Kmb262
fort worth,#2General Comment
Thu, June 17, 2010
Yes Evonne You are the victim NOT I too was ripped off by you with promise of papers and a sick puppy. The papers which we never saw , It is hard to contact you and broker and a puppy mill you are. You kept the dogs in a garage not in any sanitary conditons. the vicotm here is the poor animlas you profit from and do not take care of there health and well being. Just for sheer money . Oh and by the way. We surely waste our time writing total lies about you beacuase oh yes you are of course the victim here. Oh yeah i rememebr you telling myself and my husband what great chrsitians you are. I guess tthere is someone you will meet higher than thou who will make that decision. Oh and you may want to take literacy classes to learn how to spell diarrhea. There have been enough sickl puppies youhaev sold to be an expert at teh spelling of that........ Hopefully we have p[ut you out of business . You certainly do not deserve to have a fish in your care .K Bridges
Juju
LOS Angeles,#3Consumer Comment
Tue, September 30, 2008
Wow Evonne, I really found out what kind of person you really are, you are a flat out LIAR....I have not received any information about my papers yet...you changed your phone number and email, I am kissing my papers goodbye right now and I hope you were able to use that extra 100 dollars wisely....I really feel sorry for you, but you will get yours one day (What you have done to all of these people including me,,,,it will come back to you one day!!!!!) I am not here to judge you...GOD will do that!!!!!!! Dan and Julie
Tim
Dallas,#4Consumer Comment
Mon, October 29, 2007
i had trouble with evonne too. she is typically full of excuses whether it be her kids, or or own personal animals, i will say that she was very hospitable to my girlfriend when she took our deposit, but after reading here i decided to cut my losses and buy another puppy. it bothers me this lady who is a business woman hides behind her personal life so much if she doesn't have time for both then take care of the home instead of playing with other people hard earned money, and selling people sick unfit imported puppys while hiding behind a FAKE Christian blessing that she so annoyingly says at the end of every conversation, after she misspells everything
Evonne
Rockwall,#5REBUTTAL Owner of company
Wed, October 24, 2007
BY THE WAY,,,,SHE DOES'NT~~ MENTION IN THAT~ TIME FRAME,,,I WAS IN THE HOSPITAL HAVING AN EMERGENCY C-SECTION FROM HAVING COMPLICATION WITH MY BABY!!!!!! SHE NEVER MENTIONS~~THAT MY HUSBAND WAS LIVING UP AT THE HOSPITAL FROM OVER~ A WEEK WHILE I WAS IN THE HOSPITAL HAVING COMPLICATION WITH MY HEALTH!!!!!!! SHE WAS SOOO WORRIED ABOUT GETTING HER PUPPY ASAP,,,WHILE I~~ WAS IN THE HOSPITAL FOR A WEEK TRYING TO RECOVER FROM AN OPERATION!!! SOME PEOPLE CAN BE SOOO COLD!!!
Evonne
Rockwall,#6REBUTTAL Owner of company
Wed, October 24, 2007
BY THE WAY,,,,SHE DOES'NT~~ MENTION IN THAT~ TIME FRAME,,,I WAS IN THE HOSPITAL HAVING AN EMERGENCY C-SECTION FROM HAVING COMPLICATION WITH MY BABY!!!!!! SHE NEVER MENTIONS~~THAT MY HUSBAND WAS LIVING UP AT THE HOSPITAL FROM OVER~ A WEEK WHILE I WAS IN THE HOSPITAL HAVING COMPLICATION WITH MY HEALTH!!!!!!! SHE WAS SOOO WORRIED ABOUT GETTING HER PUPPY ASAP,,,WHILE I~~ WAS IN THE HOSPITAL FOR A WEEK TRYING TO RECOVER FROM AN OPERATION!!! SOME PEOPLE CAN BE SOOO COLD!!!
Evonne
Rockwall,#7REBUTTAL Owner of company
Wed, October 24, 2007
BY THE WAY,,,,SHE DOES'NT~~ MENTION IN THAT~ TIME FRAME,,,I WAS IN THE HOSPITAL HAVING AN EMERGENCY C-SECTION FROM HAVING COMPLICATION WITH MY BABY!!!!!! SHE NEVER MENTIONS~~THAT MY HUSBAND WAS LIVING UP AT THE HOSPITAL FROM OVER~ A WEEK WHILE I WAS IN THE HOSPITAL HAVING COMPLICATION WITH MY HEALTH!!!!!!! SHE WAS SOOO WORRIED ABOUT GETTING HER PUPPY ASAP,,,WHILE I~~ WAS IN THE HOSPITAL FOR A WEEK TRYING TO RECOVER FROM AN OPERATION!!! SOME PEOPLE CAN BE SOOO COLD!!!
Evonne
Rockwall,#8REBUTTAL Owner of company
Sun, September 02, 2007
So NOW~ everybody is trying to come against US,,,when I did NOTHING~ wrong!!! For One I did NOT~ Rip her off,,,hellloooo she HAS~ her dog!! Secondly, I have NO~ idea why she feels the need to make up such Silly Lies!!! She says We have More than 2 Numbers?? NOPE~ We have ONLY~ 2 Numbers,,,our home # & Cell#!!! WHY~ on earth would my husband give you another # other than WhAT~ is ON~ the Web site??? And YES~ if everyone~ will just LOOK~ at our Web site,,,You WILL~ see that it IS~ very Imformative!! And YES ~I did take the time to answer all~ of your questions,,,WHY~ would'nt I??? And thirdly, Your Puppy WAS~ sent with a Puppy Pack which included ALL~ Documents that You needed!!! You guys obviously have nothing better to do,,,than to try & spread lies about someone that You DON'T~ even know!!! We most defiantly are NOT~~Brokers!! So yes~ please do check w/ the USDA so you CAN~ see that!!!!! We DO~ however beleive in bettering the breed,,,which none~of you are Breeders of over 14 years out there! So you are totally~ Clueless on what it takes for a Breeder to prevent health problems!! And YES~ we do~ take every measure possibly to make sure ALL~ of our animals are Healthy & Vet checked from our Veteranarian! And YES~ we do~ give any~ of our customers our Veteranarian's number for referance as well!! I did absolutly nothing~ here but try to help her,,& give her all~the information she needed!! And I would really~~like to see proof from the post office that you even tried~ to send me anything in the mail,,,because my~ Gosh WHY~ on earth would I have reason NOT~ to get it??? Obviously you had already~ went passed the requested time frame,,,but I told you it did'nt matter,,,I would still~ accept the Health Guarantee, & file it in my records!! Sign~it & send it back to you!!! I have absolutly NO~ reason to try & scam someone,,,as I truly beleive it will always~ come right back at ya!!!! I AM~ a Christian,,& I would NEVER~~purposly hurt someone,,,or do someone wrong!!! I feel I did~ everything in my power to help you,,& answer any of your questions!! I am really~ offended that you would say that I did'nt,,when I felt that I DID~ do everything in my ower to answer ALL~ of your questions!!! And I KNEW~ your dog was ok,,,because if you ask ANY~ Breeder,,,they WILL~ tell you that when you first bring a puppy home,,YES~ the puppy is stressed from the New environment,,,& YES~ it will have Diarea occasionally from the Chage of food!! So PLEASE~ everyone,,Call Your Vet & ask him this simple question: Can your Puppy get Diarea from going to New home, & Switiching foods??? And You will see, that he will most defiantly say YES!! SO I still don't~~know why~ this person is trying to make a MAJOR~ Issue out of Nothing!! Her dog WAS~ fine after 1 week!!! Hummm,,WHY~ because of the normal~reasons,,,NOT~ b/c she had an unhealthy dog!! So WHY~ all the DRAMA???? What did she loose??? NOTHING!! It's a shame that people have nothing better to do than to spread Negaitivity to the World,,,IF We LOVED~ more,,,& hated Less.....there might be just a few more better people in the World today for God to Smile Upon!! Anyhow,,,if any~ of you have ANY~~Questions at all,,,instead of Jumping on your Own "Oppinions"~ please just email or call me first. And as I said I would be MORE~~than happy to answer ANY~ Questions!!
Mary
Richardson,#9Consumer Comment
Wed, August 29, 2007
I have responded to your request on the French Bulldog Club. See you there!
Michelle
Mobile,#10Consumer Suggestion
Wed, August 22, 2007
I know how it feels to be ripped off I also was taken on wire transfer for over $1,000.00 . I was only joking about sherry carter. Do what you have to do. I have a lady with web site now slandering me which is not smart so make sure everything you put on your site you can back up with emails or phone records. Don't make a mistake where they can say you are slandering them. Such as I am. The lady who slanders me on web site is haha joke.I know you have been hurt. You may need to speak to an attorney about what you can put on web sites. If you have proof tell it hear say dont. Good luck and always remember The Truth Always Comes Out. They cannot hide anyone who is criminal. Good luck
Mary
Richardson,#11Consumer Suggestion
Tue, August 21, 2007
We need to find a forum outside this report where we can share contact information. Possibly set up a website that people who have been affected by Diamond Acres can share information and keep the website for our usage only and to coordinate legal activities. I am currently working on a report to the Attorney General's office, but I may have to go the local D.A., I tried our local BBB but they are outside the jurisdiction. What we need is a person(s) that have received fake papers through the US mail. As this would constitute mail fraud and should be reported to the Inspector General of the Post Office. Or someone who received their puppy contract through the mail and did not receive the papers for their dog. If we can prove mail fraud then this is a serious federal offense that comes with steep fines and possible jail time. If anyone has any website ideas such as myspace or has a website that they we can use for these purposes only - see if you can post the website name. (or even a google that will get us there) Be careful there are many nut jobs out there, so this should not be a website that you would use for any purposes other than pooling resources to shut down this operation. I am going to contact our local French Bulldog club for any suggestions regarding the practices of these individuals. No reputable breeder appreciates these activities and may have resources that we are not aware of, at this time. If not, I will try and set up a website where we can post this information. My niece and nephew are expert web designers and work in dog rescue in Chicago area, I'm sure that if I purchase a web space we can have them coordinate the information. Thanks to all for their support! Mary in Richardson, Texas
Mary
Richardson,#12Consumer Suggestion
Tue, August 21, 2007
We need to find a forum outside this report where we can share contact information. Possibly set up a website that people who have been affected by Diamond Acres can share information and keep the website for our usage only and to coordinate legal activities. I am currently working on a report to the Attorney General's office, but I may have to go the local D.A., I tried our local BBB but they are outside the jurisdiction. What we need is a person(s) that have received fake papers through the US mail. As this would constitute mail fraud and should be reported to the Inspector General of the Post Office. Or someone who received their puppy contract through the mail and did not receive the papers for their dog. If we can prove mail fraud then this is a serious federal offense that comes with steep fines and possible jail time. If anyone has any website ideas such as myspace or has a website that they we can use for these purposes only - see if you can post the website name. (or even a google that will get us there) Be careful there are many nut jobs out there, so this should not be a website that you would use for any purposes other than pooling resources to shut down this operation. I am going to contact our local French Bulldog club for any suggestions regarding the practices of these individuals. No reputable breeder appreciates these activities and may have resources that we are not aware of, at this time. If not, I will try and set up a website where we can post this information. My niece and nephew are expert web designers and work in dog rescue in Chicago area, I'm sure that if I purchase a web space we can have them coordinate the information. Thanks to all for their support! Mary in Richardson, Texas
Mary
Richardson,#13Consumer Suggestion
Tue, August 21, 2007
We need to find a forum outside this report where we can share contact information. Possibly set up a website that people who have been affected by Diamond Acres can share information and keep the website for our usage only and to coordinate legal activities. I am currently working on a report to the Attorney General's office, but I may have to go the local D.A., I tried our local BBB but they are outside the jurisdiction. What we need is a person(s) that have received fake papers through the US mail. As this would constitute mail fraud and should be reported to the Inspector General of the Post Office. Or someone who received their puppy contract through the mail and did not receive the papers for their dog. If we can prove mail fraud then this is a serious federal offense that comes with steep fines and possible jail time. If anyone has any website ideas such as myspace or has a website that they we can use for these purposes only - see if you can post the website name. (or even a google that will get us there) Be careful there are many nut jobs out there, so this should not be a website that you would use for any purposes other than pooling resources to shut down this operation. I am going to contact our local French Bulldog club for any suggestions regarding the practices of these individuals. No reputable breeder appreciates these activities and may have resources that we are not aware of, at this time. If not, I will try and set up a website where we can post this information. My niece and nephew are expert web designers and work in dog rescue in Chicago area, I'm sure that if I purchase a web space we can have them coordinate the information. Thanks to all for their support! Mary in Richardson, Texas
Mary
Richardson,#14Consumer Suggestion
Tue, August 21, 2007
We need to find a forum outside this report where we can share contact information. Possibly set up a website that people who have been affected by Diamond Acres can share information and keep the website for our usage only and to coordinate legal activities. I am currently working on a report to the Attorney General's office, but I may have to go the local D.A., I tried our local BBB but they are outside the jurisdiction. What we need is a person(s) that have received fake papers through the US mail. As this would constitute mail fraud and should be reported to the Inspector General of the Post Office. Or someone who received their puppy contract through the mail and did not receive the papers for their dog. If we can prove mail fraud then this is a serious federal offense that comes with steep fines and possible jail time. If anyone has any website ideas such as myspace or has a website that they we can use for these purposes only - see if you can post the website name. (or even a google that will get us there) Be careful there are many nut jobs out there, so this should not be a website that you would use for any purposes other than pooling resources to shut down this operation. I am going to contact our local French Bulldog club for any suggestions regarding the practices of these individuals. No reputable breeder appreciates these activities and may have resources that we are not aware of, at this time. If not, I will try and set up a website where we can post this information. My niece and nephew are expert web designers and work in dog rescue in Chicago area, I'm sure that if I purchase a web space we can have them coordinate the information. Thanks to all for their support! Mary in Richardson, Texas
Amy
Kingsland,#15Author of original report
Sun, August 12, 2007
I have read over Evonne's website many, many times and the answers to my questions were obviously not on there or I would not have taken the time to ask specific questions. For some reason Evonne cannot give a specific response to the questions. She circles around answers and as she accused me of, repeats herself over and over. Interesting! If we think about it Evonne, you know we have tried to send you the papers from our veterinarian office by fax less than one day after we flew to pick up our dog and you told me your fax machine was broken, that you wanted us to mail it (this was explained in my first write-up). We have attempted to send the documents five times through certified mail. Your response to that was please not to send it certified because you have guard dogs and the postal service workers will not come in with them. On your notification that was in your mailbox 5 times, it let you know your package was at the post office. I guess you all are so busy taking excellent care of your puppies that you never get a chance to leave your house. I am not sending the documentation from the veterinarian through regular mail like you requested because I fear you will say you never got it. I am really tired of your games. It is amazing how many people you have done this type of thing to and yet you continue to act like this is all new and you are so innocent! Unbelievable! Evonne, as you said in your rebuttal, you never heard back from us on if we took our puppy to the veterinarian, but somehow you knew my dog was better within a week??? How in the world do you know our puppy is fine? Have you asked? I quit letting you know about his condition because you told me you did not have time for me unless I had reasonable questions or comments. Well, my questions were reasonable and could not be found on your website. Like, what veterinarian did you take my puppy to? What is his actual age? What vaccinations were given to him? Please send pictures of my puppy and his parents. What are the parents' ID numbers?, etc. There was none of this information that you could provide for me while my husband and I were desperately trying to save our puppy! Thanks for your help Evonne! Your time and our time must be very different because our puppy has been sick for WELL over one week and I NEVER told you he was better! We did go on to Weather.com and look at the weather, but from your excellent explanation of how things worked we thought our puppy could be shipped to us! First you said it had to be cooler than 80 degrees at the time of take-off, so we agreed you would ship him on a Saturday. Well, we didn't hear from you, the weather was 73 degrees that morning. This happened again three different times ( I am refraining from adding the details because I don't want to be accused of repeating myself again!) and finally my husband and I wanted to know where our puppy was so my husband flew to Texas to find out. Evonne's numbers may have been the same and yes, two of them were listed on the website, but the one Gary told us we needed to be calling from the start was NOT on the website. If the write-up my husband and I took the time to write was read carefully all this information would have been explained very clearly. We did write a lot of detail because we wanted to make ourselves very clear. The address situation has been a recent fiasco, so I emailed Evonne to verify the address two weeks ago because the post office in our town continued calling to let us know the recipient of our package refused to pick it up. That is why I emailed to verify the address because I just could not understand why Evonne or Gary would not pick up the documentation since it was imperative for us to send it ASAP. We did, but they refused to pick it up. We asked the post office to return the package and we have it here now. Since we are having difficulties communicating and the information or questions we are asking are not being understood, we are exploring different avenues to resolve this issue.
Michelle
Mobile,#16Consumer Comment
Sat, August 11, 2007
Complaint Referral Form Internet Crime Complaint Center --------------------------- Thank you for filing a complaint with the Internet Crime Complaint Center (IC3). Your complaint has been submitted. Once processed by the IC3, you will be sent an email containing your complaint id and password to be used for future contacts with the IC3. This process can take several hours. The IC3's mission is to serve as a vehicle to receive, develop, and refer criminal complaints regarding the rapidly expanding arena of cyber crime. The IC3 aims to give the victims of cyber crime a convenient and easy-to-use reporting mechanism. If you have comments or problems related to the IC3 website, please contact us. Complaint Status go to this site anone who has stolen from you will be investigated also i filed with district attorney in their city.please people whoever has had dealings with puppy find and ripped off lets do class action suit against them [email protected] i say their is alot of bad dealings puppy find is sweeping under rug brian owns it he knows what he is doing money
Michelle
Mobile,#17Consumer Suggestion
Fri, August 10, 2007
I also got ripped off for a 1,020.00 shih tzu. Somehow all the breeders in arkansas know the ones in nebraska.???? This is the internet I found out the hard way too. always read the breeders contract and like the lady says my dogs are home raised not 10 70 dogs in my house. anyway point go to the dog plane you fly up not the dog to you. thats the problem here. If consumers would take time to put themselves on plane to go see the dog in person its a whole nother ball game. Do anyone read the news today did anyone know what days we live in and we trust the internet geez we act like we are cave people yes they are puppy millers if they breed more than 2 xs a year. no champion in lines 5 pound shih tzus i have seen it all and I even was going to be a breeder but the market showed me more liars in this and money games. once that puppy left their state that is interstate commerce fraud. by plane,car, whatever call distric attorney in their state. call usda call spca do not let one dog go with out a voice. you are their voice. I have had a lady come on here and tell lie after lie about me. hateful people are not nice to their dogs. vengful spitful gossiping people either donna {u know who u r} I have spoken to animal activist about this internet dog dealing maybe you dont have the time but I will devote my life to it. Just as paul mccarthy has devoted to slaying of innocent slaying of baby seals. alot of cruelty in this world you can fancy up the web site but at the end of the day when the moon and stars come out their are dogs outside in kennels not loved but used,neglected,then tossed away. Good luck God has forgiven me for trying to breed 2 xs they all went to pet homes if not they will stay in my lap.
Angeldogluvr
Roseville,#18Consumer Comment
Tue, August 07, 2007
In the future, check with the states lisenced broker list. (you can find this list on the state's USDA website) NEVER buy a puppy from a broker. Only directly from the breeder themselves. Never buy a puppy out of parents who have not undergone extensive health testing as per the standards for the breed. (ie PenHip/OFA for hips, eyes, cardiac and elbows. CERF testing for eyes, lots of blood work for thyroid disorders and other blood related disorders.) Look carefully at websites. When a website says, "family raised" but they have 10 females having puppies..umm...just do the math a little bit. Look at the pictures of the parent dogs. Are they tied to hold them still? Are they on a leash but straining against it? (a sign they've never seen one before) Are they behind fences? (the photographer can't bother to take them out and put them in a sit/stay? Dog doesn't know how to do that due to lack of training perhaps?) Don't look at a picture of cute pups on a couch and think "oh, those are in the house." Anyone can grab a bunch of pups and put 'em on the couch for a minute and snap a picture.
Angeldogluvr
Roseville,#19Consumer Comment
Tue, August 07, 2007
In the future, check with the states lisenced broker list. (you can find this list on the state's USDA website) NEVER buy a puppy from a broker. Only directly from the breeder themselves. Never buy a puppy out of parents who have not undergone extensive health testing as per the standards for the breed. (ie PenHip/OFA for hips, eyes, cardiac and elbows. CERF testing for eyes, lots of blood work for thyroid disorders and other blood related disorders.) Look carefully at websites. When a website says, "family raised" but they have 10 females having puppies..umm...just do the math a little bit. Look at the pictures of the parent dogs. Are they tied to hold them still? Are they on a leash but straining against it? (a sign they've never seen one before) Are they behind fences? (the photographer can't bother to take them out and put them in a sit/stay? Dog doesn't know how to do that due to lack of training perhaps?) Don't look at a picture of cute pups on a couch and think "oh, those are in the house." Anyone can grab a bunch of pups and put 'em on the couch for a minute and snap a picture.
Angeldogluvr
Roseville,#20Consumer Comment
Tue, August 07, 2007
In the future, check with the states lisenced broker list. (you can find this list on the state's USDA website) NEVER buy a puppy from a broker. Only directly from the breeder themselves. Never buy a puppy out of parents who have not undergone extensive health testing as per the standards for the breed. (ie PenHip/OFA for hips, eyes, cardiac and elbows. CERF testing for eyes, lots of blood work for thyroid disorders and other blood related disorders.) Look carefully at websites. When a website says, "family raised" but they have 10 females having puppies..umm...just do the math a little bit. Look at the pictures of the parent dogs. Are they tied to hold them still? Are they on a leash but straining against it? (a sign they've never seen one before) Are they behind fences? (the photographer can't bother to take them out and put them in a sit/stay? Dog doesn't know how to do that due to lack of training perhaps?) Don't look at a picture of cute pups on a couch and think "oh, those are in the house." Anyone can grab a bunch of pups and put 'em on the couch for a minute and snap a picture.
Angeldogluvr
Roseville,#21Consumer Comment
Tue, August 07, 2007
In the future, check with the states lisenced broker list. (you can find this list on the state's USDA website) NEVER buy a puppy from a broker. Only directly from the breeder themselves. Never buy a puppy out of parents who have not undergone extensive health testing as per the standards for the breed. (ie PenHip/OFA for hips, eyes, cardiac and elbows. CERF testing for eyes, lots of blood work for thyroid disorders and other blood related disorders.) Look carefully at websites. When a website says, "family raised" but they have 10 females having puppies..umm...just do the math a little bit. Look at the pictures of the parent dogs. Are they tied to hold them still? Are they on a leash but straining against it? (a sign they've never seen one before) Are they behind fences? (the photographer can't bother to take them out and put them in a sit/stay? Dog doesn't know how to do that due to lack of training perhaps?) Don't look at a picture of cute pups on a couch and think "oh, those are in the house." Anyone can grab a bunch of pups and put 'em on the couch for a minute and snap a picture.
Evonne
Rockwall,#22REBUTTAL Owner of company
Sun, August 05, 2007
We still have YET~ to receive ANY~ Vet Documentation from this person,,,& I am sooo GLAD~ that she DID~ Quote Me,,,because as You can see,,,she Only gives a LONG~ winded Storey,,,but YET~ still NEVER~ reads ANY~thing I have to Say!!!! As You ALL~ know~ that in Texas it IS~ very hard to Ship in the Summer,,,and We also have a Shipping page on our Web site that explains this,,,but yet she still go's on & On,,& ON~ about how she thought we were Scamming her,,,but YET~ She could'nt~ ever pull up Weather.com & READ~ it for herself!!??? People like this Annoy~ the heck out of Me,,,when they repeat themselves a million times,,& still do NOT~ listen to a Word Your Saying!!!! So again,,,I would STILL~ like to see proof of Vet Documentation that PROVES~ she had a puppy with Diarea??? Because she DOES~ have our Mailing address as well,,,,but Yet I still do NOT~ Understand WHY~ She can't Mail, OR Fax the Health Guarantee from her Vet to Us,,,So PLEASE~ just ASK~ for this Document from her,,,because I can almost Guarantee~~ You that she NEVER~ even took the puppy to the Vet!! I explained to her, that when you have a puppy shipped, & than on TOP~ of that You switch the Puppies food,,,it can sometimes give them Diarea!! She obviously never~ read up about puppies,,, & the fact that Yes~~ puppies doo get stressed when going into a new home somtimes,,& will occasionally~~get diarea when Shipped, & Foods are switched on top of that!!! But no matter how much I explained this to her,,,it just could'nt Soke in~ for some reason!!??? Anyhow,,,within a week,,yes~ her puppy ended up being just~ fine,,,,with No~ problems obviously!!! And as far as the Phone # problem,,,We had~ just Moved,,,but Our Cell Phone #'s NEVER~ Changed,,,so AGAIN~ ALL~ she had to do,,,was go ONTO~ the Web site,,,& LOOK~ at the Phone Number's posted on our web site!!! Because they WERE~ Correct!! I don't~ understand still~ why this was soo hard for her to do,,or Read??? You can only~ lead a dog to water,,,but you can't force them to drink it................ hummmm.....Anyhow,,,as always we are most defiantly ALWAYS~ here to Help,,,as You can see in the MANY~ emails I tried writting her,,,but as You can SEE,,,,Nothing~~ever soked in her head about any~~thing I had to say!!! Be Blessed, Diamond Acres kennel