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  • Report:  #477674

Complaint Review: Mr. Sandless West GTA - Nationwide

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- Mississasuga, Ontario,
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Mr. Sandless West GTA
mrsandless.com/includes/westgta-ca.php Nationwide, U.S.A.
Phone:
905-951-7760
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I contacted Mr. Sandless to do a makeover on my 35+year old oak floors. There was wear on the floors and some marks here and there and I was prepared to have them redone to reduce the discolouration and give them a nice finish. By looking at their before and afters and after speaking with the owner, I thought that I would have an acceptable finish - particularly as I do use area rugs and runners in the home.

They told me that they could effectively clean and darken my floor so that the scuffs would not be as noticeable and as there would be a nice gloss finish - it would look nice.

They showed up to my home. The owner had her 8 month old baby in her arms and had to leave to pick up her snuggler as she had to carry her baby during the process (????).. They cleaned my floors and proceeded to finish my floors. I wasn't at home at the time and left them with my husband. My husband called me at work to say that the job was almost complete and that it look pretty good (mind you he didn't have his glasses on). The owner asked if he wanted to "darken" the floor anymore. Not familiar with Mr. Sandless procedures he said sure. They called me and asked and I said I would defer to their professional opinion (not a good idea to non professionals).

I came home to see huge dark swirl marks all over the dining room floor. The owner took colourant from the bucket on rags and applying it like she was washing the floor. She wasn't going with the grain of the wood and their was dark walnut streaks everywhere. In the living room one half of the room looked visibly darker than the other - when I mentioned it - she took rags and started swirling colourant on that area as well - again making large dark patches on the floor. There was streaking everywhere and the seams where the floor and walls meet was visibly lighter as they couldn't effectively take the stain to the wall and so you see a blonde margin all around the foot of the stair and most walls. It looked bad so it was agreed they would come back to try and fix the situation.

Not knowing these people and we had given them a cheque for full payment, my husband put a stop payment on the cheque and phoned them and told them what he did. We wanted to ensure that they would return and complete the floor.

During subsequent calls to reschedule she stated "you asked for us to darken it and we can't get a perfect job on an old floor - you had previous stains (we had signed a waiver to that regard).

As the hall was the only fairly acceptable area that was done (even though it had pale margins at the stairs) she wanted to come back and do two rooms over and leave the hall. I had said that I wanted them to strip and redo the whole thing as I doubted that they could match up the areas and we would have very visible differece from the hall and the living and dining area. She then said "well this is what we have to offer... do you want us to come back?" I have my house upside down and my floors are a mess .. I didn't feel comfortable with the tone of her comments.

We made arrangement for my children to go to the inlaws the next evening and they were to return to fix the situation.

I left a letter stating that the marks on my floors were not a result of the condition of the wood but from POOR colour selection and poor application. As professionals they should have known that adding that dark of colourant on the floors would make a mess. I told them that their waiver does not cover those instances and they should redo the whole job.

They came the next day at 2pm and left the premises a few hours later. They stripped the living room down to the bare wood but this time there was dark almost black streaks on the wood from their previous job. They split stain remover on the hall (the only reasonable area) so their was large blond spots on the hall and made a mess in the family room trying to lift the colour in one area and then left it.

She then called me and told me that they had stopped the job saying she felt uncomfortable doing it as I wasn't going to pay them (we had already confirmed that we would do as soon as we saw our floors repaired), that they were going to redo the whole area but after reading my letter and they decided not to ( nonsence as the letter was placed right at the entrance of the house - why did they come in a make a mess of they floors even worse and then leave)

She then said if I gave them $700 cash they would return and finish the job... I said I would give a deposit BUT not that much as after seeing their mess for a second time really didn't believe that they had the experience to complete the job in a close to passable state. I called another Mr Sandless to see if anyone with more experience could come and do the job and to stated my concerns.

She left a message 7am the next morning stating that they would not return because we didn't want to pay them & as we didn't lose any money we should go our separate ways and be done with it!

- Honestly it was surreal. I have never dealt with people less professional in my life! Of course we would pay - but if a job is done properly. They have made such a mess that even sanding is going to be a nightmare! They have 5 coats of muck on the floor that we now have to lift - prior to their arrival sanding would have been easy.

They walked from the job because they knew that they couldn't fix it and took every excuse in the book to do so. No other Mr Sandless will touch it basically for the same reason - not that I would want them to.

I have 3 children and had arranged for them to be a camp the week we were going to have our floors done. Now to arrange with another company will take a couple of weeks and we have most of our furniture in the garage!!! I have photos of the nasty job they did - what a mess.

NEVER USE MR SANDLESS - they sell francises to people who aren't from the industry and their finishing techniques are a joke.

Cate

Mississasuga, Ontario

Canada


1 Updates & Rebuttals

Company Response

Bolton,
Ontario,
Canada
A Difficult Customer

#2REBUTTAL Owner of company

Mon, August 10, 2009

This customer called our company several weeks before our service date and booked us over the phone. We did not see her floors but we went into detail regarding the facts that Mr.Sandless does not sand and therefore cannot remove marks we just refinish meaning our solutions go on top of the wood. She did not see all the floors as there was carpet on the floor. We also explained that because we don't go into the wood with our colouring the floor will not look like when it is sanded 1/8th of an inch and then stained such as what sanders do. She said she understood completely and was fine with what we did as we are much cheaper than sanding and there is no mess. She called 2 days before the service thinking about cancelling as she was going to go into surgery and wasn't sure if she should be doing this at that time. The doctor notified her that week that she was to go into surgery and she seemed stressed about it. This should have been a red flag to us. She called back and said she wanted to go ahead with it. We said to the customer several times that she should be available for the day to give us her opinion on the floors after each coat since her husband wasn't really involved-according to her. But she left it to her husband. We arrived and we went through the company waiver and colouring waiver and she signed both documents. One of our waivers states "Every floor is unique in the type of wood it is made of, its age, amount of wear, stain, use and work it has already endured. Our goal is to make your floor look its best under the conditions we find it in." Our colouring waiver states "By signing below you agree to that (slight tone difference from the colour you have chosen) and accept the outcome of the colouring and refinishing." I had explained to her several times on the phone in the previous weeks about our limitations. She signed this. She was deciding to change the colour she had picked and her husband and her went back and forth. We explained that a walnut would be better to hide the marks but she wanted the rosewood. After mixing the stain the husband told us that they changed their mind and wanted any colour that would hide the marks. We let him know even changing the colour would not hide the marks completely. He said he understood. We proceeded to do our process and the customer left for work and the husband went into the basement. We told him that we would call him with each coat of colour to ask how he liked it. We called him on the first, second and third coat and he said they looked great and the floors looked much better than before but that the customer called and said she wanted all the dark marks to be hidden. We asked the husband so would you like us to go darker and he said yes. So we did. When we finished that coat he said great. And we started to clean up and put our final coats of finish on. The husband said,while he was looking at the floors, that you forget what the floors look like from before and stated how good they looked and that several marks from before could not be seen. As we were cleaning up the customer came home. She immediately started to complain so we tried to appease her but going over a few spots with a cloth. This has been done at other customers homes with good results. We have several customers that are very happy with our work but of course it is the one customer like this one that can make a bigger issue than it really is because they forget all the conversations that explains our limitations. Sometimes no matter what you say to a customer they have their own thoughts and don't really listen. We feel it could be because she was under stress with dealing with the surgery. We called the customer to explain that we were sorry that they were not happy with the work so we were more than willing to come back and fix it. We actually decided to strip the whole area as the customer said that everything had to match and we understood. That night the husband stated that to him the floors looked good but to his wife they werent because she is very picky and in hind site she should have been at home. They let us know they put a stop on the check and we were fine with that. So the next day we returned to strip the floors to fix them,started, completed one room, and the technician found a letter explaining that we would not be able to sue for non payment as well a list of their complaints. It also said our colour waiver would not hold up in court. We were surprised as we had all the right intentions to go back and make the customer happy. The father in law was asked to be present for the second day as both the husband and customer were working. The father in law said to stop stripping the rest of the rooms since the floors looked great. He said to wait till the husband got home. The father in law knew what the floors looked like as he owned the home previously. So the technician stopped and waited. We called the customer and she said she didn't mind giving some money to complete the job and that the letter didnt mean much-but now we realized that we may go in and do all the work without payment. She hung up and called another franchise without telling us. They refused to go in and do the work as they did not want to get involved with a customer that was like this. The husband basically said that they did not have the confidence that we could fix it and even when we tried to work it out with him he talked over us and would not listen. We still were trying to work it out. Unfortunately sometimes some people are never happy no matter what you do. We had Mr.Sandless come in and do our floors and we loved it so much that we bought the franchise. We have several happy customers so one customer like this should not be listened to. If you want references we are more than happy to supply them. Company response Bolton, Ontario Canada Canada"> Step

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