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  • Report:  #474894

Complaint Review: PNC Bank - Pittsburg Pennsylvania

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- state college, Pennsylvania,
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PNC Bank
600 Grant Street Pittsburg, Pennsylvania, U.S.A.
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888-7622265
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I just wanted to inform you about a consumer problem and the outrageous fees and horrible customer service at PNC bank. I know there are others out there experiencing this problem. PNC charged me four times an overdraft fee of $36, and they would have also charged me $14 per day my account was overdrawn. The overdraft was at fault of PNC bank as I was notified by three separate sources of theirs over the weekend that I had a certain amount available. They reversed that available amount on Monday and charged me overdrafts for the purchases I made. When I spoke to three separate people in customer service, they basically told me it was my fault that I "believed" the bank and there was nothing I could do but pay the charges. I called someone again this morning, and they actually tried to help me. They showed that it was indeed a bank error and would refund the fees. But the damage has been done, I am closing my account with PNC and never going back!

Maybe other customers experienced this glitch from PNC that stated and showed an available amount that was not actually there, but charged customers for the bank's mistake anyways. This happened from Friday 7/24 through Monday 7/27.

-Full story attached, with names-

I knew I should have closed my PNC bank account after I began to use it as it was not my primary bank account and dealt with issue after issue and less than competent staff and "customer service" representatives. But after they finally resolved my issue, I decided to give them another chance rather than open a new bank account since I would be moving more than 5 hours away from the nearest location of my primary bank.

I received a check for $2000.00 and a money order for $302.49 of Thursday 7/23. I drove to my primary bank location to deposit the items on Friday 7/24, only to find that building under construction and my bank gone. Luckily I looked across the street and there was a PNC bank. I felt relieved, mainly because I did not have to give up my DC parking space that already had 10 minutes on the meter (of my money)! I deposited both items at 5:00 pm and went on about my day. I called all of my financial institutions that night to write my account information in ledgers as I was moving the next day and would not be near a computer for the rest of the weekend. As expected, I only had $1.45 in my PNC account, the balance that it had been for some time.

On Saturday 7/25 (also my birthday) I began the burdensome task of packing my things. I was also transporting other acquaintances to the airport and train stations as they were also moving. I called PNC again to see if any funds were available. For some reason I was connected to a live human, and I merely asked her for my account information. She told me both me balance and available balance as $2303.94. I was excited that the items cleared so fast, but was driving. When I returned to my apartment I called back the automated line to write down my information. The automated line said, your balance is $2,303.94, all of which is available for withdrawal.

I thought this was great, I could take care of my banking before I moved and not have to worry about it over the remainder of weekend (my birthday again). So I logged into my laptop and went to my online PNC account page. The online summary also showed my ledger information, with my available balance being $2,303.94. I completed the following transactions all before 3:00 pm: paid a credit card bill online for $496, and put a transfer of funds from PNC to my primary bank account for $1,711.33, which should have left me with $100.00 in my PNC account. I logged out of my laptop, and packed the rest of my things in my car and moved out of DC.

I stopped along the way and made 3 purchases with my PNC check card. I reached my moving destination that night and slept soundly. I did not use my card on Sunday 7/26. On Monday, 7/27, I went to the grocery store and used my card for $12. On Tuesday 7/28 I was settled, and decided to check my PNC account to see the status of my transfer, this was around 5:30 pm. My account was showing -$118. I found this odd, and went to my transactions page and pending transactions page, where I saw 4 miscellaneous charges for $34 to $36 each. I thought someone had gotten my account information as this has happened to several in my group when they have used their cards to purchase passes for the DC metro system.

I called PNC bank at 5:35. The call lasted for close to 2 hours and went something like this:

The first gentleman I spoke to was a Jim Clark (actual name) and was less than competent, maybe it was his first day on the job. I asked him what those charges were, and he told me they were overdraft fees. I inquired about the overdraft fees because I should not have been over drafted and explained to him the series of bank events. He seemed confused and had me on hold for a total of 30 min, where he would check back in and ask me a question and then put me on hold again, chuckling under his breath throughout When he came back to the phone he said, well I am not seeing that there was any malfunction with the phone system. I said that is understandable, but I was also told my balance information, to which he replied, I can't speak for what someone else told you. I asked him to please transfer me to someone else (as I could see that his poor brain was terribly over worked.) He says, who would you like to speak to?

Now I have been in customer service for some time and when someone asks you in your place of work to be transferred it is understood that you want to speak to a higher up. I didn't know I needed to have a roster of names of all the workers in the PNC call center before I could be transferred, so I asked him to transfer me to someone more competent than yourself. He laughed again and said hold on. The idiot transferred me not to a person but to the call center main line (where I had to do the hold for the next available rep thing all over again) in an effort to dismiss himself of the issue. As luck would have it, when a person answered my call again, it was Jim Clark! I laughed, and said, didn't I just speak to you? He seemed shocked and flabbergasted and stumbled and said, haha maybe we all sound alike here, let me transfer you. I asked him how he knew I wanted to be transferred and he said, well may be I was just speaking to you, I was talking to a lady earlier. . . Certifiable dumbass. But I was transferred to the next Mensa contender, a Ms. Robin Peirce (actual name).

Ms. Peirce was the supervisor but liked to be called the account manager specialist in order to cover up her ghetto persona and overall lack of intelligence or skill. She asked what the issue was. I asked her whether they communicate with each other or make notes of call issues on accounts so that people do not have to explain the same story over and over again. She said that was up to the representative. Great business practice PNC- those that do not want to make note of an unhappy customer do not have to and our issue gets lost and forgotten about. I explained to her the story. My issue was this: I understood that these items may have took a while to clear and actually did not clear until the morning of the 28th as I was told by these people, but how can the customer be at fault if 3 separate bank sources on Saturday the 25th identified to me that my available amount was $2,303.94. Her response was that the bank doesn't make errors. Riiiiight, because that would be unfathomable. So I asked her for information on my account: what the balances were on certain days, what put me in overdraft, etc. She gave me a different answer for each question, even contradicting what she has stated previously and contradicting what I was told by Mr. Clark. I asked her to please transfer to someone in corporate, to which the ghetto came out. She responded with what must be PNC common practice, who would you like to speak to? I said, 'you work there tell me. She said that she could not transfer me because the office was closed and that they would not be able to help me anyways. Then she told me I would have to right a letter because they do not take calls.

Fine, I knew I was not getting anywhere with these people. So I ended the call after mentioning that PNC must be hurting otherwise to sink to such means in order to get money. So I wrote two letters and an email to PNC and stewed on the issue al night. I was charged 4 times and overdraft fee, and I knew that they also charged per day a fee for how long your account has been overdraft.

I woke up Wednesday 7/29 and made a call to PNC at 7:33 am. This time I actually got an intelligent person that wanted to, by God, serve the customer. She listened to my issue, but I really called to ask her if she could put a freeze on my account so that I could handle this dispute without getting continuous charges. She said that that could not be done over the phone, and that I would have to go to the branch I opened the account with. I told her that branch was in PA and I was in VA and driving 5 hours for an answer that could be no' makes no sense. So she gave me the branch telephone number. So apparently it can be done over the phone, but the corporate call center cannot do it? Seems stupid, but I was willing to call. She seemed so helpful, so I decided to ask her some questions about my account. I asked her is she could give me my balance information as noted for the days of 7/24-7/27. She did. But the weekend days she said they do not keep information on those days. That really had me with a question mark.

I explained to her my issue once more and let her know the balance information I was given on Saturday, but that they can not tell me. So I asked her how then can PNC tell me I was lying or making this up if they do not have record of my balances on those days at all. She scratched her head for a minute and notified me that she was seeing some errors on my account and that what I was saying did make sense. She put me on hold briefly, and came back to the phone. She said, now don't have a heart attack, but you are right! There was a system error.

I thanked her for actually listening and taking the time to find out that there was a problem. She said she would refund the overdraft fees and stop any continuous overdraft charges. It took me three separate people to actually get help at PNC bank and admit their error and reverse the outrageous charges. Even then, the representative that helped me had to end my call because her and her supervisor had to argue with the fee people on why they needed to remove my charges. I've had it with PNC bank and am closing the account. They obviously do not have a common business practice, do not keep or hire competent and informed staff, and are fee crazy without admitting fault. They just want and need money however they can get it and could care less about the customers that keep the bank open. I don't care if my primary bank will now be close to 10 hours away, I am keeping it over PNC.

I'mright

state college, Pennsylvania

U.S.A.


4 Updates & Rebuttals

Robert

Buffalo,
New York,
U.S.A.
How to avoid OD/NSF fees.

#2Consumer Suggestion

Thu, July 30, 2009

Ways to avoid these NSF/OD fees: Using an account register and reconciling that register with a monthly account statement from the bank will prevent any account holder from causing any NSF/OD fees. The majority (if not all) of the reports I've read about NSF/OD fees have common behaviors of the account holders: -using atm cards for everyday purchases. -using more than ONE card attached to the account (husband and wife) -using atm cards for online purchases. -using atm cards for 'auto-bill pay' (autodebits) **relying upon telephone or online account balances to determine what money is available for that shopping trip to Walmart. **NOT using an account register. **NOT verifying deposits have cleared. 1. Use an account register and reconcile the account register with a monthly written statement generated by the bank. If the bank is not mailing statements, contact customer service to have monthly statements MAILED to you. 1a. Be aware of ATM fees, such as the 'non-bank ATM fee' that most banks charge when you use an ATM that is not owned by your bank to make a withdrawal and post that fee in your account register immediately. 1b. Also be aware of any monthly 'account service fee' charged by your bank and post that to your register on the appropriate date. 2. Do NOT GIVE bank account information (or ATM card info) to any merchant, service provider, utility, online service to pay for services and goods. Use a REAL credit card for this purpose (either secured cc or unsecured cc.) Do not setup any automatic deposit to an account that is attached to said cc-NO auto payments to CC company-mail a check each month. If the entity demanding payment makes a mistake, you're gonna have a host of problems and risk OD/NSF fees. 3. Do NOT use an ATM card for everyday expenses-USE CASH. Establish a monthly budget and withdrawal a weekly 'allowance' for every day expenses such as 'milk and bread' from the corner store, Burger King, etc. This will reduce the amount of transactions on the bank account which in turn makes RECONCILING the account and detecting ERRORS easier to accomplish. Again, if the entity demanding payment makes a mistake, you're gonna risk NSF/OD fees. 4. Do not shop with the ATM card-use a real credit card. A real credit card offers protections that you don't have with an ATM card. If the merchant/service makes a mistake, you can dispute it with the CC company WITHOUT getting any OD/NSF. Not true if you use an ATM card-if the merchant makes a mistake, your money is gone until you can convince your bank to give it back, as well as OD/NSF fees. 5. ONLY ONE ATM CARD to one account. Do NOT have 2 or more atm cards for one bank account. Having 'his and hers' ATM cards attached to the same account is the same as in the old days when some folks would have 2 checkbooks for writing checks. It was an invitation to disaster then, and it is today. 6. Verify that deposits to the account have actually cleared. Deposits can take anywhere between 1 and 5 BUSINESS days to clear depending on the type and/or source of the deposit. Deposits over $5000 can take even LONGER before they are posted to the account. The Federal Reserve publishes a Consumer Compliance Handbook which gives detailed information about what banks can and cannot do with deposits, holds, and funds availability. You can download this handbook at http://www.federalreserve.gov/boarddocs/supmanual/cch/200711/cch200711.pdf Follow ALL of these suggestions and you will NEVER pay an OD/NSF fee again unless it is a LEGITIMATE bank error or caused by a merchant. If it is caused by a bank error the bank will rectify the situation and credit any fees generated as well as contact payees and cover any fees the payees assess to you. If the fee is caused by a merchant error, you will need to hold the merchant accountable for the fees, although in many cases the bank may reverse the fees as a courtesy if the merchant confirms that the merchant made an error. This is a tried and true method to avoid these fees. It works EVERY TIME it's tried.


Robert

Irvine,
California,
U.S.A.
Why?

#3Consumer Comment

Thu, July 30, 2009

First why are you reposting the same thing again, posting multiple times does not make your report any more believeable. http://www.ripoffreport.com/reports/0/474/ripoff0474456.htm As to your actual report there is a lot of "fluff" that appears as if you are trying to take away from the real issue. It is nice that you didn't have to give up your parking spot, it is nice that it was your birthday, it is nice that you were moving, and it is nice that you slept soundly. But none of these things have ANYTHING to do with the issue you are trying to talk about. But in all of this "fluff" you seem to contradict yourself. On Friday you called all of the institutions because you would not be near a computer. In being as busy as you were and not expecting the funds to be available you still found the time to call PNC on Saturday? Then on top of that even though you would have no access to a computer(which is why you called on Friday), you got on-line and found the time to do all of your banking. Something does not seem quite right about this entire list of events. In the end the bank did exactly what they should have done. That is investigate the issue, and once it was found to be what they said was a bank error refund the fees. While you thought it took too long to solve, Tuesday after 5:30pm(from when you reported the erorr) to Wed(when they made the adjustment) seems quite reasonable. However, I agree with the other posters and I believe that if they told you it was a "bank error", it was probably your error. From your inital report it seems as if you made the deposit after the cut-off time so it would not have been processed until Monday. Whether or not it really was an error from them or how you heard your available balance is hard to say. Just that in the future you need to be aware of cut-off times so that this "error" can not happen again. This goes for any bank.


Ashley

Springfield,
Missouri,
U.S.A.
additional information

#4Consumer Comment

Thu, July 30, 2009

Determining Availability of a Deposit We determine availability by counting the number of business days from the business day of your deposit. Every day except Saturday, Sunday and a federal holiday is a business day. If you make a deposit through one of our branch tellers, ATM or by mail before our cut-off time, we will consider that day to be the day of your deposit. However, if you make a deposit after our cut-off time or on a day that is not a business day, we will consider the deposit as being made on the next business day that we are open. Our cut-off time for branches will not be earlier than 2:00 p.m., but may vary by branch. The cut-off time for PNC Bank ATMs will be no earlier than 12:00 Noon, but may vary by location. The cut-off time for non-PNC Bank ATMs is 3:00 p.m. Deposits made through our night depository after 6:00 a.m. may be processed on the next business day. Availability varies depending on the type of deposit and is explained below. Checks drawn on banks located outside of the United States are not subject to this availability Policy. Please inquire regarding availability at the time you make such deposits. Initial $100 of Your Deposit The initial $100 of any deposit will be available on the evening of your deposit to pay checks you have written that are presented to us that evening for posting. The balance of the $100, if any, will be available on the first business day after the business day of your deposit for all purposes. The remaining balance of your total deposit will be available according to the availability provisions for such deposits as otherwise stated in this Policy. Initial $100 of Your Deposit The initial $100 of any deposit will be available on the evening of your deposit to pay checks you have written that are presented to us that evening for posting. The balance of the $100, if any, will be available on the first business day after the business day of your deposit for all purposes. This is all from their account disclosures.


Ashley

Springfield,
Missouri,
U.S.A.
Courtesy

#5Consumer Comment

Thu, July 30, 2009

Sounds like they are refunding you as a coutesy. if you will note, the bank has a cutoff time for deposits. You say you deposited both checks after 5pm on a friday. There is no bank that I know of in the country that will clear those checks until monday. Its all in your agreement. You spent money over the weekend on checks that has not cleared yet. Yes, they will show on your available balance, but only the amount your bank releases can be spent before the check clears. The bank did nothing wrong, this is all you not following the bank's procedures with deposits. Additionally, this will happen to you again if you use the automated line for your balance, the only way to be sure what your account balance is to use your check register. The bank INFORMED you of their check posting policy, in your account agreement, in black and white. This bank did not rip you off, you ripped off yourself for not understanding how banks work.

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