Mms3rd
Shawnee,#2Consumer Comment
Fri, August 07, 2009
My law firm has filed a lawsuit in federal court in Kansas because we allege that a dealership was using the MILES program to get buyers (soldiers) in and then charging them options that were not on the cars...this is called over booking or power booking. You should ask your lender for all materials in your "jacket" to see what options the lender was told were on the car. The more options, the more the lender will lend and the more the buyer pays...at 17-18% interest. In some cases, the cars price was jacked up several thousand dollars because of these phantom options and the soldiers did not know they were being charged for them.
Mms3rd
Shawnee,#3Consumer Comment
Fri, August 07, 2009
My law firm has filed a lawsuit in federal court in Kansas because we allege that a dealership was using the MILES program to get buyers (soldiers) in and then charging them options that were not on the cars...this is called over booking or power booking. You should ask your lender for all materials in your "jacket" to see what options the lender was told were on the car. The more options, the more the lender will lend and the more the buyer pays...at 17-18% interest. In some cases, the cars price was jacked up several thousand dollars because of these phantom options and the soldiers did not know they were being charged for them.
Mms3rd
Shawnee,#4Consumer Comment
Fri, August 07, 2009
My law firm has filed a lawsuit in federal court in Kansas because we allege that a dealership was using the MILES program to get buyers (soldiers) in and then charging them options that were not on the cars...this is called over booking or power booking. You should ask your lender for all materials in your "jacket" to see what options the lender was told were on the car. The more options, the more the lender will lend and the more the buyer pays...at 17-18% interest. In some cases, the cars price was jacked up several thousand dollars because of these phantom options and the soldiers did not know they were being charged for them.
Mms3rd
Shawnee,#5Consumer Comment
Fri, August 07, 2009
My law firm has filed a lawsuit in federal court in Kansas because we allege that a dealership was using the MILES program to get buyers (soldiers) in and then charging them options that were not on the cars...this is called over booking or power booking. You should ask your lender for all materials in your "jacket" to see what options the lender was told were on the car. The more options, the more the lender will lend and the more the buyer pays...at 17-18% interest. In some cases, the cars price was jacked up several thousand dollars because of these phantom options and the soldiers did not know they were being charged for them.
Washingtonautocredit.com
Olympia,#6UPDATE Employee
Thu, June 26, 2008
I have been working with MILES for several years now. MILES is good at what it does: Help service members buy cars with little down payment, and not get completely ripped off at the dealer. The absolute maximum a dealer can sell a car for through the MILES program is Kelly Blue Book Retail on a used car, or MSRP on a New car. In case you have not noticed, a lot of car dealers (especially those located right next to military bases) mark their cars up much higher than the values MILES will let you buy the car for. It sounds like most of the problems coming from this rant stem from the dealer, Mountain Mitsubishi (who is no longer in business) not disclosing everything they should have. 1. MILES charges a $145 VSI fee directly to the customer for originating the loan. This is in a line of the contract, fully disclosed in black and white. If the dealer does not point it out to you, it is not MILES' problem. Don't want the fee? Do not get the loan. 2. MILES basically has 2 rates at this time. 18.45% for E1-E4 (used to be 17.95%), and 15.45% for E5+. There are situations that the rate can be slightly less with a high down payment, but most the service members I deal with decide to not put that much money down, or with a high down payment, we can get the service member a better loan than MILES. MILES openly tells its dealers, "If the service member qualifies for a better loan, use that one." Meaning they only want to be the backup lender if the service member cannot find a better loan. 3. MAC charges $3.00 per month for the allotment. If you cannot afford the $3.00, don't get the loan. The fee is fully disclosed on the MAC EASE Form that you HAVE to sign for MILES to fund the loan. 4. MILES is one of the ONLY companies willing to give an E1, E2, or E3 an auto loan. Most lenders have stopped lending to anyone that does not have good credit and makes over $2000 per month. Some junior enlisted soldiers qualify for better financing, but in my experience, not many do though. 5. MILES requires a drivers license. Any attempts to kink the system by the dealership are not the responsibility of MILES. 6. MILES also requires full coverage insurance. Any attempts to kink the system by the dealership are not the responsibility of MILES. 7. In all my time dealing with MILES, I have NEVER seen an allotment setup to come out late. In fact, usually they come out early and we have to do damage control because the customer is paying the car payment out of their paycheck before they were ready to. The MyPay system does not allow the user to set a specific start date, so it starts as soon as possible. We have to setup the due date so that there is at least one full calendar month until the first payment is due. The allotment is supposed to come out on the mid-month pay date prior to the payment due date. I can see where if you got behind on payments, it would be hard to know because you do not generally see a monthly statement like most loans, and the money is automatically deducted. However, if worse comes to worse, all you have to do to edit or stop most allotments (including those we setup for MILES) is log into your MyPay and make the changes needed. There have been some changes made to the MILES loan process since this report, probably because of incidents like the ones he described with being late. You see, now the allotment has to be actually setup in MyPay by the dealership before the loan will be funded by MILES. Before, the service member would only fill out the MAC Ease form. I see a lot of service members go places on South Tacoma way, and get ripped off. They buy cars with 29.99% APR, they buy cars with 100,000+ miles. They buy cars that are not going to run for any length of time. MILES is setup to help the service member get a fair deal. Maybe not the best deal ever, but a fair deal. People with good credit say the interest rate is too high, but are seldom willing to co-sign with the person they say is being put into a predatory lending situation. MILES does help service members buy cars with as little as $500 cash or trade equity down, and only will do a limited loan to value on the vehicle. They also are the only lender I know of that will give every customer the option to have GAP and/or an extended warranty on every loan. Most banks will not allow it into the loan or payment limit on every loan. MILES would rather you buy a car and know that if it breaks down, it is covered. And would like you to have GAP in case the car is totaled or stolen and the insurance company does not payoff the balance. With many banks, if the lender has not approved the additional payment, you have to have additional down payment to buy those items. With MILES, your approval amount is BEFORE warranty and/or GAP. In addition, the prices of the Warranty/GAP with MILES are almost always significantly lower than the prices offered to Non-MILES customers. MILES sets the price of both, instead of the dealer setting the price. At WashingtonAutoCredit.com, we use MILES, SNACC (Service National), and other Military Lenders. It is our job to try to help you find the best loan you qualify for. We are located 10-minutes south of Fort Lewis, and we will help you face to face. The MILES program is the best loan for many service members. However, there are many service members that can do better. Let us try to work for you. If you are in the Army or Air Force at Ft. Lewis or McCord, let us work for you. You can call 360-412-4120 and get the help you need. http://www.washingtonautocredit.com
Denver
Leavenworth,#7Consumer Comment
Thu, June 28, 2007
Honestly, I am not as vigilant as you are in finding out the facts. I always knew things seemed a little fishy but I just ignored it. Now I am approaching my 5th year on a 5 year contract and still owe $10k. I have just now realized that I was never meant to pay off this loan. All of the money I have put into it has been eaten by finance charges, late fees, and what ever else they think they should be charging me. I have just decided to give the darn thing back to them and tell them to kiss my A S S. I am also filing for bankruptcy so that I ensure those crooked SOBs will never see another dime of my money. Good luck on your lawsuit. If I could build a case against them I would.