF THE COMPANY IS INFOMERCIAL RELATED. RESEARCH ANY AND ALL COMPANIES THOROUGHLY BEFORE MAKING A DECISION WHETHER TO CONDUCT BUSINESS WITH THEM OR NOT. MANY TIMES COMPANIES ARE DESPERATE AND THEY CREATE AN IMPRESSION OF URGENCY. THEY DO THIS SO THAT WOULD BE VICTIMS WOULDN'T HAVE ANY TIME TO RESEARCH THEIR COMPANY IN ANY WAY. At the time that Mike Evans sold me on this garbage they call mentoring, he seemed really adamant, determined and d**n near desperate to get my credit card number. I finally gave in because of the fact that Mike Evans told me everything it was I wanted to hear. I was also in a tremendous rush to leave for work at the time and Mike Evans being the salesperson that he is, created a sense of urgency by saying we are only selecting a few people to work with our coaches who have been personally hand picked and mentored by John Beck himself, so I need you to act right now. Your coach will teach you how to use O.P.M. (other peoples money). FULL OF SH#T!! MORE LIKE MY MONEY!! NEVER EVER GIVE A SALESPERSON YOUR CREDIT CARD NUMBER OVER THE PHONE!! NEVER!! NEVER!! NEVER!! I only wish I'd taken my own advise on that dreadful day four months ago. I SHOULD HAVE IMMEDIATELY KNOWN THAT THIS WAS A SCAM WHEN MIKE EVANS BEGAN PRESSING HARDER AFTER I TOLD HIM THAT I WAS INTERESTED IN RESEARCHING THE COMPANY ON THE INTERNET FIRST, BEFORE I GOT BACK TO HIM THE NEXT DAY WITH A DECISION. LEGITIMATE COMPANIES ARE THE ONES WILLING AND ABLE TO SATISFY ANY AND ALL COMPLAINTS AGAIST THEM. MAKE THIS YOUR ONLY DETERMINING FACTOR WHENEVER DECIDING TO DO BUSINESS WITH A COMPANY. IN FACT, IT'S BEST TO RESEARCH ANY AND ALL COMPANIES BEFORE EVEN DECIDING TO GIVE THEM A CALL. I don't mean to sound like a hypocrite or anything; I'm only reporting the companies' activity to protect everyone from being victimized as I was. Now that I think about it, I feel really ashamed of what has happened to me. From now on we need to make it more challenging for companies to rip people off. Getting back to the dispute battle, which I am presently stuck in, because these schmucks are refusing to let it go. The only reason why the dispute is still alive is because the companies have submitted a copy of the signed contract, which have not been sent to me the entire time I was supposedly being mentored. I have received these two contracts prior to my first scheduled mentoring, which requested my signatures and immediate return. I know that it's partially my fault that I didn't take it upon myself to make copies of them on my own, but still they are the ones who breeched it by not living up to any of their claims while at the same time are desperately trying to steal my money. Have I mentioned the time when I called my coach up with a tax related question? My coach's advice to me was H&R Block. YEEEAH!! Mike Evans, the person responsible for selling me this crap in the first place wasn't too thrilled about me contacting my coach with this question and told me that my coach wouldn't know any thing about this service. WHAT!! Shouldn't the coaches know everything about they're company and exactly what services are being offered. I sure think so. Is there anyone out there who may be interested in someday starting their own website? Here's an idea, SUE ONLINE. We all know that it is impossible to sue someone online, but this new public forum would at very least deter all rip-off artists from attempting to drag innocent people behind closed doors where their big shot lawyers are able to ream them. The main purpose of SUE ONLINE would be to protect the innocent and less fortunate. Unlike big companies with bullies for legal advisors that have no problem wasting everyone's time and money by exploiting the lengthy dispute process. SUE ONLINE would just be the name of an online public forum to make sure innocent people are not taken advantage of or even worst robbed. This would be the next best thing to having the media present in a courtroom. The entire world may log in and witness actual court hearings and proceedings. Isn't this a wonderful idea? I HAVE BEEN MADE A FOOL OF, SO THAT HOPEFULLY THOUSANDS OF OTHERS WON'T BE. I SINCERELY HOPE THAT EACH AND EVERY ONE OF YOU WILL LEARN THROUGH THE MISTAKES THAT I HAVE MADE. IF SOMETHING SOUNDS TOO GOOD TO BE TRUE, IT DEFINETELY IS. It doesn't bother me much anymore, for it seems this may very well be a blessing in disguise. Hopefully, it will take a lot more for companies that wish to sell the trash they call mentoring than a deceiving and misleading infomercial that's full of crap. DON'T BELIEVE ANYTHING THAT YOU SEE ON INFOMERCIALS. THERE IS A d**n GOOD REASON WHY MANY COMPANIES FIND IT NECESSARY TO MARKET THEIR PRODUCTS AND OR SERVICES THROUGH PAID INFOMERCIALS. THERES ALWAYS A CATCH!! ALWAYS!! Anyways, until next time thanks again, take care everyone, Aloha from Hawaii and God Bless. P.S. DON'T ALLOW THESE COMPANIES THAT ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR RIPPING HUNDREDS IF NOT THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE OFF TO FOOL YOU INTO THINKING THAT THEIR TEMPORARY SILENCE, ABSENCE OF INFOMERCIAL AIRING AND THE SLOWING OF APPEARANCES ON RIP-OFF REPORT IS DUE TO GOOD BEHAVIOR. THEY'RE PROBABLY COOKING UP SOME OTHER BULLS#IT RIGHT NOW AS YOU ARE READING THIS REPORT. BUT DON'T WORRY, BECAUSE AS I ALWAYS PROMISE, I WILL KEEP YOU POSTED ON THEIR WHEREABOUTS AND CONTINUE TO MONITOR THEIR ACTIONS ALONG WITH EVERY MOVE UNTIL THE DAY I'M BURIED SIX FEET UNDERGROUND. WHAT PROVES A COMPANY'S GENUINE INTEREST IN PEOPLES SUCCESS FAR MORE THAN A PAID INFOMERCIAL IS THEIR WILLINGNESS TO ADMIT FAULT AND RECTIFY AND SATISY ANY AND ALL COMPLAINTS. THIS COMPANY HAS NOT RECTIFIED AND OR SATISFIED EVEN ONE. UNTIL THESE COMPANIES STARTS TO TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR DOING SO, THEIR ENTIRE PROGRAM REMAINS A SCAM. SO LET'S ALL SPREAD THE WORD REGARDING THESE COMPANIES TO EVERY SINGLE PERSON THAT YOU TALK TO DAILY. LET'S SPREAD IT LIKE WILDFIRE THROUGH THE USE OF THE WORLD'S MOST POWERFUL FORM OF ADVERTISING, WHICH IS WORD OF MOUTH. AND HOPEFULLY ONE SWEET DAY WE MAY ALL BE ABLE TO AUTOMATICALLY ASSOCIATE SO-CALLED REAL ESTATE MENTORING VIA TELEPHONE AS JUST ANOTHER SHADY THING OF THE PAST AND A SCAM JUST AS ENVELOPE STUFFING IS. ANYONE WHO HAD OR IS HAVING A DIFFICULT TIME WITH THESE COMPANIES, MAKE SURE TO POST A RIP-OFF REPORT OF YOUR OWN, IT WON'T COST YOU A PRETTY PENNY AND WILL MAKE IT MUCH EASIER TO PROTECT ANY MORE CONSUMERS FROM BEING HURT BY THESE FRAUDULENT ENTITIES. YOU MAY ALSO SUBMIT A REPORT TO THE NATIONAL FRAUD INFORMATION CENTER @ HTTP://WWW.FRAUD.ORG OR BY CALLING 1 800 422-7128. ALSO FEEL FREE TO CONTACT ME AT ANY TIME THROUGH THE bad business bureau. P.S.S. MAKE SURE TO READ WHAT OTHERS ARE SAYING ABOUT THESE COMPANIES. THERE IS A WEBSITE WHERE A SEASONED VETERAN IN REAL ESTATE INVESTING RATES ALL REAL ESTATE GURUS. THE INFORMATION ON HIS WEBSITE IS VERY INFOMATIVE, BUT MAY BE A LITTLE BIASED AND CONTRADICTIVE IN MANY WAYS, AS YOU WILL FIND THAT MANY OF THE GURUS THAT HE WOULD RECOMMENED HAVE MANY OF THE BAD QUALITIES THAT HE STRONGLY CLAIMS HE'S SO AGAINST. ALSO, DO A GENERAL SEARCH ON INFOMERCIALS AND YOU WILL STUMBLE ACROSS A FEW WEBSITES THAT WILL GIVE YOU THE ENTIRE PICTURE AND HISTORY BEHIND INFOMERCIALS AS WELL AS HOW IT ALL GOT STARTED. THE FLORIDA ATTORNEY GENERAL ALSO HAS SOME VERY INTERESTING INSIGHTS REGARDING INFOMERCIALS. ALSO, BE SURE TO CHECK OUT ALL COMPLAINTS REGARDING INFOMERCIAL PRODUCTS, SERVICES, AND DUBIOUS MONEYMAKING, PIE IN THE SKY, GET RICH QUICK SCHEMES. WWW.INFOMERCIALSCAMS.COM. ALL OF THE INFOMERCIALS SELLING MONEYMAKING PROGRAMS SEEM TO HAVE AT LEAST ONE THING IN COMMON AND THAT IS THEY DON'T CARE ABOUT THE ACCUMULATION OF COMPLAINTS REGARDLESS IF MOST COMPLAINTS ARE VERY SIMILAR IN NATURE IF NOT EXACTLY THE SAME. LIST OF THINGS THAT PROVE THAT THIS WHOLE THING IS NOTHING BUT A SCAM AND WHY THE ENTIRE WORLD SHOULD BOYCOTT ANY AND ALL INFOMERCIALS THAT CLAIM THEY'RE INTERESTED AND ABLE TO HELP PEOPLE ACCUMULATE WEALTH AND OR SUCCESS. 1. JUST LOOK AT HOW MANY COMPLAINTS EACH AND EVERY MONEYMAKING PROGRAM HAS, THE SIMILARITIES IN ALL OF THEM, AND THE SEVERE LACK OF WILLINGNESS TO ADDRESS THEM AND RECTIFY ANY OF THEM. 2. MISLEADING AND VERY DECEIVING INFOMERCIALS: NOTICE HOW ALL-MONEYMAKING INFOMERCIALS NEVER STATE THAT A SUBSTANCIAL INVESTMENT IS REQUIRED IN ORDER TO BENEFIT FROM THEIR PROGRAM? SURE IT'S NOT MANDATORY, BUT IT HAS ACTUALLY BEEN TOLD TO ME DURING THE SALE, ALONG WITH GOD KNOWS HOW MANY OTHER PEOPLE THAT THE PROGRAM BY ITSELF IS VIRTUALLY USELESS WITHOUT SOME KIND OF MENTORING, MERCHANT ACCOUNTS, WEBSITES, ETC, ETC. ISN'T IT STRANGE HOW IT'S NOT NECESSARY FOR THEM TO STATE THIS FACT ON THEIR INFOMERCIALS. INSTEAD THEY DECEIVE EVERYONE WITH TESTIMONIALS, MOST OF THEM PROBABLY FALSE AND MAY VERY WELL BE FROM PAID ACTORS AND OR ACTRESSES. 3. MISREPRESENTATION DURING THE SALES PROCESS: THE PERSON WHO IS ASSIGNED TO SELL YOU ON THE FRAUDULENT AND NON EXISTING OPPORTUNITY IS HIGHLY TRAINED IN MISLEADING, CONNING, JACKING, EXTORTION, ROBBING, COERCION AND HIGH PRESSURE SALES TACTICS, ALONG WITH MANY OTHER UNETHICAL AND UNPROFESSIONAL BUSINESS PRACTICES. THEY ARE SELLING A FRUDULENT AND NON-EXISTING MENTORING PROGRAM THROUGH FALSE AND MISLEADING PRETENCES. YOUR SALESPERSON WILL SAY ANYTHING AND EVERYTHING THAT HE OR SHE THINKS YOU WANT TO HEAR AND ALSO CREATE A FALSE SENSE OF URGENCY IN ORDER TO PURSUADE YOU TO MAKE A QUICK DECISION, THUS PREVENTING YOU FROM CONDUCTING ANY RESEARCH TO FIND THE MANY UNSATISFIED COMPLAINTS AGAINST THEM. THEY ALSO FAIL TO COOPERATE IN ALL EFFORTS TO RESOLVE CONSUMER DISPUTES. BELIEVE ME, THERE ARE MANY MORE CONSUMERS WHO HAVE BEEN RIPPED OFF BY THESE UNSCUPULOUS COMPANIES THAN JUST THE ONES LISTED ON THIS PAGE. IT JUST SO HAPPENS THAT MANY VICTIMS HAVE NOT YET FOUND THERE WAY TO THIS WEBSITE. ONE DAY IN THE VERY NEAR FUTURE THIS SCAM IS GOING PUBLIC. YES THESE GUYS MAY USE WHAT FEW OLD TESTIMONIALS THEY HAVE, BUT CANNOT AND WILL NOT BE ABLE TO JUSTIFY RIPPING OF THE THOUSANDS OF OTHER PEOPLE THAT THEY HAVE. PEOPLE WHO HAVE BEEN CONNED AND TRICKED INTO BUYING THEIR BOGUS NON-EXISTING PROGRAM. AND YES, SOMEONE NEEDS TO BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE, TAKE FULL RESPONSIBILITY AND BE BROUGHT TO JUSTICE FOR PARTICIPATING IN IT'S PROMOTION AND ALSO FOR PERPETUATING THIS VERY BLATANT AND MALICIOUS SCAM. 4. NO REFUNDS: IT'S A TRAP!! A SCAM IN DISGUISE!! ONCE THEY HAVE YOUR CREDIT CARD NUMBER AND YOU DISCOVER THAT THEY ARE TOTALLY UNABLE TO LIVE UP TO ANY OF THEIR CLAIMS, IT WILL BE VERY DIFFICULT TO d**n NEAR IMPOSSIBLE FOR YOU TO GET A REFUND. THESE BASTARDS HIDE BEHIND THEIR NO REFUND POLICY. THE OFFER IS FRAUDULENT AND THIS IS THE VERY REASON WHY THEY'VE IMPLEMENTED A NO REFUND POLICY IN THE FIRST PLACE, REGARDLESS IF THEY TELL YOU OTHERWISE. AGAIN, THEY ARE WILLING TO TELL YOU WHATEVER IT IS YOU WANT TO HEAR TO CAPTURE YOUR CREDIT CARD NUMBER AND HOLD IT HOSTAGE IN HOPES TO WIN YOU OVER IN THE LONG AND GRUELING DISPUTE BATTLE. ANOTHER TIP THAT PROVES THIS IS JUST ANOTHER BUT A BAIT AND SWITCH TRAP IS THE FACT THAT THESE COMPANIES ARE VERY QUICK TO TAPE RECORD THE AGREEMENT TO PURCHASE, BUT THEY DON'T TAPE RECORD ANY OF THEIR LIES AND BOGUS SALES PITCHES. IT HAS NOW BEEN OVER FOUR MONTHS SINCE I FIRST DISPUTED THE QUALITY OF SERVICES (DECEPTIVE TRADE) AND SO FAR THESE CROOKS HAVE BEEN UNABLE TO FURNISH ANYTHING EVEN PARTIALLY RELEVANT TO MY CLAIMS. WHILE I AM SUBMITTING 20-30 PAGES OF RIP-OFF REPORT AFTER RIP-OFF REPORT, THESE JACKASSES ARE SUBMITTING ITEMS THAT HAVE ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO WITH MY DISPUTE, FOR IF YOU'LL NOTICE IN ALL OF MY PREVIOUS REPORTS, I HAVE NOT ONCE DENIED ORDERING THEIR SCAM. WHAT THEY ARE DOING NOW IS ONLY HELPING ME PROVE MY POINT THAT THEIR PROGAM IS NOTHING BUT A TRAP AND A SCAM. THIS PROGRAM IS NOTHING MORE THAN A WELL-ORCHESTRATED SCHEME THAT INVOLVES EXTORTION BY COMPANIES ENGAGING IN ORGANIZED CRIME. 5. BAD CUSTOMER SERVICE: THE CUSTOMER SERVICE IS HORRIBLE. THE PEOPLE WHO WORK FOR THESE COMPANIES ARE OFTEN VERY RUDE, UNPROFESSIONAL AND ENJOY NOTHING MORE THAN GIVING YOU THE RUN AROUND. YOUR COACH SOMETIMES TAKES FRIGGGIN HOURS JUST TO RETURN YOUR CALL. THERE'S EVEN COMPLAINTS ABOUT PEOPLE BEING HUNG UP ON WHEN THE PRESSURE GOT TO MUCH FOR THE UNPROFESSIONALS. I'VE BEEN HUNG UP ON MYSELF SEVERAL TIMES. 6. EXTORTION: I CANNOT EMPHASIZE ENOUGH, THE IMPORTANCE OF NOT SUPPLYING YOUR CREDIT CARD INFORMATION TO THESE THUGS. I AM NOT SAY THIS FOR MY OWN SELFISH REASONS, FOR I AM WELL BEYOND JUST A REFUND AT THIS POINT. THIS IS A TRAP!! THESE BOGUS MENTORING SERVICES ARE JUST ELABORATE SCHEMES TO FISH IN AS MANY UNSUSPECTING VICTIMS AS THEY POSSIBLY CAN. THEIR PRIMARY OBJECTIVE IS TO ACCUMULATE AS MANY CREDIT CARD NUMBERS AS POSSIBLE AND TAKE AS MANY PEOPLE AS THEY POSSIBLY CAN ON THE JOURNEY OF A LIFETIME, BECAUSE THEY ARE WELL AWARE OF THE FACT THAT MANY PEOPLE CANNOT AFFORD TO (TIMEWISE AND FINANCIALLY) CHASE AFTER THEY'RE HARD EARNED MONEY AND WILL EVENTUALLY BOW OUT AND JUST EAT THEIR LOSSES. DURING MY CONVERSATION WITH MIKE EVANS REGARDING A REFUND AND IN WHICH HE THREATENED TO SUE ME, MIKE EVANS WAS REALLY QUICK TO JUMP THE GUN IN ASSUMING THAT I HAVE CLAIMED FRAUD AGAINST HIS COMPANY. NOW WHY IN THE WORLD WOULD ANY LEGITIMATE COMPANY OR BUSINESS WHO HAS NOTHING TO HIDE ASSUME THIS?? SCAM!! TILL THIS DAY THESE COMPANIES HAVE CONTINUED TO SUBMIT RIDICULOUS ITEMS IN THEIR DEFENSE TO MY DISPUTE, SUCH AS INVOICES, RECEIPTS, CONTRACTS, ETC, ETC, ALL WHICH HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH THE REASON FOR MY DISPUTE, ITEMS THAT PROVE ABSOLUTELY NOTHING, FOR I HAVE NOT ONCE DENIED ENROLLING IN THEIR PROGRAM IN ANY OF MY PREVIOUS REPORTS. THE FACT THAT THEY HAVE NOT ONCE FURNISHED ANYTHING EVEN PARTIALLY RELEVANT TO MY CLAIMS AND ACTUALLY HAVING IT PASS AS LEGITIMATE COUNTERS, ONLY PROVES THEIR DESPERATION AND BLATANT INTENT TO RIP PEOPLE OFF. I HONESTLY AND WHOLEHEARTEDY BELIVE THAT THERE'S A REASON FOR EVERYTHING IN LIFEAND I FEEL THAT I HAVE BEEN RIPPED OFF SO THAT HUNDREDS OR EVEN THOUSANDS OF OTHERS WILL NOT BE IN THE FUTURE. SO UNTIL THE DAY YOU SEE ALL THE COMPLAINTS BEING ACKNOWLEGED AND RESOLVED, I STRONGLY SUGGEST THAT EVERYONE AVOID ANY AND ALL MONEYMAKING PROGRAMS THAT CLAIM THE ABILITY TO MENTOR YOU TO SUCCESS. THEY'RE ALL-ENGAGING IN DECEPTIVE TRADE (BAIT AND SWITCH) AND ARE PREYING ON INNOCENT PEOPLE WHO ARE JUST TRYING TO MAKE ENDS MEET. THESE GUYS DON'T CARE ABOUT WHO THEY RIP OFF. REAL ESTATE IS A VERY COMPLEX SUBJECT THAT HAS MANY DIFFERENT LAWS GOVERNING IT. AFTER BROWSING AND SKIMMING THROUGH A FEW BOOKS AT BORDERS BOOKS I FINALLY CAME TO MY SENSES IN THAT BEGINNER COULD NOT POSSIBLY LEARN ALL THE PERTINENT INFORMATION INCLUDING ALL THE LEGALITIES REGARDING REAL ESTATE IN ONLY TEN TELEPHONE CONVERSATIONS, ALL WHICH LASTS NO MORE THAN TEN-FIFTEEN MINUTES EACH. I THOUGHT I'D NEVER LIVE TO SEE THE DAY WHEN THE AMOUNT OF SCAMS THAT EXISTED FAR EXCEEDED THE NUMBER OF LEGITIMATE BUSINESSES. YOU KNOW, ALL OF THE FRAUDULENT OFFERS THAT ARE FEATURED ON INFOMERCIALS, FLOOD OUR MAILBOXES, ADVERTISED IN NEWSPAPER CLASSIFIED ADS, MAGAZINES, ETC, ETC. ALL BUSINESSES THAT REQUIRE A FEE OVER AND BEYOND THE COST OF THE MATERIALS IS A FLAT OUT SCAM. IT DOESN'T MATTER HOW A COMPANY DECIDES TO DISGUISE AND EXPLAIN THE REASON FOR A FEE. WHEN WAS THE LAST TIME THAT YOU PAID AN EMPLOYER TO BE ON THE COMPANY'S PAYROLL? YOU'D BE WORKING FOR THEM!! SCAM!! SCAM!! SCAM!! SCAM!! THE FRAUDULENT COMPANIES THAT DO CHARGE FEES OVER AND BEYOND THE COST OF THEIR CRAP ARE ONLY IN THE BUSINESS OF SELLING USELESS INFORMATION. IF YOU ONLY REMEMBER ONE THING FROM ANY OF MY REPORTS AND UPDATES REMEMBER THAT TELEPHONE MENTORING, LIKE ENVELOPE STUFFING, DOES NOT EXIST AND EVEN IF IT DID, IT WOULD BE IMPOSSIBLE FOR A BEGINNER TO OBTAIN ALL THE PERTINENT LAWS GOVERNING REAL ESTATE AND ALSO ALL OF THE PERTINENT POLICIES AND PROCEDURES IN ONLY TEN SESSIONS WHICH LASTS NO MORE THAN TEN-FIFTEEN MINUTES EACH. ALSO, COMPANIES AND SO CALLED GURUS WOULD HAVE NOTHING TO GAIN AND MUCH TO LOSE BY MENTORING OTHERS TO USE THEIR STRATEGIES IN THE FIRST PLACE. ONE LAST THING THAT I'D LIKE TO BRING TO THE WORLDS ATTENTION IS THE FACT THAT IN EVERY REPORT FILED AGAINST THESE FRAUDULENT COMPANIES YOU'LL NOTICE THAT THE INVESTMENTS VARY. SHAAADY!! IF THERE EVER WAS A LEGITIMATE PROGRAM THAT WAS BEING OFFERED BY A LEGITIMATE GURU THAT REALLY HAD THE POTENTIAL TO EARN SOMEONE $10,000.00-$15,000.00 A MONTH, IT WOULD COST FAR MORE THAN $6,400.00 AND WOULD DEFINETELY NOT BE NEGOTIABLE. THE FACT THAT THE INVESTMENT IS NEGOTIABLE ALONE PROVES THAT THE SCUMBAGS THAT PARTICIPATE IN THE PROMOTION OF THIS SCAM ARE ONLY INTERESTED IN GETTING THE MOST POSSIBLE OUT OF AS MANY PEOPLE AS THEY POSSIBLY CAN. TO ADD INSULT TO INJURY, THESE CON ARTISTS MAKE YOU THE VICTIM, THE REASON FOR FAILING MISERABLY. JUST AS YOU HAVE ALWAYS SUSPECTED! The only ones getting rich from all these business opportunities are the companies offering them! UNTIL NEXT TIME TAKE CARE EVERYONE, ALOHA FROM HAWAII AND GOD BLESS.

Hey Everyone, Today's date is Saturday March 20, 2004. I hope that this update finds each and every one of you in good spirit and health. It is I once again, just updating my rip-off report while keeping you posted on exactly what's going on, just as I have promised. First things first, let's see, ten complaints and not a single rebuttal, by a single person, employee, associate, or affiliate from anyone of the companies responsible for ripping everyone off. Not even one single person has come forward to defend the companies responsible for ripping off hundreds or possibly even thousands of people. This is as arrogant as you can get. But the real reason why no employee from any one of the companies will come forward to defend him or herself is, because there are far too many reports with striking similarities in them and it's not just mere coincidence. This fact alone should automatically tell the general public what kind of company they are, just like many other so called real estate gurus claiming to be selling the same kind of bogus real estate mentoring. Keep in mine folks that the so-called John Beck's mentoring institute has a NO REFUND policy and there is a d**n good reason why. Isn't it strange how every complaint on this site, as well as other sites regarding this company have many striking similarities and much in common? The only reason why these companies have implemented a NO REFUND policy is simple. IT'S A TRAP!! YES ONCE AGAIN LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, IT'S A TRAP!! Once you realize that you have invested several thousands of dollars into a service, which is non-existent, you will find that it is near impossible to get a refund. IT'S AN UPHILL BATTLE ALL THE WAY!! These companies will play ping-pong with you and your money in the dispute process and will make every attempt to get you on a technicality to steal your money. Right now they are continuously submitting ridiculous things to try to counter my dispute such as documents and contracts that have absolutely nothing to do with why I've disputed their service in LOT OF TIME AND MONEY IN PRINTING AND MAILING COSTS BY HAVING TO CONSTATLY COUNTER THEIR RIDICULOUS COUNTER CLAIMS, JUST AS I KNEW THEY WOULD, THESE BASTARDS ARE CONSTANTLY SUBMITTING ONLY ONE TO PAGE DOCUMENTS WHICH IS TOTALLY IRRELEVANT AND HAS NOTHING TO DO TO WITH THE REASON WHY I DISPUTED THEIR SERVICE IN THE FIRST PLACE. I HAVE NOT ONCE DENIED ORDERING THEIR CRAP IN ANY OF MY PREVIOUS REPORTS. SO BY THEM SUBMITTING ITEMS THAT DON'T EVEN PERTAIN TO MY DISPUTE SHOWS THE ENTIRE WORLD THAT THEY ARE DESPERATELY TRYING TO RIP MYSELF OFF ALONG WITH GOD KNOWS HOW MANY OTHER PEOPLE. THE SCAM LIES IN THE NON-EXISTANT DREAM THAT THEY ARE SELLING UNDER FALSE PRETENCES ALONG WITH ALL THE TRAPS THAT THEY HAVE SET. This is what the salespeople mean by using O.P.M. (other peoples money) YOUR MONEY!! So far they have submitted copies of our signed contract and agreement, receipts and invoices, letters, etc etc. which is all irrelevant to my dispute, because what it all boils down to is the fact that these companies HAVE NOT LIVED UP TO ANY OF THERE CLAIMS. All that they are trying to do now is drag this thing on for as long as it takes in hopes that I bow out of the situation. THEIR WHOLE PROGRAM IS A SCAM!! EVERYTHING FROM THEIR DECEPTIVE INFOMERCIAL TO THE COMPANIES INVOLVED WITH RIPPING HUNDREDS OR EVEN THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE OFF. EVERY COMPANY RECEIVES COMPLAINTS IN SOME WAY SHAPE OR FORM, BUT HOW THEY HANDLE THOSE COMPLAINTS IS WHAT SEPARATES ALL LEGITIMATE BUSINESSES FROM ALL MONEYMAKING SCAMS. THESE COMPANIES AND IT'S EMPLOYEES HAVE NOT EVEN ADDRESSED ONE OF THE COMPLAINTS POSTED ON THIS WEBSITE AND A FEW OTHER WEBSITES. SO WHAT DOES THAT TELL YOU? THESE POMPOUS AND ARROGANT SONS OF BI#CHES HAVE NOT SUBMITTED ONE REBUTTAL TO DEFEND THEMSELVES. THIS IS BECAUSE THEY CHOOSE TO HIDE BEHIND ANY LOOPHOLES IN THE LAW AND FINE PRINT OF OUR CREDIT CARDS AND USE IT ON THEIR BEHALF AND AS A WEAPON AGAINST YOU. THIS IS NOTHING SHORT OF EXTORTION. I am currently in a dispute battle with these thugs and let me tell you, WHEW!! It's a living hell. I'm not going to lie, I haven't returned their materials until just recently, but there is a really good reason why. To tell you the truth, I don't trust anyone at these companies from their receptionists, to their salespeople, to their so-called mentors. If you've done business with these thugs yourself you'd know exactly what I'm talking about. All the materials that I have received have come from different addresses and every time I tried contacting someone at any one of the numbers in my possession; I would get the runaround or hung up on. I cannot believe the arrogance of the employees at these companies responsible for ripping off numerous people. I cannot believe they actually have the audacity to stand me up along with everyone else, even though all the rip-off reports filed against them are as unfavorable as they can possibly be. Not to mention on a website that very easily draws one-two million visitors a day. How dare they stand up the bad business bureau? One of only a few organizations in existence that freely helps victims get relief from crooked businesses, and also make public thousands of reports that literally saves thousands of people if not millions from making the same mistake. Oh yeah, as I have mentioned in my previous report, one week has already gone by and I have yet to hear from anyone responsible for selling me this crap, so it is now imperative that I double my request for compensation by $31,900.00 while adding the additional ($1,500,00 x 5 weeks for no response = $7,500.00) TOTAL: $71,300.00 just as I have promised in my previous update, for it has become necessary to prove that I am dead serious about my campaign for justice. My next step will be to instruct the bad business bureau to include the companies that are responsible for ripping everyone off on their mass mailing campaign. There's enormous strength in numbers and every victim must come forward and relentlessly pursue their money if we are to force any changes, get monetarily reimbursed or at very least warn and protect the rest of the general public. THE PUBLIC HAS A RIGHT TO KNOW!! So in a nutshell, until the day all of your family, friends, neighbors, co-workers, acquaintances, etc. are ranting and raving about their new found fortune, I strongly suggest that you second guess all so-called real estate gurus who claim to have the ability to mentor you to success. Even if they did, which in most cases do not, they would have absolutely nothing to gain and much to lose by mentoring complete strangers to do the same. It would also be near impossible for them to hire and retain employees, for their employees would want to participate in the program themselves. DON'T ORDER PROGRAM AND IF YOU ALREADY HAVE, RETURN IT AS SOON AS POSSIBLE AND REQUEST AN IMMEDIATE REFUND. NEVER EVER GIVE A SALESPERSON YOUR CREDIT CARD NUMBER OVER THE PHONE, ESPECIALLY IF THE COMPANY IS INFOMERCIAL RELATED. RESEARCH ANY AND ALL COMPANIES THOROUGHLY BEFORE MAKING A DECISION WHETHER TO CONDUCT BUSINESS WITH THEM OR NOT. MANY TIMES COMPANIES ARE DESPERATE AND THEY CREATE AN IMPRESSION OF URGENCY. THEY DO THIS SO THAT WOULD BE VICTIMS WOULDN'T HAVE ANY TIME TO RESEARCH THEIR COMPANY IN ANY WAY. At the time that Mike Evans sold me on this garbage they call mentoring, he seemed really adamant, determined and d**n near desperate to get my credit card number. I finally gave in because of the fact that Mike Evans told me everything it was I wanted to hear. I was also in a tremendous rush to leave for work at the time and Mike Evans being the salesperson that he is, created a sense of urgency by saying we are only selecting a few people to work with our coaches who have been personally hand picked and mentored by John Beck himself, so I need you to act right now. Your coach will teach you how to use O.P.M. (other peoples money). FULL OF SH#T!! MORE LIKE MY MONEY!! NEVER EVER GIVE A SALESPERSON YOUR CREDIT CARD NUMBER OVER THE PHONE!! NEVER!! NEVER!! NEVER!! I only wish I'd taken my own advise on that dreadful day four months ago. I SHOULD HAVE IMMEDIATELY KNOWN THAT THIS WAS A SCAM WHEN MIKE EVANS BEGAN PRESSING HARDER AFTER I TOLD HIM THAT I WAS INTERESTED IN RESEARCHING THE COMPANY ON THE INTERNET FIRST, BEFORE I GOT BACK TO HIM THE NEXT DAY WITH A DECISION. LEGITIMATE COMPANIES ARE THE ONES WILLING AND ABLE TO SATISFY ANY AND ALL COMPLAINTS AGAIST THEM. MAKE THIS YOUR ONLY DETERMINING FACTOR WHENEVER DECIDING TO DO BUSINESS WITH A COMPANY. IN FACT, IT'S BEST TO RESEARCH ANY AND ALL COMPANIES BEFORE EVEN DECIDING TO GIVE THEM A CALL. I don't mean to sound like a hypocrite or anything; I'm only reporting the companies' activity to protect everyone from being victimized as I was. Now that I think about it, I feel really ashamed of what has happened to me. From now on we need to make it more challenging for companies to rip people off. Getting back to the dispute battle, which I am presently stuck in, because these schmucks are refusing to let it go. The only reason why the dispute is still alive is because the companies have submitted a copy of the signed contract, which have not been sent to me the entire time I was supposedly being mentored. I have received these two contracts prior to my first scheduled mentoring, which requested my signatures and immediate return. I know that it's partially my fault that I didn't take it upon myself to make copies of them on my own, but still they are the ones who breeched it by not living up to any of their claims while at the same time are desperately trying to steal my money. Have I mentioned the time when I called my coach up with a tax related question? My coach's advice to me was H&R Block. YEEEAH!! Mike Evans, the person responsible for selling me this crap in the first place wasn't too thrilled about me contacting my coach with this question and told me that my coach wouldn't know any thing about this service. WHAT!! Shouldn't the coaches know everything about they're company and exactly what services are being offered. I sure think so. Is there anyone out there who may be interested in someday starting their own website? Here's an idea, SUE ONLINE. We all know that it is impossible to sue someone online, but this new public forum would at very least deter all rip-off artists from attempting to drag innocent people behind closed doors where their big shot lawyers are able to ream them. The main purpose of SUE ONLINE would be to protect the innocent and less fortunate. Unlike big companies with bullies for legal advisors that have no problem wasting everyone's time and money by exploiting the lengthy dispute process. SUE ONLINE would just be the name of an online public forum to make sure innocent people are not taken advantage of or even worst robbed. This would be the next best thing to having the media present in a courtroom. The entire world may log in and witness actual court hearings and proceedings. Isn't this a wonderful idea? I HAVE BEEN MADE A FOOL OF, SO THAT HOPEFULLY THOUSANDS OF OTHERS WON'T BE. I SINCERELY HOPE THAT EACH AND EVERY ONE OF YOU WILL LEARN THROUGH THE MISTAKES THAT I HAVE MADE. IF SOMETHING SOUNDS TOO GOOD TO BE TRUE, IT DEFINETELY IS. It doesn't bother me much anymore, for it seems this may very well be a blessing in disguise. Hopefully, it will take a lot more for companies that wish to sell the trash they call mentoring than a deceiving and misleading infomercial that's full of crap. DON'T BELIEVE ANYTHING THAT YOU SEE ON INFOMERCIALS. THERE IS A d**n GOOD REASON WHY MANY COMPANIES FIND IT NECESSARY TO MARKET THEIR PRODUCTS AND OR SERVICES THROUGH PAID INFOMERCIALS. THERES ALWAYS A CATCH!! ALWAYS!! Anyways, until next time thanks again, take care everyone, Aloha from Hawaii and God Bless. P.S. DON'T ALLOW THESE COMPANIES THAT ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR RIPPING HUNDREDS IF NOT THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE OFF TO FOOL YOU INTO THINKING THAT THEIR TEMPORARY SILENCE, ABSENCE OF INFOMERCIAL AIRING AND THE SLOWING OF APPEARANCES ON RIP-OFF REPORT IS DUE TO GOOD BEHAVIOR. THEY'RE PROBABLY COOKING UP SOME OTHER BULLS#IT RIGHT NOW AS YOU ARE READING THIS REPORT. BUT DON'T WORRY, BECAUSE AS I ALWAYS PROMISE, I WILL KEEP YOU POSTED ON THEIR WHEREABOUTS AND CONTINUE TO MONITOR THEIR ACTIONS ALONG WITH EVERY MOVE UNTIL THE DAY I'M BURIED SIX FEET UNDERGROUND. WHAT PROVES A COMPANY'S GENUINE INTEREST IN PEOPLES SUCCESS FAR MORE THAN A PAID INFOMERCIAL IS THEIR WILLINGNESS TO ADMIT FAULT AND RECTIFY AND SATISY ANY AND ALL COMPLAINTS. THIS COMPANY HAS NOT RECTIFIED AND OR SATISFIED EVEN ONE. UNTIL THESE COMPANIES STARTS TO TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR DOING SO, THEIR ENTIRE PROGRAM REMAINS A SCAM. SO LET'S ALL SPREAD THE WORD REGARDING THESE COMPANIES TO EVERY SINGLE PERSON THAT YOU TALK TO DAILY. LET'S SPREAD IT LIKE WILDFIRE THROUGH THE USE OF THE WORLD'S MOST POWERFUL FORM OF ADVERTISING, WHICH IS WORD OF MOUTH. AND HOPEFULLY ONE SWEET DAY WE MAY ALL BE ABLE TO AUTOMATICALLY ASSOCIATE SO-CALLED REAL ESTATE MENTORING VIA TELEPHONE AS JUST ANOTHER SHADY THING OF THE PAST AND A SCAM JUST AS ENVELOPE STUFFING IS. ANYONE WHO HAD OR IS HAVING A DIFFICULT TIME WITH THESE COMPANIES, MAKE SURE TO POST A RIP-OFF REPORT OF YOUR OWN, IT WON'T COST YOU A PRETTY PENNY AND WILL MAKE IT MUCH EASIER TO PROTECT ANY MORE CONSUMERS FROM BEING HURT BY THESE FRAUDULENT ENTITIES. YOU MAY ALSO SUBMIT A REPORT TO THE NATIONAL FRAUD INFORMATION CENTER @ HTTP://WWW.FRAUD.ORG OR BY CALLING 1 800 422-7128. ALSO FEEL FREE TO CONTACT ME AT ANY TIME THROUGH THE bad business bureau. P.S.S. MAKE SURE TO READ WHAT OTHERS ARE SAYING ABOUT THESE COMPANIES. THERE IS A WEBSITE WHERE A SEASONED VETERAN IN REAL ESTATE INVESTING RATES ALL REAL ESTATE GURUS. THE INFORMATION ON HIS WEBSITE IS VERY INFOMATIVE, BUT MAY BE A LITTLE BIASED AND CONTRADICTIVE IN MANY WAYS, AS YOU WILL FIND THAT MANY OF THE GURUS THAT HE WOULD RECOMMENED HAVE MANY OF THE BAD QUALITIES THAT HE STRONGLY CLAIMS HE'S SO AGAINST. ALSO, DO A GENERAL SEARCH ON INFOMERCIALS AND YOU WILL STUMBLE ACROSS A FEW WEBSITES THAT WILL GIVE YOU THE ENTIRE PICTURE AND HISTORY BEHIND INFOMERCIALS AS WELL AS HOW IT ALL GOT STARTED. THE FLORIDA ATTORNEY GENERAL ALSO HAS SOME VERY INTERESTING INSIGHTS REGARDING INFOMERCIALS. ALSO, BE SURE TO CHECK OUT ALL COMPLAINTS REGARDING INFOMERCIAL PRODUCTS, SERVICES, AND DUBIOUS MONEYMAKING, PIE IN THE SKY, GET RICH QUICK SCHEMES. WWW.INFOMERCIALSCAMS.COM. ALL OF THE INFOMERCIALS SELLING MONEYMAKING PROGRAMS SEEM TO HAVE AT LEAST ONE THING IN COMMON AND THAT IS THEY DON'T CARE ABOUT THE ACCUMULATION OF COMPLAINTS REGARDLESS IF MOST COMPLAINTS ARE VERY SIMILAR IN NATURE IF NOT EXACTLY THE SAME. LIST OF THINGS THAT PROVE THAT THIS WHOLE THING IS NOTHING BUT A SCAM AND WHY THE ENTIRE WORLD SHOULD BOYCOTT ANY AND ALL INFOMERCIALS THAT CLAIM THEY'RE INTERESTED AND ABLE TO HELP PEOPLE ACCUMULATE WEALTH AND OR SUCCESS. 1. JUST LOOK AT HOW MANY COMPLAINTS EACH AND EVERY MONEYMAKING PROGRAM HAS, THE SIMILARITIES IN ALL OF THEM, AND THE SEVERE LACK OF WILLINGNESS TO ADDRESS THEM AND RECTIFY ANY OF THEM. 2. MISLEADING AND VERY DECEIVING INFOMERCIALS: NOTICE HOW ALL-MONEYMAKING INFOMERCIALS NEVER STATE THAT A SUBSTANCIAL INVESTMENT IS REQUIRED IN ORDER TO BENEFIT FROM THEIR PROGRAM? SURE IT'S NOT MANDATORY, BUT IT HAS ACTUALLY BEEN TOLD TO ME DURING THE SALE, ALONG WITH GOD KNOWS HOW MANY OTHER PEOPLE THAT THE PROGRAM BY ITSELF IS VIRTUALLY USELESS WITHOUT SOME KIND OF MENTORING, MERCHANT ACCOUNTS, WEBSITES, ETC, ETC. ISN'T IT STRANGE HOW IT'S NOT NECESSARY FOR THEM TO STATE THIS FACT ON THEIR INFOMERCIALS. INSTEAD THEY DECEIVE EVERYONE WITH TESTIMONIALS, MOST OF THEM PROBABLY FALSE AND MAY VERY WELL BE FROM PAID ACTORS AND OR ACTRESSES. 3. MISREPRESENTATION DURING THE SALES PROCESS: THE PERSON WHO IS ASSIGNED TO SELL YOU ON THE FRAUDULENT AND NON EXISTING OPPORTUNITY IS HIGHLY TRAINED IN MISLEADING, CONNING, JACKING, EXTORTION, ROBBING, COERCION AND HIGH PRESSURE SALES TACTICS, ALONG WITH MANY OTHER UNETHICAL AND UNPROFESSIONAL BUSINESS PRACTICES. THEY ARE SELLING A FRUDULENT AND NON-EXISTING MENTORING PROGRAM THROUGH FALSE AND MISLEADING PRETENCES. YOUR SALESPERSON WILL SAY ANYTHING AND EVERYTHING THAT HE OR SHE THINKS YOU WANT TO HEAR AND ALSO CREATE A FALSE SENSE OF URGENCY IN ORDER TO PURSUADE YOU TO MAKE A QUICK DECISION, THUS PREVENTING YOU FROM CONDUCTING ANY RESEARCH TO FIND THE MANY UNSATISFIED COMPLAINTS AGAINST THEM. THEY ALSO FAIL TO COOPERATE IN ALL EFFORTS TO RESOLVE CONSUMER DISPUTES. BELIEVE ME, THERE ARE MANY MORE CONSUMERS WHO HAVE BEEN RIPPED OFF BY THESE UNSCUPULOUS COMPANIES THAN JUST THE ONES LISTED ON THIS PAGE. IT JUST SO HAPPENS THAT MANY VICTIMS HAVE NOT YET FOUND THERE WAY TO THIS WEBSITE. ONE DAY IN THE VERY NEAR FUTURE THIS SCAM IS GOING PUBLIC. YES THESE GUYS MAY USE WHAT FEW OLD TESTIMONIALS THEY HAVE, BUT CANNOT AND WILL NOT BE ABLE TO JUSTIFY RIPPING OF THE THOUSANDS OF OTHER PEOPLE THAT THEY HAVE. PEOPLE WHO HAVE BEEN CONNED AND TRICKED INTO BUYING THEIR BOGUS NON-EXISTING PROGRAM. AND YES, SOMEONE NEEDS TO BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE, TAKE FULL RESPONSIBILITY AND BE BROUGHT TO JUSTICE FOR PARTICIPATING IN IT'S PROMOTION AND ALSO FOR PERPETUATING THIS VERY BLATANT AND MALICIOUS SCAM. 4. NO REFUNDS: IT'S A TRAP!! A SCAM IN DISGUISE!! ONCE THEY HAVE YOUR CREDIT CARD NUMBER AND YOU DISCOVER THAT THEY ARE TOTALLY UNABLE TO LIVE UP TO ANY OF THEIR CLAIMS, IT WILL BE VERY DIFFICULT TO d**n NEAR IMPOSSIBLE FOR YOU TO GET A REFUND. THESE BASTARDS HIDE BEHIND THEIR NO REFUND POLICY. THE OFFER IS FRAUDULENT AND THIS IS THE VERY REASON WHY THEY'VE IMPLEMENTED A NO REFUND POLICY IN THE FIRST PLACE, REGARDLESS IF THEY TELL YOU OTHERWISE. AGAIN, THEY ARE WILLING TO TELL YOU WHATEVER IT IS YOU WANT TO HEAR TO CAPTURE YOUR CREDIT CARD NUMBER AND HOLD IT HOSTAGE IN HOPES TO WIN YOU OVER IN THE LONG AND GRUELING DISPUTE BATTLE. ANOTHER TIP THAT PROVES THIS IS JUST ANOTHER BUT A BAIT AND SWITCH TRAP IS THE FACT THAT THESE COMPANIES ARE VERY QUICK TO TAPE RECORD THE AGREEMENT TO PURCHASE, BUT THEY DON'T TAPE RECORD ANY OF THEIR LIES AND BOGUS SALES PITCHES. IT HAS NOW BEEN OVER FOUR MONTHS SINCE I FIRST DISPUTED THE QUALITY OF SERVICES (DECEPTIVE TRADE) AND SO FAR THESE CROOKS HAVE BEEN UNABLE TO FURNISH ANYTHING EVEN PARTIALLY RELEVANT TO MY CLAIMS. WHILE I AM SUBMITTING 20-30 PAGES OF RIP-OFF REPORT AFTER RIP-OFF REPORT, THESE JACKASSES ARE SUBMITTING ITEMS THAT HAVE ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO WITH MY DISPUTE, FOR IF YOU'LL NOTICE IN ALL OF MY PREVIOUS REPORTS, I HAVE NOT ONCE DENIED ORDERING THEIR SCAM. WHAT THEY ARE DOING NOW IS ONLY HELPING ME PROVE MY POINT THAT THEIR PROGAM IS NOTHING BUT A TRAP AND A SCAM. THIS PROGRAM IS NOTHING MORE THAN A WELL-ORCHESTRATED SCHEME THAT INVOLVES EXTORTION BY COMPANIES ENGAGING IN ORGANIZED CRIME. 5. BAD CUSTOMER SERVICE: THE CUSTOMER SERVICE IS HORRIBLE. THE PEOPLE WHO WORK FOR THESE COMPANIES ARE OFTEN VERY RUDE, UNPROFESSIONAL AND ENJOY NOTHING MORE THAN GIVING YOU THE RUN AROUND. YOUR COACH SOMETIMES TAKES FRIGGGIN HOURS JUST TO RETURN YOUR CALL. THERE'S EVEN COMPLAINTS ABOUT PEOPLE BEING HUNG UP ON WHEN THE PRESSURE GOT TO MUCH FOR THE UNPROFESSIONALS. I'VE BEEN HUNG UP ON MYSELF SEVERAL TIMES. 6. EXTORTION: I CANNOT EMPHASIZE ENOUGH, THE IMPORTANCE OF NOT SUPPLYING YOUR CREDIT CARD INFORMATION TO THESE THUGS. I AM NOT SAY THIS FOR MY OWN SELFISH REASONS, FOR I AM WELL BEYOND JUST A REFUND AT THIS POINT. THIS IS A TRAP!! THESE BOGUS MENTORING SERVICES ARE JUST ELABORATE SCHEMES TO FISH IN AS MANY UNSUSPECTING VICTIMS AS THEY POSSIBLY CAN. THEIR PRIMARY OBJECTIVE IS TO ACCUMULATE AS MANY CREDIT CARD NUMBERS AS POSSIBLE AND TAKE AS MANY PEOPLE AS THEY POSSIBLY CAN ON THE JOURNEY OF A LIFETIME, BECAUSE THEY ARE WELL AWARE OF THE FACT THAT MANY PEOPLE CANNOT AFFORD TO (TIMEWISE AND FINANCIALLY) CHASE AFTER THEY'RE HARD EARNED MONEY AND WILL EVENTUALLY BOW OUT AND JUST EAT THEIR LOSSES. DURING MY CONVERSATION WITH MIKE EVANS REGARDING A REFUND AND IN WHICH HE THREATENED TO SUE ME, MIKE EVANS WAS REALLY QUICK TO JUMP THE GUN IN ASSUMING THAT I HAVE CLAIMED FRAUD AGAINST HIS COMPANY. NOW WHY IN THE WORLD WOULD ANY LEGITIMATE COMPANY OR BUSINESS WHO HAS NOTHING TO HIDE ASSUME THIS?? SCAM!! TILL THIS DAY THESE COMPANIES HAVE CONTINUED TO SUBMIT RIDICULOUS ITEMS IN THEIR DEFENSE TO MY DISPUTE, SUCH AS INVOICES, RECEIPTS, CONTRACTS, ETC, ETC, ALL WHICH HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH THE REASON FOR MY DISPUTE, ITEMS THAT PROVE ABSOLUTELY NOTHING, FOR I HAVE NOT ONCE DENIED ENROLLING IN THEIR PROGRAM IN ANY OF MY PREVIOUS REPORTS. THE FACT THAT THEY HAVE NOT ONCE FURNISHED ANYTHING EVEN PARTIALLY RELEVANT TO MY CLAIMS AND ACTUALLY HAVING IT PASS AS LEGITIMATE COUNTERS, ONLY PROVES THEIR DESPERATION AND BLATANT INTENT TO RIP PEOPLE OFF. I HONESTLY AND WHOLEHEARTEDY BELIVE THAT THERE'S A REASON FOR EVERYTHING IN LIFEAND I FEEL THAT I HAVE BEEN RIPPED OFF SO THAT HUNDREDS OR EVEN THOUSANDS OF OTHERS WILL NOT BE IN THE FUTURE. SO UNTIL THE DAY YOU SEE ALL THE COMPLAINTS BEING ACKNOWLEGED AND RESOLVED, I STRONGLY SUGGEST THAT EVERYONE AVOID ANY AND ALL MONEYMAKING PROGRAMS THAT CLAIM THE ABILITY TO MENTOR YOU TO SUCCESS. THEY'RE ALL-ENGAGING IN DECEPTIVE TRADE (BAIT AND SWITCH) AND ARE PREYING ON INNOCENT PEOPLE WHO ARE JUST TRYING TO MAKE ENDS MEET. THESE GUYS DON'T CARE ABOUT WHO THEY RIP OFF. REAL ESTATE IS A VERY COMPLEX SUBJECT THAT HAS MANY DIFFERENT LAWS GOVERNING IT. AFTER BROWSING AND SKIMMING THROUGH A FEW BOOKS AT BORDERS BOOKS I FINALLY CAME TO MY SENSES IN THAT BEGINNER COULD NOT POSSIBLY LEARN ALL THE PERTINENT INFORMATION INCLUDING ALL THE LEGALITIES REGARDING REAL ESTATE IN ONLY TEN TELEPHONE CONVERSATIONS, ALL WHICH LASTS NO MORE THAN TEN-FIFTEEN MINUTES EACH. I THOUGHT I'D NEVER LIVE TO SEE THE DAY WHEN THE AMOUNT OF SCAMS THAT EXISTED FAR EXCEEDED THE NUMBER OF LEGITIMATE BUSINESSES. YOU KNOW, ALL OF THE FRAUDULENT OFFERS THAT ARE FEATURED ON INFOMERCIALS, FLOOD OUR MAILBOXES, ADVERTISED IN NEWSPAPER CLASSIFIED ADS, MAGAZINES, ETC, ETC. ALL BUSINESSES THAT REQUIRE A FEE OVER AND BEYOND THE COST OF THE MATERIALS IS A FLAT OUT SCAM. IT DOESN'T MATTER HOW A COMPANY DECIDES TO DISGUISE AND EXPLAIN THE REASON FOR A FEE. WHEN WAS THE LAST TIME THAT YOU PAID AN EMPLOYER TO BE ON THE COMPANY'S PAYROLL? YOU'D BE WORKING FOR THEM!! SCAM!! SCAM!! SCAM!! SCAM!! THE FRAUDULENT COMPANIES THAT DO CHARGE FEES OVER AND BEYOND THE COST OF THEIR CRAP ARE ONLY IN THE BUSINESS OF SELLING USELESS INFORMATION. IF YOU ONLY REMEMBER ONE THING FROM ANY OF MY REPORTS AND UPDATES REMEMBER THAT TELEPHONE MENTORING, LIKE ENVELOPE STUFFING, DOES NOT EXIST AND EVEN IF IT DID, IT WOULD BE IMPOSSIBLE FOR A BEGINNER TO OBTAIN ALL THE PERTINENT LAWS GOVERNING REAL ESTATE AND ALSO ALL OF THE PERTINENT POLICIES AND PROCEDURES IN ONLY TEN SESSIONS WHICH LASTS NO MORE THAN TEN-FIFTEEN MINUTES EACH. ALSO, COMPANIES AND SO CALLED GURUS WOULD HAVE NOTHING TO GAIN AND MUCH TO LOSE BY MENTORING OTHERS TO USE THEIR STRATEGIES IN THE FIRST PLACE. ONE LAST THING THAT I'D LIKE TO BRING TO THE WORLDS ATTENTION IS THE FACT THAT IN EVERY REPORT FILED AGAINST THESE FRAUDULENT COMPANIES YOU'LL NOTICE THAT THE INVESTMENTS VARY. SHAAADY!! IF THERE EVER WAS A LEGITIMATE PROGRAM THAT WAS BEING OFFERED BY A LEGITIMATE GURU THAT REALLY HAD THE POTENTIAL TO EARN SOMEONE $10,000.00-$15,000.00 A MONTH, IT WOULD COST FAR MORE THAN $6,400.00 AND WOULD DEFINETELY NOT BE NEGOTIABLE. THE FACT THAT THE INVESTMENT IS NEGOTIABLE ALONE PROVES THAT THE SCUMBAGS THAT PARTICIPATE IN THE PROMOTION OF THIS SCAM ARE ONLY INTERESTED IN GETTING THE MOST POSSIBLE OUT OF AS MANY PEOPLE AS THEY POSSIBLY CAN. TO ADD INSULT TO INJURY, THESE CON ARTISTS MAKE YOU THE VICTIM, THE REASON FOR FAILING MISERABLY. JUST AS YOU HAVE ALWAYS SUSPECTED! The only ones getting rich from all these business opportunities are the companies offering them! UNTIL NEXT TIME TAKE CARE EVERYONE, ALOHA FROM HAWAII AND GOD BLESS.

Hey Everyone, Today's date is Saturday March 20, 2004. I hope that this update finds each and every one of you in good spirit and health. It is I once again, just updating my rip-off report while keeping you posted on exactly what's going on, just as I have promised. First things first, let's see, ten complaints and not a single rebuttal, by a single person, employee, associate, or affiliate from anyone of the companies responsible for ripping everyone off. Not even one single person has come forward to defend the companies responsible for ripping off hundreds or possibly even thousands of people. This is as arrogant as you can get. But the real reason why no employee from any one of the companies will come forward to defend him or herself is, because there are far too many reports with striking similarities in them and it's not just mere coincidence. This fact alone should automatically tell the general public what kind of company they are, just like many other so called real estate gurus claiming to be selling the same kind of bogus real estate mentoring. Keep in mine folks that the so-called John Beck's mentoring institute has a NO REFUND policy and there is a d**n good reason why. Isn't it strange how every complaint on this site, as well as other sites regarding this company have many striking similarities and much in common? The only reason why these companies have implemented a NO REFUND policy is simple. IT'S A TRAP!! YES ONCE AGAIN LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, IT'S A TRAP!! Once you realize that you have invested several thousands of dollars into a service, which is non-existent, you will find that it is near impossible to get a refund. IT'S AN UPHILL BATTLE ALL THE WAY!! These companies will play ping-pong with you and your money in the dispute process and will make every attempt to get you on a technicality to steal your money. Right now they are continuously submitting ridiculous things to try to counter my dispute such as documents and contracts that have absolutely nothing to do with why I've disputed their service in LOT OF TIME AND MONEY IN PRINTING AND MAILING COSTS BY HAVING TO CONSTATLY COUNTER THEIR RIDICULOUS COUNTER CLAIMS, JUST AS I KNEW THEY WOULD, THESE BASTARDS ARE CONSTANTLY SUBMITTING ONLY ONE TO PAGE DOCUMENTS WHICH IS TOTALLY IRRELEVANT AND HAS NOTHING TO DO TO WITH THE REASON WHY I DISPUTED THEIR SERVICE IN THE FIRST PLACE. I HAVE NOT ONCE DENIED ORDERING THEIR CRAP IN ANY OF MY PREVIOUS REPORTS. SO BY THEM SUBMITTING ITEMS THAT DON'T EVEN PERTAIN TO MY DISPUTE SHOWS THE ENTIRE WORLD THAT THEY ARE DESPERATELY TRYING TO RIP MYSELF OFF ALONG WITH GOD KNOWS HOW MANY OTHER PEOPLE. THE SCAM LIES IN THE NON-EXISTANT DREAM THAT THEY ARE SELLING UNDER FALSE PRETENCES ALONG WITH ALL THE TRAPS THAT THEY HAVE SET. This is what the salespeople mean by using O.P.M. (other peoples money) YOUR MONEY!! So far they have submitted copies of our signed contract and agreement, receipts and invoices, letters, etc etc. which is all irrelevant to my dispute, because what it all boils down to is the fact that these companies HAVE NOT LIVED UP TO ANY OF THERE CLAIMS. All that they are trying to do now is drag this thing on for as long as it takes in hopes that I bow out of the situation. THEIR WHOLE PROGRAM IS A SCAM!! EVERYTHING FROM THEIR DECEPTIVE INFOMERCIAL TO THE COMPANIES INVOLVED WITH RIPPING HUNDREDS OR EVEN THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE OFF. EVERY COMPANY RECEIVES COMPLAINTS IN SOME WAY SHAPE OR FORM, BUT HOW THEY HANDLE THOSE COMPLAINTS IS WHAT SEPARATES ALL LEGITIMATE BUSINESSES FROM ALL MONEYMAKING SCAMS. THESE COMPANIES AND IT'S EMPLOYEES HAVE NOT EVEN ADDRESSED ONE OF THE COMPLAINTS POSTED ON THIS WEBSITE AND A FEW OTHER WEBSITES. SO WHAT DOES THAT TELL YOU? THESE POMPOUS AND ARROGANT SONS OF BI#CHES HAVE NOT SUBMITTED ONE REBUTTAL TO DEFEND THEMSELVES. THIS IS BECAUSE THEY CHOOSE TO HIDE BEHIND ANY LOOPHOLES IN THE LAW AND FINE PRINT OF OUR CREDIT CARDS AND USE IT ON THEIR BEHALF AND AS A WEAPON AGAINST YOU. THIS IS NOTHING SHORT OF EXTORTION. I am currently in a dispute battle with these thugs and let me tell you, WHEW!! It's a living hell. I'm not going to lie, I haven't returned their materials until just recently, but there is a really good reason why. To tell you the truth, I don't trust anyone at these companies from their receptionists, to their salespeople, to their so-called mentors. If you've done business with these thugs yourself you'd know exactly what I'm talking about. All the materials that I have received have come from different addresses and every time I tried contacting someone at any one of the numbers in my possession; I would get the runaround or hung up on. I cannot believe the arrogance of the employees at these companies responsible for ripping off numerous people. I cannot believe they actually have the audacity to stand me up along with everyone else, even though all the rip-off reports filed against them are as unfavorable as they can possibly be. Not to mention on a website that very easily draws one-two million visitors a day. How dare they stand up the bad business bureau? One of only a few organizations in existence that freely helps victims get relief from crooked businesses, and also make public thousands of reports that literally saves thousands of people if not millions from making the same mistake. Oh yeah, as I have mentioned in my previous report, one week has already gone by and I have yet to hear from anyone responsible for selling me this crap, so it is now imperative that I double my request for compensation by $31,900.00 while adding the additional ($1,500,00 x 5 weeks for no response = $7,500.00) TOTAL: $71,300.00 just as I have promised in my previous update, for it has become necessary to prove that I am dead serious about my campaign for justice. My next step will be to instruct the bad business bureau to include the companies that are responsible for ripping everyone off on their mass mailing campaign. There's enormous strength in numbers and every victim must come forward and relentlessly pursue their money if we are to force any changes, get monetarily reimbursed or at very least warn and protect the rest of the general public. THE PUBLIC HAS A RIGHT TO KNOW!! So in a nutshell, until the day all of your family, friends, neighbors, co-workers, acquaintances, etc. are ranting and raving about their new found fortune, I strongly suggest that you second guess all so-called real estate gurus who claim to have the ability to mentor you to success. Even if they did, which in most cases do not, they would have absolutely nothing to gain and much to lose by mentoring complete strangers to do the same. It would also be near impossible for them to hire and retain employees, for their employees would want to participate in the program themselves. DON'T ORDER PROGRAM AND IF YOU ALREADY HAVE, RETURN IT AS SOON AS POSSIBLE AND REQUEST AN IMMEDIATE REFUND. NEVER EVER GIVE A SALESPERSON YOUR CREDIT CARD NUMBER OVER THE PHONE, ESPECIALLY IF THE COMPANY IS INFOMERCIAL RELATED. RESEARCH ANY AND ALL COMPANIES THOROUGHLY BEFORE MAKING A DECISION WHETHER TO CONDUCT BUSINESS WITH THEM OR NOT. MANY TIMES COMPANIES ARE DESPERATE AND THEY CREATE AN IMPRESSION OF URGENCY. THEY DO THIS SO THAT WOULD BE VICTIMS WOULDN'T HAVE ANY TIME TO RESEARCH THEIR COMPANY IN ANY WAY. At the time that Mike Evans sold me on this garbage they call mentoring, he seemed really adamant, determined and d**n near desperate to get my credit card number. I finally gave in because of the fact that Mike Evans told me everything it was I wanted to hear. I was also in a tremendous rush to leave for work at the time and Mike Evans being the salesperson that he is, created a sense of urgency by saying we are only selecting a few people to work with our coaches who have been personally hand picked and mentored by John Beck himself, so I need you to act right now. Your coach will teach you how to use O.P.M. (other peoples money). FULL OF SH#T!! MORE LIKE MY MONEY!! NEVER EVER GIVE A SALESPERSON YOUR CREDIT CARD NUMBER OVER THE PHONE!! NEVER!! NEVER!! NEVER!! I only wish I'd taken my own advise on that dreadful day four months ago. I SHOULD HAVE IMMEDIATELY KNOWN THAT THIS WAS A SCAM WHEN MIKE EVANS BEGAN PRESSING HARDER AFTER I TOLD HIM THAT I WAS INTERESTED IN RESEARCHING THE COMPANY ON THE INTERNET FIRST, BEFORE I GOT BACK TO HIM THE NEXT DAY WITH A DECISION. LEGITIMATE COMPANIES ARE THE ONES WILLING AND ABLE TO SATISFY ANY AND ALL COMPLAINTS AGAIST THEM. MAKE THIS YOUR ONLY DETERMINING FACTOR WHENEVER DECIDING TO DO BUSINESS WITH A COMPANY. IN FACT, IT'S BEST TO RESEARCH ANY AND ALL COMPANIES BEFORE EVEN DECIDING TO GIVE THEM A CALL. I don't mean to sound like a hypocrite or anything; I'm only reporting the companies' activity to protect everyone from being victimized as I was. Now that I think about it, I feel really ashamed of what has happened to me. From now on we need to make it more challenging for companies to rip people off. Getting back to the dispute battle, which I am presently stuck in, because these schmucks are refusing to let it go. The only reason why the dispute is still alive is because the companies have submitted a copy of the signed contract, which have not been sent to me the entire time I was supposedly being mentored. I have received these two contracts prior to my first scheduled mentoring, which requested my signatures and immediate return. I know that it's partially my fault that I didn't take it upon myself to make copies of them on my own, but still they are the ones who breeched it by not living up to any of their claims while at the same time are desperately trying to steal my money. Have I mentioned the time when I called my coach up with a tax related question? My coach's advice to me was H&R Block. YEEEAH!! Mike Evans, the person responsible for selling me this crap in the first place wasn't too thrilled about me contacting my coach with this question and told me that my coach wouldn't know any thing about this service. WHAT!! Shouldn't the coaches know everything about they're company and exactly what services are being offered. I sure think so. Is there anyone out there who may be interested in someday starting their own website? Here's an idea, SUE ONLINE. We all know that it is impossible to sue someone online, but this new public forum would at very least deter all rip-off artists from attempting to drag innocent people behind closed doors where their big shot lawyers are able to ream them. The main purpose of SUE ONLINE would be to protect the innocent and less fortunate. Unlike big companies with bullies for legal advisors that have no problem wasting everyone's time and money by exploiting the lengthy dispute process. SUE ONLINE would just be the name of an online public forum to make sure innocent people are not taken advantage of or even worst robbed. This would be the next best thing to having the media present in a courtroom. The entire world may log in and witness actual court hearings and proceedings. Isn't this a wonderful idea? I HAVE BEEN MADE A FOOL OF, SO THAT HOPEFULLY THOUSANDS OF OTHERS WON'T BE. I SINCERELY HOPE THAT EACH AND EVERY ONE OF YOU WILL LEARN THROUGH THE MISTAKES THAT I HAVE MADE. IF SOMETHING SOUNDS TOO GOOD TO BE TRUE, IT DEFINETELY IS. It doesn't bother me much anymore, for it seems this may very well be a blessing in disguise. Hopefully, it will take a lot more for companies that wish to sell the trash they call mentoring than a deceiving and misleading infomercial that's full of crap. DON'T BELIEVE ANYTHING THAT YOU SEE ON INFOMERCIALS. THERE IS A d**n GOOD REASON WHY MANY COMPANIES FIND IT NECESSARY TO MARKET THEIR PRODUCTS AND OR SERVICES THROUGH PAID INFOMERCIALS. THERES ALWAYS A CATCH!! ALWAYS!! Anyways, until next time thanks again, take care everyone, Aloha from Hawaii and God Bless. P.S. DON'T ALLOW THESE COMPANIES THAT ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR RIPPING HUNDREDS IF NOT THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE OFF TO FOOL YOU INTO THINKING THAT THEIR TEMPORARY SILENCE, ABSENCE OF INFOMERCIAL AIRING AND THE SLOWING OF APPEARANCES ON RIP-OFF REPORT IS DUE TO GOOD BEHAVIOR. THEY'RE PROBABLY COOKING UP SOME OTHER BULLS#IT RIGHT NOW AS YOU ARE READING THIS REPORT. BUT DON'T WORRY, BECAUSE AS I ALWAYS PROMISE, I WILL KEEP YOU POSTED ON THEIR WHEREABOUTS AND CONTINUE TO MONITOR THEIR ACTIONS ALONG WITH EVERY MOVE UNTIL THE DAY I'M BURIED SIX FEET UNDERGROUND. WHAT PROVES A COMPANY'S GENUINE INTEREST IN PEOPLES SUCCESS FAR MORE THAN A PAID INFOMERCIAL IS THEIR WILLINGNESS TO ADMIT FAULT AND RECTIFY AND SATISY ANY AND ALL COMPLAINTS. THIS COMPANY HAS NOT RECTIFIED AND OR SATISFIED EVEN ONE. UNTIL THESE COMPANIES STARTS TO TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR DOING SO, THEIR ENTIRE PROGRAM REMAINS A SCAM. SO LET'S ALL SPREAD THE WORD REGARDING THESE COMPANIES TO EVERY SINGLE PERSON THAT YOU TALK TO DAILY. LET'S SPREAD IT LIKE WILDFIRE THROUGH THE USE OF THE WORLD'S MOST POWERFUL FORM OF ADVERTISING, WHICH IS WORD OF MOUTH. AND HOPEFULLY ONE SWEET DAY WE MAY ALL BE ABLE TO AUTOMATICALLY ASSOCIATE SO-CALLED REAL ESTATE MENTORING VIA TELEPHONE AS JUST ANOTHER SHADY THING OF THE PAST AND A SCAM JUST AS ENVELOPE STUFFING IS. ANYONE WHO HAD OR IS HAVING A DIFFICULT TIME WITH THESE COMPANIES, MAKE SURE TO POST A RIP-OFF REPORT OF YOUR OWN, IT WON'T COST YOU A PRETTY PENNY AND WILL MAKE IT MUCH EASIER TO PROTECT ANY MORE CONSUMERS FROM BEING HURT BY THESE FRAUDULENT ENTITIES. YOU MAY ALSO SUBMIT A REPORT TO THE NATIONAL FRAUD INFORMATION CENTER @ HTTP://WWW.FRAUD.ORG OR BY CALLING 1 800 422-7128. ALSO FEEL FREE TO CONTACT ME AT ANY TIME THROUGH THE bad business bureau. P.S.S. MAKE SURE TO READ WHAT OTHERS ARE SAYING ABOUT THESE COMPANIES. THERE IS A WEBSITE WHERE A SEASONED VETERAN IN REAL ESTATE INVESTING RATES ALL REAL ESTATE GURUS. THE INFORMATION ON HIS WEBSITE IS VERY INFOMATIVE, BUT MAY BE A LITTLE BIASED AND CONTRADICTIVE IN MANY WAYS, AS YOU WILL FIND THAT MANY OF THE GURUS THAT HE WOULD RECOMMENED HAVE MANY OF THE BAD QUALITIES THAT HE STRONGLY CLAIMS HE'S SO AGAINST. ALSO, DO A GENERAL SEARCH ON INFOMERCIALS AND YOU WILL STUMBLE ACROSS A FEW WEBSITES THAT WILL GIVE YOU THE ENTIRE PICTURE AND HISTORY BEHIND INFOMERCIALS AS WELL AS HOW IT ALL GOT STARTED. THE FLORIDA ATTORNEY GENERAL ALSO HAS SOME VERY INTERESTING INSIGHTS REGARDING INFOMERCIALS. ALSO, BE SURE TO CHECK OUT ALL COMPLAINTS REGARDING INFOMERCIAL PRODUCTS, SERVICES, AND DUBIOUS MONEYMAKING, PIE IN THE SKY, GET RICH QUICK SCHEMES. WWW.INFOMERCIALSCAMS.COM. ALL OF THE INFOMERCIALS SELLING MONEYMAKING PROGRAMS SEEM TO HAVE AT LEAST ONE THING IN COMMON AND THAT IS THEY DON'T CARE ABOUT THE ACCUMULATION OF COMPLAINTS REGARDLESS IF MOST COMPLAINTS ARE VERY SIMILAR IN NATURE IF NOT EXACTLY THE SAME. LIST OF THINGS THAT PROVE THAT THIS WHOLE THING IS NOTHING BUT A SCAM AND WHY THE ENTIRE WORLD SHOULD BOYCOTT ANY AND ALL INFOMERCIALS THAT CLAIM THEY'RE INTERESTED AND ABLE TO HELP PEOPLE ACCUMULATE WEALTH AND OR SUCCESS. 1. JUST LOOK AT HOW MANY COMPLAINTS EACH AND EVERY MONEYMAKING PROGRAM HAS, THE SIMILARITIES IN ALL OF THEM, AND THE SEVERE LACK OF WILLINGNESS TO ADDRESS THEM AND RECTIFY ANY OF THEM. 2. MISLEADING AND VERY DECEIVING INFOMERCIALS: NOTICE HOW ALL-MONEYMAKING INFOMERCIALS NEVER STATE THAT A SUBSTANCIAL INVESTMENT IS REQUIRED IN ORDER TO BENEFIT FROM THEIR PROGRAM? SURE IT'S NOT MANDATORY, BUT IT HAS ACTUALLY BEEN TOLD TO ME DURING THE SALE, ALONG WITH GOD KNOWS HOW MANY OTHER PEOPLE THAT THE PROGRAM BY ITSELF IS VIRTUALLY USELESS WITHOUT SOME KIND OF MENTORING, MERCHANT ACCOUNTS, WEBSITES, ETC, ETC. ISN'T IT STRANGE HOW IT'S NOT NECESSARY FOR THEM TO STATE THIS FACT ON THEIR INFOMERCIALS. INSTEAD THEY DECEIVE EVERYONE WITH TESTIMONIALS, MOST OF THEM PROBABLY FALSE AND MAY VERY WELL BE FROM PAID ACTORS AND OR ACTRESSES. 3. MISREPRESENTATION DURING THE SALES PROCESS: THE PERSON WHO IS ASSIGNED TO SELL YOU ON THE FRAUDULENT AND NON EXISTING OPPORTUNITY IS HIGHLY TRAINED IN MISLEADING, CONNING, JACKING, EXTORTION, ROBBING, COERCION AND HIGH PRESSURE SALES TACTICS, ALONG WITH MANY OTHER UNETHICAL AND UNPROFESSIONAL BUSINESS PRACTICES. THEY ARE SELLING A FRUDULENT AND NON-EXISTING MENTORING PROGRAM THROUGH FALSE AND MISLEADING PRETENCES. YOUR SALESPERSON WILL SAY ANYTHING AND EVERYTHING THAT HE OR SHE THINKS YOU WANT TO HEAR AND ALSO CREATE A FALSE SENSE OF URGENCY IN ORDER TO PURSUADE YOU TO MAKE A QUICK DECISION, THUS PREVENTING YOU FROM CONDUCTING ANY RESEARCH TO FIND THE MANY UNSATISFIED COMPLAINTS AGAINST THEM. THEY ALSO FAIL TO COOPERATE IN ALL EFFORTS TO RESOLVE CONSUMER DISPUTES. BELIEVE ME, THERE ARE MANY MORE CONSUMERS WHO HAVE BEEN RIPPED OFF BY THESE UNSCUPULOUS COMPANIES THAN JUST THE ONES LISTED ON THIS PAGE. IT JUST SO HAPPENS THAT MANY VICTIMS HAVE NOT YET FOUND THERE WAY TO THIS WEBSITE. ONE DAY IN THE VERY NEAR FUTURE THIS SCAM IS GOING PUBLIC. YES THESE GUYS MAY USE WHAT FEW OLD TESTIMONIALS THEY HAVE, BUT CANNOT AND WILL NOT BE ABLE TO JUSTIFY RIPPING OF THE THOUSANDS OF OTHER PEOPLE THAT THEY HAVE. PEOPLE WHO HAVE BEEN CONNED AND TRICKED INTO BUYING THEIR BOGUS NON-EXISTING PROGRAM. AND YES, SOMEONE NEEDS TO BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE, TAKE FULL RESPONSIBILITY AND BE BROUGHT TO JUSTICE FOR PARTICIPATING IN IT'S PROMOTION AND ALSO FOR PERPETUATING THIS VERY BLATANT AND MALICIOUS SCAM. 4. NO REFUNDS: IT'S A TRAP!! A SCAM IN DISGUISE!! ONCE THEY HAVE YOUR CREDIT CARD NUMBER AND YOU DISCOVER THAT THEY ARE TOTALLY UNABLE TO LIVE UP TO ANY OF THEIR CLAIMS, IT WILL BE VERY DIFFICULT TO d**n NEAR IMPOSSIBLE FOR YOU TO GET A REFUND. THESE BASTARDS HIDE BEHIND THEIR NO REFUND POLICY. THE OFFER IS FRAUDULENT AND THIS IS THE VERY REASON WHY THEY'VE IMPLEMENTED A NO REFUND POLICY IN THE FIRST PLACE, REGARDLESS IF THEY TELL YOU OTHERWISE. AGAIN, THEY ARE WILLING TO TELL YOU WHATEVER IT IS YOU WANT TO HEAR TO CAPTURE YOUR CREDIT CARD NUMBER AND HOLD IT HOSTAGE IN HOPES TO WIN YOU OVER IN THE LONG AND GRUELING DISPUTE BATTLE. ANOTHER TIP THAT PROVES THIS IS JUST ANOTHER BUT A BAIT AND SWITCH TRAP IS THE FACT THAT THESE COMPANIES ARE VERY QUICK TO TAPE RECORD THE AGREEMENT TO PURCHASE, BUT THEY DON'T TAPE RECORD ANY OF THEIR LIES AND BOGUS SALES PITCHES. IT HAS NOW BEEN OVER FOUR MONTHS SINCE I FIRST DISPUTED THE QUALITY OF SERVICES (DECEPTIVE TRADE) AND SO FAR THESE CROOKS HAVE BEEN UNABLE TO FURNISH ANYTHING EVEN PARTIALLY RELEVANT TO MY CLAIMS. WHILE I AM SUBMITTING 20-30 PAGES OF RIP-OFF REPORT AFTER RIP-OFF REPORT, THESE JACKASSES ARE SUBMITTING ITEMS THAT HAVE ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO WITH MY DISPUTE, FOR IF YOU'LL NOTICE IN ALL OF MY PREVIOUS REPORTS, I HAVE NOT ONCE DENIED ORDERING THEIR SCAM. WHAT THEY ARE DOING NOW IS ONLY HELPING ME PROVE MY POINT THAT THEIR PROGAM IS NOTHING BUT A TRAP AND A SCAM. THIS PROGRAM IS NOTHING MORE THAN A WELL-ORCHESTRATED SCHEME THAT INVOLVES EXTORTION BY COMPANIES ENGAGING IN ORGANIZED CRIME. 5. BAD CUSTOMER SERVICE: THE CUSTOMER SERVICE IS HORRIBLE. THE PEOPLE WHO WORK FOR THESE COMPANIES ARE OFTEN VERY RUDE, UNPROFESSIONAL AND ENJOY NOTHING MORE THAN GIVING YOU THE RUN AROUND. YOUR COACH SOMETIMES TAKES FRIGGGIN HOURS JUST TO RETURN YOUR CALL. THERE'S EVEN COMPLAINTS ABOUT PEOPLE BEING HUNG UP ON WHEN THE PRESSURE GOT TO MUCH FOR THE UNPROFESSIONALS. I'VE BEEN HUNG UP ON MYSELF SEVERAL TIMES. 6. EXTORTION: I CANNOT EMPHASIZE ENOUGH, THE IMPORTANCE OF NOT SUPPLYING YOUR CREDIT CARD INFORMATION TO THESE THUGS. I AM NOT SAY THIS FOR MY OWN SELFISH REASONS, FOR I AM WELL BEYOND JUST A REFUND AT THIS POINT. THIS IS A TRAP!! THESE BOGUS MENTORING SERVICES ARE JUST ELABORATE SCHEMES TO FISH IN AS MANY UNSUSPECTING VICTIMS AS THEY POSSIBLY CAN. THEIR PRIMARY OBJECTIVE IS TO ACCUMULATE AS MANY CREDIT CARD NUMBERS AS POSSIBLE AND TAKE AS MANY PEOPLE AS THEY POSSIBLY CAN ON THE JOURNEY OF A LIFETIME, BECAUSE THEY ARE WELL AWARE OF THE FACT THAT MANY PEOPLE CANNOT AFFORD TO (TIMEWISE AND FINANCIALLY) CHASE AFTER THEY'RE HARD EARNED MONEY AND WILL EVENTUALLY BOW OUT AND JUST EAT THEIR LOSSES. DURING MY CONVERSATION WITH MIKE EVANS REGARDING A REFUND AND IN WHICH HE THREATENED TO SUE ME, MIKE EVANS WAS REALLY QUICK TO JUMP THE GUN IN ASSUMING THAT I HAVE CLAIMED FRAUD AGAINST HIS COMPANY. NOW WHY IN THE WORLD WOULD ANY LEGITIMATE COMPANY OR BUSINESS WHO HAS NOTHING TO HIDE ASSUME THIS?? SCAM!! TILL THIS DAY THESE COMPANIES HAVE CONTINUED TO SUBMIT RIDICULOUS ITEMS IN THEIR DEFENSE TO MY DISPUTE, SUCH AS INVOICES, RECEIPTS, CONTRACTS, ETC, ETC, ALL WHICH HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH THE REASON FOR MY DISPUTE, ITEMS THAT PROVE ABSOLUTELY NOTHING, FOR I HAVE NOT ONCE DENIED ENROLLING IN THEIR PROGRAM IN ANY OF MY PREVIOUS REPORTS. THE FACT THAT THEY HAVE NOT ONCE FURNISHED ANYTHING EVEN PARTIALLY RELEVANT TO MY CLAIMS AND ACTUALLY HAVING IT PASS AS LEGITIMATE COUNTERS, ONLY PROVES THEIR DESPERATION AND BLATANT INTENT TO RIP PEOPLE OFF. I HONESTLY AND WHOLEHEARTEDY BELIVE THAT THERE'S A REASON FOR EVERYTHING IN LIFEAND I FEEL THAT I HAVE BEEN RIPPED OFF SO THAT HUNDREDS OR EVEN THOUSANDS OF OTHERS WILL NOT BE IN THE FUTURE. SO UNTIL THE DAY YOU SEE ALL THE COMPLAINTS BEING ACKNOWLEGED AND RESOLVED, I STRONGLY SUGGEST THAT EVERYONE AVOID ANY AND ALL MONEYMAKING PROGRAMS THAT CLAIM THE ABILITY TO MENTOR YOU TO SUCCESS. THEY'RE ALL-ENGAGING IN DECEPTIVE TRADE (BAIT AND SWITCH) AND ARE PREYING ON INNOCENT PEOPLE WHO ARE JUST TRYING TO MAKE ENDS MEET. THESE GUYS DON'T CARE ABOUT WHO THEY RIP OFF. REAL ESTATE IS A VERY COMPLEX SUBJECT THAT HAS MANY DIFFERENT LAWS GOVERNING IT. AFTER BROWSING AND SKIMMING THROUGH A FEW BOOKS AT BORDERS BOOKS I FINALLY CAME TO MY SENSES IN THAT BEGINNER COULD NOT POSSIBLY LEARN ALL THE PERTINENT INFORMATION INCLUDING ALL THE LEGALITIES REGARDING REAL ESTATE IN ONLY TEN TELEPHONE CONVERSATIONS, ALL WHICH LASTS NO MORE THAN TEN-FIFTEEN MINUTES EACH. I THOUGHT I'D NEVER LIVE TO SEE THE DAY WHEN THE AMOUNT OF SCAMS THAT EXISTED FAR EXCEEDED THE NUMBER OF LEGITIMATE BUSINESSES. YOU KNOW, ALL OF THE FRAUDULENT OFFERS THAT ARE FEATURED ON INFOMERCIALS, FLOOD OUR MAILBOXES, ADVERTISED IN NEWSPAPER CLASSIFIED ADS, MAGAZINES, ETC, ETC. ALL BUSINESSES THAT REQUIRE A FEE OVER AND BEYOND THE COST OF THE MATERIALS IS A FLAT OUT SCAM. IT DOESN'T MATTER HOW A COMPANY DECIDES TO DISGUISE AND EXPLAIN THE REASON FOR A FEE. WHEN WAS THE LAST TIME THAT YOU PAID AN EMPLOYER TO BE ON THE COMPANY'S PAYROLL? YOU'D BE WORKING FOR THEM!! SCAM!! SCAM!! SCAM!! SCAM!! THE FRAUDULENT COMPANIES THAT DO CHARGE FEES OVER AND BEYOND THE COST OF THEIR CRAP ARE ONLY IN THE BUSINESS OF SELLING USELESS INFORMATION. IF YOU ONLY REMEMBER ONE THING FROM ANY OF MY REPORTS AND UPDATES REMEMBER THAT TELEPHONE MENTORING, LIKE ENVELOPE STUFFING, DOES NOT EXIST AND EVEN IF IT DID, IT WOULD BE IMPOSSIBLE FOR A BEGINNER TO OBTAIN ALL THE PERTINENT LAWS GOVERNING REAL ESTATE AND ALSO ALL OF THE PERTINENT POLICIES AND PROCEDURES IN ONLY TEN SESSIONS WHICH LASTS NO MORE THAN TEN-FIFTEEN MINUTES EACH. ALSO, COMPANIES AND SO CALLED GURUS WOULD HAVE NOTHING TO GAIN AND MUCH TO LOSE BY MENTORING OTHERS TO USE THEIR STRATEGIES IN THE FIRST PLACE. ONE LAST THING THAT I'D LIKE TO BRING TO THE WORLDS ATTENTION IS THE FACT THAT IN EVERY REPORT FILED AGAINST THESE FRAUDULENT COMPANIES YOU'LL NOTICE THAT THE INVESTMENTS VARY. SHAAADY!! IF THERE EVER WAS A LEGITIMATE PROGRAM THAT WAS BEING OFFERED BY A LEGITIMATE GURU THAT REALLY HAD THE POTENTIAL TO EARN SOMEONE $10,000.00-$15,000.00 A MONTH, IT WOULD COST FAR MORE THAN $6,400.00 AND WOULD DEFINETELY NOT BE NEGOTIABLE. THE FACT THAT THE INVESTMENT IS NEGOTIABLE ALONE PROVES THAT THE SCUMBAGS THAT PARTICIPATE IN THE PROMOTION OF THIS SCAM ARE ONLY INTERESTED IN GETTING THE MOST POSSIBLE OUT OF AS MANY PEOPLE AS THEY POSSIBLY CAN. TO ADD INSULT TO INJURY, THESE CON ARTISTS MAKE YOU THE VICTIM, THE REASON FOR FAILING MISERABLY. JUST AS YOU HAVE ALWAYS SUSPECTED! The only ones getting rich from all these business opportunities are the companies offering them! UNTIL NEXT TIME TAKE CARE EVERYONE, ALOHA FROM HAWAII AND GOD BLESS.

HOWDY FOLKS, I HOPE THAT THIS MESSAGE FINDS EACH AND EVERY ONE OF YOU IN GOOD SPIRIT AND HEALTH. THIS PROGRAM SOUNDS TO ME LIKE JUST ANOTHER PIE IN THE SKY, GET RICH QUICK SCHEMES. THERE ARE PROBABLY MILLIONS OF THEM CIRCULATING IN MAGAZINES, NEWSPAPER CLASSIFIEDS, FLOODING YOUR MAILBOXES, AND ESPECIALLY INFOMERCIALS. THESE ARE ALL JUST SCAMS, ESPECIALLY THE COMPANIES THAT FIND IT NECESSARY TO SPEND MILLIONS OF DOLLARS TO SHOOT AN INFOMERCIAL, WHILE AT THE SAME TIME IMPLEMENT AND ENFORCE A NO REFUND POLICY. KEEP IN MIND THAT ALL MONEYMAKING INFOMERCIALS PRACTICE THE OLD BAIT AND SWITH, WHICH IS NOTHING MORE THAN DECEPTIVE TRADE. THE PRODUCT AND OR SERVICES THAT YOU SEE ON INFOMERCIALS ARE NEVER WHAT IT SEEMS AND IS NEVER THE ONLY THING INVOLVED IN MONEYMAKING PROGRAMS. THE PRODUCT AND OR SERVICE ON INFOMERCIALS IS JUST A DECEPTIVE DOOR OPENER FOR COMPANIES TO CONTACT YOU TO SELL YOU MORE PRODUCTS AND OR SERVICES AT A LATER TIME. IF YOU'VE EVER PURCHASED A MONEYMAKING PRODUCT FROM AN INFOMERCIAL AND RECEIVE A LETTER INSTRUCTING YOU TO CALL A TOLL FREE NUMBER, RETURN THE PACKAGE IMMEDIATELY, FOR THEY HAVE ALREADY ENGAGED IN DECEPTIVE TRADE BY NOT DISCLOSING THE FACT THAT AN ADDITIONAL INVESTMENT IS REQUIRED IN ORDER TO PROFIT FROM THEIR PROGRAM. INFOMERCIALS ARE NOT REQUIRED TO STATE THAT AN INVESTMENT OF AN ENORMOUS AMOUNT IS REQUIRED. INFOMERCIAL COMPANIES WANT TO OBTAIN AS MANY PEOPLE'S CREDIT CARD INFORMATION IN ORDER TO TRAP THEM INTO THEIR REALM OF THE NO REFUND POLICY. ON TOP OF YOUR PURCHASE OF THEY'RE PROGRAM THEY ARE GOING TO TRY AND SELL YOU ON ADDITIONAL INFORMATION, EXPENSIVE WEBSITES, MERCHANT ACCOUNTS, ETC, ETC, ALL WITH THE PROMISES OF HUGE GAINS. KEEP IN MIND THAT THE SALESPEOPLE WHO SELL THESE SCAMS ARE AT LIBERTY TO SAY WHATEVER IT TAKES TO SELL THEIR CRAP, FOR THEY ARE PROTECTED AND STAND BEHIND THEIR NO REFUND POLICY AND THE FINE PRINT ON CONSUMERS CREDIT CARDS. EVEN IF THEY ARE TOTALLY UNABLE TO LIVE UP TO ANY OF THEIR CLAIMS AND DO NOT DELIVER ANYTHING THAT HAD BEEN PROMISED IT DOES NOT MATTER ONE BIT, BECAUSE YOU HAVE ALREADY AGREED TO BUY THEIR DODO ON FALSE PRETENCES AND THEY ARE RENDERING SOME KIND OF SERVICE. I AM PRESENTLY IN A DISPUTE BATTLE WITH THE COMPANIES INVOLVED WITH SELLING ME JOHN BECK'S AMAZING PROFITS. THIS PROGRAM IS CRAP!! THEY SELL IT TO ME, IT ARRIVES HELLA LATE EVEN THOUGH I PAID FOR RUSH DELIVERY, MIKE EVANS SUCKERS ME INTO THEIR BOGUS MENTORING PROGRAM, CUSTOMER SERVICE IS RUDE THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE ORDEAL, THEY WHERE NOT LIVING UP TO ANY OF THEIR CLAIMS, MIKE EVANS THREATENS TO SUE ME IF I DECIDED TO DISPUTE THE TRANSACTION WHICH IS MY RIGHT AS A CONSUMER. THIS IS THE STORY IN A NUTSHELL. SEARCH FOR JOHN BECK TO READ THE ENTIRE STORY. AND HAVE YOU EVER NOTICE THAT MOST OF THE COMPLAINTS HAVE MUCH IN COMMON AND NO LEGITIMATE OR VALID REBUTALS. THAT SHOULD TELL YOU SOMETHING RIGHT THERE. REFER AS MANY PEOPLE AS YOU POSSIBLY CAN TO THIS WEBSITE, FOR THIS MAY VERY WELL BE THE BEST GIFT YOU COULD EVER GIVE SOMEONE. THERE IS ENOURMOUS STRENGTH IN NUMBERS AND WE AS CONSUMERS CAN PUT AN END TO THESE RIDICULOUS SCAMS BEFORE THEY GET OUT OF HAND LIKE ENVELOPE STUFFING IS. AGAIN, IF YOU HAVE ALREADY PURCHASED THEIR MATERIAL RETURN IT, IF YOU'VE PAID BY CREDIT CARD CALL YOUR CREDIT CARD'S DISPUTE DEPARTMENT AND DISPUTE THE QUALITY OF SERVICES IMMEDIATELY. THIS IS YOUR RIGHT AS A CONSUMER. TELL THE CUSTOMER SERVICE REP THAT YOU HAVE BEEN SOLD THE MERCHANDISE UNDER VERY FALSE PRETENCES AND WITH A SENSE OF URGENCY AND THAT THE INFOMERCIAL THAT CONVINCED YOU TO PUCHASE THE PROGAM IS OBVIOUSLY ENGAGING IN DECEPTIVE TRADE, FOR THERE'S NO MENTION OF ANY FURTHER INVESTMENTS AND ANY AND ALL REALLY FINE PRINT IS JUST A FLASH AND OR A BLUR. UNTIL NEXT TIME, TAKE CARE CAUSE I CARE, ALOHA FROM HAWAII AND GOD BLESS. P.S. DON'T EVER GIVE YOUR CREDIT CARD NUMBER OUT TO ANYONE OVER THE PHONE. P.S.S. DON'T FORGET TO CHECK OUT MY REPORT ON JOHN BECK AND ALSO REFER ALL OF YOUR FRIEND'S CO WORKERS, FAMILY MEMBERS, AQUAINTENCES, AND EVEN ENEMIES TO THIS SITE, FOR IF YOU DO, EVEN YOUR WORST ENEMY WONT BE YOUR ENEMY ANYMORE. THEY WILL LOVE YOU FOR LOOKING OUT FOR THEIR BEST INTEREST AND PROTECTING THEM FROM MAKING A REALLY BAD INVESTMENT DECISION. THESE SO CALLED REAL ESTATE GURUS ARE NOTHING MORE THAN A STRING OF VILLAINS PROMOTING THE SAME SCAM UNDER DIFFERENT SO CALLED GURUS. IF YOU EVER SPEAK WITH A SALESPERSON FROM ONE OF THESE FRAUDULENT COMPANIES 1. ASK THEM EXACTLY WHAT THEY'RE RETURN POLICY IS. 2. DEMAND IT IN WRITING WITH NO FINE PRINT. 3. MAKE ABSOLUTELY SURE THAT THEIR RETURN POLICY IS AT LEAST IS AT LEAST FOUR MONTHS, FOR THE TYPICAL DISPUTE RIGHTS FOR CREDIT CARDS IS THREE MONTHS. 4. NEVER ALLOW ANYONE TO PRESSURE YOU INTO MAKING AN IMMEDIATE DECISION, IF SOMEONE DOES, YOU CAN REST ASSURED IT'S A SCAM. LET THE SALESPERSON KNOW THAT IF THEY HAVE NOTHING TO HIDE, HE OR SHE HAS NOTHING TO WORRY ABOUT AND THAT YOU WILL CALL THEM BACK AS SOON AS YOU'RE READY TO MAKE A PURCHASE. CONDUCT THOROUGH RESEARCH ON ALL PRODUCTS AND OR SERVICES BEFORE AGREEING TO PURCHASE ANYTHING VIA PAID INFOMERCIALS. 5. DON'T EVER SIGN UP OR PURCHASE ANY MONEY MAKING PROGRAMS THAT CLAIM TO HAVE THE ABILITY TO MENTOR YOU TO SUCCESS. IF YOU DO, THE ONLY PERSON WHO WILL BE RANTING AND RAVING, IS THE PERSON WHO RECEIVES THE COMMISION FOR SELLING YOU THE CRAP. JOHN BECK FREE AND CLEAR REAL ESTATE PROGRAM, JOHN BECK AMAZING PROFITS, OR HOWEVER ELSE THEY DECIDE TO DISGUISE THE NAME IT DOES NOT MATTER, IT'S THE SAME SCAM. IF YOU ARE EVER PRESSURED BY ONE OF THEIR SALESPEOPLE, JUST TELL THEM THAT IF YOU ARE EVER INTERESTED IN GAMBLING, YOU'LL GO TO VEGAS WHERE YOUR ODDS ARE A HELL OF A LOT BETTER THAN SIGNING UP FOR THE NON EXISTENT DREAM AND ALL THE FALSE HOPES AND EMPTY PROMISES THAT THEY ARE SELLING.

Hello to all, I hope that my newly updated message finds each and every one of you in good spirit and health. It's me again updating my message to keep you all posted on the fraudulent companies that are presently trying to scam me out of $59.98 + S&H for incomplete materials and for $6,400.00 for bogus mentoring. Today's date is Thursday February 5, 2004 and I still haven't received an apology from anyone involved with this unscrupulous and devious scam. I hope that Mike Evans (salesperson) was not planning on using the fact that I left him a message on his answering machine requesting him to stop calling my home as an excuse to why he had been blowing me off all this time, because I now feel an even greater responsibility to notify all would be victims about the companies responsible for ripping me off and their intent to rip everyone else off. Right now these con artists are just playing stupid and acting as though I'm a hard person to get a hold of, when they had absolutely no problem getting a hold of me while they were desperately trying to extort money from me. They know d**n well that there are other means of contacting me, but still they choose not to with an apology or even acknowledge the unpleasant experience. Looks as though Mike Evans (salesperson) along with the rest of the con artists may have opened a new can of worms for themselves, because I'm now going to hold them personally responsible for fully compensating me for all expenses that I have incurred to date, as well as all other expenses that I incur from here on out relating to this matter. I cannot and will not waste any more of my time chasing money that these crooked companies are trying to extort from me. Compensation includes, but is not limited to 1. Time wasted - for the past four months or so, I have been unable to do any of the things that I really enjoy doing as a result of being a victim of this scam. I also had a very shoddy Christmas and still suffer from what I believe is post holiday blues. I am requesting $6,400.00, which is the amount of my investment for time wasted. 2. Work for the past four months or so, I have been unable to work full time at my job and had much too little time to search for a fulltime job, due to the labor intense responsibilities of trying to chase and recover the $6,400.00 that was being extorted from me. I am requesting an additional $2,000.00 (very low estimate) the difference had I been working full time. 3. Aggravation (mental anguish, stress, inconvenience, anxiety, insomnia and many other health related problems that may very well be linked to all the stress and worry these companies have caused, such as an increase in hair loss, depression, fatigue and many sleepless nights) - This has got to be the most aggravating and traumatic thing I have ever experienced in my entire life and therefore I am requesting an additional $19,200.00 which is three times the attempted extortion amount, for all of my pain and suffering and also for the mere fact that all my time wasted is forever irreplaceable. 4. Blatant disregard for my credit and financial future - the companies responsible for ripping me off have no conscience and could care less about ruining someone's credit and overall financial future and this is the very reason why I am requesting an additional $2,000.00. 5. Extortion attempt (non delivery of services and the hellish nightmare) I am requesting an additional $2,000.00 (very low estimate) for all the empty promises that Mike Evans has made that went unfulfilled, for not living up to any of his claims and for verbally threatening me, all in which eventually resulted in tremendous headache, heartache and waste of precious time that can never be made up. Mike Evans (salesperson) assured me during the sale that the program would possibly yield me $10,000.00-$15,000.00 a month if I followed exactly what my coach instructed me to do, which was?? I had been following my coach's instructions from the very beginning and it was getting me nowhere fast. The instruction that I have received was nonsense to say the least. What exactly did my coach instruct me to do? We were approximately midway through our ten scheduled sessions and my coach had still not given me any pertinent information regarding tax liens or real estate in general, for example: If a purchase was too risky or not. How to determine if the expected repairs on an investment would exceed my budget? Would the marketing duration be too long, consuming my cash with carrying costs? How to get an immediate return on my investment, what tax certificates are and the benefits of obtaining them, where to find tax certificates and how to obtain them, how to use other peoples money or anything else that had been agreed upon. I have received only three websites, instructions on how to get to each of them, and the green light to start bidding. YEEAH!! LIKE ANYONE IN THEIR RIGHT MIND WOULD DO SO WITH SUCH LITTLE OR NO INFORMATION!! By hanging out at Borders books for a few days you could very well obtain ten times the information that I have received, in only half the time, all free of charge. 6. Misc. Printing, postage, ware and tear on my computer, shipping and handling the materials back and fourth and all other related expenses that I have incurred as a result of this matter and any and all other expense or expenses that I incur in the future as a result of this matter (to date approximately $300.00). I would really appreciate it if my requests are met within a week from the date this report is posted. Total $31,900.00 (NEGOTIABLE) in addition to the original $6,400.00 they attempted to extort from me. I AM LEAVING THE DOOR WIDE OPEN AND BEING REALLY FLEXIBLE IN NEGOTIATING A SETTLEMENT WITHIN THE FIRST WEEK TO ALLOW THE COMPANIES THAT ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR RIPPING ME OFF THE OPPORTUNITY TO FINALLY STEP FOWARD AND TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR THEIR WRONG DOING. THIS WILL SHOW THE ENTIRE WORLD WHAT THEY ARE TRULY MADE OF. I AM GOING TO CONTINUALLY KEEP THE ENTIRE WORLD POSTED ON WHAT'S GOING ON. I ALSO HAVE THE ABILITY TO INSTRUCT THE badbusinessbureau.com TO INCLUDE THESE COMPANIES IN THEIR PUBLICATION, A MASSIVE MAILING OF RIP-OFF COMPANIES REACHING MILLIONS. MY STORY WOULD ALSO MAKE AWESOME MEDIA COVERAGE. THIS UPDATED REPORT IS NOT A THREAT OR ATTEMPT TO BLACKMAIL. It's entirely up to the companies responsible for ripping me off whether they want to settle this matter or not and they have the right to continue their crooked business, just as I have my right (FIRST AND FOURTEENTH AMENDMENT) to continue my pursuit for fair compensation, retribution, and justice for all. I HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO PROBLEM CONTINUING TO EXERCISE MY CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS AND WILL CONTINUE TO DO SO FOR HOWEVER LONG IT TAKES. THIS IS NOT A RANSOM NOTE DEMANDING PAYMENT. This report is merely a request for what I strongly believe is fair for all the BULL SH%T and hell that I have blatantly been put through. Everything that I'm doing now and will continue to do in my relentless campaign is well within the law. The companies responsible for ripping me off have the right to continue blowing me off for as long as they wish, but I am never going away. I am now going to continue updating my reports until the day I am buried six feet under. Whether my future reports are positive or not will be solely determined by the companies sincerity and willingness to negotiate, for this unpleasant situation has caused me tremendous suffering. I am not out to destroy or ruin the businesses responsible for ripping me off; therefore I take ABSOLUTELY NO responsibility should they experience a tremendous decrease in business volume. THINK ABOUT IT, ANY LEGITIMATE BUSINESS WOULD WANT TO RECTIFY A SITUATION SUCH AS THIS ONE WHILE CLEARING THEIR NAME AND WOULDN'T BE SO NONCHALANT ABOUT RIPPING PEOPLE OFF. Failure to comply with my request within a week from this reports posting date will only further anger me and make it very necessary to up my request. I will be forced to double the entire amount while adding an additional $1,500.00 a week, each and every week, to cover all expenses that I incur in the future relating to this matter (basically to cover my a*s) and to make absolutely sure that these thugs never take advantage of myself or anyone else again. I have the ability to update my report(s) and reflect their good business practices by explaining that their eagerness to satisfy my complaint and make things right will be seen by the entire world. Failure to respond and rectify the situation will also be seen. I HAVE NO PROBLEM CONTINUING TO EXERCIZE MY CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS. EVERY COMPANY RECEIVES COMPLAINTS, HOW EACH OF THEM GOES ABOUT HANDLING THEM IS A WHOLE DIFFERENT STORY AND IS ULTIMETELY WHAT SEPARATES LEGITIMATE BUSINESSES FROM FRAUDULENT BUSINESSES. Bad reports that are filed on Rip Off Report which averages one-two million hits per day and also receive tons of media coverage which may have a tremendous and overwhelming effect on someone's business volume while also severely impacting all other businesses that are trying to sell similar programs via paid infomercial. This possibility lies squarely on the shoulders of the companies responsible for ripping me off. For they will be fully responsible for what happens from here on out. THIS IS NOT AN OR ELSE REPORT OR AN ATTEMPT TO BLACKMAIL. Everything that I have stated in all of my reports is 100% actual and factual and has actually happened to me. I have every right to be angry and deserve some kind of compensation for all my precious time wasted that I can never get back. For me to walk away from this situation would be totally irresponsible on my part. ACCIDENT VICTIMS OFTEN RECEIVE MUCH HIGHER FIGURES, BUT WHAT HAPPENED TO MYSELF ALONG WITH MANY OTHERS WAS NO ACCIDENT. If you are new to this website and my report in particular and had an interest in purchasing The Free and Clear Real Estate program that you have just seen on an infomercial, I strongly recommend you don't until each and every complaint on Rip Off Report is acknowledged and settled. UNTIL THEN IT REMAINS A SCAM!! There's ten or so rip off reports on the companies responsible for selling the Free And Clear Real Estate Program posted on this website and another twenty or so complaints on another website pertaining to infomercial scams and it's not mere coincidence. There are striking similarities in all of the reports that I've seen so far on this website, as well as a few other websites. Rip-off reports pertaining to the companies responsible for ripping me off appeared to have slowed down, but don't allow it to persuade your decision into ordering the program. If I were involved with this scam in anyway, I'd want to lay low for a while myself. The only thing that should interest you at this time is whether or not the companies responsible for ripping me off is willing to satisfy all of their victims complaints. DON'T EVER ALLOW TEMPORARY ABSENCE AND OR SILENCE TO FOOL YOU INTO THINKING THAT A COMPANY HAS MOVED ON AND IS NOW DOING WONDERFUL THINGS. Avoid any and all companies that try to lure you into investing thousands of dollars into mentoring programs of any kind, especially if they have a no refund policy. NOW I KNOW WHY THEY HAVE A NO REFUND POLICY!! This mentoring service is NONREFUNDABLE, so avoid it at all cost!! NOW I ALSO KNOW WHY THEY ARE ABLE TO CHARGE EVERYONE A DIFFERENT PRICE FOR THE SAME BOGUS MENTORING. In the beginning and at the time of sale the person that is responsible for ripping you off will ask you a series of questions, mostly pertaining to your credit and credit history. The salesperson will also ask you things like, how many credit cards you own, the balance on each of them, your credit limit on each, etc, etc. THEY ARE REALLY ONLY INTERESTED IN TYING UP AS MUCH OF YOUR MONEY AS THEY POSSIBLY CAN WHILE CREATING DELAY HOPING TO DISCOURAGE YOU INTO TAKING ACTION. THE SALEPEOPLE ARE ALSO VERY ADAMENT ABOUT HAVING YOU MAKE AN URGENT DECISION SO THAT YOU DON'T RESEARCH THEM ON THE WEB AND SO THAT YOU ARE UNABLE TO MAKE AN INFORMED AND INTELLIGENT DECISION. If you invest in their mentoring, they will hold your money hostage for as long as necessary until it is really difficult or near impossible for you to get a refund. There is also a really good reason why infomercial companies hire third party call centers to sell their crap, while wanting consumers to believe that it's entirely due to their high volume of sales. The high volume sales may be true, however it's not the main reason for doing so. The main reason for doing so is to make it really difficult to near impossible for consumers to get a hold of the person who is responsible for perpetuating the scam. Believe me, it is near impossible to get a hold of someone at the companies responsible for ripping me off, especially if he or she is on to your suspicion. They are constantly changing and or disconnecting their phone lines. I WONDER WHY?? There's also no phone numbers posted on any of the company's websites. I WONDER WHY?? Mike Evans who is the salesperson who sold me this joke boasted that the program has a 94% success rate. If that were true we would see a new infomercial more frequently. C'mon, if any of the money making infomercial companies really had the know how and ability to help people make the kind of profits they claim they can, they would have nothing to gain by teaching complete strangers to do the same. The objectives of the companies responsible for ripping me off are as follows 1. Sell as many programs (resembles children's coloring books) as they possibly can through the use of misrepresentation, deception, and coercion (deceiving PAID infomercials). 2. Sell as many people as they possibly can on their bogus mentoring program through the use of misrepresentation, deception and coercion. 3. Once they have your investment, they will continue to just go through the motions while giving you the run around in hopes that your dispute rights expire. 4. Once you the victim realize you have been taken; the salesperson will immediately turn on you. The same person who seemed genuinely interested in your success from the beginning will become your worst enemy and have no problem stiffing you. Some of the things that came out of Mike Evans mouth were you're not getting a refund Reid and the last thing that I would do if I were you Reid is contact your credit card's dispute department because we will sue you if you do you may even need to spend some jail time for making fraudulent claims against our company, even when I haven't. This company has nothing on me or any one else. DON'T BE AFRAID OF THREATS OF LAWSUITS!! THE FACT THAT A COMPANY WOULD RESORT TO USING THREATS OF LAWSUITS IN THE FIRST PLACE SHOULD TELL YOU SOMETHING. Have you ever been threatened by the little old lady behind a Macy's counter because you were unhappy with a product? GUESS WHAT? THEY AINT SWEEPING ME UNDER ANY RUG!! I can't believe the arrogance of the salespeople who are selling this crap. They think that it's ok to just walk away from the situation like nothing ever happened. Sorry to say something did happen, too me!! And I'm not going to turn a blind eye and pretend that nothing happened, because by doing so I would be allowing others to be victimized, and that would make me just as guilty. We all need to band together and put an end to all the ridiculous scams out there before it get too out of hand, because if nothing else it's a nuisance. Make sure to notify and direct as many people as you possibly can to this website. It is the best thing that you can do for a loved one because as you can see from all the messages posted, you could literally save a loved one thousands of dollars and all the unnecessary heartache. Even notify and direct people from the business that wronged you to this website, because by doing so you take away the excuse of them not being aware of all the rip-off reports and other complaints against them and also make them more likely to respond to all consumer grievances. Hopefully one day in the future we could have a government agency put in place to detect fraud and stop it before it even starts or at least in it's early stages and not when thousands of people have already been jacked. This government agency would be able to investigate and screen all businesses before they are allowed to scam hundreds or even thousands. This way all the scumbags would be filtered out. The agencies that exist today are way too backed up and have a really difficult time stopping fraudulent businesses, until hundreds or even thousands of people have already been scammed. By this time it's often too late and many victims will never recover their money. The agencies that are in place today are well too after the fact and only gather complaints. OH YEAH, ABOUT THE BETTER BUSINESS BUREAU? FORGET IT!! WHO PAYS THEM, YOURSELF OR CROOKED BUSINESSES? The Better Business Bureau is far more in favor of protecting businesses than they are consumers and don't you let anyone tell you otherwise. Just because you see a Better Business Bureau plaque hanging on a wall or storefront window, it doesn't mean a business is legitimate. The plaque is store bought, sort of like the president of a major league ball club going out and purchasing a trophy for the franchise to display. The Better Business bureau protects any and all businesses regardless of a company's history, as long as the company remains a member and pays their dues. The Better Business Bureau wants consumers to believe that their primary reason for existing is to screen and monitor businesses. Before you leave this website make sure to read all the other reports pertaining to these crooks. REMEMBER, USING THIS WEBSITE TO REASEARCH A COMPANY BEFORE SUBJECTING YOURSELF TO A SCAM IS POSSIBLY THE BEST THING YOU COULD HAVE DONE FOR YOURSELF. THE BEST GIFT THAT YOU COULD POSSIBLY SHARE WITH SOMEONE IS ALL THE GENUINE RIP-OFFS THAT ARE POSTED ON THIS WEBSITE. SO DON'T FORGET TO REFER AS MANY PEOPLE AS YOU POSSIBLY CAN TO THE BAD BUSINESS BUREAU. THEY WILL LOVE YOU FOR IT!! ALSO, REFER AS MANY PEOPLE FROM THE BUSINESS THAT WRONGED YOU TO THIS WEBSITE, BECAUSE BY DOING SO YOU TAKE AWAY THE EXCUSE OF THEM NOT BEING AWARE OF ALL THE RIP-OFF REPORTS AND ALL OTHER COMPLAINTS AGAIST THEM AND ALSO MAKE THEM MORE LIKELY TO RESPOND TO ALL CONSUMER GRIEVANCES. I have participated in numerous moneymaking programs and they were all relatively the same. Most that I have ordered were only interested in finding people to advertise for them in local and national newspapers or to invest thousands of dollars into mentoring or purchasing a website and merchant account. Nonetheless, there was always a catch and always is. Don't ever be fooled into thinking that your only investment is the one that appears on your television screen. The programs that are sold on infomercials are only a deceptive door opener in order to get your attention. Companies that advertise via paid infomercials are not required to and never discloses the fact that there are always further expenses in addition to their program such as expensive websites, merchant accounts, and bogus mentoring programs which teaches you nothing. Companies that choose to advertise via paid infomercials should be required by law to have to state that a substantial investment is required in order to succeed with their program, because without a huge investment their program is worth no more than the paper it's printed on and in most cases the toilet paper you wipe your a*s with. By them not having to disclose hidden charges is totally deceiving and misleading). All companies should also be required to implement some kind of refund policy and state it behind any and all contracts. Too many companies try to enforce a no refund policy in attempt to use it (as a weapon) against an individual to try and legally extort money. IF A COMPANY HAS A NO REFUND POLICY, YOU CAN REST ASSURED THAT THEY'RE INTENTIONS ARE NOT GOOD. ASSUME IT'S A SCAM BECAUSE IT IS. When you inevitably discover you have been taken it is near impossible to get relief, because companies that practice this kind of dirty tactics structures each and every one of their transactions in such a way that the law barely remains on their side and their transactions are just legal enough. They are taking advantage of any and all loopholes in your state and federal laws and using it in their favor to sell their bogus program. They are taking advantage of unsuspecting consumers ignorance of the rules and laws that are supposed to protect us by structuring transactions to their advantage while trying to strip their victims of their rights and protections that are often inadvertently overlooked or taken for granted. I have never been treated with so much disinterest and disrespect in my entire life. THE CHARGES ARE PRESENTLY IN DISPUTE, HOWEVER, IF THE COMPANIES THAT ARE RESPOSIBLE FOR RIPPING ME OFF DECIDES TO DISPUTE MY DISPUTE, A COPY OF THEIR MERCHANT'S RESPONSE WILL BE FOWARDED TO ME FOR MY REVIEW. I'M GOING TO POST A SUMMARY OF THE REVIEW ON MY FOLLOW UP RIP OFF REPORT WITH FULL DETAILS AND EXPLAIN EXACTLY HOW AND WHY THEY WERE ABLE TO WIN OR LOSE THEIR DISPUTE. THE WHOLE WORLD WILL BE ABLE TO WITNESS THE ENTIRE RIP OFF UNFOLD. I'M GOING TO POST EXACTLY HOW AND WHY THEY SUCCEEDED OR FAILED IN JACKING ME. I'M GOING TO INCLUDE ALL THIS INFORMATION IN MY FOLLOWING REPORT AS THEY BECOME AVAILABLE TO ME, SO THAT EVERYONE WILL KNOW EXACTLY HOW THE FINE PRINT WE INADVERTANTLY OVERLOOK AND IS OFTEN NOT AWARE OF IS EVENTUALLY USED AGAINST US AND TO THE COMPANIES ADVANTAGE. THEIR ENTIRE METHOD OF RIPPING PEOPLE OFF WILL FINALLY BE EXPOSED. IT'S REALLY STRANGE TO ME HOW SOME CONSUMERS ARE ABLE TO WIN THEIR DISPUTE, WHILE OTHERS LOSE. THIS IN ITSELF TELLS YOU THAT THEY WIN SOME OF THEIR DISPUTES DUE TO TECNICALITIES. SOMETHING IS REALLY INCONSISTENT ABOUT THIS, BUT NOW THE ENTIRE WORLD WILL KNOW EXACTLY WHY THEY SHOULD AVOID TELEPHONE MENTORING OF ANY KIND. IT SIMPLY DOES NOT EXIST AT THIS TIME. THINK ABOUT IT, EVEN IF THEY WERE ABLE TO MENTOR SOMEONE OVER THE PHONE, WHAT WOULD THEY HAVE TO GAIN BY TEACHING A COMPLETE STRANGER TO DO THE SAME? I WILL FOREVER KEEP EVERYONE POSTED FROM TIME TO TIME ON EXACTLY WHAT IS GOING ON. IT IS NOW MY DUTY TO WARN AND PROTECT THE PUBLIC. THE WORLD HAS A RIGHT TO KNOW AND I AM ITS NEW SPOKESPERSON. I HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO PROBLEM CONTINUING TO EXERCIZE MY CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS. DON'T EVER SIGN UP FOR ANY MENTORING PROGRAMS!! MENTORING PROGAMS RAKE IN HUGE PROFITS, BECAUSE IT IS STRUCTURED ON A MATHMATICAL SYSTEM THAT REQUIRES A GREAT NUMBER OF PEOPLE TO LOSE HUGE SUMS OF MONEY BEFORE ANYONE GETS EVEN CLOSE TO MAKING ANY. ONCE THIS HAPPENS REPEATEDELY, THE FRAUDULENT COMPANY EVENTUALLY CLOSES SHOP, JUMPS SHIP AND REPEATS THE SAME SCAM ALL OVER AGAIN UNDER A DIFFERENT COMPANY NAME. SO FAR, THE COMPANIES THAT'S RESPONSIBLE FOR RIPPING ME OFF SUBMITTED TWO RIDICULOUS COUNTER CLAIMS AGAINST MY DISPUTE AND SHOWS NO SIGN OF LETTING UP. THEY WERE TRYING TO FORCE ME INTO KEEPING THE GARBAGE THAT THEY SOLD ME ALONG WITH THEIR NON-EXISTANT AND BOGUS MENTORING IN HOPES THAT I SOMEDAY BOW OUT AND GIVE IN TO THEIR STRONG ARMING. AS A MATTER OF FACT, FROM NOW ON, ANY MORE TIME OF MINES THAT THEY WASTE SUBMITTING RIDICULOUS COUNTER CLAIMS, I AM INCREASING MY REQUEST BY $10,000.00. THIS WILL BE ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY, FOR I DON'T HAVE ALL THE TIME, MONEY AND HOT SHOT LAWYERS (THAT WOULD LIE TO PROTECT ME) AS THEY DO. THEY HAVE WASTED ENOUGH OF MY TIME AND DUE TO MY SOMETIMES HECTIC SCHEDULE FIND IT VERY DIFFICULT TO MEET THE STRICT DEADLINES FOR KEEPING MY DISPUTE ACTIVE, SO I NEED TO PUT THIS ON AUTOPILOT FOR A WHILE UNTIL I GET MY LIFE BACK ON TRACK. THAT IS PARTIALLY THE REASON FOR ALL OF MY LONG AND SOMEWHAT REDUNDANT REPORTS. NO AMOUNT OF MONEY COULD EVER BUY BACK THE FOUR OR FIVE MOTHS OF MY LIFE THAT HAS BEEN WASTED. All of my reports have been revised and or edited for purposes of space. I have tremendous confidence that one fine day everyone will automatically be able to associate infomercials with scams and that infomercials will be remembered as only a nightmarish thing of the past. JUST SAY NO TO ALL DECEPTIVE AND EVIL INFOMERCIALS!! One day in the very near future I will submit all of my reports unedited and in it's original text. Be sure to check out all other reports on John Beck, P.M.I. (Professional Marketing International) coaching. Also, check out all reports having to do with Robert Allen and P.M.G. (Professional Marketing Group). They offer a very similar mentoring program as John Beck's and they follow a very similar script. Upon reading a copy of their sales script on a report that had been posted by an ex-employee of the company, I felt as though I had been reliving the nightmare all over again. Thanks again for taking the time to read my new report and until next time, Take Care & God Bless. GLOSSARY OF WORDS AND THEIR DEFINITONS CONSUMERS NEVER WISH TO HEAR WHEN DECIDING TO DO BUSINESS WITH A COMPANY. COERCION: TO FORCE TO ACT OR THINK IN A CERTAIN WAY BY USE OF PRESSURE, THREATS, OR INTIMIDATION; COMPEL. DECEPTIVE: TO CAUSE TO BEIEVE WHAT IS NOT TRUE; MISLEAD. TO GIVE A FALSE IMPRESSION. WHEN PEOPLE HIDE THE TRUTH, ESPECIALLY TO GAIN AN ADVANTAGE. EXTORTION: TO OBTAIN SOMETHING BY FORCE OR THREAT, OR WITH DIFFICULTY. THE ACT OR INSTANCE OF EXTORTING. TO OBTAIN FROM ANOTHER BY COERCION OR INTIMIDATION. AN EXCESSIVE OR EXORBITANT CHARGE. FRAUD: THE INTENTIONAL DECEPTION OF A PERSON FOR THE PURPOSE OF DEPRIVING HIM OR HER OF PROPERTY OR CAUSING HIM OR HER INJURY IN ANYWAY. OBTAINING MONEY BY DECEIVING PEOPLE. A DECEPTION DELIBERATELY PRACTICED IN ORDER TO SECURE UNFAIR OR UNLAWFUL GAIN. MISREPRESENTATION: TO GIVE AN INCORRECT REPRESENTATION OF. TO DESCRIBE FALSELY AN IDEA, OPINION OR SITUATION OR THE OPINIONS OF SOMEONE OFTEN IN ORDER TO OBTAIN AN ADVANTAGE. ROBBERY: THE ACT OF OR INSTANCE OF TAKING THE PROPERTY OF ANOTHER BY THE USE OF VIOLENCE OR INTIMIDATION. SUMMARY OF MY SITUATION: 1. THE COMPANIES RESPONSIBLE FOR RIPPING ME OFF SOLD ME ON BOGUS MENTORING THROUGHT THE USE OF DECEPTION, MISREPRESENTATION AND COERCION. 2. THE COMPANIES RESPONSIBLE FOR RIPPING ME OFF DID NOT SEND ME ANY COPY OF SIGNED CONTRACT OR AGREEMENT. 3. THE COMPANIES RESPONSIBLE FOR RIPPING ME OFF KEPT CHANGING AND OR DISCONNECTING PHONE LINES, GIVING ME THE RUN AROUND AND MAKING NO ATTEMPT TO PROMPTLY RETURN MY PHONE CALLS. AND FOR SOME REALLY ODD REASON THEY SEND THEIR MATERIALS FROM MANY DIFFERENT ADDRESSES AND HAVE NO PHONE NUMBERS LISTED ON THEIR WEBSITE. 4.THE COMPANIES RESPONSIBLE FOR RIPPING ME OFF DID NOT LIVE UP TO ANY OF THEIR CLAIMS. 5. THE COMPANIES RESPONSIBLE FOR RIPPING ME OFF WERE OBVIOUSLY CREATING DELAYS IN HOPES TO DISCOURAGE ME TO TAKE ACTION AND ALSO IN HOPES TO SOMEHOW GET ME ON A TRANSACTION TECHNICALITY. 6. INSTEAD OF ACKNOWLEDGING AND AGREEING TO RECTIFY THE SITUATION IN A PROFESSIONAL MANNER, MIKE EVANS PROCEEDED TO THREATEN ME WITH LAWSUITS IN ATTEMPT TO TURN THE TABLES AND MAKE ME OUT TO BE THE BAD GUY INSTEAD OF THE VICTIM. P.S. Please stay tuned for my future write-ups regarding many other scams out there including, but not limited to rebate scams, fraudulent modeling agencies and any and all agencies that charge an upfront fee. Any company or companies that charge a fee of any kind is a flat out scam, no matter how they decide to disguise it. Enrollment fee, start up fee, membership fee, processing fee etc. that's normally associated with all the bogus envelope stuffing programs, medical billings, assembling of crafts, so on, and so on. THESE ARE ALL SCAMS!! Nothing irritates me more than constantly seeing these scams in newspaper classifieds, my flooded mailbox and magazines. Think about it, it's like having to pay a company to be on their payroll. YOU ARE WORKING FOR THEM!! ALL LEGITIMATE COMPANIES DON'T CHARGE ANY FEES OVER AND ABOVE MATERIAL COSTS IN ATTEMPT TO PROFIT FROM ENROLLMENTS. When was the last time you paid an employer to be put on their company's payroll? SCAM I TELL YOU!! Also, if you ever see a company that is offering a disc that supposedly contains 500 or more companies and or business opportunities, don't order it. There's a fat chance that even one of the offers is legitimate. They should actually title these discs 499 scams to avoid. I feel that this is the honest thing for them to do and that they would probably sell a lot more discs this way. Don't ever send a fee to a company. All businesses that require a fee of any kind is only in the business of selling information and or interested in finding people to advertise for their company. LEGITIMATE COMPANIES DO NOT CHARGE FEES OVER AND ABOVE MATERIAL COSTS. IN FACT, MOST LEGITIMATE COMPANIES WONT EVEN CHARGE FOR THEIR MATERIALS. WHY SHOULD THEY?? DON'T EVER FALL FOR A THIRD PARTY COMPANY CLAIMING THAT THEY CAN REFER YOU TOO OTHER COMPANIES WHO ARE LOOKING FOR HOMEWORKERS. CLEARLY A SCAM!! COMPANIES THAT ARE INTERESTED IN FINDING HOMEWORKERS ARE ABLE TO DO SO ON THEIR OWN AND WOULD DEFINETELY NOT NEED THE ASSISTANCE OF A THIRD PARTY COMPANY TO DO THE LEG WORK FOR THEM. AGAIN, THESE THIRD PARTY COMPANIES ARE ONLY IN BUSINESS OF SELLING USELESS AND OFTEN VERY OUTDATED INFORMATION. Anyways, it's about time for me to exit, but as I have promised I will keep everyone posted on exactly what companies I have been involved with, their objective, why I feel they should be avoided, etc, etc. I will also keep everyone informed regarding the companies presently responsible for ripping me off. Until next time take care cause I care, Aloha from Hawaii and God Bless. UPDATE: TODAY'S DATE IS THURSDAY FEBRUARY 26,2004 AND THE TIME NOW IS APPROXIMATELY 11:35 AM HAWAII TIME. I VE JUST RECEIVED A LETTER THROUGH THE MAIL FROM MY CREDIT CARD COMPANY'S DISPUTE DEPARTMENT AND IT APPEARS AS THOUGH THE FRAUDULENT COMPANIES THAT ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR RIPPING ME OFF HAVE SUBMITTED A COUNTER CLAIM TO MY DISPUTE. I SHOULD RECEIVE FULL DETAILS THROUGH THE MAIL ANYDAY NOW AND WILL NOT HESITATE TO POST ALL DETAILS ON EXACTLY WHAT IT IS THEY ARE ATTEMPTING TO DO. MY CREDIT CARD COMPANY COULDN'T EVEN LOCATE AND GIVE ME AN ADDRESS FOR THIS MERCHANT OR THEY'RE WHEREABOUTS. HOW BIZARRE IS THAT?? UPDATE: TODAY'S DATE IS FRIDAY FEBRUARY 27, 2004 AND I HAVE FINALLY RECEIVED A COPY OF THE SIGNED CONTRACT AND AGREEMENT THAT I HAVE SENT TO THE COMPANY AS PER THEIR REQUEST. HOW WEIRD THOUGH, IT DID NOT COME FROM THE PEOPLE RESPONSIBLE FOR RIPPING ME OFF, BUT RATHER FROM MY VISA DISPUTE DEPARTMENT IN THE CROOKED MERCHANTS EFFORT TO DISPUTE MY DISPUTE. AS I HAVE MENTIONED IN EARLIER SUBMISSIONS, I'VE NEVER RECEIVED A COPY OF THE SIGNED CONTRACT PRIOR TO THIS. NOW YOU KNOW WHY! THE CONTRACTS ARE KEPT AS A WEAPON AND IN THEIR POSSESION TO BE LATER USED AGAINST YOU AND TO THEIR ADVANTAGE JUST AS I HAVE SAID MANY TIMES BEFORE. FOUR AND A HALF MONTHS HAVE EXPIRED AND THE COMPANY COULD NOT SEND ME A COPY, BUT WHEN THEY NEED TO SUBMIT A COUNTER CLAIM, OH WELL IT'S A WHOLE DIFERENT STORY. THIS PROVES MY POINT. THIS IS BECAUSE THEY KNOW THEY ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR NOT HOLDING UP THEIR END OF THE BARGAIN, BUT WANT TO MAKE ABSOLUTE SURE THAT THEY ARE STILL ABLE TO RECEIVE MONEY FOR PARTIAL OR LITERALLY NO SERVICES RENDERED. EVERYTHING IS SLOWLY STARTING TO TAKE SHAPE ON IT'S OWN. ON A BOX LOCATED ON THE FRONT OF THE CONTRACT YOU ARE INSTRUCTED TO PLEASE SIGN, DATE AND RETURN THE FORM TO THEIR OFFICE, WHICH IS LOCATED AT THE TOP OF THE CONTRACT. THEIR MAILING ADDRESSS IS P.O. BOX 3685 BURBANK CALIFORNIA 91504. MENTORING OFFICE WHERE THEY GIVE YOU THE RUN AROUND AND NEVER RETURNS YOUR PHONE CALLS: (888) 909-8168 FACSIMILE (818) 767-3400. FAX THEM COPIES OF ALL RIP- OFF REPORTS TO LET THEM KNOW THAT THE WORLD IS BEING WARNED THROUGH A REAL LIFE JOURNAL. TODAY I AM GOING TO THE POST OFFICE TO RETURN THE PACKAGE TO THE COMPANY. IN CASE YOU ARE WONDERING WHY I WAITED SO LONG TO DO SO, I MUST EXPLAIN TO YOU THAT I DON'T TRUST ANYONE AT ANY ONE OF THESE ADDRESSES. FOR I HAVE HEARD NUMEROUS COMPLAINTS ABOUT PEOPLE RETURNING THEIR PACKAGES AND NEVER HEARING FROM THE COMPANY EVER AGAIN. IN FACT THERE ARE EVEN STORIES OF CONSUMERS THAT WERE LATER BILLED FOR OTHER ITEMS WITHOUT THEIR KNOWLEDGE AND OR CONSENT. I AM SENDING BACK THE ORIGINAL CONTENTS BACK TO FAMILY PRODUCTS 12843 MUSCATINE ST. ARLETA, CA 91330. I AM ALSO SENDING THREE SOFTWARES (PART OF MENTORING AGREEMENT) BACK TO ADDRESS LISTED ABOVE). I CAN ALMOST SMELL WHAT'S COMING NEXT AS THESE COMPANIES ARE BECOMING MORE AND MORE PREDICTABLE. DURING THE TIME IN WHICH MIKE EVANS THREATENED TO SUE ME, WE GOT INTO SORT OF A HEATED EXCHANGE. HE THEN INSTRUCTED (SUCKERED) ME INTO OPENING ONE OF THE SOFTWARES UP TAX VANTAGE 4.0. LOCATED ON THE BACK OF THE SOFTWARE ARE STIPULATIONS AND ONE OF THEM JUST HAPPENS TO BE, NO OPEN BOX RETURNS. THIS IN ITSELF DID NOT BOTHER ME THOUGH, AS THE SOFTWARE COULD IN NO WAY BE WORTH MORE THEN $10.00 OR SO AND THAT IT WILL EVENTUALLY PAY FOR ITSELF THROUGH MY REQUESTED FIGURE. I HAVE PROOF THAT I HAVN'T USED THE SOFTWARE EVEN THOUGH IT HAS BEEN OPENED. LOCATED ON THE INSIDE OF THE BOX IS A NUMBER TO CALL WHEN YOU ARE READY TO GET STARTED IN THE CLUB. IF REASERCHED AND INVESTIGATED CORRECTLY THEY WILL DISCOVER THAT I HAVE NEVER CALLED THE NUMBER AND SIGNED UP WITH THE CLUB. I COULDN'T HAVE BURNED A COPY OR LOANED IT TO A FRIEND, BECAUSE THE DISC ITSELF IS USELESS JUST LIKE THEIR PROGRAM IS, WITHOUT REGISTERING YOURSELF INTO AN ADDITIONAL PROGRAM. BUT LIKE I SAID, I'VE ALREADY RETURNED EVERYTHING AND HAD NOT REGISTERED IN THEIR TAX PROGRAM, SO IF THEY TRY AN USE THE FACT THAT THE DISC HAD BEEN OPENED AGAIST ME, I WILL LET THE WORLD KNOW. TO EVERYONE OUT THERE, PLEASE NOTIFY EVERYONE YOU KNOW TO THIS WEBSITE AND RESEARCH ANY AND ALL BUINESSES BEFORE DECIDING TO DO BUSINESS WITH ANY COMPANY. ALSO, DON'T BE ASHAMED TO NOTIFY ANY AND ALL CROOKED BUSINESSES OF THEIR POPULARITY ON RIP OFF REPORT, FOR THIS MAY POSSIBLY CHANGE THEIR WAYS. UNTIL NEXT TIME TAKE CARE, ALOHA FROM HAWAII AND GOD BLESS. GOODBYE FOR NOW.

Hello to all, I hope that my newly updated message finds each and every one of you in good spirit and health. It's me again updating my message to keep you all posted on the fraudulent companies that are presently trying to scam me out of $59.98 + S&H for incomplete materials and for $6,400.00 for bogus mentoring. Today's date is Thursday February 5, 2004 and I still haven't received an apology from anyone involved with this unscrupulous and devious scam. I hope that Mike Evans (salesperson) was not planning on using the fact that I left him a message on his answering machine requesting him to stop calling my home as an excuse to why he had been blowing me off all this time, because I now feel an even greater responsibility to notify all would be victims about the companies responsible for ripping me off and their intent to rip everyone else off. Right now these con artists are just playing stupid and acting as though I'm a hard person to get a hold of, when they had absolutely no problem getting a hold of me while they were desperately trying to extort money from me. They know d**n well that there are other means of contacting me, but still they choose not to with an apology or even acknowledge the unpleasant experience. Looks as though Mike Evans (salesperson) along with the rest of the con artists may have opened a new can of worms for themselves, because I'm now going to hold them personally responsible for fully compensating me for all expenses that I have incurred to date, as well as all other expenses that I incur from here on out relating to this matter. I cannot and will not waste any more of my time chasing money that these crooked companies are trying to extort from me. Compensation includes, but is not limited to 1. Time wasted - for the past four months or so, I have been unable to do any of the things that I really enjoy doing as a result of being a victim of this scam. I also had a very shoddy Christmas and still suffer from what I believe is post holiday blues. I am requesting $6,400.00, which is the amount of my investment for time wasted. 2. Work for the past four months or so, I have been unable to work full time at my job and had much too little time to search for a fulltime job, due to the labor intense responsibilities of trying to chase and recover the $6,400.00 that was being extorted from me. I am requesting an additional $2,000.00 (very low estimate) the difference had I been working full time. 3. Aggravation (mental anguish, stress, inconvenience, anxiety, insomnia and many other health related problems that may very well be linked to all the stress and worry these companies have caused, such as an increase in hair loss, depression, fatigue and many sleepless nights) - This has got to be the most aggravating and traumatic thing I have ever experienced in my entire life and therefore I am requesting an additional $19,200.00 which is three times the attempted extortion amount, for all of my pain and suffering and also for the mere fact that all my time wasted is forever irreplaceable. 4. Blatant disregard for my credit and financial future - the companies responsible for ripping me off have no conscience and could care less about ruining someone's credit and overall financial future and this is the very reason why I am requesting an additional $2,000.00. 5. Extortion attempt (non delivery of services and the hellish nightmare) I am requesting an additional $2,000.00 (very low estimate) for all the empty promises that Mike Evans has made that went unfulfilled, for not living up to any of his claims and for verbally threatening me, all in which eventually resulted in tremendous headache, heartache and waste of precious time that can never be made up. Mike Evans (salesperson) assured me during the sale that the program would possibly yield me $10,000.00-$15,000.00 a month if I followed exactly what my coach instructed me to do, which was?? I had been following my coach's instructions from the very beginning and it was getting me nowhere fast. The instruction that I have received was nonsense to say the least. What exactly did my coach instruct me to do? We were approximately midway through our ten scheduled sessions and my coach had still not given me any pertinent information regarding tax liens or real estate in general, for example: If a purchase was too risky or not. How to determine if the expected repairs on an investment would exceed my budget? Would the marketing duration be too long, consuming my cash with carrying costs? How to get an immediate return on my investment, what tax certificates are and the benefits of obtaining them, where to find tax certificates and how to obtain them, how to use other peoples money or anything else that had been agreed upon. I have received only three websites, instructions on how to get to each of them, and the green light to start bidding. YEEAH!! LIKE ANYONE IN THEIR RIGHT MIND WOULD DO SO WITH SUCH LITTLE OR NO INFORMATION!! By hanging out at Borders books for a few days you could very well obtain ten times the information that I have received, in only half the time, all free of charge. 6. Misc. Printing, postage, ware and tear on my computer, shipping and handling the materials back and fourth and all other related expenses that I have incurred as a result of this matter and any and all other expense or expenses that I incur in the future as a result of this matter (to date approximately $300.00). I would really appreciate it if my requests are met within a week from the date this report is posted. Total $31,900.00 (NEGOTIABLE) in addition to the original $6,400.00 they attempted to extort from me. I AM LEAVING THE DOOR WIDE OPEN AND BEING REALLY FLEXIBLE IN NEGOTIATING A SETTLEMENT WITHIN THE FIRST WEEK TO ALLOW THE COMPANIES THAT ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR RIPPING ME OFF THE OPPORTUNITY TO FINALLY STEP FOWARD AND TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR THEIR WRONG DOING. THIS WILL SHOW THE ENTIRE WORLD WHAT THEY ARE TRULY MADE OF. I AM GOING TO CONTINUALLY KEEP THE ENTIRE WORLD POSTED ON WHAT'S GOING ON. I ALSO HAVE THE ABILITY TO INSTRUCT THE badbusinessbureau.com TO INCLUDE THESE COMPANIES IN THEIR PUBLICATION, A MASSIVE MAILING OF RIP-OFF COMPANIES REACHING MILLIONS. MY STORY WOULD ALSO MAKE AWESOME MEDIA COVERAGE. THIS UPDATED REPORT IS NOT A THREAT OR ATTEMPT TO BLACKMAIL. It's entirely up to the companies responsible for ripping me off whether they want to settle this matter or not and they have the right to continue their crooked business, just as I have my right (FIRST AND FOURTEENTH AMENDMENT) to continue my pursuit for fair compensation, retribution, and justice for all. I HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO PROBLEM CONTINUING TO EXERCISE MY CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS AND WILL CONTINUE TO DO SO FOR HOWEVER LONG IT TAKES. THIS IS NOT A RANSOM NOTE DEMANDING PAYMENT. This report is merely a request for what I strongly believe is fair for all the BULL SH%T and hell that I have blatantly been put through. Everything that I'm doing now and will continue to do in my relentless campaign is well within the law. The companies responsible for ripping me off have the right to continue blowing me off for as long as they wish, but I am never going away. I am now going to continue updating my reports until the day I am buried six feet under. Whether my future reports are positive or not will be solely determined by the companies sincerity and willingness to negotiate, for this unpleasant situation has caused me tremendous suffering. I am not out to destroy or ruin the businesses responsible for ripping me off; therefore I take ABSOLUTELY NO responsibility should they experience a tremendous decrease in business volume. THINK ABOUT IT, ANY LEGITIMATE BUSINESS WOULD WANT TO RECTIFY A SITUATION SUCH AS THIS ONE WHILE CLEARING THEIR NAME AND WOULDN'T BE SO NONCHALANT ABOUT RIPPING PEOPLE OFF. Failure to comply with my request within a week from this reports posting date will only further anger me and make it very necessary to up my request. I will be forced to double the entire amount while adding an additional $1,500.00 a week, each and every week, to cover all expenses that I incur in the future relating to this matter (basically to cover my a*s) and to make absolutely sure that these thugs never take advantage of myself or anyone else again. I have the ability to update my report(s) and reflect their good business practices by explaining that their eagerness to satisfy my complaint and make things right will be seen by the entire world. Failure to respond and rectify the situation will also be seen. I HAVE NO PROBLEM CONTINUING TO EXERCIZE MY CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS. EVERY COMPANY RECEIVES COMPLAINTS, HOW EACH OF THEM GOES ABOUT HANDLING THEM IS A WHOLE DIFFERENT STORY AND IS ULTIMETELY WHAT SEPARATES LEGITIMATE BUSINESSES FROM FRAUDULENT BUSINESSES. Bad reports that are filed on Rip Off Report which averages one-two million hits per day and also receive tons of media coverage which may have a tremendous and overwhelming effect on someone's business volume while also severely impacting all other businesses that are trying to sell similar programs via paid infomercial. This possibility lies squarely on the shoulders of the companies responsible for ripping me off. For they will be fully responsible for what happens from here on out. THIS IS NOT AN OR ELSE REPORT OR AN ATTEMPT TO BLACKMAIL. Everything that I have stated in all of my reports is 100% actual and factual and has actually happened to me. I have every right to be angry and deserve some kind of compensation for all my precious time wasted that I can never get back. For me to walk away from this situation would be totally irresponsible on my part. ACCIDENT VICTIMS OFTEN RECEIVE MUCH HIGHER FIGURES, BUT WHAT HAPPENED TO MYSELF ALONG WITH MANY OTHERS WAS NO ACCIDENT. If you are new to this website and my report in particular and had an interest in purchasing The Free and Clear Real Estate program that you have just seen on an infomercial, I strongly recommend you don't until each and every complaint on Rip Off Report is acknowledged and settled. UNTIL THEN IT REMAINS A SCAM!! There's ten or so rip off reports on the companies responsible for selling the Free And Clear Real Estate Program posted on this website and another twenty or so complaints on another website pertaining to infomercial scams and it's not mere coincidence. There are striking similarities in all of the reports that I've seen so far on this website, as well as a few other websites. Rip-off reports pertaining to the companies responsible for ripping me off appeared to have slowed down, but don't allow it to persuade your decision into ordering the program. If I were involved with this scam in anyway, I'd want to lay low for a while myself. The only thing that should interest you at this time is whether or not the companies responsible for ripping me off is willing to satisfy all of their victims complaints. DON'T EVER ALLOW TEMPORARY ABSENCE AND OR SILENCE TO FOOL YOU INTO THINKING THAT A COMPANY HAS MOVED ON AND IS NOW DOING WONDERFUL THINGS. Avoid any and all companies that try to lure you into investing thousands of dollars into mentoring programs of any kind, especially if they have a no refund policy. NOW I KNOW WHY THEY HAVE A NO REFUND POLICY!! This mentoring service is NONREFUNDABLE, so avoid it at all cost!! NOW I ALSO KNOW WHY THEY ARE ABLE TO CHARGE EVERYONE A DIFFERENT PRICE FOR THE SAME BOGUS MENTORING. In the beginning and at the time of sale the person that is responsible for ripping you off will ask you a series of questions, mostly pertaining to your credit and credit history. The salesperson will also ask you things like, how many credit cards you own, the balance on each of them, your credit limit on each, etc, etc. THEY ARE REALLY ONLY INTERESTED IN TYING UP AS MUCH OF YOUR MONEY AS THEY POSSIBLY CAN WHILE CREATING DELAY HOPING TO DISCOURAGE YOU INTO TAKING ACTION. THE SALEPEOPLE ARE ALSO VERY ADAMENT ABOUT HAVING YOU MAKE AN URGENT DECISION SO THAT YOU DON'T RESEARCH THEM ON THE WEB AND SO THAT YOU ARE UNABLE TO MAKE AN INFORMED AND INTELLIGENT DECISION. If you invest in their mentoring, they will hold your money hostage for as long as necessary until it is really difficult or near impossible for you to get a refund. There is also a really good reason why infomercial companies hire third party call centers to sell their crap, while wanting consumers to believe that it's entirely due to their high volume of sales. The high volume sales may be true, however it's not the main reason for doing so. The main reason for doing so is to make it really difficult to near impossible for consumers to get a hold of the person who is responsible for perpetuating the scam. Believe me, it is near impossible to get a hold of someone at the companies responsible for ripping me off, especially if he or she is on to your suspicion. They are constantly changing and or disconnecting their phone lines. I WONDER WHY?? There's also no phone numbers posted on any of the company's websites. I WONDER WHY?? Mike Evans who is the salesperson who sold me this joke boasted that the program has a 94% success rate. If that were true we would see a new infomercial more frequently. C'mon, if any of the money making infomercial companies really had the know how and ability to help people make the kind of profits they claim they can, they would have nothing to gain by teaching complete strangers to do the same. The objectives of the companies responsible for ripping me off are as follows 1. Sell as many programs (resembles children's coloring books) as they possibly can through the use of misrepresentation, deception, and coercion (deceiving PAID infomercials). 2. Sell as many people as they possibly can on their bogus mentoring program through the use of misrepresentation, deception and coercion. 3. Once they have your investment, they will continue to just go through the motions while giving you the run around in hopes that your dispute rights expire. 4. Once you the victim realize you have been taken; the salesperson will immediately turn on you. The same person who seemed genuinely interested in your success from the beginning will become your worst enemy and have no problem stiffing you. Some of the things that came out of Mike Evans mouth were you're not getting a refund Reid and the last thing that I would do if I were you Reid is contact your credit card's dispute department because we will sue you if you do you may even need to spend some jail time for making fraudulent claims against our company, even when I haven't. This company has nothing on me or any one else. DON'T BE AFRAID OF THREATS OF LAWSUITS!! THE FACT THAT A COMPANY WOULD RESORT TO USING THREATS OF LAWSUITS IN THE FIRST PLACE SHOULD TELL YOU SOMETHING. Have you ever been threatened by the little old lady behind a Macy's counter because you were unhappy with a product? GUESS WHAT? THEY AINT SWEEPING ME UNDER ANY RUG!! I can't believe the arrogance of the salespeople who are selling this crap. They think that it's ok to just walk away from the situation like nothing ever happened. Sorry to say something did happen, too me!! And I'm not going to turn a blind eye and pretend that nothing happened, because by doing so I would be allowing others to be victimized, and that would make me just as guilty. We all need to band together and put an end to all the ridiculous scams out there before it get too out of hand, because if nothing else it's a nuisance. Make sure to notify and direct as many people as you possibly can to this website. It is the best thing that you can do for a loved one because as you can see from all the messages posted, you could literally save a loved one thousands of dollars and all the unnecessary heartache. Even notify and direct people from the business that wronged you to this website, because by doing so you take away the excuse of them not being aware of all the rip-off reports and other complaints against them and also make them more likely to respond to all consumer grievances. Hopefully one day in the future we could have a government agency put in place to detect fraud and stop it before it even starts or at least in it's early stages and not when thousands of people have already been jacked. This government agency would be able to investigate and screen all businesses before they are allowed to scam hundreds or even thousands. This way all the scumbags would be filtered out. The agencies that exist today are way too backed up and have a really difficult time stopping fraudulent businesses, until hundreds or even thousands of people have already been scammed. By this time it's often too late and many victims will never recover their money. The agencies that are in place today are well too after the fact and only gather complaints. OH YEAH, ABOUT THE BETTER BUSINESS BUREAU? FORGET IT!! WHO PAYS THEM, YOURSELF OR CROOKED BUSINESSES? The Better Business Bureau is far more in favor of protecting businesses than they are consumers and don't you let anyone tell you otherwise. Just because you see a Better Business Bureau plaque hanging on a wall or storefront window, it doesn't mean a business is legitimate. The plaque is store bought, sort of like the president of a major league ball club going out and purchasing a trophy for the franchise to display. The Better Business bureau protects any and all businesses regardless of a company's history, as long as the company remains a member and pays their dues. The Better Business Bureau wants consumers to believe that their primary reason for existing is to screen and monitor businesses. Before you leave this website make sure to read all the other reports pertaining to these crooks. REMEMBER, USING THIS WEBSITE TO REASEARCH A COMPANY BEFORE SUBJECTING YOURSELF TO A SCAM IS POSSIBLY THE BEST THING YOU COULD HAVE DONE FOR YOURSELF. THE BEST GIFT THAT YOU COULD POSSIBLY SHARE WITH SOMEONE IS ALL THE GENUINE RIP-OFFS THAT ARE POSTED ON THIS WEBSITE. SO DON'T FORGET TO REFER AS MANY PEOPLE AS YOU POSSIBLY CAN TO THE BAD BUSINESS BUREAU. THEY WILL LOVE YOU FOR IT!! ALSO, REFER AS MANY PEOPLE FROM THE BUSINESS THAT WRONGED YOU TO THIS WEBSITE, BECAUSE BY DOING SO YOU TAKE AWAY THE EXCUSE OF THEM NOT BEING AWARE OF ALL THE RIP-OFF REPORTS AND ALL OTHER COMPLAINTS AGAIST THEM AND ALSO MAKE THEM MORE LIKELY TO RESPOND TO ALL CONSUMER GRIEVANCES. I have participated in numerous moneymaking programs and they were all relatively the same. Most that I have ordered were only interested in finding people to advertise for them in local and national newspapers or to invest thousands of dollars into mentoring or purchasing a website and merchant account. Nonetheless, there was always a catch and always is. Don't ever be fooled into thinking that your only investment is the one that appears on your television screen. The programs that are sold on infomercials are only a deceptive door opener in order to get your attention. Companies that advertise via paid infomercials are not required to and never discloses the fact that there are always further expenses in addition to their program such as expensive websites, merchant accounts, and bogus mentoring programs which teaches you nothing. Companies that choose to advertise via paid infomercials should be required by law to have to state that a substantial investment is required in order to succeed with their program, because without a huge investment their program is worth no more than the paper it's printed on and in most cases the toilet paper you wipe your a*s with. By them not having to disclose hidden charges is totally deceiving and misleading). All companies should also be required to implement some kind of refund policy and state it behind any and all contracts. Too many companies try to enforce a no refund policy in attempt to use it (as a weapon) against an individual to try and legally extort money. IF A COMPANY HAS A NO REFUND POLICY, YOU CAN REST ASSURED THAT THEY'RE INTENTIONS ARE NOT GOOD. ASSUME IT'S A SCAM BECAUSE IT IS. When you inevitably discover you have been taken it is near impossible to get relief, because companies that practice this kind of dirty tactics structures each and every one of their transactions in such a way that the law barely remains on their side and their transactions are just legal enough. They are taking advantage of any and all loopholes in your state and federal laws and using it in their favor to sell their bogus program. They are taking advantage of unsuspecting consumers ignorance of the rules and laws that are supposed to protect us by structuring transactions to their advantage while trying to strip their victims of their rights and protections that are often inadvertently overlooked or taken for granted. I have never been treated with so much disinterest and disrespect in my entire life. THE CHARGES ARE PRESENTLY IN DISPUTE, HOWEVER, IF THE COMPANIES THAT ARE RESPOSIBLE FOR RIPPING ME OFF DECIDES TO DISPUTE MY DISPUTE, A COPY OF THEIR MERCHANT'S RESPONSE WILL BE FOWARDED TO ME FOR MY REVIEW. I'M GOING TO POST A SUMMARY OF THE REVIEW ON MY FOLLOW UP RIP OFF REPORT WITH FULL DETAILS AND EXPLAIN EXACTLY HOW AND WHY THEY WERE ABLE TO WIN OR LOSE THEIR DISPUTE. THE WHOLE WORLD WILL BE ABLE TO WITNESS THE ENTIRE RIP OFF UNFOLD. I'M GOING TO POST EXACTLY HOW AND WHY THEY SUCCEEDED OR FAILED IN JACKING ME. I'M GOING TO INCLUDE ALL THIS INFORMATION IN MY FOLLOWING REPORT AS THEY BECOME AVAILABLE TO ME, SO THAT EVERYONE WILL KNOW EXACTLY HOW THE FINE PRINT WE INADVERTANTLY OVERLOOK AND IS OFTEN NOT AWARE OF IS EVENTUALLY USED AGAINST US AND TO THE COMPANIES ADVANTAGE. THEIR ENTIRE METHOD OF RIPPING PEOPLE OFF WILL FINALLY BE EXPOSED. IT'S REALLY STRANGE TO ME HOW SOME CONSUMERS ARE ABLE TO WIN THEIR DISPUTE, WHILE OTHERS LOSE. THIS IN ITSELF TELLS YOU THAT THEY WIN SOME OF THEIR DISPUTES DUE TO TECNICALITIES. SOMETHING IS REALLY INCONSISTENT ABOUT THIS, BUT NOW THE ENTIRE WORLD WILL KNOW EXACTLY WHY THEY SHOULD AVOID TELEPHONE MENTORING OF ANY KIND. IT SIMPLY DOES NOT EXIST AT THIS TIME. THINK ABOUT IT, EVEN IF THEY WERE ABLE TO MENTOR SOMEONE OVER THE PHONE, WHAT WOULD THEY HAVE TO GAIN BY TEACHING A COMPLETE STRANGER TO DO THE SAME? I WILL FOREVER KEEP EVERYONE POSTED FROM TIME TO TIME ON EXACTLY WHAT IS GOING ON. IT IS NOW MY DUTY TO WARN AND PROTECT THE PUBLIC. THE WORLD HAS A RIGHT TO KNOW AND I AM ITS NEW SPOKESPERSON. I HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO PROBLEM CONTINUING TO EXERCIZE MY CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS. DON'T EVER SIGN UP FOR ANY MENTORING PROGRAMS!! MENTORING PROGAMS RAKE IN HUGE PROFITS, BECAUSE IT IS STRUCTURED ON A MATHMATICAL SYSTEM THAT REQUIRES A GREAT NUMBER OF PEOPLE TO LOSE HUGE SUMS OF MONEY BEFORE ANYONE GETS EVEN CLOSE TO MAKING ANY. ONCE THIS HAPPENS REPEATEDELY, THE FRAUDULENT COMPANY EVENTUALLY CLOSES SHOP, JUMPS SHIP AND REPEATS THE SAME SCAM ALL OVER AGAIN UNDER A DIFFERENT COMPANY NAME. SO FAR, THE COMPANIES THAT'S RESPONSIBLE FOR RIPPING ME OFF SUBMITTED TWO RIDICULOUS COUNTER CLAIMS AGAINST MY DISPUTE AND SHOWS NO SIGN OF LETTING UP. THEY WERE TRYING TO FORCE ME INTO KEEPING THE GARBAGE THAT THEY SOLD ME ALONG WITH THEIR NON-EXISTANT AND BOGUS MENTORING IN HOPES THAT I SOMEDAY BOW OUT AND GIVE IN TO THEIR STRONG ARMING. AS A MATTER OF FACT, FROM NOW ON, ANY MORE TIME OF MINES THAT THEY WASTE SUBMITTING RIDICULOUS COUNTER CLAIMS, I AM INCREASING MY REQUEST BY $10,000.00. THIS WILL BE ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY, FOR I DON'T HAVE ALL THE TIME, MONEY AND HOT SHOT LAWYERS (THAT WOULD LIE TO PROTECT ME) AS THEY DO. THEY HAVE WASTED ENOUGH OF MY TIME AND DUE TO MY SOMETIMES HECTIC SCHEDULE FIND IT VERY DIFFICULT TO MEET THE STRICT DEADLINES FOR KEEPING MY DISPUTE ACTIVE, SO I NEED TO PUT THIS ON AUTOPILOT FOR A WHILE UNTIL I GET MY LIFE BACK ON TRACK. THAT IS PARTIALLY THE REASON FOR ALL OF MY LONG AND SOMEWHAT REDUNDANT REPORTS. NO AMOUNT OF MONEY COULD EVER BUY BACK THE FOUR OR FIVE MOTHS OF MY LIFE THAT HAS BEEN WASTED. All of my reports have been revised and or edited for purposes of space. I have tremendous confidence that one fine day everyone will automatically be able to associate infomercials with scams and that infomercials will be remembered as only a nightmarish thing of the past. JUST SAY NO TO ALL DECEPTIVE AND EVIL INFOMERCIALS!! One day in the very near future I will submit all of my reports unedited and in it's original text. Be sure to check out all other reports on John Beck, P.M.I. (Professional Marketing International) coaching. Also, check out all reports having to do with Robert Allen and P.M.G. (Professional Marketing Group). They offer a very similar mentoring program as John Beck's and they follow a very similar script. Upon reading a copy of their sales script on a report that had been posted by an ex-employee of the company, I felt as though I had been reliving the nightmare all over again. Thanks again for taking the time to read my new report and until next time, Take Care & God Bless. GLOSSARY OF WORDS AND THEIR DEFINITONS CONSUMERS NEVER WISH TO HEAR WHEN DECIDING TO DO BUSINESS WITH A COMPANY. COERCION: TO FORCE TO ACT OR THINK IN A CERTAIN WAY BY USE OF PRESSURE, THREATS, OR INTIMIDATION; COMPEL. DECEPTIVE: TO CAUSE TO BEIEVE WHAT IS NOT TRUE; MISLEAD. TO GIVE A FALSE IMPRESSION. WHEN PEOPLE HIDE THE TRUTH, ESPECIALLY TO GAIN AN ADVANTAGE. EXTORTION: TO OBTAIN SOMETHING BY FORCE OR THREAT, OR WITH DIFFICULTY. THE ACT OR INSTANCE OF EXTORTING. TO OBTAIN FROM ANOTHER BY COERCION OR INTIMIDATION. AN EXCESSIVE OR EXORBITANT CHARGE. FRAUD: THE INTENTIONAL DECEPTION OF A PERSON FOR THE PURPOSE OF DEPRIVING HIM OR HER OF PROPERTY OR CAUSING HIM OR HER INJURY IN ANYWAY. OBTAINING MONEY BY DECEIVING PEOPLE. A DECEPTION DELIBERATELY PRACTICED IN ORDER TO SECURE UNFAIR OR UNLAWFUL GAIN. MISREPRESENTATION: TO GIVE AN INCORRECT REPRESENTATION OF. TO DESCRIBE FALSELY AN IDEA, OPINION OR SITUATION OR THE OPINIONS OF SOMEONE OFTEN IN ORDER TO OBTAIN AN ADVANTAGE. ROBBERY: THE ACT OF OR INSTANCE OF TAKING THE PROPERTY OF ANOTHER BY THE USE OF VIOLENCE OR INTIMIDATION. SUMMARY OF MY SITUATION: 1. THE COMPANIES RESPONSIBLE FOR RIPPING ME OFF SOLD ME ON BOGUS MENTORING THROUGHT THE USE OF DECEPTION, MISREPRESENTATION AND COERCION. 2. THE COMPANIES RESPONSIBLE FOR RIPPING ME OFF DID NOT SEND ME ANY COPY OF SIGNED CONTRACT OR AGREEMENT. 3. THE COMPANIES RESPONSIBLE FOR RIPPING ME OFF KEPT CHANGING AND OR DISCONNECTING PHONE LINES, GIVING ME THE RUN AROUND AND MAKING NO ATTEMPT TO PROMPTLY RETURN MY PHONE CALLS. AND FOR SOME REALLY ODD REASON THEY SEND THEIR MATERIALS FROM MANY DIFFERENT ADDRESSES AND HAVE NO PHONE NUMBERS LISTED ON THEIR WEBSITE. 4.THE COMPANIES RESPONSIBLE FOR RIPPING ME OFF DID NOT LIVE UP TO ANY OF THEIR CLAIMS. 5. THE COMPANIES RESPONSIBLE FOR RIPPING ME OFF WERE OBVIOUSLY CREATING DELAYS IN HOPES TO DISCOURAGE ME TO TAKE ACTION AND ALSO IN HOPES TO SOMEHOW GET ME ON A TRANSACTION TECHNICALITY. 6. INSTEAD OF ACKNOWLEDGING AND AGREEING TO RECTIFY THE SITUATION IN A PROFESSIONAL MANNER, MIKE EVANS PROCEEDED TO THREATEN ME WITH LAWSUITS IN ATTEMPT TO TURN THE TABLES AND MAKE ME OUT TO BE THE BAD GUY INSTEAD OF THE VICTIM. P.S. Please stay tuned for my future write-ups regarding many other scams out there including, but not limited to rebate scams, fraudulent modeling agencies and any and all agencies that charge an upfront fee. Any company or companies that charge a fee of any kind is a flat out scam, no matter how they decide to disguise it. Enrollment fee, start up fee, membership fee, processing fee etc. that's normally associated with all the bogus envelope stuffing programs, medical billings, assembling of crafts, so on, and so on. THESE ARE ALL SCAMS!! Nothing irritates me more than constantly seeing these scams in newspaper classifieds, my flooded mailbox and magazines. Think about it, it's like having to pay a company to be on their payroll. YOU ARE WORKING FOR THEM!! ALL LEGITIMATE COMPANIES DON'T CHARGE ANY FEES OVER AND ABOVE MATERIAL COSTS IN ATTEMPT TO PROFIT FROM ENROLLMENTS. When was the last time you paid an employer to be put on their company's payroll? SCAM I TELL YOU!! Also, if you ever see a company that is offering a disc that supposedly contains 500 or more companies and or business opportunities, don't order it. There's a fat chance that even one of the offers is legitimate. They should actually title these discs 499 scams to avoid. I feel that this is the honest thing for them to do and that they would probably sell a lot more discs this way. Don't ever send a fee to a company. All businesses that require a fee of any kind is only in the business of selling information and or interested in finding people to advertise for their company. LEGITIMATE COMPANIES DO NOT CHARGE FEES OVER AND ABOVE MATERIAL COSTS. IN FACT, MOST LEGITIMATE COMPANIES WONT EVEN CHARGE FOR THEIR MATERIALS. WHY SHOULD THEY?? DON'T EVER FALL FOR A THIRD PARTY COMPANY CLAIMING THAT THEY CAN REFER YOU TOO OTHER COMPANIES WHO ARE LOOKING FOR HOMEWORKERS. CLEARLY A SCAM!! COMPANIES THAT ARE INTERESTED IN FINDING HOMEWORKERS ARE ABLE TO DO SO ON THEIR OWN AND WOULD DEFINETELY NOT NEED THE ASSISTANCE OF A THIRD PARTY COMPANY TO DO THE LEG WORK FOR THEM. AGAIN, THESE THIRD PARTY COMPANIES ARE ONLY IN BUSINESS OF SELLING USELESS AND OFTEN VERY OUTDATED INFORMATION. Anyways, it's about time for me to exit, but as I have promised I will keep everyone posted on exactly what companies I have been involved with, their objective, why I feel they should be avoided, etc, etc. I will also keep everyone informed regarding the companies presently responsible for ripping me off. Until next time take care cause I care, Aloha from Hawaii and God Bless. UPDATE: TODAY'S DATE IS THURSDAY FEBRUARY 26,2004 AND THE TIME NOW IS APPROXIMATELY 11:35 AM HAWAII TIME. I VE JUST RECEIVED A LETTER THROUGH THE MAIL FROM MY CREDIT CARD COMPANY'S DISPUTE DEPARTMENT AND IT APPEARS AS THOUGH THE FRAUDULENT COMPANIES THAT ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR RIPPING ME OFF HAVE SUBMITTED A COUNTER CLAIM TO MY DISPUTE. I SHOULD RECEIVE FULL DETAILS THROUGH THE MAIL ANYDAY NOW AND WILL NOT HESITATE TO POST ALL DETAILS ON EXACTLY WHAT IT IS THEY ARE ATTEMPTING TO DO. MY CREDIT CARD COMPANY COULDN'T EVEN LOCATE AND GIVE ME AN ADDRESS FOR THIS MERCHANT OR THEY'RE WHEREABOUTS. HOW BIZARRE IS THAT?? UPDATE: TODAY'S DATE IS FRIDAY FEBRUARY 27, 2004 AND I HAVE FINALLY RECEIVED A COPY OF THE SIGNED CONTRACT AND AGREEMENT THAT I HAVE SENT TO THE COMPANY AS PER THEIR REQUEST. HOW WEIRD THOUGH, IT DID NOT COME FROM THE PEOPLE RESPONSIBLE FOR RIPPING ME OFF, BUT RATHER FROM MY VISA DISPUTE DEPARTMENT IN THE CROOKED MERCHANTS EFFORT TO DISPUTE MY DISPUTE. AS I HAVE MENTIONED IN EARLIER SUBMISSIONS, I'VE NEVER RECEIVED A COPY OF THE SIGNED CONTRACT PRIOR TO THIS. NOW YOU KNOW WHY! THE CONTRACTS ARE KEPT AS A WEAPON AND IN THEIR POSSESION TO BE LATER USED AGAINST YOU AND TO THEIR ADVANTAGE JUST AS I HAVE SAID MANY TIMES BEFORE. FOUR AND A HALF MONTHS HAVE EXPIRED AND THE COMPANY COULD NOT SEND ME A COPY, BUT WHEN THEY NEED TO SUBMIT A COUNTER CLAIM, OH WELL IT'S A WHOLE DIFERENT STORY. THIS PROVES MY POINT. THIS IS BECAUSE THEY KNOW THEY ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR NOT HOLDING UP THEIR END OF THE BARGAIN, BUT WANT TO MAKE ABSOLUTE SURE THAT THEY ARE STILL ABLE TO RECEIVE MONEY FOR PARTIAL OR LITERALLY NO SERVICES RENDERED. EVERYTHING IS SLOWLY STARTING TO TAKE SHAPE ON IT'S OWN. ON A BOX LOCATED ON THE FRONT OF THE CONTRACT YOU ARE INSTRUCTED TO PLEASE SIGN, DATE AND RETURN THE FORM TO THEIR OFFICE, WHICH IS LOCATED AT THE TOP OF THE CONTRACT. THEIR MAILING ADDRESSS IS P.O. BOX 3685 BURBANK CALIFORNIA 91504. MENTORING OFFICE WHERE THEY GIVE YOU THE RUN AROUND AND NEVER RETURNS YOUR PHONE CALLS: (888) 909-8168 FACSIMILE (818) 767-3400. FAX THEM COPIES OF ALL RIP- OFF REPORTS TO LET THEM KNOW THAT THE WORLD IS BEING WARNED THROUGH A REAL LIFE JOURNAL. TODAY I AM GOING TO THE POST OFFICE TO RETURN THE PACKAGE TO THE COMPANY. IN CASE YOU ARE WONDERING WHY I WAITED SO LONG TO DO SO, I MUST EXPLAIN TO YOU THAT I DON'T TRUST ANYONE AT ANY ONE OF THESE ADDRESSES. FOR I HAVE HEARD NUMEROUS COMPLAINTS ABOUT PEOPLE RETURNING THEIR PACKAGES AND NEVER HEARING FROM THE COMPANY EVER AGAIN. IN FACT THERE ARE EVEN STORIES OF CONSUMERS THAT WERE LATER BILLED FOR OTHER ITEMS WITHOUT THEIR KNOWLEDGE AND OR CONSENT. I AM SENDING BACK THE ORIGINAL CONTENTS BACK TO FAMILY PRODUCTS 12843 MUSCATINE ST. ARLETA, CA 91330. I AM ALSO SENDING THREE SOFTWARES (PART OF MENTORING AGREEMENT) BACK TO ADDRESS LISTED ABOVE). I CAN ALMOST SMELL WHAT'S COMING NEXT AS THESE COMPANIES ARE BECOMING MORE AND MORE PREDICTABLE. DURING THE TIME IN WHICH MIKE EVANS THREATENED TO SUE ME, WE GOT INTO SORT OF A HEATED EXCHANGE. HE THEN INSTRUCTED (SUCKERED) ME INTO OPENING ONE OF THE SOFTWARES UP TAX VANTAGE 4.0. LOCATED ON THE BACK OF THE SOFTWARE ARE STIPULATIONS AND ONE OF THEM JUST HAPPENS TO BE, NO OPEN BOX RETURNS. THIS IN ITSELF DID NOT BOTHER ME THOUGH, AS THE SOFTWARE COULD IN NO WAY BE WORTH MORE THEN $10.00 OR SO AND THAT IT WILL EVENTUALLY PAY FOR ITSELF THROUGH MY REQUESTED FIGURE. I HAVE PROOF THAT I HAVN'T USED THE SOFTWARE EVEN THOUGH IT HAS BEEN OPENED. LOCATED ON THE INSIDE OF THE BOX IS A NUMBER TO CALL WHEN YOU ARE READY TO GET STARTED IN THE CLUB. IF REASERCHED AND INVESTIGATED CORRECTLY THEY WILL DISCOVER THAT I HAVE NEVER CALLED THE NUMBER AND SIGNED UP WITH THE CLUB. I COULDN'T HAVE BURNED A COPY OR LOANED IT TO A FRIEND, BECAUSE THE DISC ITSELF IS USELESS JUST LIKE THEIR PROGRAM IS, WITHOUT REGISTERING YOURSELF INTO AN ADDITIONAL PROGRAM. BUT LIKE I SAID, I'VE ALREADY RETURNED EVERYTHING AND HAD NOT REGISTERED IN THEIR TAX PROGRAM, SO IF THEY TRY AN USE THE FACT THAT THE DISC HAD BEEN OPENED AGAIST ME, I WILL LET THE WORLD KNOW. TO EVERYONE OUT THERE, PLEASE NOTIFY EVERYONE YOU KNOW TO THIS WEBSITE AND RESEARCH ANY AND ALL BUINESSES BEFORE DECIDING TO DO BUSINESS WITH ANY COMPANY. ALSO, DON'T BE ASHAMED TO NOTIFY ANY AND ALL CROOKED BUSINESSES OF THEIR POPULARITY ON RIP OFF REPORT, FOR THIS MAY POSSIBLY CHANGE THEIR WAYS. UNTIL NEXT TIME TAKE CARE, ALOHA FROM HAWAII AND GOD BLESS. GOODBYE FOR NOW.

Tracey-Boston, MAHi Reid- Thank you for your support and suggestions. I faxed 25 pages to my credit card's disputes department containing receipts,invoices, my report and other people's reports to attest to the fraudulent practices of this company. I also filed a complaint with the IFCC online. Tomorrow I will mail off all of my documents and copies of rip off reports to the Arizona Attorney General. I know it takes 2-8 weeks before anyone will get back to me. How long ago did you send your information to the attorney general? Have you heard back yet? Anyway, this is going to be an uphill battle all the way, but I know that there are others out there who are going through the same thing. Please keep in touch and let me know how things are going on your end. I will let you know if I get any feedback on this matter. Good luck, Reid. Take care.

I love the sound of making money or even the idea of making money. I was a prime sucker when I sent away for the John Beck Free & Clear info SCAM. I waited 3-4 weeks for the package to come only to get a phone call from PMI telling me that I could be making easy money by spending another $5,2500.00 for their mentoring program. Like they say a sucker is born every second, I went for it... gave them my credit card # and was told that there was a 3 day window of refund and that was after I had my first mentoring B.S. lesson. I was beginning to be a little skeptical about my investment. After the first lesson I knew that it was a SCAM. I immediately called PMI to cancel any supposed contract... it was the 4th of July weekend (ugh) only to get a recorder. I then called up my credit card service to cancel/dispute any charges made from PMI. They put the dispute mark on the CHARGES... that's right... there was three different charges... one from PMI SCAM, another from the Mentoring SCAM & another for the BOGUS Internet Sight... $5,2500.00. It wasn't over, I had only just started the long process that it does take to get these CROOKS out of your life. It took me 2.5 months of papers and phone calls and changing my credit card # and then canceling my credit card just to make sure that they were out of my life. What a mistake that venture was... like a BAD dream that turned out to be REAL. IF IT'S TOO GOOD TO TO BE TRUE, IT'S A RIP-OFF!

It's just me again following up and updating my rip off report as I have promised. My postings are intended to inform everyone who may be interested in making money in real estate investing but is easily persuaded by all the deceptive infomercials that are continuously allowed to air late nights and very early mornings to think twice about calling the toll free number that appears on the screen of the Free And Clear Real Estate System. The nominal investment that appears on moneymaking infomercials (usually $19.95-$59.95 or so) is just a deceptive door opener and is ABSOLUTELY NOT capable of yeilding someone the kind of profits stated in the infomercials. What you will receive through the mail if you are lucky enough to even receive your package (many do not) is a few very thin and colorful books which resembles very inexpensive childrens's coloring books and contains very insufficient and unsatisfactory information. Next you are going to start receiving many phone calls from sales people trying to sell you on this very expensive mentoring program (average $6,000.00-$8,000.00). DON'T DO IT!! IT'S A SCAM!! The sales people are truly determined and will say anything in order to get unsuspecting victims to cough up his or her credit card number. DON'T DO IT!! As a matter of fact, if you have already ordered the program using a credit card, I suggest you call your credit card's dispute department and dispute the quality of service as soon as possible, because the longer you wait, the more dificult it will be to reverse the charges for the useless books. The infomercial is deceptive in many ways and in my opinion should be removed from the airways. 1. The host in the infomercial specifically asks John Beck if the program would work in exotic locations such as Hawaii and Arizona. John Beck's answer to this question is yes. This question would have anyone believe that it makes absolutely no diference where a person lives. Hmm?? That's very deceiving!! Why would the host ask this question in the first place? I have been told otherwise by my coach. I have been told after I've already invested $6,400.00 that because I lived in Hawaii, I was limited in my options. WHAT!! 2. According to the infomercial people literally spend thousands of dollars to attend some of John Beck's seminars. The infomercial influences everyone's belief that by ordering the program, one WOULD NOT have to invest thousands (like the people who attend the seminars) in order to gain huge profits. THAT'S DECEIVING!! The bogus mentoring program that I am refering to is PMI COACHING (PROFESSIONAL MARKETING INTERNATIONAL) and is marketed by Genesis Media. 3. What these infomercials fail to mention is the fact that for every one of the very few people who have become successful using their program, how many hundreds or even thousands have failed. These con artists are taking advantage of the unsuspecting publics ignorance of the rules and laws by structuring transactions to their advantage, while stripping their victims of the protections that are often inadvertantly overlooked or taken for granted. These crooks structures each and every one of their transactions to where the law barely remains in their favor and the transaction is barely legal. They are taking advantage of any and all loopholes in local and federal laws that are supposed to protect consumers from shady practices. That is why once someone finds out he or she has been gypped, it is really difficult to near impossible to get a refund. THIS IS A SCAM!! DON'T ORDER THIS PROGRAM!! THE OFFER IS INVALID AND IN NO WAY LEGITIMATE!! The person who sold me this heap of smelly garbage and on the bogus mentoring (Mike Evans) enjoyed giving me the run around and even threatened to sue me for merely exercising my right as a consumer to dispute the quality of services. Mike Evans said "the last thing that I would do if I were you Reid, is contact your credit card company and claim fraud because we will take you to court and sue you, if you do". "And we will win". "You may even need to spend some jail time for doing so". THIS IS EXTORTION AND ROBBERY!! This is no different than a chef at a restaurant threatening to sue you just for sending food back to the kitchen. What's next Mike Evans, are you going to kill me? It is wrong, unethical and very unprofessional for any business to use threats of lawsuits to strong-arm people. Especially when it is them who has made so many promises and is unable to fulfill any of them. It is a terrifying feeling being blatantly scammed the way I have been. Being scammed has caused me a variety of health problems and continues to do so till this day. Some of these health problems due to worry and stress include but is not limited to migraine headaches, tremendous heartache, chronic fatigue, mental anguish, depression, insomnia, and several others. So far I have heard of two other people who have been scammed by this same company, disputed the charges and had the charges reversed. Now I had been sold the same baloney and I am currently in the middle of the dispute process. I am really interested in finding out what kind of kaka mine story this fraudulent company will submit to try to win me over in the dispute battle. I can't see in any way how an infomercial product or service that is so fraudulent too so many, even be considered legit and satisfactory to a few. I have tremendous faith in my credit cards dispute department and their ability to see me through this hardship, but if I should happen to lose this dispute on the account of these crooks and their crooked activities, I will have to say that there is something terribly wrong and inconsistent with credit card transations and it's investigations process. DON'T ORDER THIS PROGRAM!! IT IS NOTHING BUT RAW SEWAGE IN A BOX!! Until next time really soon, Take Care & God Bless.

To everyone who may be considering ordering John Becks Free And Clear Real Estate System, Do yourself a big favor and DON'T ORDER THIS PROGRAM!! The Free And Clear infomercial that airs late nights and very early mornings is both deceptive and misleading and is a flat out scam from start to finish. Believe me, because I have nothing to gain by sharing this information. Don't believe anyone who is in favor of the program or has anything positive to say about John Beck's Free And Clear Real Estate System, because anyone who does, is either affiliated with John Beck himself or the fraudulent marketing company that's offering this scam to the general public via paid infomercial. The toll free number that appears on the infomercial is just a door opener to generate leads and lure innocent and unsuspecting victims through a false picture of what the program is really about. Then your name is sold as a lead to telemarketing companies all over the U.S. to all who may be interested in ripping you off as well. According to the infomercial, people spend thousands of dollars to attend some of John Beck's seminars. The infomercial wants everyone to believe, that by ordering the program one does not have to invest thousands (like the people who have attended the seminars) in order to profit. The infomercial also wants everyone to believe that all that's required for someone to succeed, is the program that's featured for the nominal investment of $59.89+ S&H. That's a pile of cow dung because if you order the program and is lucky enough to even receive it, you can expect a call from this fraudulent marketing company with a very bad reputation (Genesis Media and or PMI). A sales person is going to attempt to coerce you into investing thousands of dollars into this NONREFUNDABLE mentoring program known as PMI coaching (professional Marketing International). The sales person will say absolutely anything to get you to cough up your credit card number. DON'T DO IT!! IT'S A TRAP!! NOTHING SHORT OF A SCAM!! The so-called mentoring is nothing more then general ideas, insufficient, unsatisfactory and financially risky advice. The company is unwilling and totally unable to deliver the services they are selling. I has been said by numerous people (ex employees of this fraudulent marketing company) that the coaches are not even seasoned veterans as they would have you believe, but rather just follows an incomplete curriculum. Once you realize that you have been taken you can forget about ever requesting a refund. This company structures all of their sales to their advantage and in such a way that it's really dificult or near impossible for you to get a refund. The staff in customer service is very rude and likes nothing better than giving people the run around. At the time of my requesting a refund, I had been threatend to be sued for merely exercizing my right to dispute the quality of services. The person who sold me this garbage specifically told me "the last thing that I would do if I were you Reid, is contact your credit card company and claim fraud because you may even need to spend some jail time for doing so". Believe me, after ripping off thousands of people this company has a lot of money and liars (lawyers) who have the ability to strong-arm (extort and rob) just about anyone. If you have already been taken by this scam, do not atempt to pursue this company alone because you will probably lose. Instead write a complaint letter similar to this one, make a few copies and send one to all of these places. The Federal Trade Commissions, your local Attorney Generals Ofice, The Attorney Generals Ofice in the state where you have been victimized, The National Fraud Information Center, The Bad Business Bureau (RipOFFReport.com) The Consumer Fraud Watch Network, Your Local Bureau Of Consumer Protection, The Bureau Of Consumer Protection in the state where you have been victimized, The National White Collar Crime Center and everywhere else possible. Make sure to contact the media as well. 60 Minutes, 20/20, Time, Newsweek, U.S. News & World Report, Money Magazine, 48 Hours, Dateline, NBC Nightly News, ABC News and all other media possible. Don't you ever give up!! T This company has absolutely no right to sell innocent people smelly garbage through the use of blatant coertion, deception and misrepresentation, when they know darn well they are unable to deliver the goods and services. And threatening people who request a refund is no diferent then a chef of a restaurant threatening to sue you, just for sending food back to the kitchen. This PMI coaching BULLS#I! is more along the lines of extortion, robbery and strong-arming than it is mentoring. DON'T ORDER THIS PROGRAM!! IT'S A SCAM!! In fact my honest opinion is that all of the money making opportunities aired as infomercials are shady, especially the ones that attempt to entice you with false testimonials. Most testimonials are false because I assure you, chances of someone making any money with any of these programs is slim to nada. Anyways, I may be running out of space here and my full story is about 7-8 pages long. I would love to share my entire story with anyone who may be interested in viewing it. So let's all keep in touch, band together and pursue these fraudulent companies relentlessly. Let's all make sure that our families, friends, neighbors, co workers, acquaintences, and even worst enemies know the truth about all the fraudulent companies that are literally and legally robbing people blind. Let's make sure to spread this information and wonderful website like wildfire. I am going to make it my personal goal to pursue this company until the day I am buried six feet under. I will constantly update this message and keep everyone posted as to my unpleasant experience. I Only hope that everyone else does the same. DON'T EVER GIVE UP!! So in closing, JUST SAY NO TO THE JOHN BECK SCAM AND ALL THE OTHER INFOMERCIAL SCAMS!! Thank you all for taking the time to read this message, take care and best of luck in yours and our pursuit for justice.