It would seem that i got the other pair from the same guys that ripped off the fella on veternas in louisiana. They approached me in a home depot parking lot. the story basically was that they were working for a company who put together a system for hooters and they were overshipped 4 speakers due to the loaders. if they went back to their boss with them not only would he be mad but keep the speakers. we negotiated and i gaved them a couple hundred for a pair. if anyone nabs them let me know.