Complaint Review: Visions Investment Group - American Fork Utah

Everyone seems to be saying they are wanting to sue Visions Investment group and complain but then do nothing. Do a search on rip off report for Visions Investments (Have your perfect credit ruined) just click the link and join the lawsuit. Make this company face the consequenses for all they have done. Talk gets no one anywere, it takes effort and determination to bring criminals to justice. Do you realize that if only 100 people per seminar sign up with visons and they do an average of 3 per weekend in a given area and seem to do at least one weekend a month maybe even more often, that they are bringing in around 2 million dollars? So how can they be having financial problems? seems to me they are running to the bank or banks with everyones hard earned cash and living high on the hog while you sweat it out. They can be brought down and possible even sent to jail, but everyone needs to get together so fight back. Everyone might want to contact 60 minutes and if enough do they will see the potential to do a story on this company and thier shadow companies. Several of which are doing business illegally.

I was hesitant to make another post here. At the end of the day, everything on an anonymous forum is hearsay and everyone has their own opinion. But, I felt a need to stick up for some of the things that were recently said about my specific post. I want to preface it, however, by saying that this is not personal. I have a great respect for "ballen." I had the chance to work with him personally for quite a while and while I don't necessarily agree with him on everything, I believe he is an honest and sincere person who helped me out on a lot of things. I wish him nothing but the best of luck in whatever endeavors he undertakes. For the record, I was fired from VIG a couple of years ago. Do I have "hard feelings" towards the company? Yes and no. Yes, because I was directly lied to and dealt with dishonestly by Troy and Jon. I'm not going to rehash it all here, but there's no gray area. I was told things. Those things were not true, and they knew they were not true. As owners of the company they had every right to fire me as they pleased. That's fine, a lot of my problems had to do with my own naivety and poor choices. But, my dealings with those two exposed a lack of ethics and honesty. On the other hand, the majority of my co-workers were great. I was respected and given the opportunity to learn and the assistance I needed. I definitely have no hard feelings about my time with them. Personally I am more successful financially and quite a bit happier with my life now than I ever was working at Visions. It's been a long time since I was fired, and I am working in a completely different industry that has no relation to Visions or real estate. What went on then taught me some hard lessons, but what goes on there now has no bearing on my life. The intent in my original post was simply to express my opinion that people putting their money into that company are making a mistake. I believed that then, I believe it now. With that introduction, a few points I would like to respond to in ballen's post... "The principles that they teach i.e., how to leverage assets and increase your own ability are priceless. Obviously this person is too narrow minded to apply what they learned from Visions to any other aspect of their life!" Again, this is not personal, but I believe ballen is wrong. From a philosophical standpoint there is some truth in what he says. Things Visions teaches can be applied to other areas of life. But, you don't need to pay a company to learn those things. Many, many people have written books that can be checked out at your local library for free. Moreover, my comment was specifically about the real estate function of VIG. Having studied it, spoken with experienced (and successful) financial and legal advisors about it, and sporadically followed some people involved in it, I have concluded that it is critically flawed and will not work long-term, especially when markets take inevitable down turns. I have seen people using it who made money for a time, and are now losing it. It is my opinion that the strategies employed by Visions to make money on real estate properties work only deceptively, and when you actually do the math over a long period of time, it's not sustainable. It's somewhat complicated and not worth the space it takes to go over here, but you don't have to be 'open-minded' to do simple math and see where money is going and where money is coming from. Sooner or later, I believe anyone using the Visions system will find it collapses on them. If not, I'll eat my crow and move on, it really doesn't matter to me either way, but I wouldn't recommend the system to anyone. Another comment... "I have stayed in contact with Visions on and off since I left and from what I can see, the coaches turnover rate has more to do with the coaches realizing that they can make more money on their own by implementing what they teach than by staying with the company." This might be true now. But it certainly wasn't true two years ago. I haven't followed the company close enough to know. But, I personally had conversations with some coaches who quit and were fired, and it had to do with the owners - not the money. That's simply what they told me and that's all there is to it. I really can't say any more about it. It might be different now, I haven't followed the company closely enough to know. Final comment... "Of course only a small number of people make money with their program, that is how every seminar course works. You must be plain stupid if you think that everyone that pays 3K is going to make a million dollars." I don't know how every seminar program works, but that's not really the point. And I respectfully assert that I am not 'plain stupid.' I saw a lot of students work very hard, keep there appointments, and work for months without results. It wasn't because of bad luck or lack of effort or commitment on their part. It was because the company didn't work for them and didn't do what it said it would. This was not one or two isolated cases. During my time with the company, it was the rule (not the exception) that even the committed and hard-working students rarely made much money. Most of them made nothing. I can't remember specific names now, but those cases were troubling to me, because I knew it wasn't my fault or their fault. I have spoken my peace. I respect those who have differing opinions and have had different experiences, but I am simply telling people what I believe and what my experiences were. I did not intend to ever post about this company again, but only did so to clarify and defend some of my earlier points. It is of little consequence to me whether VIG fails or succeeds. I simply believe it is not a wise place to put time and money, but obviously some feel it is. Those investigating can do their best to research and get the facts and make their own choices as we all do. Again, I have nothing but respect for ballen as a person and I wish him and others luck. If I did have any ax to grind it would be with Jon and Troy, but even that would be a precious waste of time and emotion. It was so long ago it really doesn't matter anymore other than as some tough (but valuable) lessons learned about honesty and ethics in the work place.

Quote from "Ballen's post:" After learning from Visions Investment Group, I have been able to close multiple real estate transaction, but more importantly take the principles behind their model and adapt my business with the current real estate trends. My business currently makes $45,000 a month in passive income and I have the ability to spend my time the way I want. My business in not a real estate business and Visions did not build my business, I did! . Very interesting, really? Let's see what was said in your entry. [1] You allude to "learning from Visions" and allude to "being able to close multiple real estate deals". [2] Quote: "My business in not a real estate business and Visions did not build my business, I did!" You "adapt your NON real estate business" with "current real estate trends". All the while using their priinciples and model. Pardon my confusion here. I'm reminded of the old cliche "talking out both sides of your mouth". [3] You state an income of $45K per month. Holy cow! That's OVER a half a million $$$ per year. And you have the audacity of accusing another writer of contradicting herself? Tell 'ya what, "Ballen", your ENTIRE post is rife with contradictions and frankly, the income generated (over $500K) is totally beyond belief. In a country (USA) where the average statistical median annual income is $48,201.00. You bring in $500K +? Yeah, sure you do.

Mr. Allen, I too have proof of my experiences. I have seen your testimonial on Visions new website and have read your interpretations of others who are seeking their promised money back. This report, however is not about you and one does have to wonder why you are diligently watching this site. You have nothing vested, as you stated you are a successful investor with this system. If the system works for you and they did not require any illegal activity on your part, then we all wish you continued success. I have investigated this system and found otherwise. All we want is for Visions to refund our money. If you need to believe that myself and all these others with the same story are lying or lazy then you indeed can do so. If you are still tight with Visions, then explain why Ms. Moon has made promise after promise to return our money but she never sends it. If there are successful investors in this system, then why do they tell us they have money issues? If they have successful acquisiton specialists, then why did it take them 9 months to find a home when we wanted to become a Credit Optimizer? When we finally hear about a home, they apologize and tell us its the first house they have had in a year! I know you want to blame us but all I want is for them to refund our money. If we need to provide proof in a court, then we are all ready to go with recorded calls to Ms. Moon and all the documentation to back up what we have said. I do not want this to become something between you and I. My issue lies with Visions Investment only.

I am happy to provide proof for any of my statements.

I don't belive a word from Mr. Allen's post. My wife and I followed their instructions diligently for 11 months with no results then we discovered their operation is illegal. They asked us to lie on the application to the lender and tried to get us to perfom lease options in a state where they are illegal. Please look for blogs titled Visions Investment.

Although I am not an active student of Visions Investment Group, I went through their program and was very successful. I also coached for Visions for a little while. I have not been involved with the company for about 2 years but would like to throw in my two cents. I had countless phone calls and meetings with Alison Moon and in my opinion she is the easiest person to talk to that I know. She showed integrity and follow through with every item that I sent her. I had disagreements with some of the techniques that Visions taught but each one of my concerns were handled promptly and with considerations. I find it interesting that a student, that signed a contract, had 4 coaching sessions, and that obviously gave up on herself and her future would have the guts to call someone a liar and claim that they "RIP OFF honest hardworking individuals." Whatever helps you sleep at night! IN REALITY: The author of this post contradicts herself multiple times stating that "The first few time he called us it was on time. Then after that, he called us late every time we had a phone appointment...." where later she claims that she only received 4 coaching sessions (HOW DOES THAT WORK?). Based on the logic she used, it would be fair to assume that she is a CON ARTIST, that she is DISHONEST, and a LIAR. If I was Visions, I would look at her request for her money back as a MOOCHER of information that is trying to get something for nothing. I can tell you from personal experience that their program works if you work it. Nothing is free and becoming an investor is hard. Laura was obviously not up for the challenge. If she wanted to be a real estate or any other type of investor, then she would have put forth a little effort herself instead of waiting for her coach to call. My understanding of the Visions Investment Model is to give you the tools to be successful. It is not their fault if the student doesn't take advantage of those tools. After learning from Visions Investment Group, I have been able to close multiple real estate transaction, but more importantly take the principles behind their model and adapt my business with the current real estate trends. My business currently makes $45,000 a month in passive income and I have the ability to spend my time the way I want. My business in not a real estate business and Visions did not build my business, I did! I built it by applying the principles that Jon, Eric, Alison and others teach every day. Jon, Eric, and Alison did not invent what they teach, however they have become proficient in sharing it with those who want to listen. I would recommend the company to anyone trying to change their life and perspective. Visions will not make you rich and successful, but rather give you some tools that too many people like Laura have missed out on in life. Laura, If I were you, I would pay the 3K and start over --- this time with an open mind and desire to learn! IN RESPONSE TO THE OTHER COMMENTS: I would like to comment on the statement made under "Good Luck". The statement made was that, "...the succes storys that you see on the website were never clients of the vision investments group cumpany." This statement is a flat out lie and Jon should find the "employee insider" that made the comment and fire them. I would be happy to show anyone proof that the testimony from Dave Allen is a real student... In fact, he is my Dad and lives in Dallas, TX! I would also like to comment on the statement made under "Great seminar. Bad company". Of course only a small number of people make money with their program, that is how every seminar course works. You must be plain stupid if you think that everyone that pays 3K is going to make a million dollars. Use your head people! The second comment that this ex-employee made is that .."the investment techniques Visions teaches are critically flawed and only work in the short-term during a 'boom' market - the kind of market that is now evaporating all across the nation." Are you kidding me? The principles that they teach i.e., how to leverage assets and increase your own ability are priceless. Obviously this person is too narrow minded to apply what they learned from Visions to any other aspect of their life! Another comment made is "Originally the company did have some good coaches with some solid real estate background, but they all got fed up and quit or were fired for superfluous reasons (i.e. stepping on the owners' sensitive toes)." Not only was I a student, but I also coached for Visions when they started. I know all the coaches personally that are referred to in this statement. In fact, I am one of them. I can tell you that I did not quit because I was fed up but I left the company because of how successful I was in my other ventures. I have stayed in contact with Visions on and off since I left and from what I can see, the coaches turnover rate has more to do with the coaches realizing that they can make more money on their own by implementing what they teach than by staying with the company. On the other hand, the person writing this post probably has a bias because he got fired and still has bad feelings toward Visions. In my opinion, if you rely on Visions to make you a fortune, you will fall on your face. If you look at Visions as a chance to learn something that you probably don't know, evaluate your life, and apply the information to your every day living, then Visions can be very beneficial.

Although I am not an active student of Visions Investment Group, I went through their program and was very successful. I also coached for Visions for a little while. I have not been involved with the company for about 2 years but would like to throw in my two cents. I had countless phone calls and meetings with Alison Moon and in my opinion she is the easiest person to talk to that I know. She showed integrity and follow through with every item that I sent her. I had disagreements with some of the techniques that Visions taught but each one of my concerns were handled promptly and with considerations. I find it interesting that a student, that signed a contract, had 4 coaching sessions, and that obviously gave up on herself and her future would have the guts to call someone a liar and claim that they "RIP OFF honest hardworking individuals." Whatever helps you sleep at night! IN REALITY: The author of this post contradicts herself multiple times stating that "The first few time he called us it was on time. Then after that, he called us late every time we had a phone appointment...." where later she claims that she only received 4 coaching sessions (HOW DOES THAT WORK?). Based on the logic she used, it would be fair to assume that she is a CON ARTIST, that she is DISHONEST, and a LIAR. If I was Visions, I would look at her request for her money back as a MOOCHER of information that is trying to get something for nothing. I can tell you from personal experience that their program works if you work it. Nothing is free and becoming an investor is hard. Laura was obviously not up for the challenge. If she wanted to be a real estate or any other type of investor, then she would have put forth a little effort herself instead of waiting for her coach to call. My understanding of the Visions Investment Model is to give you the tools to be successful. It is not their fault if the student doesn't take advantage of those tools. After learning from Visions Investment Group, I have been able to close multiple real estate transaction, but more importantly take the principles behind their model and adapt my business with the current real estate trends. My business currently makes $45,000 a month in passive income and I have the ability to spend my time the way I want. My business in not a real estate business and Visions did not build my business, I did! I built it by applying the principles that Jon, Eric, Alison and others teach every day. Jon, Eric, and Alison did not invent what they teach, however they have become proficient in sharing it with those who want to listen. I would recommend the company to anyone trying to change their life and perspective. Visions will not make you rich and successful, but rather give you some tools that too many people like Laura have missed out on in life. Laura, If I were you, I would pay the 3K and start over --- this time with an open mind and desire to learn! IN RESPONSE TO THE OTHER COMMENTS: I would like to comment on the statement made under "Good Luck". The statement made was that, "...the succes storys that you see on the website were never clients of the vision investments group cumpany." This statement is a flat out lie and Jon should find the "employee insider" that made the comment and fire them. I would be happy to show anyone proof that the testimony from Dave Allen is a real student... In fact, he is my Dad and lives in Dallas, TX! I would also like to comment on the statement made under "Great seminar. Bad company". Of course only a small number of people make money with their program, that is how every seminar course works. You must be plain stupid if you think that everyone that pays 3K is going to make a million dollars. Use your head people! The second comment that this ex-employee made is that .."the investment techniques Visions teaches are critically flawed and only work in the short-term during a 'boom' market - the kind of market that is now evaporating all across the nation." Are you kidding me? The principles that they teach i.e., how to leverage assets and increase your own ability are priceless. Obviously this person is too narrow minded to apply what they learned from Visions to any other aspect of their life! Another comment made is "Originally the company did have some good coaches with some solid real estate background, but they all got fed up and quit or were fired for superfluous reasons (i.e. stepping on the owners' sensitive toes)." Not only was I a student, but I also coached for Visions when they started. I know all the coaches personally that are referred to in this statement. In fact, I am one of them. I can tell you that I did not quit because I was fed up but I left the company because of how successful I was in my other ventures. I have stayed in contact with Visions on and off since I left and from what I can see, the coaches turnover rate has more to do with the coaches realizing that they can make more money on their own by implementing what they teach than by staying with the company. On the other hand, the person writing this post probably has a bias because he got fired and still has bad feelings toward Visions. In my opinion, if you rely on Visions to make you a fortune, you will fall on your face. If you look at Visions as a chance to learn something that you probably don't know, evaluate your life, and apply the information to your every day living, then Visions can be very beneficial.

Although I am not an active student of Visions Investment Group, I went through their program and was very successful. I also coached for Visions for a little while. I have not been involved with the company for about 2 years but would like to throw in my two cents. I had countless phone calls and meetings with Alison Moon and in my opinion she is the easiest person to talk to that I know. She showed integrity and follow through with every item that I sent her. I had disagreements with some of the techniques that Visions taught but each one of my concerns were handled promptly and with considerations. I find it interesting that a student, that signed a contract, had 4 coaching sessions, and that obviously gave up on herself and her future would have the guts to call someone a liar and claim that they "RIP OFF honest hardworking individuals." Whatever helps you sleep at night! IN REALITY: The author of this post contradicts herself multiple times stating that "The first few time he called us it was on time. Then after that, he called us late every time we had a phone appointment...." where later she claims that she only received 4 coaching sessions (HOW DOES THAT WORK?). Based on the logic she used, it would be fair to assume that she is a CON ARTIST, that she is DISHONEST, and a LIAR. If I was Visions, I would look at her request for her money back as a MOOCHER of information that is trying to get something for nothing. I can tell you from personal experience that their program works if you work it. Nothing is free and becoming an investor is hard. Laura was obviously not up for the challenge. If she wanted to be a real estate or any other type of investor, then she would have put forth a little effort herself instead of waiting for her coach to call. My understanding of the Visions Investment Model is to give you the tools to be successful. It is not their fault if the student doesn't take advantage of those tools. After learning from Visions Investment Group, I have been able to close multiple real estate transaction, but more importantly take the principles behind their model and adapt my business with the current real estate trends. My business currently makes $45,000 a month in passive income and I have the ability to spend my time the way I want. My business in not a real estate business and Visions did not build my business, I did! I built it by applying the principles that Jon, Eric, Alison and others teach every day. Jon, Eric, and Alison did not invent what they teach, however they have become proficient in sharing it with those who want to listen. I would recommend the company to anyone trying to change their life and perspective. Visions will not make you rich and successful, but rather give you some tools that too many people like Laura have missed out on in life. Laura, If I were you, I would pay the 3K and start over --- this time with an open mind and desire to learn! IN RESPONSE TO THE OTHER COMMENTS: I would like to comment on the statement made under "Good Luck". The statement made was that, "...the succes storys that you see on the website were never clients of the vision investments group cumpany." This statement is a flat out lie and Jon should find the "employee insider" that made the comment and fire them. I would be happy to show anyone proof that the testimony from Dave Allen is a real student... In fact, he is my Dad and lives in Dallas, TX! I would also like to comment on the statement made under "Great seminar. Bad company". Of course only a small number of people make money with their program, that is how every seminar course works. You must be plain stupid if you think that everyone that pays 3K is going to make a million dollars. Use your head people! The second comment that this ex-employee made is that .."the investment techniques Visions teaches are critically flawed and only work in the short-term during a 'boom' market - the kind of market that is now evaporating all across the nation." Are you kidding me? The principles that they teach i.e., how to leverage assets and increase your own ability are priceless. Obviously this person is too narrow minded to apply what they learned from Visions to any other aspect of their life! Another comment made is "Originally the company did have some good coaches with some solid real estate background, but they all got fed up and quit or were fired for superfluous reasons (i.e. stepping on the owners' sensitive toes)." Not only was I a student, but I also coached for Visions when they started. I know all the coaches personally that are referred to in this statement. In fact, I am one of them. I can tell you that I did not quit because I was fed up but I left the company because of how successful I was in my other ventures. I have stayed in contact with Visions on and off since I left and from what I can see, the coaches turnover rate has more to do with the coaches realizing that they can make more money on their own by implementing what they teach than by staying with the company. On the other hand, the person writing this post probably has a bias because he got fired and still has bad feelings toward Visions. In my opinion, if you rely on Visions to make you a fortune, you will fall on your face. If you look at Visions as a chance to learn something that you probably don't know, evaluate your life, and apply the information to your every day living, then Visions can be very beneficial.

I would like to make a comment on the last rebuttal to my post. My husband and I both worked very hard on their program. We did everything they asked and more. However, our mentors didn't call us when they were supposed to and sometimes they didnt' call us at all. They rarely answered their phones and it was hard to get our questions answered. We also paid for internet training that they said was like the University of Phoenix nd they hadn't even developed it yet. The way they do their business is that they offer people very low prices for their homes. They find desperate people and they take adavantage of them. Also I would like to mention that the agent at the Consumer Fraud Dept in Utah told me that he had a whole pile of complaints from this company. He also told me that they don't hold their own seminars in the state of Utah so the agents can't attend them. That seems very sketchy to me. The reason we got our money back was because Visions Investment Group didn't respond to our credit card company and I put together all the evidence of the work we did and everything else to send to the credit card company and they decided in our favor. Visions Investment Group also didn't respond to the Better Business Burearu, the Fraud Complaint Dept and the Credit Card Company. Several of the employees at the company were very rude when we called and we had to go through a lot of crap to get our money back. If you would like to know how they do business, just check out their record at the Better Business Burearu.

I am responding to the complaint filed by Laura & David Carter and Jeanne Lafontaine. They signed a bona fide contract with Visions Investment Group. They understood the terms and conditions upon which a refund would be granted. Consumer protection agencies, lobbying with government, knowing people have buyers remorse, enacted the law of "buyers right of rescinsion" after 3 business days. In both of these cases they waited months after that time. We sell real estate investment education, created to be a proven business model that works. I would say to both of these people, if you take a class in college and recieve an "F" for a grade, because you didnt complete your assignments and failed your exams or didnt even bother to attend class, you would not be able to say I want my money back. We cant come and reposess education nor can we recover expenses we incurred trying to "teach" these people. It is frustrating ,as a company ,when people like the above aforementioned write slanderous statements because they are emotionally charged and definitely not thinking clearly. They plead their cases like they have every reason to receive their money back when in reality they have done nothing. Making statements like "it doesnt work", "its a scam", are easy outs for those who havent even tried. Much like buying a gym membership with the hope of losing weight and getting in shape, then three months down the road, they weigh more than when they started. They say they went to the gym a little, still ate the same and never reached their goal. Who is to blame, the gym or the member?? We have refunded others, who did the process and werent successful, but genuinely and sincerely tried. As a company we are wise enough to know, that not all will be successful. All we ask is that they give it their all. Who protects the business from dishonest, unethical people who enter into contracts and decide that they have no intention of holding up their promise. We did issue Ms. Lafontaine a refund and the Carters did a charge back to their card which cost us even more money that we will never recover. We have documentation of this at anyones request. At no point, were they ever called liars or treated disrespectfully, I wished I could say that were true on their parts. I understand being upset but I dont think it gives anyone the right to make slanderous statements about a business. We certainly wish the Carters and the Ms Lafontaine the best and sincerely wish they could have achieved true financial independence as others have.

Consumers beware. Stay away from Visions Investment Group. The owners, Jon Lowry and Troy Doller, are great salesmen and give a fantastic seminar, but they run a disfunctional company and only a ridiculously small percentage of clients have ever made any money with them (ridiculously small = you can count them with two hands). For one, the investment techniques Visions teaches are critically flawed and only work in the short-term during a "boom" market - the kind of market that is now evaporating all across the nation. Second, virtually none of the coaches that Lowry and Doller employ are in any way successful in real estate. Originally the company did have some good coaches with some solid real estate background, but they all got fed up and quit or were fired for superfluous reasons (i.e. stepping on the owners' sensitive toes). In fact, the turnover rate amoung the few coaches Visions does employ is ridiculous. But, the most telling part about the company? Most of the employees work in the marketing department and/or call center and are solely responsible for getting more people to the next scheduled seminar. Both Lowry and Doller come from marketing/sales backgrounds and that's really what they're about - all sizzle and no steak. Neither of them have had any substantial success in real estate themselves. The reason people are finding it so hard to get their money back despite the "guarantee" is because Visions is failing. They aren't getting enough real estate deals done to keep the cashflow up and they are scrapping for every dollar to keep the business operations afloat. It's pretty typical for the Visions to see a big rush on refund requests a few months after a seminar when all the students that signed up realize they wasted their money. This has happened to the company several times, and it's gotten to the point where it is now devastating to the bottom line. So, if you've gone to a seminar and are thinking of doing business with these guys, run - don't walk - run away. If you've got money in with them in any way (student courses/hard money lending, etc.) do what you can to get it out now.

Visions Investment Group. John Lohry hasn't made a dime using the technikes that he sells you, and Troy Dollar is no big invester either. I have inside knowledge and can promise you that this is a fact. They have a streem of failed companys behind them though, and if you check into it, you'll see that when one company collapsus because of dishonest practices, they ride it into the ground and start anuther one. Also, the succes storys that you see on the website were never clients of the vision investments group cumpany. I'd love to see them finaly nailed to the ground. Not one of thier "experts" that I have met has made any money in real estat and not one has any qualificashuns to teach you.