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  • Report:  #451961

Complaint Review: Suntrust - Orange Park Florida

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- Orange Park, Florida,
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Suntrust
www.suntrust.com Orange Park, 32073 Florida, U.S.A.
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I have had in the past problems with their overdraft fees. I'm not perfect, two people in the house with cards and things happen so occasional overdraft fees I feel are pretty normal. However after a specific issue in early 2009 where they sent something big through first and bounced a bunch of smaller items, I specifically asked how their process works.

They explained to me that all activity done before 4pm affects the account that given day. Deposits go through the account first, then the largest debit transaction down to the smallest. Now this caused an issue with me once, but as they explained it they send the largest through first as that seems to be the bill that is the most important. Makes sense to me and I noted it for the future. Anything after 4pm does not take affect until the next business day.

On May 12 my wife informed me she had made 2 purchases which after I checked would put us -$30 or so in our account. I called Suntrust at 4:23pm to see if the items would go through that day or the next. The representative said the items had not gone through yet and would most likely occur later in the week. I clearly asked if I would be able to make a deposit first thing in the morning and was told that would be fine. Now going by their above rules since it was after 4pm and they hadn't been debited yet, they wouldn't be until the next day if they came in. I double checked my balance online before I went to bed. Both transactions were listed as pending, again providing the belief they weren't going through until the 13th. 1 transaction for $177 still hadn't shown up as either pending or going through. At 7:45 am I made a deposit of $40 to cover the expected shortage. An hour later I get an email stating all 3 items had gone through on the 12th and was charged $108 in overage fees, putting me -$137 in my account. The largest bill had gone through first putting me at -$1 and change and the other 2 put me down to -29 and change before the 3 fees were taken out.

According to their rules, the debits shouldn't have been taken out on the 12th as they hadn't gone through before their 4pm deadline, and since my deposit was made the next morning, all should go through the same day. Again according to their own rules explaining how transactions go through, the deposit is supposed to go through first which would have avoided any charges at all.

When I asked about this the next day and requested removal of the fees, I was told this is not a bank error. Unfortunately I have to agree it isn't an error. It is a clear attempt to defraud customers by manipulation of your own transaction rules to force overdraft fees.

In addition I cannot get this company to provide me with a copy of the paperwork signed to start the account. In early 2009 after we had an overdraft charge they blocked the account from making any more charges. Again, not something abnormal, however they refused to release the account unless someone took time off work to come into the office despite the account having a positive balance when our direct deposits were put in. After 2 hours on the phone and finally losing my temper with 2 reps and a supervisor they allowed us to clear it over the phone.

However that leaves me curious as to how the government cannot block access to our accounts without a warrant but the bank itself can do so when the account has a positive balance. To this date despite numerous attempts, they have still not provided me with any paperwork signed by me that shows where they have the legal right to do this.

Lou

Orange Park, Florida

U.S.A.


3 Updates & Rebuttals

Loucappozzoli

Orange Park,
Florida,
U.S.A.
Response

#2Author of original report

Mon, May 18, 2009

Ken-I much appreciate that clarification. I kind of expect to have a pattern of overdrafts as my wife can't be bothered with updating me to update the checkbook all the time. My main problems in the past was being unable to get an accurate explanation of how their rules do things. I finally got an explanation of their rules and posted it in the initial report. Dee-The first half of your post is correct. My wife didn't notify me of 2 charges which would cause 3 NSF fees. The issue lies in the fact they either made an error of when the debits went through or purposefully manipulated the dates to force NSF fees. No charges went through on the 12th. I called in to verify once, and checked a few times the evening of the 12th online to make sure they hadn't gone through yet. I'm not sure how you think the bank doesn't have rules. They quite clearly spell out how their transaction rules work to me (and I copied the message from them to me below which states the have a rules pamphlet for transactions). I like how she messages me that the account balance beginning that day was -170.02. First my balance after they applied the debits at 9am on the 13th was -137 and my ending balance was -97 after they applied the deposit I put to cover the expected shortfall. If a bank has no control over when debits are put in then why is there a time limit to when transactions are applied to an account? Never had a problem with debits being applied correctly with Wachovia or Vystar. Appreciate the help both of you gave. Your explanations were very helpful. Our records show that on 05/12/09, you had a beginning day balance of -$170.02. Items were then presented to your account as follows: - Clay County UTIL (NSF-Paid) (balance: -$37.74) - Gate 1215: $20.00 (NSF-Paid) (balance: -$93.74) - Captain DS: $7.35 (NSF-Paid) (balance: -$137.09) Because funds were not available to pay the full amount of the presented items, more than one NSF (Non-Sufficient Funds) fees for $36.00 each were applied to your account. Each charge that is presented to a Non-Sufficient, Unavailable, or Uncollected balance receives a fee of $36.00. This fee is applied to the account whether the items are paid or returned. This information can be found in the fee schedule that you received when this account was opened. When your purchases are presented for payment, they will be paid in order from largest to smallest in accordance with your rules and regulations pamphlet. In the event that your balance does not cover all presented items, your account will be assessed fees accordingly. If you have any additional questions or comments, please feel free to contact us via email or by telephone


Dee

Florida,
Florida,
U.S.A.
bottom line

#3Consumer Suggestion

Fri, May 15, 2009

You spent money BEFORE it was in the account therefore, you owe the fees. Oh and your comment saying "according to their RULES"... there are no rules that say your debits should not have posted before they did. The bank has NO control over when debits come in and are posted to your account.


Ken

Randolph,
Massachusetts,
U.S.A.
Blocked Account

#4Consumer Comment

Fri, May 15, 2009

You account isn't blocked unless they refuse to allow you to write a check, or make a withdrawal at a teller window. What they did do is restrict your use of the debit card, and sight unbseen, I can assure you it is covered in the electronic services agreement you signed when you opened the account. Maybe the reason they wanted you to come to the branch was to see if they could help you get out of the pattern of overdrafts that you seem to be in. Could be they were trying to do the right thing.

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