Complaint Review: M & M Auto Classics - Internet

This is Larry and I own fine lines custom painting. Over the years I have done small repairs, touch ups, custom paint, major body repair and restorations for Rich and Shawn.  When jobs were finished they were always fair and and paid promptly. As far as I know all customers were very satisfied with my work, there has never been a comeback job. Im saying this because what is being said about Shawn and Rich is way out of the norm. The man who bought the mustang seems very upset, be assured that this is a very rare instance. I have never had a bad remark from Shawn or his customers. Shawn is very detailed in his descriptions and has sold many, many cars and has done well over the years. If he treated everyone he sold a car to as described from this angry buyer he never would have made it this far. I would have sold the car and bought something else instead of putting that kind of money into a mustang, way more than its worth. This is the reason im questioning the whole deal, what is really going on. I would never buy a car without looking at it nomatter who is selling it. Im trying not to be biased but I have known Shawn a long time and this has not happened before and I cant see him losing his reputation and future sales over one vehicle. OK now I am ready for some negative feedback 

I find it interesting you listed every bit of this persons info but marked out every bit of your own, why? Maybe people might want to talk to you personally about your experiences or maybe I might like to send you a gtf over it card, as its been 5 years, and the way it looks to me, it was all because you were a dumbass. So I think I will help you out with this,



Mark O


(((ROR Redacted)))

Now I see this as fair.. :)


By the way your shock tower photo doesn't look all rusted out to me. Minor surface rust, I'm sure you came in a frantic.. and they knew they could get you for what your worth. Im sorry but if you would have had the car inspected you wouldn't be in this position. If the car was that bad why wouldn't it show in the photos. I do not see a hole by the accelerator? I honestly think you knew what you were getting but thought you could somehow play it to your advantage. In the end Mark you can't blame anyone but yourself. You were the one investing your money and you chose not to get this car inspected, doesn't look like anyone held a gun to your head telling you not to. You are the only one to blame for your stupidity.


Shawn is right extortion is illegal, you better hope the FBI isnt reading over any of this because you aint being very discreet about your intentions


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Mark,
 
     Ill no longer be entertaining your rants and fictional nonsense as Ive been advised by my attorneys as well as law enforcement to cease. Which hopefully you took my advice and consulted with an attorney this afternoon because what youre doing here, it is against the law. In fact if you did not know, extortion is considered a class E felony. Youre clearly a failed actor who has never taken responsibility for much of anything in his life. The only satisfaction you get in life is by attempting to disrupt, extort, and blackmail others all while shrugging off all culpability. W. couldnt have covered the entire situation better. I hope you like KC. Talk to you soon.
 
Thanks,
Shawn

Here we are again with more damning photos and evidence taken during the first week of restoration.  My restorer was in a constant state of disbelief that someone would stoop to the depths of deception that these people had.  Folks, be careful even buying a pack of gum from these miscreants, let alone a vintage car. I'll let the pics speak for themselves.  Let's address Mr. Middaugh's last message.
 
     They are either not the same car
or you heavily neglected it.   They are the ACTUAL photos taken during the restoration, you idiot. The car stayed in my garage until my restorer came and picked it up on a flatbed.
 
You stated that you could see through
the driver floor, to the road, as you drove the Mustang home. Clearly
you have X Ray vision to be able to see through undercoating, sheet
metal, and brand new carpet.  Brand new?  You have no idea what you're talking about as usual. The pictures tell a different story.  I know it hurts.
 
You show a photo of a motor similar but with swapped out manifolds. Same motor? Same car? Im doubting it. Same exact car.  And how about that welded manifold, folks? Who the hell welds a manifold and tries to pass it off as being all original? M & M Clunkers does, that's who.  Pathetic.
 
    
Your only goal here is to attempt to extort me by trying to destroy
my credibility. Or wait, here Just wanted to destroy your
credibility. Want, thats the keyword here. That has been your only
goal because I wont give you 12k dollars for a bunch of bogus photos,
false claims (AC COMPONENTS ALL MISSING, RUSTED GAS TANK, ETC). Youre a
scum bag Mark I mean it doesnt get much clearer then that. You do know
that extortion is illegal as well as defamation right? Hey champ, bring on your legal team.  I have a LOT more to show them.  You do know it's theft by deception and fraud that you committed, don't you?
 
     Damien, thanks. Remember, this is the car he is calling a rusted out donor:
 
http://mmbrokers.com/newcars/67gts/67gts.htm Again, a polished turd that you hoped no one would look beneath it's shiny paint job. 
 
    
That is exactly how it left here. You better stay close Mark, Im
assuming more people will come. This is the only negative crap that is
out there about myself and my company. Ive been doing business with the
same people all over the world for years. All of which I continue to
maintain good solid relationships with. Youre the only narcissist Ive
met thats tried extorting me out of 12k dollars by attempting to
destroy my credibility. Some friendly advice, you might want to
consult with your local law enforcement as well as an attorney or break
out your checkbook and pay the wonderful people of this site the 2k
dollars to get it removed. Either way, youve made some massive
mistakes.

LOL Screw you and your threats, middaugh. You're the goofball that deceived me and took me for $32K!  You're not very bright, are you? I can back up EVERY single claim with proof. Talk about a massive mistake, I may end up owning that low rent buy here pay here lot you run.  Maybe I'll doze it and open up an honest business.
 
   
Low Retail Value
This vehicle
would be in mechanically functional condition, needing only minor
reconditioning. The exterior paint, trim, and interior would show normal
wear, needing only minor reconditioning. May also be a deteriorated
restoration or a very poor amateur restoration. Most usable "as-is".

Some
of the vehicles in this publication could be considered "Daily Drivers"
and are not valued as a classic vehicle. When determining a value for a
daily driver, it is recommended that the subscriber use the low retail
value.

Note: This value does not represent a "parts car".
 
    
So what would 20k put it at? What youre suggesting is that I just let
you rape me. Remember, five years ago that Mustang was worth far more
than what it is worth today. Now again, I never stated that the car was
concoursed nor did I ever state that it was perfect
as you have
repeatedly implied. It was a very nice, strong number two car with out a
doubt. You can imply all you want and make bogus quotes, claims, etc.
but it is all right here for the world to view Mark.  You're right on that one.  The ad that YOU PENNED, and the photos taken after one week of an absolute essential restoration do not lie. So ironic that you used the word 'rape' when that's exactly what you did.  Tell the kind folks how you offered the partial refund only to renege by saying "rich just doesn't wanna be bothered with it anymore"  What?  Excuse me for asking for some of my money back on a car that was significantly misrepresented. Then please kindly tell them about the run around you gave me every time I tried to contact Rich.


     Like I
said to begin with, Mark here had one goal in mind and he has made it
abundantly clear. He wanted to sweeten his deal through extortion, bogus
quotes, bogus photos, and bs claims which any human being with two eyes
can see for themselves. Refer back to Marks claims as well as his
statements:

You never graduated high school, did you Shawn?  You are the one that offered to
buy the car back knowing good and well that it was now in the process of being restored, so once again YOU'RE A LIAR.
 

 
    
Thats what happens when you lie about your intentions Mark. Usually
when people refer to name calling thieves, shyster, charlatan, etc,
that is when they know theyve lost the battle and are reflecting upon
themselves. You tried, Ill give you that. Not very noble of you but tis
life. Good luck Mark, youre going to need it.
 
Thanks,
Shawn


I will sing it from the mountaintops for anyone that asks me about M & M Clunkers. A deceptive liar should be exposed to prevent other honest people from being taken.  You reap what you sow.

Here's an email correspondence dated 8/3/06 day after delivery. 

Mark,   I will need to discuss the list of
issues with the owner. All of the electrical worked prior to the AC
being repaired. Please allow me some time to discuss things with the
owner and see what I can get arranged.  Thanks, Shawn.


Shawn,

Here is a detailed list of things that are wrong with the car:

Upon Mike taking it off of the trailer, it promptlly stalled and would not
re-start. After numerous attempts, we determined that it was out of fuel. This was VERY annoying and time consuming and I could not understand how someone could put a car on a trailer with no fuel? After we put fuel in the tank, I tried to turn the lights on and
discovered that the lights weren't functioning at all. They did finally
turn on, but that's the ONLY electrical device that actually worked. Here's
an itemized list of the other issues:

No blinkers (handle and switch appear to be bad)
No Tail lights
No Interior lights
No Marker lights
No Parking lights
No Dash lights
No Flashers (probably a bad switch)
No Horn
No Sun Visors (both gone)
No Backup lights
No Tag light
Inoperable Fuel Gauge
Inoperable Temp Gauge
No Seat Belts (I can't believe this one)
Inoperable Wipers
No pads on Brake Pedals
NO EMERGENCY BRAKE ( handle actually came off in my hand )
Switch missing in Dash
Headlight Dimmer Switch Bad
Door lock grommets missing
AIR CONDITIONER BLOWS ONLY ON FLOOR (NONE of dash vents work)
Speedometer & Tach Inoperable
VERY little water/coolant in radiator
Middle Console in rough
condition with ashtray lid that actually came off in
my hand
Glove Box appears to be glued shut
Overhead Console lights inoperable

Mechanically, the car idles rough and the brakes pull hard to the left while
braking.

Shawn, this is simply unacceptable. Especially given the conversations we
had and most importantly
the wording of the ebay ad that reads "Not only does it start up and drive
like a new car,.." and "ALL lights, instruments, and gauges work exactly
like they should" and "All gauges work perfectly as they should, as do the
heater fan and horn" and "The interior....is in excellent shape" and
finally, "Other than the undercarriage being detailed, I have to say that
this car needs absolutely nothing".

I'm not sure if you were aware of these things or not or if you were the one
that wrote the ad, but I am not happy and expect to either be refunded my
money entirely or to be compensated to bring
this car up to the
specifications under which it was advertised. This car is a far cry from a
$33,000 vehicle in it's present condition.

Please contact me before tomorrow to resolve this matter.

Here's another dated 8/4/06:

Mark,   There is no need. I understand your
position and Rich (the owner) is on the same page. I was unable to
touch base with him in person tonight so I am going to run the list over
to him tomorrow. I did speak to him over the phone and gave him a brief
run down. I will either call or email tomorrow with an update.   Thanks, Shawn

Shawn,

I wanted to mention that I can take pictures and video if desired and email
them to you. Mike with auto go was there for some of the troubles and can
vouch for everything.

Thanks,

Mark

A few things worth noting.  The Auto Go driver that delivered the car was willing to testify as a witness for me. A guy I had just met and had only known for ten minutes OFFERED to help me out because of the car's condition. What does that say? 

Also, a few folks have commented about the car 'looking really nice' and 'lots of apparent new parts' .  That's partially what attracted me to the car in the first place.  That, along with the wording of the ad and the assurances I received from the seller as to the car's integrity
and the fact that he told me both in print and over the telephone that it was indeed "rust free". 

Some may wonder why I chose to have the car rotisserie restored instead of just repairing as much as I could. Paint, bodywork, engine work, and interior work can all be repaired to a certain degree.  When the integrity of your frame is compromised by massive rust in several places, you are screwed completely. No ifs ands or buts. Done. You literally have no choice but to have it completely restored.  Ask any professional restorer.

The truth shall set you free, Shawn. One way or the other.











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W.
 
     Thank you! Well stated and I do appreciate it. If you notice, on every ad on my site I heavily suggest that someone has the car inspected before ever making a decision. For years Ive even taken scheduled dates from an inspector and just considered them a deposit. I mean it isnt cheap to get it done and typically when someone goes to those lengths, they are serious. I try to publish every bit of data, photos, and video that I can so people can make informed decisions which that is one thing that cant be argued about when viewing my site and my inventory. Again thank you and hopefully Mark here tames his ego a little bit and comes back to reality. I heavily doubt that will happen but either way, thank you!
 
Thanks,
Shawn

Again, shame on you!

Oh yeah, even if the car WAS inspected, how are you gonna see that much damage without DISMANTLING it?

SHAME SHAME SHAME!

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 A completely biased post from a mysterious stranger.? And he even stated for good measure that "I don't know you and have never met you".  Can't argue with that logic.

At least you had the good sense to log out first, Sybil.

There really is no point for you to waste anymore of your time on this yahoo Shawn, there is nothing (reasonable) that you can do to make him happy, and that car along with the others on your site look amazing. As most car people know, a frame-off restoration is neither required nor desirable in most cases, and this guy definitely has more dollars than sense and got suckered into a frame-off resto on the car by someone else which I imagine cost probably close to $75k with the $32k included.

Exactly right, Mr. Rik.  As you can see though, he's not ashamed.  Karma.

Damien,  glad you were the one that had a good experience with your M & M.  My M & M melted before I could even enjoy it, as evidenced by the photos.  You did look at the photos, right Damien?  I'd hate to think that you were that naive & shallow to believe that Shawn was incapable of deceptive fraud especially given the amount of solid, irrefutable proof I've provided.  Regarding your question as to why I waited, I actually didn't wait.  I confronted Shawn with all of my qualms and proof regarding the Mustang he sold me for an entire 6 months afterward to no avail.  I should post the time &
date stamped emails regarding his unwillingness to honor his agreement of "If you're not happy, you don't own it!" clearly stated on his website.  I secured an attorney thereafter, and the bottom line was that I would have to bring suit to them, within their home state and even then I wasn't guaranteed a win.  As you can imagine, the costs associated with all of this were substantial and given that some b*****d just ripped me off for $32K via deception and misrepresentation, I was tapped out at the time. Fast forward to the present, when I became enlightened as to this fantastic website.  In looking on ebay, I also found out that M & M were still doing business and I think the public deserves to know what I went
through with them.  If I can prevent ONE person from becoming another victim, I'm great with that.

It sure was sweet of Shawn to contact you to be a cheerleader, though. Fabricated, or otherwise.


I have many more photos to be posted soon.  Wait until you guys see the walk-around video on the evening/early morning that I took delivery of my rust-o-matic jewel.

It's been very cathartic to share this with you all.

Stay tuned...

Just wanted to destroy your credibility once again by responding to an incorrect statement you had made.  All of the photos listed were taken during the first week of restoration. Prior to that, the car never left my garage.

Also, you had alluded that you would like to buy the car back?  I'm willing to sell for my total investment which is now $75K.

Otherwise, if you truly want to step up to the plate and make good on your act of thievery, I think a simple check for $12K would cover the cost that I overspent on the Mustang. I'm sure you'll agree, this is a very reasonable estimate considering the damning photos & evidence shown above. 

You can still save face here, son. It's never too late.  Let's see how Shawn-boy reacts after I've called his bluff....

Folks, witness above the words of a defeated man.  Notice how he expectedly had NO rebuttal for the pictures? Unlike himself, he knows the pictures don't lie but they certainly speak volumes, though!
 Does that look like a "NO RUST" car to you? LOL

I'm convinced that young Shawn honed his inspecting skills at the Earl Sheib institute and studied finance at Bernie Madoff U.

Shawn, you've been busted and exposed for the criminal that you are and anyone who does a search for M & M "ahem....Classics?" will see the level of service that you provide.  Or in my case, didn't provide.

Be a pal and let us all know which Buy Here Pay Here lot you end up at or which court you'll be subpoenaed for next-I'd love to serve on the jury.

And give my best to your right hand restorer/scrap metal dealer, Rich & Co. Those fine craftsmen probably spend 75% of their monthly budget on undercoating alone. Their motto:  "If we can cover it, it ain't there!"

Folks, there are a few key lessons to be learned here from my mistakes.

-Just like the X-Files mantra, TRUST NO ONE but especially a middaugh. The easiest way to tell if a middaugh is lying is if you see their lips moving.
 
-Do your due diligence and for goodness sake, go look at that would-be rust bucket in person.

-There are some actual honest & credible vintage car dealers out there.  Attend car shows and ask around. Join a classic car forum online.  Bad news travels faster than good within this hobby/passion.

-Whenever possible, buy a vintage car already restored.  By restored, I don't mean an M & M Donor Car Two-cans-of-spray-paint-and-a-microphone-makeover, I mean an actual high level (frame-up, frame-off, or rotisserie) restoration back to its original condition or even better.

-If you have been burned like I had, realize that everything will work out in the end. Take lots of pictures, save all email correspondence, and expose the thieves publicly for what they are-THIEVES.  Take solace in knowing that you will have done your part to prevent anything like this happening to anyone else in the future.

Best of luck to all!

You should be ashamed of yourself!

Pay no mind to this guy. He is obviously off his rocker. Shawn is as straight up and honest as they come. I purchased a GTO from Shawn approximately three years ago and yea I was taken away by the photos but when the car finally arrived and I was able to drive it. Words can't describe how in love I fell. Shawn described the car perfectly and it was ever better than I had anticipated when I received it. Whoever this guy is he has issues and his photos as well as his story doesnt seem to add up. That looks like a pretty nice Mustang with a lot of new parts. I know you couldnt buy a roller 390 S code 4 speed car for less than 15k and I know it would take a hell of a lot more than another 17k to get it that nice. Did you sell this car to a crack head Shawn? Hey guy why did you wait five years to bring this up? Did you just want to tear the s**t out of it and then complain? It doesnt make much sense to me to wait five years but then again most of what you wrote here doesnt make much sense. Put down the pipe buddy.

Mark,
 
     First, youve had the car for five years and it that is how it looks, youve left it parked outside next to the ocean because that is not at all how it looked when it left here or those photos are not of the same car which I wouldnt put past you at this point. Second, you can clearly see that those are different manifolds (compare photos). Thirdly, the same exact team of individuals who restored your Mustang, restored this Belair:
 
http://mmbrokers.com/newcars/55Belair/55Belair.htm
 
    Now do you know the difference in restoring a Belair compared to a Mustang? Well let me enlighten you. A Mustang can be completely built out of a catalog for little to nothing when compared to that of a Belair. My point, nothing was short changed as you continue to imply. Fourthly, you stated you could see to the road through the drivers side floor pan. Even by your own photo (which I dont believe are of the same car unless you seriously neglected it) it shows a small section where the gas pedal would have been covering along with the carpet, floor, and undercoating.
 
     Again, I have references that go on for days. Anyone who is interested is welcome to call my personal banker who handles all of my business and has spoken to 95% of my customers. Mark here is the only person Ive had this kind of an issue with and clearly it is some sort of crazy entitlement problem. Anyhow, Im done with this soap opera. All the facts are here for the world to evaluate and draw their own conclusion. If anyone has any questions or concerns, youre welcome to contact me any time.
 
Thanks,
Shawn

Mark,
 
     MARK OLIVER THE ACTOR! Hahaha that explains a lot. Ah anyways, youre just strengthening my points. You really are having a hard time grasping reality at this point. Most of what you just pointed out contradicts most all of your statements up above. Nothing I say, no physical proof (as shown here) is going to change your narcissistic view of reality. At this point, there is really nothing more that can be said. You wont sell the car back and you wont acknowledge how unrealistic you were and continue to be. Typical behavior from someone with entitlement issues. Maybe I should have brought you your very own trailer, set out a buffet for you, then had a grand entrance with the Mustang so that your decision could have been easier to make. Looking back on it now, I think thats what I should have done. Have you at this point asked a single human being about agreeing to purchase an automobile sight unseen, waiving to have it inspected, and then expecting someone to just bend over backwards for you? Mark, youre either an only child who didnt have his hands smacked enough times or youre off of your medication. Maybe a bit of both? I dont know at this point. Are you Bipolar? All I do know is youve made a whole lot of contradictive statements and it all speaks for itself. Oh by the way, where do you get chrome in a can? I mean how else does that gas tank appear to be in new condition? It sounds to me that you through a fit over the sun visor and overhead console door which is when you decided to take it to Joe Bobs restoration shop only to have them sucker you in to tearing the car apart and redoing the restoration. You did state that this was your first classic car purchase. I think you need to go back to Joe Bob and re-evaluate your position. It sounds to me that youre getting taken because there is far too much physical evidence here which contradicts every single thing youve stated. As for our business, it has been concluded and youre a petty scum bag unfortunately. I mean here we are on the internet watching you throw a tantrum and at every turn, every lie youve posed, every contradictive statement, it all just gets spun in to more bs. Like I stated, tell the truth and you get one story, spread your bs and see how far it spins out of control. Youre a hypocrite Mark and had I been able to do this over, Id have never sold you the Mustang. You dont deserve a car of that magnitude. Grow up Mark, you only live once and if you continue carrying on with this kind of behavior youre going to live a long, uneventful, and miserable life.
 
OTHER READERS! PLEASE FEEL FREE TO READ THROUGH AND EVALUATE THIS INFORMATION! I know it is quite a bit to take in but you will find the truth within all of this nonsense. For anyone who would like references, I have many of them. Many from people all over the world who have stayed with me, who call me on a daily basis seeking advice. I try my best to help everyone I can. Purchasing, selling, or even restoring a Muscle Car is supposed to be a fun and exciting experience. Unfortunately there are people like Mark here who can not be pleased and tend to ruin that experience for themselves and everyone around them. Dont let one persons bad behavior or mental health skew your perspective. Other readers have responded and again, the situation speaks for itself. Good luck to those of you who have read this entire novel and good luck!
 
Mark, I do hope that the folks you chose to redo your car do an excellent job. I would suggest that next time, you take your car and have it evaluated by several parties before committing to something of that magnitude. If you are telling the truth, you are getting screwed. I know the amount of work, time, and money that was invested in to that Mustang before it left and it did not need to be gone through. Anyone can see that no matter how much you state otherwise.
 
Thanks,
Shawn

Well, well WELL! What have we here?  Don't say I didn't warn you, little guy.  Folks, for your viewing pleasure/disgust, I present to you in all it's glory, the 1967 Mustang GT Fastback that was described
verbatim by SHAWN "Liar Liar" MIDDAUGH as having "no rust whatsoever".  

Is that the sound of jaws dropping across this great country?  Did Shawn just faint?  Will M & M close up shop? These and many other questions will be answered on the next episode of "To Catch A Thief".

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Oh, Shawn.  Where to begin with you?

First and foremost, we both know you wouldn't speak like this if it weren't on a public forum.  You're trying to save face in the hope that no one else exposes you for the con man that you are.  By the way, charlatan, con-man, shyster, and thief are all terms that apply to you, so why the beef in them being used?  Now, on to your questions.

ALL AC components missing?  I admit, not ALL per se, but the majority were missing.  The compressor was from a Mach 1, and I have a quote from you on that where you lied again (What?!) by saying "we'll get the correct compressor to you shortly".  Hmm.  You must be using the same shipper as when you promised to ship the correct hood.  You remember, right?  The one that you said "we have it in a box an ready to ship out to you."  Would you kindly tell that shipper that they really dropped the ball on that one.

Gas tank rusted?  Still stands.  You can whine and cry all you want about the pretty photos, but the restoration doesn't lie. 

Floors rusted through? Yep.  Have an adult explain that one to you if you're having difficulty comprehending.  Maybe that philosopher of a father you claim to have.  I literally could sit in the driver's seat and see the ground.  Fine for the Flinstones, not fine for a $32 "restored" car.

Interior worn very badly? Wow, this is a biggie that I haven't touched on completely.  AC control hanging, NO seat belts, seats worn, and emergency brake came off in my hand, among many other things. I can and will provide a compete list.  Guess they were in a rush that day at Rich's restoration emporium.

Hell, let's address your entire list, chief.

New gas tank LIE see above

New exhaust  Agreed

New paint Agreed with one caveat.  Rich & Co. basically polished a turd.

New wheels, tires Nearly new.

Engine, clearly had been pulled, rebuilt, repainted as well as the rest of the engine bay components. Holy cow, you better take your meds for this one.  When they pulled the engine, someone had taken a shaker can to the entire thing to 'dress it up for sale'.  You know the drill, as I'm sure this is the treatment you give to most of your jalopies. Rebuilt my a*s. When they (Al Moody Racing) but that dog on the dyno, it told a sad, worn, story.

The bright work, all of it was in excellent shape  You're kidding, right? 

Interior, you can see clearly that both the front and back seat had been
recovered (note the bulge from stretching, no tears, no blemishes,
etc.) Again, none of the interior lights worked, both drainage boxes were missing, and the entire aluminum decor group had to be replaced.

Door panels were new Nearly new

Headliner was new No

Freshly undercoated OH! This one drew absolute RAVES from my restorer!  Rich & Co. sprayed nearly a 3" layer of undercoating to hide the flaws-ergo floor pans, etc.  A classic shyster move as I've found out after doing a bit of research among other victims of con men car dealers.

New hood Wrong hood and still waiting on new & correct hood in box to arrive. Can I get a tracking number?

Glass was in good shape Mediocre at best. I had every piece replaced.

Bumpers were new If you truly believe this, you're even more delusional than initially suspected.

And on and on..By "and on and on" I'm assuming you mean that the frame had been custom rusted to give it the original patina?  This would have been good to know upfront. Then again, the average 10 minute oil change places do a better job of inspecting a cars condition than you do.

Shawny, I'm gong to post the resto photos along with the still images.  Grab some popcorn and a cold drink, and listen out for the sound of folks screaming "Buyer Beware" regarding M&M Donor Cars, inc.

And finally, thanks for admitting that you blatantly lied about your false slogan of "If you're not happy, you don't own it!"  That took a lot of courage and I was impressed.  Or maybe, it was accidental.  Whatever, I think you're headed down the right path.

Mark,
 
     You clearly are having a difficult time reading. Ill lay this out for you in sections:
 
How is it 'being unrealistic' to ask for a refund once I get the car since your ad plainly states "If you're not happy, you DONT OWN IT!"?  I mean, I could see your point if I had waited a week to let you know that I wasn't happy, but I let you know within nine hours. Answer that, please.
 
     It is unrealistic because you opted to not inspect the car and you expected us to incur all costs associated with shipping the vehicle. NO ONE ON THIS PLANET IS GOING TO AGREE WITH YOU ON THIS. Do you understand now? If you dont believe me, go take a quick survey and ask around. Your initial comments about the car were in fact gas, sun visor, and overhead console door wont latch. Those were your complaints. Now looking at the information, youve blatantly lied about many items which at that time, I did give you the benefit of the doubt but after discussing it with the owner, after looking through receipts, I realized you were lying just as you are now. Again, proof is right here in front of us all. Youre making wild and outrageous claims. My description, the photos, they all contradict your very nonsense.
 
Why didn't you stand by your own ad and refund my money? Why the runaround with the alleged seller, Rich?
 
     I think I answered this above. Youre asking the same question twice. As for Rich, he was the owner. You even acknowledge this through out your ramblings. You even acknowledged that you had his contact information. So why imply alleged? You acknowledged this within your sales agreement. Do you need a copy of it? I still have it. It also stated that you understood that you were purchasing the car as is where is. You waived having the car inspected as well as inspecting it yourself. Again, go take a survey and find out how many people would just ship you a car, incur all the costs, and then eat those costs as well as refund your money because you were unhappy with the sun visor and overhead console door.
 
     Id also like to point out that with just a little basic common sense, any single person can look at this car and draw their own conclusions. It is clear that the car had received a tremendous amount of work and new components.
 
New gas tank
New exhaust
New paint
New wheels, tires
Engine, clearly had been pulled, rebuilt, repainted as well as the rest of the engine bay components
The bright work, all of it was in excellent shape
Interior, you can see clearly that both the front and back seat had been recovered (note the bulge from stretching, no tears, no blemishes, etc.)
Door panels were new
Headliner was new
Freshly undercoated
New hood
Glass was in good shape
Bumpers were new
And on and on..
 
     So youre saying that all this money was spent just to deceive someone? I mean that seems to be what youre stating. What had we done had you flown in or maybe one of the other 10k people who viewed the car online? Again Mark, youre assuming that people lack enough intelligence to view this and draw their own conclusions.
 
     Now Mark, why dont you spend some time answering some questions that might better your argument. Im sure many people here would love to get a better understanding of your incoherent rambles:
 
ALL AC components missing?
Gas tank rusted?
Floors rusted through?
Interior worn very badly?
 
     Those are only four questions that I know you have the ability to answer so lets give it a real honest try. Those are your words, remember, Im quoting you. Clarification, I think we all deserve it after reading over this novel.
 
Thanks,
Shawn
 
 
 
 
 

Mark,
 
     Facts.. yes you did contribute to strengthening my points so I do appreciate that. It is pretty clear who is having delusions here.
 
My restorer said it was rusted on the TOP-most likely from the car being left outside.
 
You do understand that every person who reads this can refer to the photos and look at the photos of the top side of the gas tank right? I mean its right there, brand new, visually in front of us all.
 
Would you like to see the emails regarding the incorrect and missing AC parts?
 
You claimed ALL AC COMPONENTS MISSING and now youre twisting it in to incorrect?. Again, its all right here in front of the world to see.
 
As for being a man, I dont even know where to begin. Lets start here:
 
charlatans
thief
fraud
kid
Shyster
s***k
 
     On and on and on, again, in front of all of us to view and draw our own conclusions. Which by the way, whoever you had call me posed as your Mother then because I remember this very distinctively as Ive never had someones mummy call me to sort out her sons affairs. Again, real men pick up phones or talk face to face. They dont prance around on the internet whining like a child who only wants what he feels he is entitled to.
 
     I told you that we would have refunded your money had you inspected or had the car inspected prior to it being shipped. No one on this planet is going to agree that your request is reasonable. Again, you acknowledge that I encouraged you to fly in, that I posted all over my ad to either have it inspected or that we would help you find someone to inspect it. I think some where in all of this garble you even acknowledged that I tried to persuade you to have it inspected prior to purchasing which is typically what I do with every single person who calls me with an interest in purchasing. In fact I had someone out yesterday inspecting a 69 Vet of ours for a customer on the East Coast.
 
     One other item I would like to point out once again, you refer to your car as being a DONOR CAR. I would strongly encourage every single person who reads this to follow the link to the car and evaluate it. That very car is what Mark here is referring to as being a DONOR with a rusted gas tank that is missing ALL AC COMPONENTS, that the floors were rusted out and as he drove it home he could see the road. Even through the sheet metal, undercoating, and brand new carpet (refer to photos). Hey at least you acknowledged driving it around. If youd have wrote that the car bursted in to flames just before blasting off in to outer space I might have believed you Mark. Giving your skewed and out of context perspective just isnt doing much for me. It didnt do anything for me then and it sure isnt working now. Call me dense but the proof is in the pudding, right here before us all. Grow up Mark and understand that no matter how much you twist and manipulate a story, you cant alter facts. The truth is right there in your own findings. That youre a narcissistic pathological liar. Good luck Mark, youre going to need it.
 
Thanks,
Shawn
 

Shawn,

It's only unfortunate that you didn't take your father's advice.  Why are you not answering my questions?  It only makes you look even more guilty.  See below:

 How is it 'being unrealistic' to ask for a refund once I get the car since your ad plainly states "If you're not happy, you DONT OWN IT!"?  I mean, I could see your point if I had waited a week to let you know that I wasn't happy, but I let you know within nine hours. Answer that, please.

 Why didn't you stand by your  own ad and refund my money? Why the runaround with the alleged seller, Rich?

You should really re-read your responses and see how you've either ignored or side-stepped my questions.  I will post pics taken during the restoration that should end any speculation whatsoever. I'll even grab a few stills from the video that will completely destroy your claim of ignorance.

Regards,

Mark

Mark,
 
     I personally inspected that vehicle. The gentleman in which you purchased it from owned two shops where all they did was restore Muscle cars. The same group of guys who restored your Mustang, restored all of these cars:
 
http://mmbrokers.com/index.php?categoryid=2&s=&
 
I have in fact sold many build jobs to customers who came in on a regular basis to inspect their vehicles as they were being created and all of which were nothing but ecstatic. Ive also sold many of the cars in which we restored for ourselves. Only to find customers who were extremely pleased with their purchase.
 
     Now I have never had a situation that has grown to this magnitude. Being in this business I have dealt with issues but typically they are easy to repair (transporters showing up later than anticipated, dead battery, etc.). Simple issues. Then we have the other side which I am familiar with as well. An issue that rarely happens but unfortunately it does take place. The worst scenario I have found myself in was when I sold a different Mustang to a gentleman down South. I was simply assisting the owner in selling his Mustang. Again, I personally inspected the vehicle and went through an entire shoe box of receipts which totaled up nearly 25k dollars. I did an entire spread on this Mustang as well. I even drove the hell out of it as the owner encouraged me to do so. So this gentleman who purchased the Mustang gives me a call. We discuss terms, he ends up purchasing the Mustang for 13k dollars. Mind you this Mustang has only been restored about six months at this point and had just about a thousand miles on it. After he explained to me that he was unable to fly in, I encouraged him to find someone to inspect it. That we would take it to any mechanic, any shop, anywhere he wanted to have it inspected prior to sending it off. Wisely, he took our advice.
 
     So the Mustang gets inspected by a company in which he had found. Everything checks out and he is beyond satisfied. Remember beyond satisfied, those are his words. He has a full ten page report, hundreds of photos to refer to because the gentleman spent nearly four hours around his vehicle to compile all of this data. So the car ships, a week later I get a call from the gentleman. He begins to tell me a very similar story as to what youre relaying. Things that simply did not add up. Items that were so completely off base such as the floors and trunk being rusted, etc. Things that any individual can see for themselves. (All AC components missing, rusted gas tank). I mean I had a receipt in my hand as well as a photo of the new floors being installed and the trunk after it had been soda blasted. This is when I quickly learned about two subjects that unfortunately happen. One being buyers remorse and two being that there are some people out there who will go to any lengths to try and sweeten their deal. This gentleman was dead set on squeezing another 5k dollars out of us. So we went back and forth then very ignorantly we decided on a large portion of that 5k back. All while I sat staring at every single one of the 84 photos that Id taken, the report that was compiled. I sat for days trying to figure out what the hell he was talking about only to find that Id been swindled.
 
     About a month later, a friend of mine attends a car show in that gentlemans area (sheer coincidence). A good friend of mine who Id actually discussed the events with and shown the car (only photos of course). He shows up and there the Mustang sits. This same gentleman has an entire block of people standing around his car and of course he is boasting about how great the car is all while relaying to them how much he paid. My buddy actually calls me to inform me that the car had not been altered and it appeared that nothing had been done to it. That the gentleman who had purchased it was not shy about his ability to get over on myself.
 
     So Mark, Im sorry you were not pleased with how this process turned out. When you make claims about the floors being rusted through, seeing the ground as you drove it home (you can see through undercoating, solid floors, and new carpet? Refer to photos),  AC components missing, gas tank being rusted out, when there is physical proof that shows otherwise, well its hard not to refer back to that very disturbing segment of my life. You also glossed over most of what was stated in my ad and took much of it out of context by inserting words in to my mouth such as perfect and distorting our process for using the Buy It Now option. Even by your own account, you admit that I encouraged you to fly in yet you imply that I tried to guide you not to? My personal belief is that you drummed me down on the price fairly considerably to begin with and believed you could do so farther. Youve also managed to avoid offering to sell it back to us, no response of any kind? One other thing I would like to point out. Those photos of the Mustang were taken only a couple of days prior to publishing it online.
 
     Again Mark, Im sorry this did not go as you had planned. I wasnt going to just sit back and let you run your skewed and bogus smear campaign. You should really read over every single thing youve posted here and be a little more methodical about your next response. My Father taught me a very important lesson when I was younger. When you tell the truth you get one story. When you lie, you shift, dodge, leap, and avoid all while your one story spins in to a countless number of stories. My suggestion, be honest about your intentions. Good luck and have a good day.
 
Thanks,
Shawn
 
 

Shawn,

You have a penchant for stretching the truth, don't you kid?  Let's clear a few things up here.  You're lying once again by claiming that you were 'calm and courteous' to my lawyer.  You yelled at him and hung up. Very immature & unprofessional. Here's why you did it-like most shysters, you knew that I would have to bring the suit to YOU in your home state and what that would financially entail for me. You knew that you had me between a rock and a hard place and played your cards perfectly. Secondly, you couldn't have spoken with my mother as she's been deceased since 1995.  You're not a psychic, I'm assuming?  The lies continue.  How is it 'being unrealistic' to ask for a refund once I get the car since your ad plainly states "If you're not happy, you DONT OWN IT!"?  I mean, I could see your point if I had waited a week to let you know that I wasn't happy, but I let you know within nine hours. Answer that, please.

And thirdly, how on Earth would you know how men act?

I'm done with you, as I've made my case and backed it up with FACTS, documentation, and photos.  I even have video for anyone interested.  Everyone who reads this can see how you misrepresented the car and should exercise caution in any dealings with you.  Oh, and that "new gas tank" you referred to?  My restorer said it was rusted on the TOP-most likely from the car being left outside.  More smoke and mirrors from M&M.  Would you like to see the emails regarding the incorrect and missing AC parts? I have 'em. The reason you're finding a lot of the faults I have listed hard to believe is most likely because you never looked over the car as you should have. Just admit it, Shawn.  Give yourself a shred of credibility just to see what it feels like.  You truly expect me, or anyone else here to believe that both wheel wells, shock towers and the frame and floor pans became rusted during the 600 mile transport? That all lighting and gauges outside of the headlamps ceased working? That the electrical wires were cut bumper to bumper?  ALL in transit? Wow.

You truly want to step up and 'be a man'?  Why didn't you stand by your own ad and refund my money? Why the runaround with the alleged seller, Rich?  A man would stand behind his words. Ask one, he'll tell you so.

Hey, great talking to you!

Mark

Shawn,

Based on your responses, I know you're a nice guy.  That's the main reason I developed a friendly rapport with you-you came across friendly, approachable, and knowledgable. That's also the main reason I felt so taken advantage of when I received the car. I do realize that all of this could have been avoided if I had flown up there to inspect the car in person. It was stupid not to, and this is something I struggled with for a long time afterward.  I simply didn't think it was necessary. As I said earlier, it was an expensive lesson to learn but I did learn.  I realize that you are a broker for other people selling their cars and not the actual owner.

Having said all of this, I do think you have some culpability here.

Please put yourself in my place for a moment.  It's after midnight and the transfer driver just called to say he is within a mile from my home and we agree to meet in a grocery store parking lot to take delivery of the Mustang.  I'm so excited I can barely contain myself as this is my first foray into vintage muscle cars and I plan on driving the heck out of my Mustang! Moments after he takes the car off the truck, it runs out of gas as soon as I attempt to leave the parking lot. I notice that the headlights are literally the only working electronic component on the entire car.  No brake lights, interior lights, nothing. It's alright, as my friend kept telling me as we pushed it to the side of the road and went to get a gas can across the street.  When I do get the car home, I decided to give the car a once-over to make sure that there weren't any other issues other than the electronics.  That's when I discovered the massive frame rust in the wheel wells, shock towers, and other places.  After that, it was a s****.>

Shawn, I believe that one of three things happened here as this was without a doubt, NOT a restored car by any stretch of the imagination. It was a #4 driver at best with a nice paint job.  You simply cannot have the amount of frame rust along with the other issues it had and refer to it as being "restored" While sitting in the driver's seat, I could literally see the ground near the accelerator pedal! One of the following took place:

1. The seller wrote the ad and you published it without inspecting the car thoroughly yourself.

2. You wrote the ad based on the seller's description without inspecting the car thoroughly yourself. 

3. You wrote the ad after quickly inspecting the car. 

Let me know your thoughts.

Thanks,

Mark

Mark,

     You've also implied quite a bit here. You've also taken much of what was stated in the ad and out of context which is pretty easy to see. Also, no where through out any of my description did I EVER state that this car was "perfect". It was very nice, a very strong number two car but it was not concoursed which you seem to imply. We did not use NOS parts to restore it which you were well aware of prior to purchasing. Again, I welcome anyone who is interested to view the ad themselves and draw your own conclusions. You got a very rare and nice Fastback for very little. It doesnt take an expert to evaluate this. You just wanted and still continue to want something for nothing and clearly you will distort the facts, smear, scream, kick, and cry to get what you want. Integrity, get some.

Thanks,
Shawn

Mark,

     Jim and I do not know one another, at least I don't think that we do? I believe he is just an individual expressing his opinion on the subject matter. You need to come to grips with reality. I'm sorry that you have remorse for your purchase but it is not my job to calculate your wants and needs. I deal with folks all the time who find deals that they believe were better than what they had purchased, who believe they could have made a better investment else where, but again it is not my job to direct your decision making. My job is to inform you of the vehicle you inquired about which I did. The reality is you bought a restored 1967 GT 390 four speed car with AC for 32k. I mean really stop and think about that for a moment. You couldnt touch that car even in this market for 32k. If its in the same condition as when it left here, I'll give you your 32k for it and buy it back, how does that sound? You get to own and drive a 67 GT BIG BLOCK four speed Fastback for five years and you're able to sell it back for what you paid for it. So whats it going to be? You want to act like a child and try extorting me with this kind of nonsense, sell me the car back and all will be remedied. I'm willing to bet that won't be happening..

Shawn

Shawn,

My 'perception' of the purchase of the car is based in reality, unlike yours.  I noticed that you're still conducting business on ebay and if I can save one person from becoming a victim of your lies by giving my account of doing business with you on this website, then I can take some solace in that.  Not surprisingly, you misquoted me several times in your fictional account of how the events played out.  While you did indeed mention that I could fly in, you followed that up with "I'm telling you this car is EXACTLY as I'm describing it to you." As you will recall, we had several discussions about the car and its condition. You repeatedly assured me that what I saw in the ad, was what I was getting.

Here'a where your memory is failing you again.  Remember the video clips I sent you from the evening I took delivery of the car?  You know, the ones that showed in great detail the MAJOR rust issues that you claimed didn't exist, the wiring that was cut from bumper to bumper, the complete inoperability of EVERY gauge, light, & switch? Even the transfer truck driver offered to be a witness as to the condition of the Mustang!  Also how about the hood that was promised but somehow never arrived?  

While quoting your ads in your response, you haven't acknowledged your "If you aren't happy, you don't OWN it!" slogan. How exactly does that work, anyway?  Apparently, it was indeed just a slogan and nothing more as I asked to be compensated on several occasions.  When you refused, you then offered a partial refund only to reneg on that as well.

Your NADA reference is irrelevant & laughable since NADA doesn't have a category for "Donor Car".  That's what I got- A $32K donor car and nothing more.

So, to truly recap:

-You're a liar, and I have documentation, emails, and video to prove it. 
-This car is so far removed from how you described it that the situation would almost be deemed comical if
it weren't so pathetic and fraudulent.
-The fact that you say "maybe a phone call?" truly makes me laugh out loud.  Five years pass, and now you'd like to talk on the phone? How about when you weren't taking my calls and even gave me the alleged number of the 'seller' whom I tried to contact 5 times within a 24 hour period only to call you after each and every attempt just to hear you say "Oh, he was working when you tried to call. I just talked to him so call him NOW".  

In closing, nothing I said is defamatory since I can prove everything.  As you will recall, my lawyer called you to discuss the situation you launched into a tirade about "He bought that car AS IS!" and then hung up the phone.  I'm no therapist, but that doesn't seem like the actions of an honest person.  I even have an email from you stating " I understand your position and Rich (the owner) is on the same page. I
was unable to touch base with him in person tonight so I am going to run the list over to him tomorrow. I did speak to him over the phone and gave him a brief run down. I will either call or email tomorrow with an update." This is a direct quote cut & paste.  Still waiting to hear from "Rich".

Cheers,

Mark

This is the section that was within my auction:

While it is not required, the buyer of this car will be given the option of inspecting this car or having it inspected once terms are agreed upon. If you are not thrilled that it was as described, you won't own it!!! We'll even refund your deposit! Please note that a deposit is required for all transactions and ALL funds must clear the sellers bank before the vehicle departs!

Here is the car in question:

http://mmbrokers.com/newcars/67gts/67gts.htm

Keyword: Deposit. Which we do typically refund once the owner flys in and inspects the vehicle or has it inspected. Not after it has traveled to the other side of the country. Mark cleverly decided to disregard this section of our statement only to better support his skewed argument. Again, we did state that this Mustang was in fact fully restored and anyone who is interested is welcome to view it as it is still on my site. My personal opinion is that Mark here had a case of buyers remorse before the car ever arrived and expected us to compensate him for this. Again, you can view the Mustang for yourself and draw your own conclusion. One other correction, I published just over 60 photos of the Mustang, not 100. I do apologize for any confusion that might have caused. Typically I do publish at least 100 photos which you can view by checking out some of my other vehicles both sold and available.

Thanks,

Shawn

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Mark,
 
     You purchased the Mustang nearly five years ago and clearly your perception of your purchase is completely off base, delusional at best. One, I encouraged you to have the Mustang inspected prior to purchasing. I told you specifically that I would accommodate you and assist you in anyway if you could fly in to inspect the Mustang yourself. I offered to even help you find a third party inspection company to evaluate the vehicle prior to purchasing. Again, something I offer to every single person who shows an interest in any of our vehicles. All of which you declined Im too busy, I cant get away. It is some what amusing how youve disregarded other sections of what I put within every single one of my ads be that on eBay or otherwise:
 
While it is not required, the buyer of this car will be given the option of inspecting this car or having it inspected once terms are agreed upon.
 
     In regards to your theory of Buy It Nows and avoiding eBay procedure, that is absolutely 100% false. I offered (as it states) to add the Buy It Now option once a price was agreed upon. You said that is not necessary, Ill take it due to the fact that Id published over 100 photos of the Mustang and provided a detailed description. Anyone willing is welcome to refer to my site www.MMAutoClassics.com and you will find that I publish more information (videos, photos, descriptions, inspections, etc.) than any other individual out there and I do this on EVERY single car. The only reason I do not maintain a set Buy It Now price is because I have had a tremendous amount of issues from people hitting the Buy It Now button yet not purchasing so again, I encourage folks to call and when a price is agreed upon then I typically add it to my auctions.
 
     Now for your claims in regards to the Mustang. When the Mustang arrived it had ran out of gas while you and the driver attempted to take it off of the trailer. You called me immediately demanding compensation. Later that evening, you called me yet again to tell me that one of the sun visors was not staying up and that the door on the overhead console would not stay latched. This is when you began demanding that I give you a full refund and incur both shipping costs too and from. Never once did we discuss 25%. The only thing you demanded was a full refund and compensation which was completely out of line. You had also beat me down on our price of 40k to 32k. Here is the Nada value on that car:
 




TOTAL PRICE

N/A

$30,900

$36,150

$44,850
 
     You got a beyond Average Mustang (more towards the High Retail end of the scale) at a Low Retail price. To go to this extent is not only petty and shows a true lack of character but it is truly pathetic. So to recap:
 

You passed on a Buy It Now.
You passed on flying in to inspect the car even with us offering to accommodate you (pick you up from the airport, put you up in a hotel, feed you, things that we do for all potential buyers, I have an endless amount of references)
You passed on us assisting you to find a third party company to inspect the vehicle.
You demanded only a full refund plus additionals (transport costs both too and from)
Now youre on the internet five years later with conspiracy theories jumping up and down like a child.
 
     Maybe a phone call to discuss and negotiate would have been sufficient? I would strongly advise you to take down your defamatory remarks and either call me to discuss your issues or I will have no choice but to take full legal action. This is completely unacceptable.
 
Thanks,
Shawn

Jim...I mean Shawn.. I mean, which Middaugh are you? Anyhoo, believe me I did learn from my experience and thanks for your concern.  It was an expensive lesson, but that's what happens when you take someone's word these days-especially a shyster car dealer. I've been lied to by car dealers before but NEVER to this degree.   Jimmy, you're not the sharpest tool in the shed but then again neither is your alter ego, Shawn.  Just FYI, it's "exercising" and "there".  What you said was plain stupid. Now learn from it.

You can show whatever proof you want and all it does is bolster the very obvious fact you took on all the risks by sending off money to somebody you don't know to buy a used car you've never seen or even checked out. Are their crooks in the Sleazy American Car Business...absolutely! This only shows the need to exercize common sense when dealing with them. Nothing you can say can provide any defense. What you did was plain stupid. Now learn from your experience.

You can show whatever proof you want and all it does is bolster the very obvious fact you took on all the risks by sending off money to somebody you don't know to buy a used car you've never seen or even checked out. Are their crooks in the Sleazy American Car Business...absolutely! This only shows the need to exercize common sense when dealing with them. Nothing you can say can provide any defense. What you did was plain stupid. Now learn from your experience.

Unfortunately you cannot automatically trust anyone you don't know (and some you do know, I'm sorry to say)

These kinds of reports MAY help someone else either with this particular dealer (we don't know their side of the story, if there is one) or with any transaction like this.

Good luck!

You make a valid point and under normal circumstances it would have merit.  The thing that stopped me from flying in personally were the dozen or so phone calls we had about the condition of the car where I walked Middaugh through EVERY single word in the description just to confirm that what I was buying was what he had described in the ad.  Middaugh put me at ease, and I made the mistake of trusting someone to tell the truth.  If Shawn Middaugh had only told the truth in the ad and not lied and embellished the description, this would be a non-event.  Instead, he chose to lie as this is what he does best.  LIED about the condition of the car (see description. Didn't even come close!) LIED about 'not suggesting to broker a deal outside of ebay', LIED about refunding my money under the guise of "If you're not happy, you don't pay!".  A complete and utter shyster that will get his due, believe me.  Do a search for them on ebay.  You can't miss them, Vintage cars that have shiny Maaco-esque paint jobs, completely fraudulent and erroneous descriptions, and some s***k standing beside them.  You stay classy, M & M. Chapter 11 is calling. 

I previously wrote "no one would be so stupid as to send $32K for a car sight unseen" OK, Mark, you proved my statement to be incorrect. You proved that you are that stupid.

OK, so unfortunately your report is not bogus - but - Why in the world would you buy any car, let alone a restored car, on line, sight unseen.  That just seems like a disaster waiting to happen.

For a $32,000.00 investment it would be an easy decision to fly to wherever it is, even pay a good mechanic if you're not an expert, to look it over.  Would have been money well spent.

I feel sorry for you but it just seems like you could have easily avoided the whole problem with a little 'due diligence'.

Good luck!

 

I had a feeling you might respond like that so I thought I'd let everyone hear what a fraud
you are before attaching the proof of my claim.  Your memory is conveniently fuzzy, as you were the one-as stated WITHIN YOUR AD-that recommended the deal being brokered outside of ebay. Now, I know why.  Karma can be a b***h, Middaugh.  Your outright lies have been highlighted and anyone can contact me directly to discuss this criminal.

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This report must be bogus because no one would be so stupid as to send $32K for a car sight unseen in addition to losing eBay Buyer Protection by violating eBay policy by purchasing that car outside of eBay.