Complaint Review: BrokerOutpost.com - Darin Ferraro And Tom Descular - Las Vegas Nevada

Carlo has a long history of Internet Slander, Credit Card Fraud. My name is Roshan Shah and I am CEO of BPO Canada. This guy took services, paid by third person's credit card on paypal and once he got the code, he has the third person file a charge back. While Carlo signed the contract, he was nowhere there in the payment cycle and got the money back. Such a cheap broke guy you must keep away with. (((Redacted)))deal-carefully Business matters are first resolved internally and he acted over smart to post things against my company and I saw that he has done this much earlier too and follows this practice of bashing up others for his own misdeeds. He just didn't realize that everyone does not take things hands down. I am willing to work with anyone who want to fix this for good. My website can be used to contact me. Roshan CLICK here to see why Rip-off Report, as a matter of policy, deleted either a phone number, link or e-mail address from this Report.

The owner Darin Ferraro is involved with selling mortgage leads and owns a company named Loanapps. Here is the scam. The more posts a member has is supposed to carry weight, as they are deemed "trusted" and their names appear higher up in the member list. This is confusing and misleading as consumers and new loan officers in the business are led to believe they are knowledgeable and are unaware of this scam. It has come to light on a post that was erased (as many are when any criticism of "the Fraternity" is revealed) that lead providers are trying to get as high a post count as possible so they appear "legitimate". Many new loan officers are taken in this way. One of the providers named "Darkstar, aka Stephen Ames" has even claimed while drunk according to a past business partner that his marketing plan was to hit 3500 posts before advertising his services. There have been quite a few complaints about his leads and business tactics but the posts magically disappear. Several members have always taken up for him because they get free leads by lying for him about the quality of his leads. If another member calls them out on it they are banned immediately claiming a violation of forum rules. Many loan officers go in there and pretend to be wholesale lenders to steal loans and customer financial information. This whole site is a scam to sell leads and it is becoming very evident. Avoid like the plague.

Do you know that Darin steals people's leads through the pre-qual dispatch? He has a boiler room in Vegas where he closes these loans and he uses the leads that BO members enter in pre-qual dispatch.

TRIGGER LEADS! This guy is chapped because he got a bad name on BO(Broker Outpost) because he sells triggers. I have been a member of BO for two years now as a lead provider as well as mortgage consultant and its the best thing since sliced sourgough.

I am a new member of Broker Outpost and everything I have seen so far is positive. I have had to contact the owner regarding a concern and the owner was excellent to work with. I am a paying premier member and expect Broker Outpost to be a very valuable addition to my business tools. The questions that repeated ad-infinitum are rediculous. The charges don't require and answer because its obvious the person complaining only wants to engage the owner of the site. Aldous Huxley once said "a foolish consistency is the the sign of a small mind" and I must say that the consistently repeating questions that are of no consequence has been as foolish as it comes! Frankly I am disappointed in Rip-off Report for allowing this stupidity to continue!

I am a new member of Broker Outpost and everything I have seen so far is positive. I have had to contact the owner regarding a concern and the owner was excellent to work with. I am a paying premier member and expect Broker Outpost to be a very valuable addition to my business tools. The questions that repeated ad-infinitum are rediculous. The charges don't require and answer because its obvious the person complaining only wants to engage the owner of the site. Aldous Huxley once said "a foolish consistency is the the sign of a small mind" and I must say that the consistently repeating questions that are of no consequence has been as foolish as it comes! Frankly I am disappointed in Rip-off Report for allowing this stupidity to continue!

I am a new member of Broker Outpost and everything I have seen so far is positive. I have had to contact the owner regarding a concern and the owner was excellent to work with. I am a paying premier member and expect Broker Outpost to be a very valuable addition to my business tools. The questions that repeated ad-infinitum are rediculous. The charges don't require and answer because its obvious the person complaining only wants to engage the owner of the site. Aldous Huxley once said "a foolish consistency is the the sign of a small mind" and I must say that the consistently repeating questions that are of no consequence has been as foolish as it comes! Frankly I am disappointed in Rip-off Report for allowing this stupidity to continue!

I'll answer your question. The GetLeads Network Logo is a trademark and my website of Verisign and BBB were paid subscription in the past. I didn't see the point of paying a subscription just to have these extra cost of membership. As for Verisign, I haven't had a chance to get my web designer to change that but I will have to eventually, thanks for reminding me. As for BBB, I still have a good record with them and I just didn't see the point paying $470.00 every 3 months to keep a BBB membership just to be in the yellow pages of San Diego. However, if you call BBB of San Diego... my company record is still in their database and has a good reputation. As for emortgageloanhunter.com? That's just a dummy website to explain how our leads are generated. All of my lead generating websites are SSL certified by Vault. As for BrokerOutpost members, I can really careless about what they say. Some of the signing members from BrokerOutpost are rude and uncivil anyway. They go into other forums, such as Mortgage Broker Land, and they think they can act like a kids when they join-in (Mortgage Broker Land Forum). The moderators, Greg Phillips and Eric Baty, just happen to know who those guys are and they're always on top of things when they see BrokerOutposters that are causing wreckage. The members in BrokerOutpost are always uncanny and defensive but unfortunately that type of attitude is not accepted in Mortgage Broker Land Forum. So Tom, I answered your question already and I understand that you careless about having to answer me back. The question still lies upon you.... 1. If the owner of BrokerOutpost.com knew the lead provider that was selling bogus leads was registered and operated under his server, then why didn't he just shut down the lead provider's website - instead he continued to host the URL online? 2. TY Tom Desular - Why did you cheered on the lead provider that ripped-off a bunch of BrokerOutpost members and praised his products if you have never purchased leads from him; then now that these customers are looking for him you are pretending like you are on a hunt for him as well? 3. TY Tom Desular - At least name a few - from BrokerOutpost that purchased leads from me that I've ripped-off? Readers, as you can see the patern. He refuses to answer 3 simple questions. Why? Because he knows he is wrong and he continues to be so defensive on this thread. Readers, as you can see the patern. He refuses to answer 3 simple questions. Why? Because he knows he is wrong and he continues to be so defensive on this thread.

The whole point of replying to this thread is not to help YOU Carlo. Nobody. Not ONE person has come to your aid at all. You are not a well person. Do you think I , or anyone, has to answer to YOU? The only reason all of us have replied to is to ADVERTISE THE SITE. Not you answer your moronic questions. You may want to try to save face now: answer to your unsecured website and stolen logo. you have been called a 'scam artist' -answer the person who posted it. answer about your lapsed BBB logo as well. answer why YOU have tried (pathetically) to smear Broker Outpost and all you have done is give us FREE ADVERTISING AND GLOWING REVIEWS. answer why everyone has DEFENDED the site -and LAMBASTED you...... you owe a lot of people explanations son. I dont owe YOU -or anyone who dares to be as sad as you, any explanation for what i do. i dont want to know you or anyone like you. I dont associate with people like you. You are irrelivant. You mean nothing. We feel nothing for you at all. We dont hate you -dislike you or like you.We feel nothing. Like you dont exist. Goodbye.

Tom, 3 simple questions.. 1. If the owner of BrokerOutpost.com knew the lead provider that was selling bogus leads was registered and operated under his server, then why didn't he just shut down the lead provider's website - instead he continued to host the URL online? 2. TY Tom Desular - Why did you cheered on the lead provider that ripped-off a bunch of BrokerOutpost members and praised his products if you have never purchased leads from him; then now that these customers are looking for him you are pretending like you are on a hunt for him as well? 3. TY Tom Desular - At least name a few - from BrokerOutpost that purchased leads from me that I've ripped-off? Thanks,

Readers: Carlo keeps jockeying from one angle to the next -like he was hired as God and we have to answer all his questions, regardless of how dubious they are becoming. The owner of broker outpost is not responsible for people misbehaving on his site. He boots people off and does the best he can. If the provider or whoever is a SPONSOR of the site, then obviously its a different scenerio. The owner has to be very cautious about complaints to his business partners as anyone can make up complaints. He looks into it very carefully like any of us would. The sponsor must be given a chance to defend themselves and set the record straight for the members. He cant just 'boot' a sponsor off who is in a business relationship with him -like he can with us free members. We free members have no business relationship with him and are there by his courtesy only. This of course shows the Broker Outpost cares about its business associates and does not go 'off the handle' at every complaint . He gives his business partners a chance to handle the matter. If they dont, then of course further steps may happen. As for the guy who got taken for 7k. I know him quite well. But this was a free member who advertised -not a sponsor and was recieved very well. He then did not deliver, and our poor member and others got taken for $$$ on again the stupid 'lead' theory. How can the owner be responsible for what his free members do? Thats ridiculous. Again, Carlo is jiving from one angle to the next -and the only reason i am replying is of course to give free advertising to the site. keep on griping carlo. Thankyou for the free advertising.

Carlo: we have answered all of your questions but you continue to complain. What if nobody cares about your already answered whining? Not one person agrees with you. However, keep whining to keep the thread going. It gives more people a chance to promote the site. Readers: We would love to have all professionals at broker outpost. As you can see, nobody else has complained or come to Carlo's aid or defence. On the contrary, as all of the previous posts indicate, Brokeroutpost has been given rave reviews on this thread. By people who are members, people who just joined, and by those who havent seen the site. The owner plans to unveil a second phase to his premium membership. He also updates the free side and our site continues to grow. We have over 192 pages of members -and its growing. Take the time to come check it out. Its well worth it. cheers

Hello Steve, Thanks for the input but we are looking for facts here. I don't think your "Child's Play" remark answered the ripped-off questions below. Readers! Once again, just another BrokerOutpost member that is hidding behind silly remarks and thinks just because they have something smart to say that it'll be all over. That's about the 5th member of BrokerOutpost that have posted a message here and still no answer for the following questions. 1. If the owner of BrokerOutpost.com knew the lead provider that was selling bogus leads was registered and operated under his server, then why didn't he just shut down the lead provider's website - instead he continued to host the URL online? 2. Why can't the owner of BrokerOutpost rebut all these complaints himself? 3. TY Tom Desular - What is really your position at BrokerOutpost and why are you so defensive about my complaint against BrokerOutpost (Are you paid by salary)? ****ANSWERED ALREADY***** 4. TY Tom Desular - Why did you cheered on the lead provider that ripped-off a bunch of BrokerOutpost members and praised his products if you have never purchased leads from him; then now that these customers are looking for him you are pretending like you are on a hunt for him as well? 5. TY Tom Desular - How could you criticize my leads if you have never purchased from me? *****ANSWERED ALREADY******** 6. TY Tom Desular - At least name a few - from BrokerOutpost that purchased leads from me that I've ripped-off? Steve, nice try but the readers and myself are looking for facts not tales. BTW, were you one of the members that got ripped by the lead provider that Tom was cheering on 2 months ago? I'm pretty sure NOT. I know a veteran in the Outpost that got ripped-off for $7,000 and I know he AIN'T happy about it. Have you been ripped-off before Steve? Here's a better question, have you ever paid money on any advertising? Thanks for your input and come back with facts next time you stop by. Looking forward to seeing another BO member to comment in here and hopefully the next one can answer my questions. I'm sure the readers would love to see what the owner of BO would have to say as well.

I go to brokeroutpost most every day. I am not a paying member. I also reado ripoffreport.com for entertainment about the mortgage business. The active members know me as Coronasteve. You can view my posts anytime. You can judge what I am about. Give it a rest you guys. All of youse. We all know know that broker outpost is an outstanding service for its members. I post advice, receive advice, swap a few stories. All in all it is a very pro mortgage business oriented site. Frankly, it is pretty juvenile that everybody is pizzing in the other's cocktail regarding site. I don't give a rat's azz who is right or wrong. I guarantee you that Secret would just shake his head, frown, and not even bother to add his $.05 because this pizzing contest is beneath appropriate comment. I'm out.

Thank you for your input Cheryl Cheryl, I do appreciate your input and thank you for being so kind by the way you answered everything. Yes, I understand that BrokerOutpost has done a lot of support and help to LOs and Lenders. However, that company and another person has said a lot of things about me that weren't true in that site. As you can see, the posted forums in that site are being exposed on the internet so I wouldn't want others to get the wrong idea about my service. BTW, I already have the answer regarding the Premium Member part of BrokerOutpost. That I completely understand already. However, my major issue with that site was the bad mouthing about the quality of my product. I am currently involved in a forum that brings me a lot of traffic (FYI, its called Mortgage Broker Land Forum) and I can careless about the Outpost. All I want is for a certain individual to come clean with the accusations that was said about my company. In that case, the question remains and once again Cheryl.. I do appreciate your message and the professionalism but there is some cleaning that needs to be resolved. 1. If the owner of BrokerOutpost.com knew the lead provider that was selling bogus leads was registered and operated under his server, then why didn't he just shut down the lead provider's website - instead he continued to host the URL online? 2. Why can't the owner of BrokerOutpost rebut all these complaints himself? 3. TY Tom Desular - What is really your position at BrokerOutpost and why are you so defensive about my complaint against BrokerOutpost (Are you paid by salary)? ****ANSWERED ALREADY***** 4. TY Tom Desular - Why did you cheered on the lead provider that ripped-off a bunch of BrokerOutpost members and praised his products if you have never purchased leads from him; then now that these customers are looking for him you are pretending like you are on a hunt for him as well? 5. TY Tom Desular - How could you criticize my leads if you have never purchased from me? *****ANSWERED ALREADY******** 6. TY Tom Desular - At least name a few - from BrokerOutpost that purchased leads from me that I've ripped-off? TY Tom, you've answered question #3 and #5 already, but after going through this entire report I still want to know the answer on #4 and #6. Also, as I count away the number of post in this report neither one has a message from Darin Ferraro. TY Darin, I know you are reading this report. It is in your face and how could you let your members defend you? You are the CEO of BrokerOutpost and you can't even fess-up to answer question #1. That's one question to answer but instead you would rather play possum. Let me have my last words in this report and this will stop. TY Tom, I know you like to be the person with the last words. That's how you've always been even in BO and Mortgage Broker Land Forum (which you personally attacked me 2 minutes after joining it). Well, answer question #4 and #6 then the last words are yours. If your post is otherwise then this will continue. I'm sure the readers of this report would love to hear your answer for #4 and #6. Also, I'm sure they would love to see what the CEO of Brokeroutpost have to say after all these complaints and rants. Editors of RipoffReport - Thank you for keeping this report posted. The last time I was in a forum and wanted to express my thoughts and my disagreements - my message was deleted. As you can see, everyone from BO seems to come in here and defend the owner but for some apparent reason the owner can't come and fess-up himself. I'm sure Tom has already forwarded this link to Darin and I know he (Darin) has seen this report numerous times but yet he would rather have his members back him. Better yet, he is probably checking on this report everyday to see what is being said about his site. Well, I'm sure hiding behind his members is not good enough for some of the readers of this post. Thanks for reading...

Carlo: We have answered all the questions. But you keep asking them again and again. We dont mind. Keep asking. Readers: Broker Outpost is a great place for every level of broker or loan officer. The site is free and no you dont have to join the premium side. But many of us do. Its a whoppin $10 bucks per month , pay as you go ,-cancel anytime - for access to a free website. We can provide templates, training , and how to link pages all to drive customers to your site. Domain name is something like 10 bucks a year. Hosting costs 3.99 per month. Thats it. Whoopie........ does that sound like a 'ripoff ' to you? If you dont want a website, stay on the free side, where you have access to 1000s of experienced loan officers who can answer your questions. Network with many experienced professionals. Get your name on our list of brokers per state -that gets published on the web. Have a borrower but no lender? Run it thru the prequal dispatch to get your borrower the best terms. you can shop your borrower to find deals you didnt know existed. Have a scenerio u dont know what to do? No problem, post it up in the members area. We will be glad to give you our advise. All of this is free. Go check it out at brokeroutpost dot com and see for yourself that Carlo is not telling the truth. cheers

Carlo: We have answered all the questions. But you keep asking them again and again. We dont mind. Keep asking. Readers: Broker Outpost is a great place for every level of broker or loan officer. The site is free and no you dont have to join the premium side. But many of us do. Its a whoppin $10 bucks per month , pay as you go ,-cancel anytime - for access to a free website. We can provide templates, training , and how to link pages all to drive customers to your site. Domain name is something like 10 bucks a year. Hosting costs 3.99 per month. Thats it. Whoopie........ does that sound like a 'ripoff ' to you? If you dont want a website, stay on the free side, where you have access to 1000s of experienced loan officers who can answer your questions. Network with many experienced professionals. Get your name on our list of brokers per state -that gets published on the web. Have a borrower but no lender? Run it thru the prequal dispatch to get your borrower the best terms. you can shop your borrower to find deals you didnt know existed. Have a scenerio u dont know what to do? No problem, post it up in the members area. We will be glad to give you our advise. All of this is free. Go check it out at brokeroutpost dot com and see for yourself that Carlo is not telling the truth. cheers

Carlo: We have answered all the questions. But you keep asking them again and again. We dont mind. Keep asking. Readers: Broker Outpost is a great place for every level of broker or loan officer. The site is free and no you dont have to join the premium side. But many of us do. Its a whoppin $10 bucks per month , pay as you go ,-cancel anytime - for access to a free website. We can provide templates, training , and how to link pages all to drive customers to your site. Domain name is something like 10 bucks a year. Hosting costs 3.99 per month. Thats it. Whoopie........ does that sound like a 'ripoff ' to you? If you dont want a website, stay on the free side, where you have access to 1000s of experienced loan officers who can answer your questions. Network with many experienced professionals. Get your name on our list of brokers per state -that gets published on the web. Have a borrower but no lender? Run it thru the prequal dispatch to get your borrower the best terms. you can shop your borrower to find deals you didnt know existed. Have a scenerio u dont know what to do? No problem, post it up in the members area. We will be glad to give you our advise. All of this is free. Go check it out at brokeroutpost dot com and see for yourself that Carlo is not telling the truth. cheers

Carlo: We have answered all the questions. But you keep asking them again and again. We dont mind. Keep asking. Readers: Broker Outpost is a great place for every level of broker or loan officer. The site is free and no you dont have to join the premium side. But many of us do. Its a whoppin $10 bucks per month , pay as you go ,-cancel anytime - for access to a free website. We can provide templates, training , and how to link pages all to drive customers to your site. Domain name is something like 10 bucks a year. Hosting costs 3.99 per month. Thats it. Whoopie........ does that sound like a 'ripoff ' to you? If you dont want a website, stay on the free side, where you have access to 1000s of experienced loan officers who can answer your questions. Network with many experienced professionals. Get your name on our list of brokers per state -that gets published on the web. Have a borrower but no lender? Run it thru the prequal dispatch to get your borrower the best terms. you can shop your borrower to find deals you didnt know existed. Have a scenerio u dont know what to do? No problem, post it up in the members area. We will be glad to give you our advise. All of this is free. Go check it out at brokeroutpost dot com and see for yourself that Carlo is not telling the truth. cheers

I apologize, but I forgot to add one more thing. For those of us who have gotten a little defensive about the attacks on brokeroutpost.com, you understand what the actual purpose is of this site and have gained something from being a member of this site. I have not bought the upgraded version, but I have checked it out with my buddies who did buy the upgraded version and we were all quite impressed with what we saw. They brag about the benefits all the time and encourage me to upgrade as well. Although I have yet to do that, the thought has crossed my mind on several occasions and it would be a worth while investment. We aren't getting paid directly from the website, as you so acuse Tom, but we are getting paid. By closing that one more loan or buying the leads from one of the good lead companies, we are making more money a month...which will help immensly when the market slows down to a crawl. We're networking and growing roots with other people so when the market slumps and companies shut down all over the US, the brokers and lenders that utilize this site will remain doing the loans that nobody else can do. We're making each other sucessful as well as making ourselves sucessful. Personally I would like to stick around for twenty or thirty years and the only way to do that is branch out and get help. Again, this is not a personal attack against you...it is merely one brokers opinion

I understand your malcontent for brokeroutpost.com, and I am not saying a thing in reference to that. You make very valid points. In a way, you do have a right to be upset with that particular site. However, nobody is holding a gun to anybody's head to become a premium member and nobody is scaming anybody when it comes to this site. This site is a reference, kinda like lenderlab.com for brokers to find out who does a particular scenerio and for lenders to get the word out on new and upcoming products as well as their company. Nobody is forced to buy anything. It's a chance for brokers, loan officers, processors, and underwriters to help each other out with various aspects of our field including leads. There are so many lead companies out there that its hard to distinguish which are good leads and which have been resold several hundreds of times. The sheer fact of it is that you get what you pay for. The cheaper companies that brag how their leads are exclusive and are cheap are most likely the same companies that either 1. got their leads by spamming other sites, 2. have older leads from people that were either rate shopping or have already refinanced or 3. bought leads from other lead companies that have not had any sucess with those leads and are trying to recoup some money. I've dealt with hundreds of lead companies and called thousands upon thousands of leads and when I have a bad experiance with a particular lead company, I let all my broker buddies know. Tom or Darin may not have bought leads themselves, but all those brokers and lenders on that site have and people are bound to talk who is a good lead company and who is not. Personally, I want to know who to avoid, when trying out new companies, so I don't go spending thousands of dollars on leads and find out that I've either already called those leads or they have a poor turn around. Back onto Tom and Darin, okay so they haven't called leads...big whoopty doo! They may be managers or owners of a mortgage company or maybe have a executive position above manager and are not responsible for ordering leads or calling them for that fact. I don't care who you are, it doesn't give you any sort of right to make a personal attack on anybody. I know that you are highly upset with them, but if you read the disclosures when you signed up it says that the site is not for personal comments-like a chat room-but a tool for reference. Nobody does personal attacks directly towards a individual but pretty much talks about their experiance with companies and who will get things done. Wholesale mortgage companies are mention a whole bunch because that is our trade. It is our job to find out who does a particular and get it done in order to close more loans each year. I'll admit, I've been a licensed loan officer for two and a half years and my boss has been in the business since 1976...but he and I are still learning. Its not possible to ever know everything because laws are constantly changing, companies go bankrupt, guidelines and programs become altered in order to support the ever changing market. I openly admit, I go to classes to strengthen me as a loan officer so I know what to expect. Other mortgage companies, wholesale lenders, title companies, and real estate attorneys hold classes to further your knowledge in certain fields and get you prepared for those crazy situations that everyone always talks about. No two states are alike when it comes to loans so it helps a great bunch to find classes like this on broker used and broker approved sites. Yes and they do ask for a upgrade in membership every now and again, but its to keep the site running. As for them kicking you off their site, well I do sympathize<(probably not spelled correctly)but there's a saying, "Don't bite the hand that feeds you." They started the site as a tool for other people in our industry and it was not and will not be used as a way to criticize a particular individual reguardless if they run or manage the site. That's like me complaining about a particular individual at a certain company because they did horrible work. First off that's slander and libel and can be upheld in a court of law, reguardless if its factual or not and in most cases its just a opinion. I learned that senior year in high school and most people don't realize by doing this, they are only putting themselves in a postion to get sued and/or lose their license in that particular field. I've not once got a unsolicited email as a part of brokeroutpost.com and since the laws have changed about email solicitations won't get one ever. It is now illegal to email any kind of solicitations to anybody unless previously approved with the person directly...and in most if not all cases a written disclosure must be signed in order to comply with the laws. As for HUD, RESPA, and the Department of Banking for each state, all these orginizations know about this site and the site is in compliance with all state and federal laws...other wise they would already have been shut down. Its just like lenderlab.com except lenderlab requires a memebership fee. They are both extremely helpful to find out who does what program, finding attornies, appraisers, inspectors, etc. in a area and overall helping us get our jobs done. My last comment is on the whole power trip thing. Give it a rest. The man is just trying to promote his software and the site.. If you've ever taken a look at his software, its pretty good stuff and not many people can compete with that program. All the companies directly linked with that site as well as their softeware and evrything else kicks back to that site. Its a great quality site that helps out people all over the country. Granted yeah, you don't see the rewards because your a lead company but it gets one more impossible loan done or helps one more person out of foreclosure and for some of us, thats what counts. Its made up of LICENSED Loan Officers, Companies, Lenders, etc. who have worked out butts off to get this far and refuse to slow down because we want to make the million or more dollars a year like the top producers in the country. When you ask for advice about sucess, are you going to ask the guy who makes just the same as you or are you going as the guy who makes 2.5 million dollars a year? Please do not take this as a personal attack, it is not and was not written with that intention. I know you have your reasons, but its not right to downtalk a site that so many people actively and sucessfully use for help and advice.

Barry, I'd like to thank you for your input. Anyhow, this is not about my company. This is about BrokerOutpost. Yes, my membership has lapsed from the Better Business Bureau but at least I'm not hiding it. Customers can still contact the BBB regarding my company. Nice one regarding the Verisign logo (Prove it). GetLeads Network scam artist? (Prove it). Anyhow, you are entitled to your own opinion, Barry, but the question remains. Thank you for commenting on my company and correcting my sentence structure. I will work on that and I will make sure the next post in an improvement. Anyhow, the questions remains. The comment made about me still doesn't answer #1, #2, #4, #5 and #6. Rip Off!!! 1. If the owner of BrokerOutpost.com knew the lead provider that was selling bogus leads was registered and operated under his server, then why didn't he just shut down the lead provider's website - instead he continued to host the URL online? 2. Why can't the owner of BrokerOutpost rebut all these complaints himself? 3. TY Tom Desular - What is really your position at BrokerOutpost and why are you so defensive about my complaint against BrokerOutpost (Are you paid by salary)? ****ANSWERED ALREADY***** 4. TY Tom Desular - Why did you cheered on the lead provider that ripped-off a bunch of BrokerOutpost members and praised his products if you have never purchased leads from him; then now that these customers are looking for him you are pretending like you are on a hunt for him as well? 5. TY Tom Desular - How could you criticize my leads if you have never purchased from me? 6. TY Tom Desular - At least name a few - from BrokerOutpost that purchased leads from me that I've ripped-off? I will not STOP posting until I get all 6 questions completed. You can say whatever you want about my company and the accusations (w/out proof) you put forth against me but there's obviously a case that needs to be resolved here. Barry, BTW, it's easy for you to scream and bully me around (considering the fact that you are a new member of BO) b/c you weren't one of the guys that got screwed by the lead provider that Darin Ferraro was hosting under his server. Try meeting some of these folks - I've talked to a few of them and YES, they're not happy. Read the posted forum below. CLICK here to see why Rip-off Report, as a matter of policy, deleted either a phone number, link or e-mail address from this Report. Thanks for reading. Thanks, GetLeads Network Inc. CEO, San Diego-CA

1. If the owner of BrokerOutpost.com knew the lead provider that was selling bogus leads was registered and operated under his server, then why didn't he just shut down the lead provider's website - instead he continued to host the URL online? 2. Why can't the owner of BrokerOutpost rebut all these complaints himself? 3. TY Tom Desular - What is really your position at BrokerOutpost and why are you so defensive about my complaint against BrokerOutpost (Are you paid by salary)? ****ANSWERED ALREADY***** 4. TY Tom Desular - Why did you cheered on the lead provider that ripped-off a bunch of BrokerOutpost members and praised his products if you have never purchased leads from him; then now that these customers are looking for him you are pretending like you are on a hunt for him as well? 5. TY Tom Desular - How could you criticize my leads if you have never purchased from me? 6. TY Tom Desular - At least name a few - from BrokerOutpost that purchased leads from me that I've ripped-off?

1. If the owner of BrokerOutpost.com knew the lead provider that was selling bogus leads was registered and operated under his server, then why didn't he just shut down the lead provider's website - instead he continued to host the URL online? 2. Why can't the owner of BrokerOutpost rebut all these complaints himself? 3. TY Tom Desular - What is really your position at BrokerOutpost and why are you so defensive about my complaint against BrokerOutpost (Are you paid by salary)? ****ANSWERED ALREADY***** 4. TY Tom Desular - Why did you cheered on the lead provider that ripped-off a bunch of BrokerOutpost members and praised his products if you have never purchased leads from him; then now that these customers are looking for him you are pretending like you are on a hunt for him as well? 5. TY Tom Desular - How could you criticize my leads if you have never purchased from me? 6. TY Tom Desular - At least name a few - from BrokerOutpost that purchased leads from me that I've ripped-off?

1. If the owner of BrokerOutpost.com knew the lead provider that was selling bogus leads was registered and operated under his server, then why didn't he just shut down the lead provider's website - instead he continued to host the URL online? 2. Why can't the owner of BrokerOutpost rebut all these complaints himself? 3. TY Tom Desular - What is really your position at BrokerOutpost and why are you so defensive about my complaint against BrokerOutpost (Are you paid by salary)? ****ANSWERED ALREADY***** 4. TY Tom Desular - Why did you cheered on the lead provider that ripped-off a bunch of BrokerOutpost members and praised his products if you have never purchased leads from him; then now that these customers are looking for him you are pretending like you are on a hunt for him as well? 5. TY Tom Desular - How could you criticize my leads if you have never purchased from me? 6. TY Tom Desular - At least name a few - from BrokerOutpost that purchased leads from me that I've ripped-off?

1. If the owner of BrokerOutpost.com knew the lead provider that was selling bogus leads was registered and operated under his server, then why didn't he just shut down the lead provider's website - instead he continued to host the URL online? 2. Why can't the owner of BrokerOutpost rebut all these complaints himself? 3. TY Tom Desular - What is really your position at BrokerOutpost and why are you so defensive about my complaint against BrokerOutpost (Are you paid by salary)? ****ANSWERED ALREADY***** 4. TY Tom Desular - Why did you cheered on the lead provider that ripped-off a bunch of BrokerOutpost members and praised his products if you have never purchased leads from him; then now that these customers are looking for him you are pretending like you are on a hunt for him as well? 5. TY Tom Desular - How could you criticize my leads if you have never purchased from me? 6. TY Tom Desular - At least name a few - from BrokerOutpost that purchased leads from me that I've ripped-off?

Carlo. . . I'm a brand new member, who is also a Premium member of the BrokerOutpost. I take all comments with a grain of salt, but your's I've taken with a pound. You certainly seem to be upset with the Outpost. Your comments to Tom about his use of grammer and punctuation are laughable. Look to your own use of the English language first. Your sentence structure, in some cases, looks like it was written by an illiterate. But, that's not the purpose of my post to this thread. I haven't been a member of the Outpost long enough to know whether your accusations are true or not, but I did do a bit of research on you and your company. Your use of the BBB (Better Business Bureau) logo is fraudulent. Your membership has lapsed for some reason. Also, the site that you send people to fill out loan appse ,mortgageloanhunter.com (which is also registered to you) has an UNSECURE web form for them to fill out. And you illegally and unethically display the Verisign logo, to lull them into feeling that their info is secure. What a scam artist. It's people like you who give the mortgage business a bad name. BTW, I signed up for the Premium membership, not because I felt any pressure, but because it looked like a VERY INEXPENSIVE way to increase my business.

BrokerOutpost Members, Thank you for your respone and I appreciate the professionalism. However, Tom has answered questioned #3 but the remaining is still a curiousity. The owner states that it is not worth ranting for but it's his company that has been placed a complaint to. BTW, there were a few members in BrokerOutpost that officially got ripped-off by a lead provider that was hosted in Darin Ferraro's server. To the commenting BrokerOutpost Members, I know you can't answer this question but why hasn't Darin Ferraro explained question #1 yet? You folks can defend him all day and night but this question can only be answered by the owner of BrokerOutpost himself. As for Tom, thank you for explaining question #3, now, kindly explain yourself on question #4. I'm sure the readers of this complaint would love to see what you have to say about that. 1. If the owner of BrokerOutpost.com knew the lead provider that was selling bogus leads was registered and operated under his server, then why didn't he just shut down the lead provider's website - instead he continued to host the URL online? 2. Why can't the owner of BrokerOutpost rebut all these complaints himself? 3. TY Tom Desular - What is really your position at BrokerOutpost and why are you so defensive about my complaint against BrokerOutpost (Are you paid by salary)? ****ANSWERED ALREADY***** 4. TY Tom Desular - Why did you cheered on the lead provider that ripped-off a bunch of BrokerOutpost members and praised his products if you have never purchased leads from him; then now that these customers are looking for him you are pretending like you are on a hunt for him as well? 5. TY Tom Desular - How could you criticize my leads if you have never purchased from me? 6. TY Tom Desular - At least name a few - from BrokerOutpost that purchased leads from me that I've ripped-off? Thank you for reading and as you can see everyone is deviating away from the important questions above. The owner of the company won't respond to the complaint and I'm sure he's seen this post and still refuses to comment 'not even a single message' to explain himself. Readers, put yourself as an owner of a company... If you received a complaint againt your entity, what would you do as soon as you hear about the discrepancy? Thanks, GetLeads Network Inc. CEO, San Diego-CA

Dear Readers, I am a current member of the BrokerOutpost.com and I am also a paid member of the Premium service offered through BrokerOutpost.com. I am probably also one of the veteran members that Carlo has referred to in this complaint. What Carlo has not described is what the Premium service is, and why other members are pressuring people to join. The FREE side of BrokerOutpost.com is a forum for mortgage professionals, lenders and service providers to our industry to share ideas and learn. Members do help members on everything from suggestions for difficult deals to ideas for marketing. The Premium service contains two parts, a Premium member forum and a tool to help members build content rich websites. The purpose of the premium service is to help its members build websites that will generate traffic to their site. That is the only thing that is being offered. The expected result is that the increased traffic to each member's site will help to generate leads for that mortgage broker. The Premium member Forum is intended to be a place where premium members can share ideas and get help with those tools. The more members that participate in the Premium service, the more the tools and the system works. This is the reason we continue to invite members of the FREE area of BrokerOutpost.com. The fee is minimal for the service; some of the premium members are already getting leads, which is above and beyond anyone's expectation in such a short period of time. The owner of the site has spent his own time, used his own extensive knowledge, expertise, and experience to develop a new piece of Internet based technology. He is entitled to try and profit from his invention. Just as you Carlo are entitled to try and profit from the service you provide. As others have pointed out in this thread, I fail to see how you have been ripped off. You were banned from a privately owned free site. If you are trying to warn consumers, of what is your opinion of suspicious activity on that site, you are not relating well to who those consumers are, other mortgage brokers. The Premium Service offered on BrokerOutpost.com is intended solely for Mortgage Brokers. You as a Service Provider, or lead provider, would not have been pressured to join the Premium Membership for $10, because it would not help you in any way. You may have a legitimate gripe, and warning for other mortgage professionals to be cautious when considering joining the premium membership, but you have not presented that in this report, nor have you been ripped off in any business transaction. You are also being contradictory, because as another response noted, most leads these days are watered down, so mortgage professionals should be cautious about any leads they invest in, provided by you or any other source. You also claim that the owner of the site is in the lead generation business himself and that he banned you from the site for competing with that business. This is not true; the owner of the site is a mortgage broker, not a lead provider. His Premium Member service is not a Lead Provider service, but a website development service.

Carlo. You are right about one thing. I have said my piece here. The owner of the site is a grown man, and he can answer for himself. Obviously as you can see, he doesnt consider your ranting to be a legitimate complaint. Or he would. The 2 people who have replied besides yourself and I have also said it all. They see no complaint here either. You are nothing to me Carlo. I dont know you, nor is this really about me at all. Its about you hating the owner of the site. I could care less about you. I dont work for broker outpost nor does it matter to me if u sell your (lol) 'leads' or not. I aint gonna buy em. I have had a deep debt of graditude for Broker outpost . I have learned so much there i cant begin to explain. And it didnt cost me a dime. No Carlo -no matter how you rant and rave, the owner isnt gonna come on here. You mean that little to him.

I'm not sure what the Caley D versus Cary D is???

I'm not sure what the Caley D versus Cary D is???

I'm not sure what the Caley D versus Cary D is???

I'm not sure what the Caley D versus Cary D is???

Nothing heard from the owner and the question still remains. 1. If the owner of BrokerOutpost.com knew the lead provider that was selling bogus leads was registered and operated under his server, then why didn't he just shut down the lead provider's website - instead he continued to host the URL online? 2. Why can't the owner of BrokerOutpost rebut all these complaints himself? 3. TY Tom Desular - What is really your position at BrokerOutpost and why are you so defensive about my complaint against BrokerOutpost (Are you paid by salary)? 4. TY Tom Desular - Why did you cheered on the lead provider that ripped-off a bunch of BrokerOutpost members and praised his products if you have never purchased leads from him; then now that these customers are looking for him you are pretending like you are on a hunt for him as well? 5. TY Tom Desular - How could you criticize my leads if you have never purchased from me? 6. TY Tom Desular - At least name a few - from BrokerOutpost that purchased leads from me that I've ripped-off? Yes, I was a loan officer in the past - most lead brokers were. If you type GetLeads Network in Google or Yahoo!.. you will notice some websites that are mortgage loan related in-which are driven to GetLeads Network. How come? These are websites that I created for my clients (its a part of our package that we offer when they purchase leads). If you notice all the 888-toll free extensions are different b/c these were the assigned extensions for my clients the borrowers to call-in. Once again, accusations from Tom Desular and NO RESPONSE from the owner of BrokerOutpost.

Cary D. Thank you for your response and I do appreciate your honesty. I understand that you don't have any experience with my service and thats why you don't have much to comment - I appreciate your opinion of kindness. Well, the same goes with me as being a Premium Member on BrokerOutpost. I have never paid to become a Premium Member so I can't say much about it and I'm sure it works wonders for the paid members. Hands down to Darin Ferraro's creation and great skills in the IT field. Anyhow, his credititials on his conduct and his business social ethics is rather lacking. Not to forget, some of his business decisions are quite impulsive and malicious. He had veterans in BrokerOutpost that personally attacked new members b/c they weren't in the same page that is sequential to the owner's motives - that is to sell the Premium Membership and to praise Darin like he's God. So in-turn, Darin banned the ones that he couldn't control like puppets. I don't mean to repeat this question, Cary D., but you and I know that there was a lead provider in BrokerOutpost.com that sold bogus leads. One veteran member of that site was lured into purchasing a lead service (invested $7,000) from the site's favored lead provider. Now, for some apparent reason this guy is missing and owes a bunch of $$$ to BrokerOutpost members. Cary, I know you can vouch for me on this and I'm sure you have seen these complaints in the forum (even in other forums). So, the question remains unanswered. 1. To Darin Ferraro, if the owner of BrokerOutpost.com knew the lead provider that was selling bogus leads was registered and operated under his server, then why didn't he just shut down the lead provider's website - instead he continued to host the URL online? 2. TY Tom Desular - What is really your position at BrokerOutpost and why are you so defensive about my complaint against BrokerOutpost (Are you paid by salary)? 3. TY Tom Desular - Why did you cheered on the lead provider that ripped-off a bunch of BrokerOutpost members and praised his products if you have never purchased leads from him; then now that these customers are looking for him you are pretending like you are on a hunt for him as well? 4. TY Tom Desular - How could you criticize my leads if you have never purchased from me? 5. TY Tom Desular - At least name a few - from BrokerOutpost that purchased leads from me that I've ripped-off? I bet you can't name any because all of the individuals that purchased my Live Transfers are very satisfied. All 4 clients I got from BrokerOutpost are happy. Five simple questions, and that's it. Answer all of these and I will stop the madness. Cary, you are veteran at BrokerOutpost, right? I know you've seen it with your own two eyes why I'm asking question #3. Let me refresh your memory - between November 15, 2005 to approximately December 20, 2005. BTW, I saw a few post in BrokerOutpost that gave my company a good review and for some apparent reason... they were erased. Why? Because Darin doesn't like to be proven wrong and to look silly. Not to forget, Caley D., I know you are a very smart individual just by reading your post. I also noticed that you don't seem to have any problem with spelling. I'm sure you also know which posts were written by me and the other party (or else you wouldn't be responding back to me). But Caley D., what is the difference between Caley D. and Cary D.? That is right! The spelling. I think I've only read your post once and I already know how to spell your name correctly just by a glance at your signature. In that case, I will call you by your right name. I'm sure it was a mistake on your part. But, how could one person mis-spell a contact person's name after they've seen the correct spelling of the contactee's name numerous times on their signature? This is not a comment towards you Caley D. - ooooppsss... correction - Cary D.! There's a guy that does that... I'm not sure if he is playing ignorant or its just his IQ is so low that he just can't figure it out? That just tells you how uneducated one person could be. I remember learning that in 9th grade in reading comprehension class and in my first year in college in Introduction to Business class. Very basic. Thanks for reading and I would love to see those 5 simple questions answered. Readers of this post, you will thank me for all of these due dilliegence in the future.

Dear Readers.

I have spoken at length with the owner of Broker Outpost. He has read this thread in its entirety and has concluded there is no complaint to reply to.

I myself am aghast at the length that people will goto to smear others . We had no intention of hanging out Carlos' dirty laundry, but one of our members stumbled upon this spite thread that had been sitting up here for weeks.

Carlos makes all of this about him and his 'leads'. He was not ripped off , as he never bought anything . He was given courtesy to become a member of the outpost for free. He addressed himself as a 'lead provider' even though he is actually a mortgage agent with extra 'dubious' phone numbers of homeowners he could not fund.

Regardless of whether he 'claims' glowing reviews of his leads, the facts are that he had none of that at broker outpost and his antics and anger issues with anyone who dared challenge his credibility resulted in his expulsion from the site.

The owner posts all the rules of the outpost at the top of each forum, and number one on the list is the owner has the right to cancel your free membership at any time without notice.

To think you can call a free membership at private website a RIPOFF when cancelled is ridiculous.

The owner obviously wont cancel your membership unless he feels you are tarnishing his site. Seems reasonable to me.

If anyone has any further questions -feel free to visit Broker Outpost and see what a good thing we have going there.

As far as Carlos goes, he can rant and rant on here all he wants, but i have contacted ripoff report to advise them that complaints should at least be a real ripoff with a transaction involved.

Not just a personal vendetta using the ripoff report forum to smear someone for free.

Dear Readers.

I have spoken at length with the owner of Broker Outpost. He has read this thread in its entirety and has concluded there is no complaint to reply to.

I myself am aghast at the length that people will goto to smear others . We had no intention of hanging out Carlos' dirty laundry, but one of our members stumbled upon this spite thread that had been sitting up here for weeks.

Carlos makes all of this about him and his 'leads'. He was not ripped off , as he never bought anything . He was given courtesy to become a member of the outpost for free. He addressed himself as a 'lead provider' even though he is actually a mortgage agent with extra 'dubious' phone numbers of homeowners he could not fund.

Regardless of whether he 'claims' glowing reviews of his leads, the facts are that he had none of that at broker outpost and his antics and anger issues with anyone who dared challenge his credibility resulted in his expulsion from the site.

The owner posts all the rules of the outpost at the top of each forum, and number one on the list is the owner has the right to cancel your free membership at any time without notice.

To think you can call a free membership at private website a RIPOFF when cancelled is ridiculous.

The owner obviously wont cancel your membership unless he feels you are tarnishing his site. Seems reasonable to me.

If anyone has any further questions -feel free to visit Broker Outpost and see what a good thing we have going there.

As far as Carlos goes, he can rant and rant on here all he wants, but i have contacted ripoff report to advise them that complaints should at least be a real ripoff with a transaction involved.

Not just a personal vendetta using the ripoff report forum to smear someone for free.

Dear Readers.

I have spoken at length with the owner of Broker Outpost. He has read this thread in its entirety and has concluded there is no complaint to reply to.

I myself am aghast at the length that people will goto to smear others . We had no intention of hanging out Carlos' dirty laundry, but one of our members stumbled upon this spite thread that had been sitting up here for weeks.

Carlos makes all of this about him and his 'leads'. He was not ripped off , as he never bought anything . He was given courtesy to become a member of the outpost for free. He addressed himself as a 'lead provider' even though he is actually a mortgage agent with extra 'dubious' phone numbers of homeowners he could not fund.

Regardless of whether he 'claims' glowing reviews of his leads, the facts are that he had none of that at broker outpost and his antics and anger issues with anyone who dared challenge his credibility resulted in his expulsion from the site.

The owner posts all the rules of the outpost at the top of each forum, and number one on the list is the owner has the right to cancel your free membership at any time without notice.

To think you can call a free membership at private website a RIPOFF when cancelled is ridiculous.

The owner obviously wont cancel your membership unless he feels you are tarnishing his site. Seems reasonable to me.

If anyone has any further questions -feel free to visit Broker Outpost and see what a good thing we have going there.

As far as Carlos goes, he can rant and rant on here all he wants, but i have contacted ripoff report to advise them that complaints should at least be a real ripoff with a transaction involved.

Not just a personal vendetta using the ripoff report forum to smear someone for free.

Dear Readers.

I have spoken at length with the owner of Broker Outpost. He has read this thread in its entirety and has concluded there is no complaint to reply to.

I myself am aghast at the length that people will goto to smear others . We had no intention of hanging out Carlos' dirty laundry, but one of our members stumbled upon this spite thread that had been sitting up here for weeks.

Carlos makes all of this about him and his 'leads'. He was not ripped off , as he never bought anything . He was given courtesy to become a member of the outpost for free. He addressed himself as a 'lead provider' even though he is actually a mortgage agent with extra 'dubious' phone numbers of homeowners he could not fund.

Regardless of whether he 'claims' glowing reviews of his leads, the facts are that he had none of that at broker outpost and his antics and anger issues with anyone who dared challenge his credibility resulted in his expulsion from the site.

The owner posts all the rules of the outpost at the top of each forum, and number one on the list is the owner has the right to cancel your free membership at any time without notice.

To think you can call a free membership at private website a RIPOFF when cancelled is ridiculous.

The owner obviously wont cancel your membership unless he feels you are tarnishing his site. Seems reasonable to me.

If anyone has any further questions -feel free to visit Broker Outpost and see what a good thing we have going there.

As far as Carlos goes, he can rant and rant on here all he wants, but i have contacted ripoff report to advise them that complaints should at least be a real ripoff with a transaction involved.

Not just a personal vendetta using the ripoff report forum to smear someone for free.

Cary D. Thank you for your response and I do appreciate your honesty. I understand that you don't have any experience with my service and thats why you don't have much to comment - I appreciate your opinion of kindness. Well, the same goes with me as being a Premium Member on BrokerOutpost. I have never paid to become a Premium Member so I can't say much about it and I'm sure it works wonders for the paid members. Hands down to Darin Ferraro's creation and great skills in the IT field. Anyhow, his credititials on his conduct and his business social ethics is rather lacking. Not to forget, some of his business decisions are quite impulsive and malicious. He had veterans in BrokerOutpost that personally attacked new members b/c they weren't in the same page that is sequential to the owner's motives - that is to sell the Premium Membership and to praise Darin like he's God. So in-turn, Darin banned the ones that he couldn't control like puppets. I don't mean to repeat this question, Cary D., but you and I know that there was a lead provider in BrokerOutpost.com that sold bogus leads. One veteran member of that site was lured into purchasing a lead service (invested $7,000) from the site's favored lead provider. Now, for some apparent reason this guy is missing and owes a bunch of $$$ to BrokerOutpost members. Cary, I know you can vouch for me on this and I'm sure you have seen these complaints in the forum (even in other forums). So, the question remains unanswered. 1. To Darin Ferraro, if the owner of BrokerOutpost.com knew the lead provider that was selling bogus leads was registered and operated under his server, then why didn't he just shut down the lead provider's website - instead he continued to host the URL online? 2. TY Tom Desular - What is really your position at BrokerOutpost and why are you so defensive about my complaint against BrokerOutpost (Are you paid by salary)? 3. TY Tom Desular - Why did you cheered on the lead provider that ripped-off a bunch of BrokerOutpost members and praised his products if you have never purchased leads from him; then now that these customers are looking for him you are pretending like you are on a hunt for him as well? 4. TY Tom Desular - How could you criticize my leads if you have never purchased from me? 5. TY Tom Desular - At least name a few - from BrokerOutpost that purchased leads from me that I've ripped-off? I bet you can't name any because all of the individuals that purchased my Live Transfers are very satisfied. All 4 clients I got from BrokerOutpost are happy. Five simple questions, and that's it. Answer all of these and I will stop the madness. Cary, you are veteran at BrokerOutpost, right? I know you've seen it with your own two eyes why I'm asking question #3. Let me refresh your memory - between November 15, 2005 to approximately December 20, 2005. BTW, I saw a few post in BrokerOutpost that gave my company a good review and for some apparent reason... they were erased. Why? Because Darin doesn't like to be proven wrong and to look silly. Not to forget, Caley D., I know you are a very smart individual just by reading your post. I also noticed that you don't seem to have any problem with spelling. I'm sure you also know which posts were written by me and the other party (or else you wouldn't be responding back to me). But Caley D., what is the difference between Caley D. and Cary D.? That is right! The spelling. I think I've only read your post once and I already know how to spell your name correctly just by a glance at your signature. In that case, I will call you by your right name. I'm sure it was a mistake on your part. But, how could one person mis-spell a contact person's name after they've seen the correct spelling of the contactee's name numerous times on their signature? This is not a comment towards you Caley D. - ooooppsss... correction - Cary D.! There's a guy that does that... I'm not sure if he is playing ignorant or its just his IQ is so low that he just can't figure it out? That just tells you how uneducated one person could be. I remember learning that in 9th grade in reading comprehension class and in my first year in college in Introduction to Business class. Very basic. Thanks for reading and I would love to see those 5 simple questions answered. Readers of this post, you will thank me for all of these due dilliegence in the future. Sincerely,

Dear Readers

As you know, its getting more and more obvious as this thread continues where everyones sympathies lay. Except misquided Carlos of course.

As for my grammer, I am LAZY. Certainly I know how to spell -even though it may not appear so from my previous threads. I apologize.

Carlos keeps making this whole thread about himself and LEADS.

Its all about him folks, and his life. Nobody else counts. Nobody else matters nor will he tolerate anyone with a different point of view.

Did I try any of this guys leads? NO. Why then can I bash them if I havent?

Let the truth be known that Carlos from 'Getleads' is ALSO a mortgage loan officer.

Here is the scam that people 'may be inclined to pull' in that situation. Hypothetically of course.


Go thru all this effort to get a bunch of leads - as any business owner does. Sell the ones that are good and will fund.

Now instead of just following up or eating the rest of the crap leads that nobody can fund like everyone else does, and incorporating the loss as the cost of doing business, he SELLS them to us as 'leads' .

Now before people like Carlos can go 'no no no .... its not TRUE' ...... whine complain etc..... lets think about this:

Why would a mortgage agent go get GOOD LEADS then just HAND THEM AWAY to strangers to make thousands off of for $20 bucks a lead or whatever, -instead of refinancing those borrowers himself. It doesnt make sense.

OF COURSE he cherry picks those out -and sells us the crap to try to recoup some of his expenses. No way i was going to buy those leads. Some on the outpost did -and ALL reported them to be rehashed , called 1000 times, below 300 fico , worthless crap.

I read my fellow members replies and concerns, and decided that these were not PRODUCTIVE leads and forwarded it to the owner. Any reasonable person would have done the same. There are other issues that Mr Carlos pulled , some are really wild . Just today we pulled out a racist remark out of the archives that is documented for all to see.

The owner of Broker Outpost is a class act , and he does not just 'boot' people off his site he sweat blood to build. If he boots you off -its because you are tarnishing the site. This is BUSINESS so he could care less about playing 'favorites' or anything else. He cares about the quality of HIS SITE. So would anyone.

I am going to contact the owner of ripoff report as this 'ripoff' has no basis at all. Carlos paid no monies to the owner , and it is a private free site that belongs to the owner, so where is the 'ripoff'???

I take it being booted off so he cant sell his cast off dubious leads was his 'RIGHT' under the constitution or something? He suggests this is a 'ripoff' ???

I have been on ripoff report for quite some time now, and am familiar with the rules here.

I dont want the thread deleted, but perhaps have the owner have a word with Carlos about frivious and self serving posts that have no value to consumers.

Cheers

I'm an active member of Brokeroutpost and have been for many months now. I can't really say much about Carlos because I wasn't hard up enough to buy leads from him. I just applied the many ideas that were and are still being shared among those who will pay attention and use the site for what it's for, which has kept a steady stream of deals coming my way. These ideas shared will make you money in this business if you go out and apply them. It's a great site and I have made many friendships becuase of it.

Now on to the premium membership that Carlos seemed to be degrading. The reason Tom has been praising it is very simple.... it works. I have 2 loans in the process right now from Darin's new "Premium Membership." I have only spent about $40 over 3 months to get 2 loans that will net me 5K in profit. Not sure what results anyone else is getting in business, but if you ask any business owner, they would jump on this rate of return any day of the week.

I just thought others should know the truth about Brokeroutpost. IT's a fantastic community.

Cary D.

Tom,

Your vocabulary and writing structure needs a lot of work. I'm sorry but do you seriously expect people to believe you with the way you present yourself.

First of all, you have been reading my post in almost every forum that you see my presence and until to this day, you can't spell my name right. It's not that hard to figure out nor need a first grade teacher to walk you through it.

Tom, on the serious note - You might want to consider taking a few courses to sharpen and work on your grammar and writing skills. You are embarassing yourself.

Secondly, out of all this complaints that I've posted regarding BrokerOutpost.com, why can't the owner (BrokerOutpost.com) himself send a rebuttal or respond to this complaint? How come it's always you that is representing him? To top of it all, the party that is representing BrokerOutpost can't even spell, write or speak English which in-turn puts more embarrasment to BrokerOutpost. TY Tom Desular, you are ridiculing yourself by exposing your illiterate writing skills, improper proper use of capitalization, conjunction and the list goes on.

So, the question still stands and this is the main reason why this RipOffReport is posted here. Here's as follows:

1. If the owner of BrokerOutpost.com knew the lead provider that was selling bogus leads was registered and operated under his server, then why didn't he just shut down the lead provider's website - instead he continued to host the URL online?

2. Why can't the owner of BrokerOutpost rebut all these complaints himself?

3. TY Tom Desular - What is really your position at BrokerOutpost and why are you so defensive about my complaint against BrokerOutpost (Are you paid by salary)?

4. TY Tom Desular - Why did you cheered on the lead provider that ripped-off a bunch of BrokerOutpost members and praised his products if you have never purchased leads from him; then now that these customers are looking for him you are pretending like you are on a hunt for him as well?

5. TY Tom Desular - How could you criticize my leads if you have never purchased from me?

6. TY Tom Desular - At least name a few - from BrokerOutpost that purchased leads from me that I've ripped-off?

I bet you can't answer question number 6 b/c those folks that purchased from me have never had any problems with my leads. If they did then you would hear about it. Obviously you haven't heard anything bad about my leads, except accusations without proof, because no one from BrokerOutpost have had a bad experience with my Live Transfers?

BrokerOutpost is a cult. It's a website that allows loan officers and lenders to join online but its motives is nothing but a lie. I wish they would just be honest and let everyone know that they are there to make money. Yes, I joined other forums to get new clients but that's the intention of every internet marketers - To profit and find consumers online. I am not on the internet 15 hours a day just to surf and look at websites. I'm a business man and I'm good at what I do. Yes, I joined BrokerOutpost to find new clients and I did - I still continue to get calls from their members because they hear good things about my service.

So, the question remains and I'm sure the readers would love see what the owner have to say about question #1 and #2. As for you Tom, I know you will not stop posting b/c you have an ego and you like to start confrontations - And love to keep it going. That's fine with me b/c its just more embarrasment you are creating for yourself. Three words for you - High School Diploma!

Thanks for reading...

GetLeads Network Inc.
CEO, San Diego-CA

Hello Robert,

I want to thank you for your response regarding my complaint. I understand that you see the negative side of my story - but of course you are entitled to your own opinion - BrokerOutpost states that they are not there to make money for themselves but to help others. However, the owner himself is in the lead business and he didn't like the fact that I was able to capture 4 new customers from his forum in 1 month.

BrokerOutpost has a ring of service providers where they all profit from amongst each other (in my opinion, of course with no proof). There is a lead provider in there that is in search by members of BrokerOutpost. See links below.

http://www.mortgagebrokerland.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1382&postcount=1

http://www.mortgagebrokerland.com/forums/showthread.php?t=58

I remember a few months back when every member in Brokeroutpost (including Tom Desular) where cheering on this provider's product. They had members that had never purchased nor experience leads in their lives that were praising this lead provider. Readers of this complaint, do your homework diligently - it was between October 2005 to December 2005 - in BrokerOutpost, their veteran members where telling people how great the system was and how great the results panned out.

For some of you BrokerOutpost.com veterans, you saw the reviews that were posted about this lead provider. You know who are and I know you agree with me regarding this matter. Well, in the last week of Dec 2005 a series of complaints such as... "I haven't received my leads", "I've called **** several times and there's no response", "Where is he", "Did he really have family problems, if so, then why can't he just send us an e-mail",... etc.

Now, most of you BrokerOutpost.com veterans knew him in that forum. OK, here's an eye opener for Darin Ferraro. BrokerOutpost.com is the Registered Server Provider of that lead company. Once again, in my opinion, its an inside job between the owner of BrokerOutpost to make money and the lead provider. Here's a question for you? What is the point of paying $10/month to be a premium member in Brokeroutpost? There are so many free forums out there that does not require a membership fee. Readers.. you be the judge.

Anyhow, Robert thank you for your response and I hope this gave you a clear understanding on why I feel like I do regarding the BrokerOutpost.

GetLeads Network Inc.
CEO
San Diego, CA

Hello Robert,

I want to thank you for your response regarding my complaint. I understand that you see the negative side of my story - but of course you are entitled to your own opinion - BrokerOutpost states that they are not there to make money for themselves but to help others. However, the owner himself is in the lead business and he didn't like the fact that I was able to capture 4 new customers from his forum in 1 month.

BrokerOutpost has a ring of service providers where they all profit from amongst each other (in my opinion, of course with no proof). There is a lead provider in there that is in search by members of BrokerOutpost. See links below.

http://www.mortgagebrokerland.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1382&postcount=1

http://www.mortgagebrokerland.com/forums/showthread.php?t=58

I remember a few months back when every member in Brokeroutpost (including Tom Desular) where cheering on this provider's product. They had members that had never purchased nor experience leads in their lives that were praising this lead provider. Readers of this complaint, do your homework diligently - it was between October 2005 to December 2005 - in BrokerOutpost, their veteran members where telling people how great the system was and how great the results panned out.

For some of you BrokerOutpost.com veterans, you saw the reviews that were posted about this lead provider. You know who are and I know you agree with me regarding this matter. Well, in the last week of Dec 2005 a series of complaints such as... "I haven't received my leads", "I've called **** several times and there's no response", "Where is he", "Did he really have family problems, if so, then why can't he just send us an e-mail",... etc.

Now, most of you BrokerOutpost.com veterans knew him in that forum. OK, here's an eye opener for Darin Ferraro. BrokerOutpost.com is the Registered Server Provider of that lead company. Once again, in my opinion, its an inside job between the owner of BrokerOutpost to make money and the lead provider. Here's a question for you? What is the point of paying $10/month to be a premium member in Brokeroutpost? There are so many free forums out there that does not require a membership fee. Readers.. you be the judge.

Anyhow, Robert thank you for your response and I hope this gave you a clear understanding on why I feel like I do regarding the BrokerOutpost.

GetLeads Network Inc.
CEO
San Diego, CA

Hello Robert,

I want to thank you for your response regarding my complaint. I understand that you see the negative side of my story - but of course you are entitled to your own opinion - BrokerOutpost states that they are not there to make money for themselves but to help others. However, the owner himself is in the lead business and he didn't like the fact that I was able to capture 4 new customers from his forum in 1 month.

BrokerOutpost has a ring of service providers where they all profit from amongst each other (in my opinion, of course with no proof). There is a lead provider in there that is in search by members of BrokerOutpost. See links below.

http://www.mortgagebrokerland.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1382&postcount=1

http://www.mortgagebrokerland.com/forums/showthread.php?t=58

I remember a few months back when every member in Brokeroutpost (including Tom Desular) where cheering on this provider's product. They had members that had never purchased nor experience leads in their lives that were praising this lead provider. Readers of this complaint, do your homework diligently - it was between October 2005 to December 2005 - in BrokerOutpost, their veteran members where telling people how great the system was and how great the results panned out.

For some of you BrokerOutpost.com veterans, you saw the reviews that were posted about this lead provider. You know who are and I know you agree with me regarding this matter. Well, in the last week of Dec 2005 a series of complaints such as... "I haven't received my leads", "I've called **** several times and there's no response", "Where is he", "Did he really have family problems, if so, then why can't he just send us an e-mail",... etc.

Now, most of you BrokerOutpost.com veterans knew him in that forum. OK, here's an eye opener for Darin Ferraro. BrokerOutpost.com is the Registered Server Provider of that lead company. Once again, in my opinion, its an inside job between the owner of BrokerOutpost to make money and the lead provider. Here's a question for you? What is the point of paying $10/month to be a premium member in Brokeroutpost? There are so many free forums out there that does not require a membership fee. Readers.. you be the judge.

Anyhow, Robert thank you for your response and I hope this gave you a clear understanding on why I feel like I do regarding the BrokerOutpost.

GetLeads Network Inc.
CEO
San Diego, CA

Hello Robert,

I want to thank you for your response regarding my complaint. I understand that you see the negative side of my story - but of course you are entitled to your own opinion - BrokerOutpost states that they are not there to make money for themselves but to help others. However, the owner himself is in the lead business and he didn't like the fact that I was able to capture 4 new customers from his forum in 1 month.

BrokerOutpost has a ring of service providers where they all profit from amongst each other (in my opinion, of course with no proof). There is a lead provider in there that is in search by members of BrokerOutpost. See links below.

http://www.mortgagebrokerland.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1382&postcount=1

http://www.mortgagebrokerland.com/forums/showthread.php?t=58

I remember a few months back when every member in Brokeroutpost (including Tom Desular) where cheering on this provider's product. They had members that had never purchased nor experience leads in their lives that were praising this lead provider. Readers of this complaint, do your homework diligently - it was between October 2005 to December 2005 - in BrokerOutpost, their veteran members where telling people how great the system was and how great the results panned out.

For some of you BrokerOutpost.com veterans, you saw the reviews that were posted about this lead provider. You know who are and I know you agree with me regarding this matter. Well, in the last week of Dec 2005 a series of complaints such as... "I haven't received my leads", "I've called **** several times and there's no response", "Where is he", "Did he really have family problems, if so, then why can't he just send us an e-mail",... etc.

Now, most of you BrokerOutpost.com veterans knew him in that forum. OK, here's an eye opener for Darin Ferraro. BrokerOutpost.com is the Registered Server Provider of that lead company. Once again, in my opinion, its an inside job between the owner of BrokerOutpost to make money and the lead provider. Here's a question for you? What is the point of paying $10/month to be a premium member in Brokeroutpost? There are so many free forums out there that does not require a membership fee. Readers.. you be the judge.

Anyhow, Robert thank you for your response and I hope this gave you a clear understanding on why I feel like I do regarding the BrokerOutpost.

GetLeads Network Inc.
CEO
San Diego, CA

Hi.

Lets me try to get some things straight for all the readers.

Carlos sells leads on broker sites. This means he is going around trying to peddle his wares to mortgage brokers online and MAKE MONEY OFF US.

we are the consumers. Not Carlos.

Broker outpost is for MORTGAGE BROKERS not lead providers. Lead provider and other fringe members are allowed on to enhance the site and are there by courtesy and under the assumption not to rip us off.

He was kicked off for selling dubious leads and acting very well the same as you all see him do here . He DOES need to see a doctor (even though i am not one so i cannot professionally say). His antics are beyond what i would consider normal.

I have contacted the owner of Broker outpost and dont know if he feels this worthless attempt to smear him worthy of his reply.

We all know that internet selling has a dubious reputation to begin with. We as brokers are trying to make a living -and run into guys like Carlos with 'leads' -which as the above poster indicated -are dubious at best nowadays.

What Carlos fails to see in his HATE and SPITE campaign is that he is one selling stuff to us -and he is the one booted off.

In pure SPITE - he comes on here and tries to get REVENGE for something that was his own doing.

The owner of the site has nothing personal against Carlos, and neither do I. He couldnt keep him there because he was distruptive and self serving -as we can all see by his posts here. I believe Carlos has anger issues.

The only RIPOFF REPORT should be his leads against us consumers, and this SMEAR CAMPAIGN. We arent selling anything. The forum is free, but you can join the premium site and set up a website to get customers for $10 bucks a month. Some 'ripoff'. Lol. Its a great deal. And while we are on the subject, The owner is a business man .he built the site and deserves now to try to recoup his investment -so yes he promotes the premium side, but there is ABSOLUTELY no pressure at all to join.

Go to the site and see for yourselves.

In short.

Carlos is an internet seller. He got booted off broker outpost for acting very much as he is on here too. This complaint of his is what? He got booted off a privately owned free site? He didnt pay any fee for it. So what is the 'ripoff'?

he cant sell his dubious leads to us there so he is FUMING.

like its his 'right' to walk onto broker outpost and do whatever he wants -and if he doesnt gete his way -wah!!!

as you can see from the previous poster Carlos -the only one getting smeared here is YOU.

you are only damaging yourself more.

Carlo, Let me start by saying I have never used Brokeroutpost or never had any contact with anyone listed on this site. Let me ask you, are you not doing the same thing that you are claiming he is doing? You come onto a public forum and complain about a company trying to hurt their business, but get upset when it is done to you. Let's be honest here regarding the leads these days, they have been watered down so much that these poor people get 10-20 calls a day from mortgage lenders. I am not saying yours are that way and really don't care, but in reading the posts I am going to have to agree with Tom on this one.

You state in your post that public forums are for someone to state their opinion or review, yet you are mad because you don't like what he has to say. If you didn't like it then there is no one forcing you to read the posts.

You are asking people to call HUD and see if they are breaking any RESPA laws, what did they say when you called?

Good luck to both companies, I think you are going to need based on where the mortgage industry is heading!

Dear Readers,

Tom continues to wrongfully accuse me of selling bogus leads. How could he do such if he's never purchased leads from me before? Also, he doesn't have any proof from consumers of BrokerOutpost regarding the quality of my service, nor I have received any complaint from my current clients. Re-read his post several times and decide for yourself if this is the type of person you can partner with. He is uneducated and has no professionalism whatsoever.

Just read his subject of rebutal, "Need to see a doctor". Immature and unprofessional. Con-artist speak like this because they usually don't have any class.

Thanks for reading...

Tom Desular has never purchased any leads from anyone but yet he has the saying to say the leads I sold is bogus. He has never purchased any leads nor have experienced my service but he loves to create accusations that are untrue and unprofessional.

Please read his posted message and decide for yourself if this is the type of person you'd like to partner yourself with. Uneducated and a complete rip-off.

He claims that I ripped off alot of consumers but yet he has no single proof of such accusation. Also, he lacks of professionalism as you can see the subject line that he used as his rebuttal.

Thanks for reading...

Dear Carlos from Getleads.

To all readers. I am the member of well established and respected Broker Outpost.

Broker outpost is designed for mortgage brokers to network. It is free to join and there are no dues. The whole point is to exchange ideas.

However, Lead Providers, Wholesale lenders and others come on the outpost to MAKE MONEY OFF US.

As many of you know , it will attract scam artists and other freaks to try to make a quick buck off the loan officers there.

promising them 'leads' and they turn out bogus.

promising them to raise fico for their clients -and that doesnt work.

there are all kinds of other scams too.

The author of this topics name is Carlos and he sells mortgage 'leads' -which i must say is a loose term.

He sold mortgage leads on broker outpost, but they were horrible, and he had an attitude on him quite like what you read from him above. He has anger issues.

After he and the 2 'cronies' he brought along got so out of control , they were barred by the owner and kicked off the site.

Since poor Carlo makes his money this way -snaking onto internet sites to sell his sub par product -he is no doubt royally PISSED that he cant sell there anymore.

I have spent much time defending the consumer broker -much like this site is for consumers against fraud. He complains that i got into 3 arguments, yes - all were he and his cronies. All of them were kicked off.

The owner, Darin Ferraro is a class act and invites all to see the site and participate. But he will not stand for people trying to scam a quick buck off us -and if they get out of hand or are reported for fraud -they get barred. If they get out of hand with other members -they get barred.


As for carlos? We dont HATE him or go around posting on the internet about him. We just couldnt have him on the outpost any longer.

he has gone on to other forums to sell his leads.

We are very very keen on making sure there are no rip off artists like Carlos on broker outpost.

cheers