Complaint Review: Mesa Arizona - Judges - Police - Mesa Arizona

John, apparently we have to lower our vocabulary and use small words to make it clear to you, you ignorant, gutless, sissy: FRAUD IS FRAUD. You and your colleagues lie every day, and my particular case included multiple cases of easily provable lies, and the scumbucket who arrested me has a long record of bogus crap. Yes, dirtwad, I was arrested, but not for a crime; I was arrested for the short-term ego and "scalp gathering" benefit of one of your cowardly, as----e associates, even though I WAS MYSELF A CRIME VICTIM. Thus, due to the dishonesty of another scumbag, I was now the victim of multiple crimes, to include fraud by your silly-assed, chickenshit organization, which also (I have witnesses and documentation to this, John, you gutless maggot piece of dung, and can prove it in open court, and would welcome the easy opportunity to humiliate this filth) includes obstruction of justice and obfuscation by removal of exculpatory evidence. Now, you lowlife, knuckle dragging ratbastard, let me make this clear: if you and you colleagues want to contest even one word of that, let me know. You wouldn't have a chance! It's really easy for you pissants, with your kevlar vests and fully automatic weapons--and I hasten to add a lower injury and fatality rate than at least 100 professions, including MY OWN--to pretend you are doing something dangerous or adventurous, but what you do is LIE!!!!!!! A jury agreed with me. Yes, innocent on all charges, and the jury foreman called me and suggested I pursue perjury and criminal harassment and other charges against your maggot colleague AND THE PROSECUTOR. I had already tried, and could not find anyone willing to even pursue civil action. Indeed, the Romley running dog prosecutor I approached told me my evidence was good, tried to scam me into handing over my witnesses, etc., and then threatened me when I perceived the shitwad's REAL motives. These scum belong in prison , forever. They are far worse than any of the so-called "crooks" they deal with. That these maggots were finally willing to make some recent meth arrests, based on information developed in Ohio, is fascinating. Many of the rats thus busted were the ones I tried to report more than twelve years ago. John, if a fair federal administration ever hits Washington, you are DOOMED, and so are the pukebuckets you work with. You are NOT a cop. You are a goddamned nuisance, and your "department" is something of which any decent Mesa citizen should be ashamed. Mesa P.D. is a cancer and a disorder, and needs to be excised.

Oh, lovely! Mesa Councilman Rex Griswold, recently arrived darling and flunky protector of the corruption rats who run Mesa P.D., has just "predicted" there will be a "nationwide search" for Dennis Donna's replacement. Yes, indeed. Nationwide search. Yup. It will end with the most malleable, dishonest lap puppet for the liars and criminals of the local establishment and their dirtbag cronies, just as it has the last several times this mockery was gone through, including the "search" for the toad, Hutchinson, personal lap dog and flunky puppet for Charles Luster, the last openly MormoNazi City Manager. The "Nationwide Search" is a front, a bogus, "makework" giveaway for some consulting firm to give the impression this retarded and demented "police department" actually serves some public function and obeys some societal rules, neither of which has ever been true. Council Griswold, is that monkey still available? He would surely be better than most of the officers of Mesa P.D. I have met, and perhaps he could be trained or housebroken. The last two results of P.D. "searches" were worse than useless; that COULD BE because you are looking in a SEWER...namely, Mesa P.D. There are damned few gems to be found amongst the smelly lumpies. Do none of you gutless toads know the meaning of words like "reform" and "ethics"? We've had enough perjurers and criminals. Someone who has had some real law enforcement experience might be a good idea, and I cannot think of a single denizen of this collection of spinless bugs who meets even a small portion of that specification. Find another venue for your silly lies, Councilman Griswold. We've seen too much.

Well, well. Mesa, finally, got involved in a major methamphetamine drug bust. What the "house organ" of corrupt Maricopa County Government DOES NOT tell the "citizens" is: (1. This is the VERY SAME drug business upon which I and several other citizens were reporting 17 years ago, and being constantly shrugged off and even told to "go away" and it was a "silly fantasy". Even the addresses of most of the arrests were ones we supplied. Which means, for all intents and purposes, this same work could have been done more than a decade and a half ago, before how ever many people died and got corrupted grew to such vast numbers; (2. These arrests would never have happened if it had not been for the expanding tentacles of this very well-developed illegal business stretching clear to Ohio and elsewhere...meaning the locals, as usual, proved to be their customary ignorant, corrupt, incompetent, cowardly selves, and nothing would have happened in a positive sense--as is ALWAYS the case in Mesa--without profound pressure from outside. Here, complete as it run but without much productive information for assessing the performances of these sluggards is the candied-up version of what happened, as presented by THE ARIZONA REPUBLIC...basically a propaganda piece, but if you read between the lines, then you learn something. ............................................... Bust topples Mesa ring, police say Bust topples Mesa ring, police say The Arizona Republic Sept. 21, 2005 12:00 AM A three-year investigation of drugs smuggled from Mexico started with tracing 90 percent pure Mexican methamphetamine seized in Cleveland, Ohio to a major drug ring in Mesa. It culminated Tuesday in the East Valley in a series of arrests that authorities say crippled the Mendivil Vega drug ring, which sometimes used children to distribute meth, cocaine and marijuana throughout the Valley and nation. Mesa police and federal Drug Enforcement Administration agents arrested eight of 51 suspects named in a 285-count indictment and served five more with summonses. Arizona Attorney General Terry Goddard said he conservatively estimates the Mesa-based ring shipped 20 pounds of meth, 20 kilograms of cocaine and 500 pounds of marijuana a month to several states, including New York, Colorado, Nebraska, Illinois, Ohio and Kentucky. "This is the largest, in terms of suspects and the amount of drugs, in recent history," Mesa Police Chief Dennis Donna said. Police suspect several shootings are connected to the ring, including that of suspected kingpin Levi Mendivil Vega, a Mesa resident who was among 11 suspects in custody before Tuesday morning's raids, Donna said. Mendivil Vega is charged with conspiracy, participating in a criminal syndicate, illegal enterprise and using minors in drug offenses. Children were used in the transportation and sale of drugs, with a child present during the sale of a pound of meth, police said. Although the ring's turf was a three- to five-mile area of central Mesa, it had stash houses and made drug sales throughout the Valley, Donna said. Police said the drug business involved several generations of the same family and had operated for about five years. The ring specialized in the importation and distribution of drugs from Mexico, said Special Agent-in-Charge Douglas Hebert of the DEA's Phoenix office. "I think initially there will be a void, but there's probably someone who will step up to the plate and fill those shoes," Hebert said. Donna said a key factor in the investigation was the use of wiretaps arranged by prosecutors with the Attorney General's Office with the help of the DEA. The DEA and Mesa police worked together to bring down the ring after they discovered in early 2004 that they were targeting the same suspects, Donna said. Without the wiretaps, "we'd be hard-pressed to make that happen," Donna said. Officers and agents had no problems in making the arrests, mostly in Mesa, officials said.Goddard said the ring was crippled because police arrested top management, middle management and low-level dealers. The arrests grew out of a previous takedown in March, when 13 people were indicted on federal drug charges. Arrested Tuesday were: Jose Chaidez, 26, charged with using minors in drug offenses; Jose Angel Corrales Jr., 20, charged with transfer or offer to sell drugs; Bailey Elizabeth Dornan, 30, charged with auto theft and operating an illegal enterprise; Javier Gastelum, 33, charged with trafficking in stolen property; Carmen Lynn Gastelo, charged with numerous counts of using electronic communication to commit a felony; Oscar Manuel Guillen, 21, charged with transportation for sale of marijuana; Henry Silva, 22, charged with illegally conducting a criminal enterprise and other charges; and Jonmichael Anthony Ruiz, 20, charged with illegally conducting a criminal enterprise. .......................................... Check some of the online threads for addresses of posts--open internet informing, actually--on address on Doran Street and Stapley, among others, from over a decade ago, and you will see what is meant.

Mesa's "management" is so crazy and wasteful, it is leading to cracks in their facade. How they managed to find a citizen's group retarded enough to not notice the wasted money and eroded business base, not to mention the crime problems which the so-called "police department" is NOT addressing, must be very hilarious. Still, the sales tax is going to pieces, which is why the "police" (I hesitate to call them that, even as a joke) are so predatory and aggressive, without actually dealing with anyone DANGEROUS. Why, the could get HURT!!!!! My suggestion: sell the city and divide it up amongst Scottsdale, Apache Junction, Tempe, Gilbert, Chandler, and Phoenix, and put the perpetrators who have made it into a little concentration camp and resort for lunatics of their and some other persuasions, and of course, for the methamphetamine trade, deep into some dungeon somewhere, forever, where they have belonged for a very long time. But here's what is ACTUALLY happening, told from the "house organ" of the local fascist lunatics. ...................................... Mesa voters may be asked to O-K new taxes MESA, Ariz. A citizen's committee says Mesa voters should be asked to O-K a new city property tax and raise sales taxes to provide a stable funding source for the city. Mesa faces a projected budget shortfall of 24 (m) million dollars by 2007 and 78 (m) million by 2011. The committee report says the city should have a property tax for the first time since 1945, but didn't recommend a rate. It also says the city's sales tax should be increased to one point seven five percent. The city council has until January to decide if voters will be asked to O-K the taxes in May's election. The 14-member committee was charged with examining the city's finances and coming up with recommendations on how to deal with upcoming issues. They reported to the city council that they found no sign of financial mismanagement. ___ Information from: East Valley Tribune/Scottsdale Tribune, http://www.aztrib.com Copyright 2005 ................................. This is an obvious attempt by the same liars and thieves to protect their phoney-baloney jobs, at any price. This and their "stability pay" and their distortions of the city charter... Maybe they should build another of their insane "Art Centers" and charge more admission... say, $250 a head. I doubt it would have any effect on attendance, since no one is interested in seeing the visual reminders of the lunatics who run the city, anyway. There's enough of that right outside. Or, more practically, since the sniveling worms are unable to confront the meth dealers: why not try taxing THEM? They are, after all, the biggest business in town, and the "people" who run the city are apparently already deriving some kind of revenue from them.... Meantime, count on it: this very day, more annoyed legitimate citizens left town, more illegals and other criminals moved in, and the "old guard" made more dollars of the selfsame ripoff violations from which they have prospered for over a century.

Mario Madrigal's parents called the Mesa Police for help with a suicidal child. They got murder for their efforts. I was told a while ago that Mesa (the whole city government, I mean) figures EVERYONE who isn't an LDS member in good standing is a "snitch" trying to distract the police from various crimes of their own. I didn't believe it. I do now. I had a 200-year old Turkish water pipe, bronze, inlaid with ivory, which I inherited from my grandfather, in use as a centerpiece in my dining room when I called about a break-in. This had not had anything in it (and now I know that for sure) illegal in probably a century or two, but led to all sorts of weird questions and investigations, and my friends are pretty sure I am still under surveillance by Mesa P.D. How strange! How nuts! But they have their agenda. How pitiful it has nothing to do with the law or improving the community.

Mario Madrigal's parents called the Mesa Police for help with a suicidal child. They got murder for their efforts. I was told a while ago that Mesa (the whole city government, I mean) figures EVERYONE who isn't an LDS member in good standing is a "snitch" trying to distract the police from various crimes of their own. I didn't believe it. I do now. I had a 200-year old Turkish water pipe, bronze, inlaid with ivory, which I inherited from my grandfather, in use as a centerpiece in my dining room when I called about a break-in. This had not had anything in it (and now I know that for sure) illegal in probably a century or two, but led to all sorts of weird questions and investigations, and my friends are pretty sure I am still under surveillance by Mesa P.D. How strange! How nuts! But they have their agenda. How pitiful it has nothing to do with the law or improving the community.

Mario Madrigal's parents called the Mesa Police for help with a suicidal child. They got murder for their efforts. I was told a while ago that Mesa (the whole city government, I mean) figures EVERYONE who isn't an LDS member in good standing is a "snitch" trying to distract the police from various crimes of their own. I didn't believe it. I do now. I had a 200-year old Turkish water pipe, bronze, inlaid with ivory, which I inherited from my grandfather, in use as a centerpiece in my dining room when I called about a break-in. This had not had anything in it (and now I know that for sure) illegal in probably a century or two, but led to all sorts of weird questions and investigations, and my friends are pretty sure I am still under surveillance by Mesa P.D. How strange! How nuts! But they have their agenda. How pitiful it has nothing to do with the law or improving the community.

I was a public defender in Mesa for several years. For reasons involving privilege, I cannot be more specific. I still practice, but go NOWHERE near Mesa, Arizona. As my young career evolved, I handled cases in both municipal and county courts. What I saw was so disgusting, it made me question my ever seeking a legal education. I saw and heard things in police reports and in sworn testimony from police officers which were simply impossible, and was told not to challenge them or the judge would not "take it well". They were not just fiction and fantasy, they were absurd contrivances to "prove" someone guilty of crimes which were, if not downright false, always grotesque exaggerations. This is not to say that many of my clients were not guilty. This I am not supposed to judge. However, I can note here that most of them were not quite guilty of the charges for which they stood trial, or with which they were charged. In some cases, defendants were charged with crimes which took place far, far from where they were, and the alibis were ironclad solid. And yet, I was told never to press too hard for dismissal. A few were simple mistaken identify, but I was horrified when my boss told me to just "shut up and proceed"... What amazed me was, the prosecutors generally knew they had the wrong person, and yet persisted. Oddly, when I finally located another job, a better one, and decided to simply go ahead and win, I fell into serious disfavor. Bear in mind, I am discussing about a half-dozen significant felony cases which were obviously fraudulent. Then I, myself (I am a Baptist, I do not imbibe alcohol) started to be stopped by the police for all kinds of strange traffic citations, every one false. Once, seeing the prosecutor's evidence and knowing my client was not only innocent, but could not possibly have done the "crime" of which he stood accused, and in the presence of the judge, I simply advised all parties present that the repercussion of proceeding would be a disaster for the city of Mesa. I was censured for this. Their zeal wound up in a huge lawsuit, still pending, I believe, in which they will ultimately have to pay many millions. I supposedly "threatened the court"... I did not, of course. What I said is on an ethical borderline, but by no means a threat. Mesa does not observe the normal rules of law, ethics, and even ordinary decent human behavior. The city police and courts are predators, plain and simple, and need to be treated accordingly. I enter this rebuttal on a friend's computer, in my new home town.

What an understatement! Mesa has lost so many institutions, and when the made their "end run" play for an NFL stadium, a quick league investigation determined there was no way a stadium would ever be built in such a dishonest, corrupt community. Yes, EVERYBODY who looks knows how rotten Mesa is... Third rate, chicken cops, n**i judges with only "Temple Recommend" credentials, all very palsy with the a*s-kissers on the City Council, quite willing to murder kids like Mario Madrigal (these maggots could easily have disarmed the kid, there were three of the cowards), their dumbass art center, their wasting of your tax dollars, the Mormon "make-work" police department whose sniveling little weasel cowards may shoot hell out of your kids, but NEVER challenge a real crook--that's what Mesa is ABOUT. Governments and institutions are judged by what they accomplish, not by whether charming folks work for them. That's b.s. And Mesa city government, especially the wimpy sissies of their "cop shop", is a corrosive, criminal pack of rats, despite the presence of maybe one or two decent guys. The City Manager's office and the maggots of the Judiciary are even more incompetent, dishonest scumballs. Why dignify these rats with more respect than they deserve? Why distinguish between one cockroach and the next? Every day I live here annoys me more, they are raping the community and stealing its money, for their own narrow, financial purposes.

I think it is funny that somebody says all those reports come from the same guy because of "syntax"... My pal, Nando, went to journalism school, and speaks 4 languages, and has put reports on here for a dozen or so people. Maybe his translation is what this clown is talking about. Some of their English is not so good. What I DO know is, there are probably lots of nice people on Mesa Police department. But you don't judge organizations or movements by "decent men"...you judge them and are wary of them or positive toward them by what they do. The S.S., GESTAPO, OGPU, even the KGB probably had lots of "nice guys" working for them. So did Enron and IMclone. And they were still scumbag organizations. I have seen what Mesa P.D. and the area prosecutors do, and was nearly their victim more than once. What I can tell you is, they do NOT do truth, justice, or even "law enforcement". They are just the local n**i gang. I have been pushed and so have my neighbors. We are not of the correct color or faith, is the main thing. And yes, some of them have been polite. But they are still what they are, and that is full-time criminals, under the thumb of people who rightly belong in prison.

I know two of the guys who responded above, to the original report. But the others? No. Thing is, injustice in Mesa is real common. So is perjury, obstruction of justice, cowardly conduct on the part of the "cops" (such as these little wimps are), corruption in the city government and the county prosecutor's office... There are SO MANY victims we run into each other, by accident. One guy, he was letting some folks use his computer for lots of things. What I know is, Mesa is a toilet. Ever hear of the Brown and Markley cases? These dips will prosecute a ham sandwich of being OR not being salty, if it suits the local agenda. It's that simple. Corruption is corruption. Crime is crime. Mesa city government is pretty much a crime, all by itself. Syntax? What the hell is that?

Seems like there are lots of good folks in Mesa government. That's interesting, but it doesn't change what goes on. This place is scary. So much crime! Don't know those other guys. Some of the traffic stuff is weird. The judges don't even pay attention to the truth. And cops don't tell it.

Seems like there are lots of good folks in Mesa government. That's interesting, but it doesn't change what goes on. This place is scary. So much crime! Don't know those other guys. Some of the traffic stuff is weird. The judges don't even pay attention to the truth. And cops don't tell it.

Seems like there are lots of good folks in Mesa government. That's interesting, but it doesn't change what goes on. This place is scary. So much crime! Don't know those other guys. Some of the traffic stuff is weird. The judges don't even pay attention to the truth. And cops don't tell it.

Seems like there are lots of good folks in Mesa government. That's interesting, but it doesn't change what goes on. This place is scary. So much crime! Don't know those other guys. Some of the traffic stuff is weird. The judges don't even pay attention to the truth. And cops don't tell it.

I've read just about all the comments here and the one thing that stands out is that they all sound the same. Not the part about having a grudge against the Mesa police department, but the language and syntax. It all sounds like it was written by the same person. If that's true then the Mesa P.D. might not be as bad as these threads make it out to be. For my part, I've only delt with them a couple of times in the seven years I've lived in Mesa and I have to say the ones I spoke with weren't that bad. They didn't do anything dishonest with me. I'm not saying Mesa doesn't have some really big problems, but I think it's worth reserving judgement on the police department as a whole, because I know there are at least two or three of them that seem to be honest, decent people.

The credibility of anything to do with law or law enforcement in these little fiefdoms of madness is less than ZERO. In my work, I have seen these idiot, incompetent cops say things on the stand, under oath, which any moron knows COULD NOT be true, and scum judges like this drip Eppich accept their filthy lies, and effectively suppress the truth. It amazes me that liars and murderers and criminally corrupt scum like Mesa P.D. are even allowed to exist, let alone in their ridiciulous numbers. Don't call them for help. They are very likely to kill you, if you are not LDS. This is not a "police department", it is gangrenous infection. And so are the asswipe judges. What a sick mess!

The credibility of anything to do with law or law enforcement in these little fiefdoms of madness is less than ZERO. In my work, I have seen these idiot, incompetent cops say things on the stand, under oath, which any moron knows COULD NOT be true, and scum judges like this drip Eppich accept their filthy lies, and effectively suppress the truth. It amazes me that liars and murderers and criminally corrupt scum like Mesa P.D. are even allowed to exist, let alone in their ridiciulous numbers. Don't call them for help. They are very likely to kill you, if you are not LDS. This is not a "police department", it is gangrenous infection. And so are the asswipe judges. What a sick mess!

The credibility of anything to do with law or law enforcement in these little fiefdoms of madness is less than ZERO. In my work, I have seen these idiot, incompetent cops say things on the stand, under oath, which any moron knows COULD NOT be true, and scum judges like this drip Eppich accept their filthy lies, and effectively suppress the truth. It amazes me that liars and murderers and criminally corrupt scum like Mesa P.D. are even allowed to exist, let alone in their ridiciulous numbers. Don't call them for help. They are very likely to kill you, if you are not LDS. This is not a "police department", it is gangrenous infection. And so are the asswipe judges. What a sick mess!

The credibility of anything to do with law or law enforcement in these little fiefdoms of madness is less than ZERO. In my work, I have seen these idiot, incompetent cops say things on the stand, under oath, which any moron knows COULD NOT be true, and scum judges like this drip Eppich accept their filthy lies, and effectively suppress the truth. It amazes me that liars and murderers and criminally corrupt scum like Mesa P.D. are even allowed to exist, let alone in their ridiciulous numbers. Don't call them for help. They are very likely to kill you, if you are not LDS. This is not a "police department", it is gangrenous infection. And so are the asswipe judges. What a sick mess!

Mesa P.D. showed its mettle 8-25-2003 by putting 10 of 15 bullets into a 115-pound Latino child, Mario Madrigal, who had been drinking and who apparently had a tiny little knife. Officers Richard Henry and Mark Beckett, and Sergeant Orlando Dean shot the kid, who was apparently already down on the ground. The shooters have already been "cleared" by the Mesa-friendly (and also LDS) office of County Attorney Rick Romley. Tell you what: even if this is not criminal conduct in the very most technical sense, it is reprehensible, and a major sin, murder in the moral sense, even if not in the legal context. Sex scandals, several very questionable shootings of citizens (Ever notice none of these involve really hard core crooks? I don't think Mesa P.D. ever even brushes against THOSE folks, who are LEGION in Mesa), a major lawsuit by its own officers for discrimination against non-Mormons, lots of financial shennanigans...why do we citizens find it odd that even brisk wrist-slapping does not seem to be in the City of Mesa's lexicon? The reason is simple. This town is being overrun by professional drug dealers, "coyotes", shady businessmen of all sorts, and other, very brutal criminal types, and we think the police here are pretty much just another criminal gang. They sure as HELL lack the courage to deal with real trouble.

John, you should try professional comedy.,

You obviously can't do anything law enforcement or fact related.

I noted from your idiotic letter: "who will you call when your life is in danger...????" Where does this s**t come from, anyway? Surely not you, John, I in that case would already have ONE criminal to deal with, why would I need TWO????

And knowing Mesa P.D. and their typical cowardly, overwhelming response, it wouldn't be just you, it would be an entire herd of sniveling, gutless fruitcakes.

If my life is in danger, John, I will call someone I can trust, and that is not you or the pisswads you work for/with. All you do is lie and make messes, like any other ill-trained dog.

I have, in my time here in Mesa, called you jerkfaced incompetents only when required by insurance stuff. And even then, your moronic "response" and general bumbling made me wish I had just taken the loss and moved on.

Try going to work for someone with some ethics, John... ETHICS.... Ever hear that word??? Mesa P.D. hasn't, that I know.

No, I have never been arrested, although your department has asked me some incredibly stupid questions about a kidnapping and some other really bizarre crap I had nothing to do with and knew nothing about. You pieces of smegma just take of a lot of unnecessary time, for an agenda which has nothing to do with the citizens.

Tell me, you stupid son of a b***h, can you tell me of even ONCE your department solved ANYTHING with actual police work? I never even HEARD of that happening...snitches, blind, dumb luck, etc., etc., but your whole department, cumulatively, lacks the intelligence of a potato. (((REDACTED FOUL LANGUAGE))) coward!!!

No wonder we don't have a fuctioning Police Department! "John" evades the actual flow of the conversation with straw man crap like "usually" and "generally", without ever even discussing the main points and problems. John, you need to take a broader, wiser view. For example, you and most of your colleagues are actually nothing more than lilly-livered chickenshit scum. And that, John, is a simple fact. That and lying bastards, most of whom really DO belong in prison. Perjury, John, perjury, you lying, gutless worm...ever HEARD of it? Just myself, I know seven of your scum-sucking brother officers who should be doing hard time, just on that one charge. Add bribery and other forms of corruption and it is damned near all of them. John, you are a liar, and probably a thief, and DEFINITELY a worthless coward. Forget law enforcement. Your experience MIGHT qualify you as a pimp, men's room attendant in a gay bar, or something like that...but you ARE NOT any kind of real cop. Your department will sooner or later be subjected to vigorous outside examination. The day that is announced, you and about 80-90% of the pieces of s**t you work with better pack your bags and leave the United States completely. We KNOW where the bodies are buried, John, and we have heard your lies and cover stories before. Kiss your cowardly a*s goodbye, and tell your LDS brethren their time is coming soon, and I DO NOT mean in the religious sense. Oh, maybe I should mention, ratbastard, I entered this on a friend's computer, 2000+ miles away. But I am coming home, gutless wonder, soon.

John, you and I have the same employer. But unlike you, I haven't adopted the "party line", and I know who and what I am and what purpose I serve. John, let's face it: the main thing Mesa would enjoy if there were more of us is higher CRIME. We are in the business of avoiding trouble and kissing asses. Sure, we hassle people, mainly decent, hard-working stiff we can exploit for money. The job is bullshit, and you know it. Mesa already has more cops than it needs, and you are one it NEVER needed. I'll be moving on in a few weeks, taking a better position for a little less money but much easier on my conscience. If you see someone wearing the uniform and laughing at his sergeant or supervisor, that will be me. This is a clown act and a w***e business, and I am not cut out for either, and neither is anyone decent. Next time you look in the mirror, John, you lying b*****d, try to tell yourself the truth: WE ARE NOT THE SOLUTION, WE ARE THE PROBLEM.

Notice that John, the Mesa cop, doesn't answer a single contention in the original report? He instead accuses the guy who wrote it of being anti-police (which is ridiculous, Mesa HAS no real police, in the sense most people mean it) and then whines and snivels about what a tough job it is. In Mesa, cops risk NOTHING. They don't get in physical confrontrations, they just SHOOT, immediately and to the end of their 15-17 round magazines. And when one of them commits a crime, which is MANY times each day, the others all form a tight line to cover his a*s. Don't fall for all the psuedo-patriotic bullshit. Mesa cops are NOT brave, have NOTHING to do with law enforcement, are as anti-American and as UN-AMERICAN as you can get without actually being on Osama Bin Laden's personal staff. They are criminal cowards, overpaid, with a ratbastard crook as a chief, worse than the last one. f**k you, John, right in your Mormon licking a*s.

John, I was reading through these reports on Mesa, most of which are pretty understated, going all the way down on the rebuttals, and thinking how my own experience in law enforcement and what I see here is so very different, and then I saw the moronic crap you contributed. John, if you live in Mesa and especially if you work for this local collection of bozos, you don't know a damned thing about LAW ENFORCEMENT. Favoritism, lying, being a corrupt piece of dung, these things you may know; actual police work would be a totally baffling conundrum. I worked on a real city Police Department for thirty years. Worked for a living, in real situations, not sitting on my fat, disgusting, useless Mormon a*s, driving around, protecting a tiny minority of citizens and victimizing the rest. You and the pieces of s**t for whom you work are an INSULT to the police professions. I know, I live here. I see more your idiot-a*s department could and should be doing and is too gutless to try than I would have ever imagined possible. Try meth, crack cocaine, grass, stolen cars, etc., etc., etc. Then come back and tell me about police work, you silly b*****d ignorant f**k.

Notice how John, the supposed Mesa cop, avoids and evades all the key issues? Truth is, the Mesa Police Department simply serves no purpose, except collecting money. I throw a couple of stones in front of my house (I'd be arrested for that!) one of them will hit a drug dealer or meth factory (and hey, John, you evasive liar, why don't THEY ever get arrested?????), and chances are pretty good, both will. I am not Mormon, but I do have kids. You are not protecting me or anybody else. Well, maybe yourself and your "brother officers"... Giving you and idiots like you the power to arrest anybody is like giving Charlie Manson a nuclear device... Mesa needs cops, all right. Since we seem to have very few worth a d**n, none that I have seen, ain't it time to START OVER????

This John, the Mesa cop, is amazing. I gotta wonder, has he ever BEEN to Mesa???? Sure as hell doesn't sound like it to me. Mesa is easy to understand. They don't do property taxes. So all the city fees, traffic fines, etc., etc., are very high. The police department (and note: I have no respect for these people, so I do not capitalize their fake name) has to show a profit, justify their bogus $40,000 starting salaries (yes, they actually got a raises, from six or seven times what they are worth, to eight or ten), and their ridiculously inflated (and grossly cowardly) staff of some 1300 idiots, they rape everybody they can by lying, and in the end, stealing. John, your department is essentially a setup of racketeers and terrorists. "Hating cops" has nothing to do with loathing Mesa P.D. You people are more in the category of loan sharks or some kind of paid perjurer. I have never heard the truth cross the lips of one of you phony b.s. peddlers, especially not in court. We citizens of Mesa need a Police Department, not the collection of criminals we have. Get the point, John??? I doubt it!!!

Hates cops? John, what the HELL does that have to do with YOU and MESA? Mesa has no actual cops, except maybe those from other areas who pass through. Your actual function is more like a combination bill collector-billboard. Unlike you lazy, gutless cowards, I get my butt out of my car once in a while, and look around. I don't see anything like law enforcement in Mesa at all, which is why I departed...well, that and your silly-assed cousins in "City Administration"... You spineless, sniveling "boys in blue" don't have a CLUE what is going on in Mesa, and in four years there, I never saw even a little sign you were interested. I intervened in a fight one night where one of your gutless colleagues was getting the hell kicked out of him by a biker; and trust me, if I ever go to Mesa AGAIN--which, if I can avoid it, I NEVER will--I have no intention of doing anything "public-spirited" to help you SCUM again. I am not interested in your lies, coverups, excuses, b.s., cover stories, hogwash, or anything else you do. If I had to rely on you fluffy little daisies to save my butt, I would be dead long ago. You don't do ANYTHING about public protection or law enforcement, you simply float around like the puffs of fluff you are, trying to cover the asses of the turdbags you work for. That may have some public relations value, but as cops, I would rather piss on a fire hydrant. Quit accusing people way better than you of being anti "law enforcement", scumbag, and assess what you actually DO. And be DEEPLY ASHAMED. This town you work in and for is going RIGHT DOWN THE TUBES, and the reason is: Lack of meaningful, real law enforcement, which is to say YOU and your idiot "brother officers". Of course, everyone must take into account twenty-five or so years' criminal activity by Charles Luster, who got this rot started. But you? There are algae and fungus I respect more. Mesa P.D. and law enforcement are entirely unrelated (and basically, opposite) subjects. Clear enough????

Mesa P.D. may have a couple of decent officers, maybe... Trouble is, their leadership is FILTH, and their actual task is RAISING MONEY. You and your accomplices are nothing more (but MAY be less) than criminal perpetrators, liars, thieves, and frauds. I spit in your filthy, corrupt face, you low-life scumbag!! Mesa P.D. is rotten to the core!!! Why the feds haven't stepped in and incarcerated some of the rats who comprise your bogus "thin blue line", I cannot imagine. Your dips should be placed under RUCO and RICO investigative restrictions, and most of the scum on your department permanently incarcerated, without possibility of pension OR parole. Don't give my your lying "law enforcement" b.s., you corrupt filth!! I have seen your masquerade, and I have seen you murder and lie and commit fraud, every single day. I hate crooks, and I have seen them before; that is your ACTUAL job description. Everything else you say, you lying rat, is a coverup. Bogus fines, fake stops, fraudulent reports, persecution of those you figure you can bleed white, the Bailey's Brake and Maaco things, the Markley and Brown cases, two attempted fraudulent prosecutions against me ALONE... Get REAL, you crooked piece of dung, do you really think ANYONE is stupid enough to buy your lying crap??? Are YOU dumb enough to believe it???? There is no doubt, the proof is prima facie...Mesa P.D. and its "executive government" is a criminal conspiracy, and MUST be treated accordingly.

Are these "brave, tough" "policeman" (they are really none of the three) actually SERIOUSLY expecting someone who has seen their silly-assed antics will treat them with any respect at all? Sure, they have guns and badges. But they are corrupt, criminal cowards and incompetents. Example: Officer Lynn Cantrell, described in SEVERAL other reports and who has apparently never let the truth escape her demented lips in her life, anonymously enters a rebuttal and suggests that you, the citizens, "accept responsibility or shut up!" And this sniveling worm above, more of the same crap. Hey, fake cops of Mesa, you inbred dirtbags...How about you??? Take some responsibility for your repeated and chronic criminality. So far, your spineless conduct and careful avoidance of danger define what you are: LILLY-LIVERED CHICKENSHIT WEASELS OF THE LOWEST ORDER. Try answering some of the criminal charges. Try taking your badges off and interacting with citizens without your guns, you scumbags. Useless dweebs!!!!

Facts: (1. I work door-to-door sales as part of my living. I see, hear, and smell drug operations in Mesa every time I work there, LOTS OF THEM. I used to live in Mesa and report these. Invariably, I saw the same places work for years and years, with no interference from the local idiots who call themselves a "police department". (2. I have seen Mesa Police officers commit acts of perjury and criminal falsification, and seen the "reports" they write, all targeted to getting far more out of an incident than the "bust" was worth, save a couple where prominent LDS individuals or family were involved, and then every fiction goes the other way. (3. For attempting to report ACTUAL crimes, I have myself been threatened with charges from "failing to obey a lawful order" to "resisting arrest" and even "disorderly conduct"... (4. For offering to be a defense witness at the "scene" of a bogus "crime" in Mesa, I was directly threatened by five armed officers. (5. I have never seen a Mesa police officer risk even perspiration on his brow on a citizen's behalf, EVER... I HAVE heard them fire on unarmed civilians they were unwilling to chase. The conclusions drawn are easy. And ALL of the above could easily be proven in court, if a willing venue could be found. Anyone who confuses these incompetent, corrupt cowards with the "Heroes of 9-11" lives in a dream world. In NO sense of the word are these clowns involved in real law enforcement. Nor is anyone in Mesa city government, which is a cesspool of the worst sort of Byzantine criminality. Mesa is a sickening, disgusting place. And "JOHN" and those like him are the reason.

By error, and based upon a friend's recommendation, I vacationed in Mesa in 1998. I will never come there again, and have advised everyone I know to do the same. The cops here are criminal predators. Dishonest to a level I have never before seen, in my 72 years. The details are irrelevant, and there are too many for this forum. It boils down to, if I had the time and the connections, I could put at least three of these scum in jail for perjury and filing false police reports. It amounted to nothing in the end, but this kind of aggressive lying is something that puts a police department into the seriously criminal area. They alone are costing that sorry city millions of dollars a year, over and above their bloated salaries, which I understand now start at close to $40,000 a year. What do the ads in the papers say? "Wanted, weasely, lying scumbag flim-flam artists. Apply at Mesa Police Department." That is surely what they are getting.

Before you paint the situation with a broad brush, please remember that only some of the generalization is true. Our in-depth investigation in this situation, what you have not perceived is that the oppression to which you refer is not from some conspiracy but from the preponderance of similar associations in this community.

You should know that many Mormons who do not share the same political and social affiliations of the majority are often treated poorly. Therefore, there must be some other reason, other than religious affiliation for the oppression. We hope to press them for answers.

At one time, I was thinking the same way you did. My anger was misplaced, and I misjudged so many. What a mistake that was. There is a definite problem, but not with all of them. You can never say all about anything.

Very Sincerely,

ED Magedson
[email protected]

Usual crap, different day.

You expected JUSTICE from these filthy, scum-sucking pigs??? DUH!!!

Soon, these useless filth will kill YOU!!!

I have seen way too much of judicial systems and criminal "justice". I am an attorney, and worked for the public defender's office for some time. I can make some general comments on the setup here, and note the shrinkage of this community's tax base, from which I, myself, shall soon withdraw, because this town is no longer to my personal liking.

The courts, the judges, the police, even the attorneys here make no effort to be fair or equitable.

I have seen perjury from police officers here hundreds of times, not ONCE even pointed out when it was so painfully obvious everyone knew it. In one particularly preposterous case, a Mesa officer claimed a 1973 Ford van with a seriously damaged six-cylinder engine managed to attain the speed of fifty miles an hour in less than twenty feet (this is impossible). Another officer claimed a man was "driving" his 1968 Chevrolet (it had no engine and no rear wheels) on the street when it had been up on blocks, in his yard, for almost a year during restoration. In criminal matters, the fantasies are often even more absurb and ridiculous. Judges and, of course, and the prosecutors who encourage and nurture this dribble not only do NOTHING, this sort of criminal misconduct is rewarded.

Let me contrast that with an experience in undergraduate days, back in the MidWest, in the late 1960's. While I was on summer military duty, a former lady friend was found wandering a rural county highway, naked and bruised, and very, very drunk. She informed the deputy that I had "gotten her drunk, raped, and beaten her". Trouble is--and my commanders reported this to the local authorities when they found out I had been arrested--I had not been within 1000 miles of that state for 26 days before the incident, nor for 19 days after, and there was full documentation on that prosecutor's desk. Apparently, based on her "testimony", they had gone to arrest me at my home, my new girlfriend's apartment, various bars and restaurants I used to frequent, etc., etc., and finally, over a month after the episode, they found me. I was actually incarcerated briefly. Records and testimony from the code unit in which I had worked were almost instantly wired and mailed to the court and the prosecutor and all other responsible parties.

The prosecutor persisted. Because I had been on duty at the time of the "crime", I was provided with top-drawer military counsel, and several high-ranking officers were flown in to testify.

It went ALL THE WAY to trial, but by ten minutes into the "defense", a general began his testimony with the words: "This is a b.s., and the prosecutor has known that since the morning after my code officer was arrrested." And from there on, it was a brief proceeding, in which charges were dismissed.

The judge called the prosecutor and the deputy to the bench. "Deputy, leave $100 for contempt of court on your way out, Prosecutor, you leave $500. Either of you sons of bitches brings anything like this into my courtroom again, you will do some SERIOUS JAIL TIME. I want personal, written apologies to this defendant in his hands, TODAY, or I triple the fines. You people are goddamned lucky I don't have the time to try your miserable asses for perjury and subornation, or I'd find a way to make this into some very serious felonies. Now, get the hell out of here!!!"

There followed a sincere effort at making some amends, and a recommendation that the prosecutor and the bogus witness/victim be sued immediately.

The same balderdash happens in Mesa, many times each day, and the system just keeps pumping. Judge Roy Bean might have something in common with this kind of mass-produced, fake justice, but police and prosecutors and probation officers and bribed witnesses/snitches walk out of courtrooms, squeaky clean, under circumstances where even the old Courts of the Inquisitions would have ravaged them for their lies.

The judges here may seem like "tough guys" to somebody, but what they are is rubber stamps to a level of corruption that is revolting to anyone with a kernel of fairness.

Sorry, John... Not only is this guy not
"ignorant", he has put very clear focus on the
real problems here.

You guys have nothing to do with catching
crooks. You are in a business, just like the
drug dealers in my neighborhood you go so far
out of your way to AVOID. Trouble is, you
PRETEND to be cops.

I saw more Mesa cops breaking the law than
anybody else.

Goofoffs, bozos, and idiots. And there are
WAY too many of you.

Reading what you said, though, makes me
even more afraid. Now I know for sure
there is no law in Mesa.

One quick walk through my complex, most any
night, you smell the crack and meth cooking.
But I haven't seen a Mesa cop on foot in
twelve years. And they never come here.

Yet, last time I was stopped, seven cars--I
think it fourteen flatfoots--showed up.
Reason for the stop: some stupid scumbag like
YOU wanted to confiscate my rifle, which I
had all chained up in a vertical rack in the
back of my truck. I didn't even have the key
at that moment, and that useless piece of
filth and his idiot f****t buddies wanted to
tear my truck apart. I even had the receipt
for the thing in my file box! And they said
"it might be stolen"..."maybe it was used in
a crime".... I have NO valid arrests, NO
criminal record, and yet I have been stopped
in your filthy little n**i/Mormon scumbag town,
by your demented dip colleagues around fifteen
times.

Figure it out, stupid! Citizens are getting
real bored and tired and pissed off with your
silly-assed fishing expeditions and your
avoidance of danger.

Coward!

Anyone notice Motorola is about the join the legions of major employers leaving Mesa??

Gas stations closing like crazy?

Abandoned strip malls everywhere?

General decay, absentee (mostly Mormon) landlords?

When the rats are in the ship's forecastle,
it is INDUSTRY that abandons the ship.

That tell you anything, John, and that
deviant scum, Hutchinson, you work for??

John needs to find a job with humans.

The dorks he works with have obviously
taught him NOTHING.

Fascinating! John, the Mesa Officer, perceived
in a nutshell, he thought, that the protagonist
here "thought" he had been arrested in error...
Or "called the police and wasn't satisfied..."

Let's be direct: a lot of what Mesa P.D. does is just plain illegal FRAUD. And the rest is mainly some kind of nutzo public relations stuff.

Killed kids "because they were AFRAID"...???
C'mon! I am AFRAID all the time. And I can't
get any freedom at all, let alone to murder
somebody.

Most of the immigration to this town--ALL THE PERMANENT IMMIGRATION, ONCE THE OUTFLOW IS ACCOUNTED FOR--is illegal aliens.

Nobody wants to bring his family or business to a sewer of corruption.

Face facts, John, people are leaving this town
because of what the palsy-walsy boys in City Hall have and have not done. They hamstring world class businesses not owned by Mormons with lots of extra inspections, licenses, taxes, and hassles, meantime keeping the GOBN happy.

The rest of us get screwed.

The main part of this is so correct, it is sickening!

On duty, I was never so vain and stupid
as to consider myself part of some "thin blue
line", and I never once laid my life on the
line for anyone. Indeed, we were cautioned
to use overwhelming force LONG before that came
necessary.

I worked for Mesa P.D. Fortunately, I got a
real job and moved on. I hope to forget
my association with this organization entirely.

I'm not sure what the lion's share of this
department would list as a job description,
but "law enforcement" has very little to do with
the work.

I hope nobody thinks this is atypical.

It isn't.

These towns are dying, financially, because
of the corruption and narrow view of the
crooks who run the places.

No decent company wants to headquarter here.

But it will get worse. These places are
governed by lowlife creeps in the so-called
civil service who know nothing save "where
the bodies are buried" and who is LDS and
who is not. And when the feds start to
seriously look into these corrupt little
venues, these scum will go berzerk.

It will get worse before it gets better.

It shatters people's faith in everything when
this sort of crime becomes so obvious and common
that everyone knows about it, but that is where
Mesa has been for years.

Their police department is so sick and demented, I have to take pause to consider just what purpose it serves, and frankly, having seen so much when I lived there, I cannot answer the question, or even come close.

They cover their errors with lies, and weave
such a tangled web. Sex scandals, kickbacks, contracts let to the "Mormon Mafia", a constant propaganda campaign to increase their already overblown staff, illegal drugs every few feet, for sale right out in the open, "Coyote" operations right in front of everyone's noses, apparently with the blessing of the local administration, perhaps with their sponsorship, no rental codes at all, murder a few people and cover that with lies, totally fraudulent cases, erroneous prosecutions when they knew better...it is a litany of corruption and incompetence.

This is just one small example. I left, and
the company I used to work for got no cooperation from the locals (they weren't Mormon), and re-located. Want another 100 examples, or more?
I have them. Maybe I will enter them, one at a time.

The NFL was well-advised to do everything it could by way of consultation to avoid locating a major stadium in this open-air lunatic asylum. It would be nice if this town HAD some legitimate law enforcement: it doesn't.

It would be nice if something useful or productive came from the police department,the city manager, or any of the other entrenched, useless parasitic scum for which this city pays premium prices: it doesn't.

I think it's very nice these criminal lowlifes delude themselves with games and keep telling us about "thin blue lines" and other moronic lies they tell themselves. Too bad they can't avoid harassing and once-in-a-while killing decent people.

Mesa P.D. needs to be enlarged? What b.s.! We need a whole new organization!! One which can do something about crime! And don't, John, you saprophytic idiot, try the song and dance about how dangerous your work, and how everybody who says things like that has a "chip on his shoulder" and hates law enforcement.

You are absolutely nothing to do with law enforcement, same as most of the putrid sculchbags with whom you work. I was doing real law enforcement twenty years ago, and it is a vocation totally unrelated to what you and your scalawag colleagues do. You are 1000+ examples of dead weight to the taxpayers. Read the reports about internal corruption in your department, you silly drip, and look around; this is the most crime-infested community I have ever even seen, including the South Bronx, and the reason it is comes down to you cowards are afraid to even act against anything that doesn't come with the express approval of the Mormons who own you.

John, get a REAL job. But don't try law enforcement. Your current employment history reveals that you could not possibly adapt to that field. You are employed by professional conspirators and criminals.

Oh, John, how silly thou art! Do you REALLY think you are OUR police??? No! You are Hutchinson's toadie, and that is all you are, even if you PRETEND to be in law enforcement.

When I managed properties in your crummy towns, it was morons like you who caused more problems than the gangs, vandals, and "tough guys" who nearly burned down the building I was stuck in. It wasn't, you see, Mormon-owned, and many of the crooks were LDS...some of them in good standing.

The real b.s. here is that you may actually
think you are doing something constructive or
helping decent citizens. You aren't. You
just cost us money, waste time, and are a
nuisance to be avoided. As cops, Mesa P.D.
wouldn't make a half-decent collection of
flower pots.

The criminal rats for whom you work mean
that, even with the noblest of intentions,
all you can ever be is a rubber stamp
for idiots and con men.

Get real, John! This happens all the time,
and you are the cause. The whole East
Valley is in the toilet, because of the
morons for whom you are ACTUALLY working.

Reform is what matters. Problem: Mesa
P.D. is so far beyond normal, it probably
cannot even be salvaged.

Everybody knows who you are and what you
REALLY do. Forget your goofy fantasies about
crooks and guns and saving lives. You are
a cog, in the most corrupt machine in
modern history. You are an embarrassment,
and your department is not even a worthwhile
joke.

This is "aimed" at John, the Mesa Cop.

So that you can't accuse me of having a grudge
because I've been in trouble,
I've never been arrested, and do my best to
be a law abiding citizen. (As well as anyone can
with a million contradictory laws.) I don't even
speed.

I, personally, have had the Mesa Police interfere
with an assault charge I brought against a Mormon man (search here for Mesa, AZ report titled "Wanted" for the story).

I, personally, have seen the Mesa PD falsely arrest a man for trespass (the DR even says the man was in right and they tried to cancel the charge).

I, personally, have seen the Mesa PD falsely arrest a man twice for that every popular,one size fits all, you screw with us and this is what we do to you, disorderly conduct. (I was there - have video - one charge dropped, one charge pending, and now political.)

(The story for these should be posted on the RipOff Report soon.)

Sure, these are all "small" things (unless they
happen to you) - but if you all can't be trusted
with the small things, why should anyone trust you
with the big things? (I think that's in the Bible
somewhere - if that part has been translated correctly.)

What trash! I lived in Mesa for two years, quit my assignment, transferred, and got out because I had to spend too much time explaining to the LOCAL IDIOT POLICE why I carried a concealed weapon, loaded, and was in law enforcement. I have no time for rotten, filthy deviant liars like these overpaid scumbags.

You, John, are an ignorant intolerant idiot, typical of the bags of rot you work with. How dare a gutless worm who works for that comedy act you call a police department suggest that a citizen has no right to criticize blatant criminal activity by that cadre of felons you call your colleagues? You are no colleague of mine!

You may belong in law enforcement in some countries. Try Peru or Bulgaria, you stupid facist. I am ashamed that your department even exists, and that lying pieces of dung like your "chief" and your "city manager" present
you morons as members of the law enforcement community. You aren't. You aren't even competent enough or bright enough to be a good joke.

Mikelle Biggs, my a*s, you jerks couldn't catch a cold, which is why, except for crack houses and sand fleas, ABSOLUTELY NOTHING ever flourishes in that filthy town of yours.

John's response to the facts is interesting, and very typical of the moronic facist attitudes held by Mesa P.D. and the lunatics who surround them. He says immediately that nobody who has not worke for Mesa P.D. has any "right" to challenge anything these filthy scumwads do... What trash!!!! I have been stopped myself by Mesa P.D. over 20 times, arrested three times, all bogus as the typical $9.00 bill, and equally q***r.

One might normally presume, after endless scandals involving sex and money, the filth Whalen who stole undercover funds, many cases of false, capricious, and criminal arrests, countless episodes of false reports and perjury, drug arrests based on lies, obvious quota incentives, and Mormon corruption top to bottom, Mesa P.D. would at least admit it has problems.

But they won't. They can't. 1300 employees, a budget five times what it needs to be, up to its scurvy neck in every kind of criminal conduct, this is an agency whose lawbreaking would embarrass the Mafia.

The current head Mormon is apparently retiring in November, and will--WE ALL KNOW THIS--be replaced by another CAREER CRIMINAL with close ties to the ringleader, Hutchinson.

The citizens of this fifth-rate, third world collection of full-time payola vendors and recipients are fully aware how this "Police Department" works and doesn't work. Citizens who have been harassed and lied to and about endlessly know precisely how this CRIMINAL CONSPIRACY works. Better, apparently, than "John", who is completely unaware that most citizens know they receive no protection at all from this "law enforcement agency", which seems to function SOLELY as a revenue-raising and public relations/advertising Gestapo for the tight ring of monsters who administer the "MOST DISHONEST COMMUNITY IN THE WORLD", the "CITY OF BROAD STREETS AND NARROW MINDS"...

I see criminal activity every day about which nothing is done. The last time I had one of the many bogus traffic stops from which I have suffered, both the officer and I were almost killed by someone in a white Cadillac who both ran a red light and shifted lanes in an intersection. It was a brand new car. My "ticket" did not proceed, it was yet another totally fake attempt at some DUI money. But the liar who stopped me and falsified the probable cause knew who was driving, as did the other three cars visible to me, and did not even pursue. Guess what: that's what passes for "law enforcement" in Mesa. And that is just one of many similar examples.

Most Mesa city services are pretty good. But this is a "city"--though still run like a small Mormon town somewhere in central Utah--which is simultaneously dying and growing as it croaks. Reason: nobody sane wants to live in a city run by full-time, professional crooks, and the contrast between the "police" and everyone else is stark and severe.

The audacity of saying someone who has been victimized by criminals has no right to question them unless he has actually been part of that seedy but slick vulgarity is ridiculous.

The reason, incidentally, I am stopped so frequently is that I frequent bars. However, I do not drink. I make a very high income. I have diabetes, so I CANNOT drink, but my insulin and other medications have been constued many times into things they were not, and clearly were not, by officers who treated me like some sort of career lawbreaker. My income is well into six digits, but the old truck I drive in traffic seems to attract Mesa P.D. I have never been stopped in my Lincoln or my new Toyota truck, which I seldom drive in heavy traffic. Some of these "stops" have eaten up five hours of my time. Several were by the very same officers.

I waited to write this until I was ready to leave Mesa, FOREVER. I pay my taxes. I work 60 hours a week. I HAVE WORKED IN LAW ENFORCEMENT, at the Federal level. But I have never worked for the Mesa "police"... I would never associate with lowlife criminals of that order. They are the main reason I and many others and many businesses are leaving this community. Or at least, they are the primary symptom of the disease that is destroying the heart of this community.

My advice to my s****.>
I only hope I will not be stopped and detained by these birdbrains before I get out of this stinking asylum. Take your town and shove it, or reform it! And obviously, no one in Mesa P.D. can even acknowledge THAT word exists.

It's really very simple. Mesa PD lies for
a living. No trim, no "hate" position. And the
local "justice" system not only does nothing about it, they reinforce this CRIMINAL CONDUCT.

I have seen nothing in this community to refute even a small part of that. This is fraud. It is falsifying police reports. It is perjury. No one is more pro-law enforcement than I am. But confusing Mesa P.D. with anything like legitimate law enforcement is a stupid and empty error.

Most of their minions belong behind bars, forever. Yes, I have been arrested, fraudulently, in this rathole, and have contacted Federal DOJ about it, as well as ACLU and other responsible agencies. I would no more discuss this with the WHITEWASH and RUBBER STAMP troops of Mesa P.D. than I would parlay with a mad dog because of the last one who bit me. "John" has nothing to say at all about the serious charges lodged, and verifies nothing except the criminal conduct of the people for whom he works.

Mesa needs reform IMMEDIATELY, and it starts with putting 60-75% of the police, all of the local judges, and especially the City Manager and Police Chief on the streets, or more appropriately, in prison where they belong.

This town is a humiliating comment on the dysfunctional nature of an inbred, nepotistic power structure that was obsolete a century ago. This community needs more law enforcement, but not more of the same old tired criminals it has had to suffer for 150 years.

These cops aren't worth $5,000 a year; better to spend that same money on keeping the majority of them in the institutions where they belong, instead of out harassing actual citizens. Try hitting some of the sixty or so crack houses within walking distance of my home, instead of "making bones" by ripping off decent people.

I know, that would take courage, something Mesa P.D. lacks at every level... Why, some of those people are armed!! Quit evading reality. This town will be subjected to new light if the N.F.L. is actually stupid enough to house a franchise here. Maybe then there will be enough exposure to shake the lice out this city's beard, but I see Hutchinson and the collection of lackies who surround him resisting even minor reforms every step of the way.

Jim,

Reading your opinion makes me laugh in a way. Now, I have no insight on the business area of your letter since I don't own a business. I agree to a point there is a LDS "Problem" in our city. However, the majority of the LDS community are good people. I am not a member myself. The part that makes me laugh is your comments on the police department.

In my experience as a police officer, most people that make the comments you made in your letter have been arrested for a crime, or have had a family member arrested. Most of the time, the person arrested (or the family of the one arrested) feel they did nothing wrong and it is the police that have violated their rights. Or maybe you were a victim of a crime and the cops did "nothing" about it. Maybe if we had more cops, we could catch more criminals. But we are waiting for the new academy class to get out of jail!

Jim, ignorance seems to be a major problem of yours. Just like I cannot comment on the business part of your letter because I do not own a business,(do you?) then you have no right commenting on what goes on in the police department if you do not work here, or know anything about law enforcement which it appears you do not.

As in any profession, there are a few very bad employees. However, the majority are good officers and would be there to help you out. And yes Jim, even if you are not LDS.

Maybe you should go to a citizens police academy so you can understand what goes on out on the streets every night..to see what we see. Like the drowing child I went on a few months ago...nothing like see a family almost loose a child. It makes you think how short life can be. But, the police have no concern for the prople they serve, right Jim?

Jim, look and the whole picture and not just the narrow minded view of your letter and insight. For a second, put you in the place of this situation....

You are dispatched on a family fight where the caller hears two subjects yelling. You arrive on scene and hear a female screaming for help. You walk up to the house and a male, holding a knife runs out at you. Jim, what are you going to do? Think about it.

Are you going to run? Are you going to shoot him in the leg, just like you see on TV? (police are not trained to shoot a leg..in real life) Or are you going to defend yourself with deadly force, shooting to stop the fight, only after you have gone through many options in your head in only half a second? You know Jim, an average male, from about 21 feet away, can run at you with a knife, stab you a few times, before you can react., pull your weapon, and fire one accurate shot. Would you like to do this job I do everyday, knowing the above situation can happen at any moment? It has happened to me, but to my luck, the guy dropped the knife.

Jim, I am sorry you feel all cops should be in jail, are crooks, and liars. It is just your opinion and that doesn't bother me. But come to my world for once and you will see how the job is REALLY done. Seeing what we do from your window and listening on a police scanner does not wipe away that ignorance.

Jim, I know you hate the cops, but if you are ever being attacked by a stranger that has entered your home, we will still respond to protect you. We are here to serve you, even if you hate us. It doesn't matter to me who doesn't like us, I love my job and people like you come with the territory. Maybe one of these days you will have a positive contact with an officer, like most people do.