Complaint Review: DS Max Cydcor Champion Marketing Venture Marketing - Fairfax Virginia

Socal: Amazing that this company is so great that they hire people who lack the ability to spell, use proper grammar and not type in all caps. Like I said in my original post, how about an income report "Socal Smooth"? What about all the people that have been successful without this company. The thing is, if I say McDonalds is a bad company with a bad product, the company will refute the actual points I made. You can't do that because you are in door-to-door sales of bad products. You resort to name-calling. Do you really think that everybody else only has the opportunity to make $40,000 a year? Since you have licenses in securities, you should be well aware that you could work less hours and be making over $100,000. "If you can do sales, you can do anything" As a licensed professional, you should know that doesn't make any sense. Can you practice medicine or law? Can you teach? The truth is that you so something that anybody could do. Someday you will look back at this and think, "I was really brainwashed". Then you can read my posts and realize how much sense I make. A: Do you how companies work? They look at your qualifications and fit them to the position. Of course they don't care about your qualifications, you don't need any. Think about the other professions where you don't need any qualifications. Name one that has any prestige. If I apply to McDonalds, should I be angry that people that are less qualified than me? I don't care that it is a low quality job, if you want to do that kind of work, then take the job. I have a problem with the whole system being a scam and you glossing over that fact so that you can get to attacking me. Jessica: Everything that I wrote is my personal experience. I had so many interviews during those few days, but I should have seen the warning signs. I think the Day of O was one of the longest days of my life. I met people who were just like Socal and A. It is impossible to talk to people like that; they need a few classes in logic and business. I just want to warn others, but will they listen? BTW, I am happy to be using my qualifications at my current job.

Socal: Amazing that this company is so great that they hire people who lack the ability to spell, use proper grammar and not type in all caps. Like I said in my original post, how about an income report "Socal Smooth"? What about all the people that have been successful without this company. The thing is, if I say McDonalds is a bad company with a bad product, the company will refute the actual points I made. You can't do that because you are in door-to-door sales of bad products. You resort to name-calling. Do you really think that everybody else only has the opportunity to make $40,000 a year? Since you have licenses in securities, you should be well aware that you could work less hours and be making over $100,000. "If you can do sales, you can do anything" As a licensed professional, you should know that doesn't make any sense. Can you practice medicine or law? Can you teach? The truth is that you so something that anybody could do. Someday you will look back at this and think, "I was really brainwashed". Then you can read my posts and realize how much sense I make. A: Do you how companies work? They look at your qualifications and fit them to the position. Of course they don't care about your qualifications, you don't need any. Think about the other professions where you don't need any qualifications. Name one that has any prestige. If I apply to McDonalds, should I be angry that people that are less qualified than me? I don't care that it is a low quality job, if you want to do that kind of work, then take the job. I have a problem with the whole system being a scam and you glossing over that fact so that you can get to attacking me. Jessica: Everything that I wrote is my personal experience. I had so many interviews during those few days, but I should have seen the warning signs. I think the Day of O was one of the longest days of my life. I met people who were just like Socal and A. It is impossible to talk to people like that; they need a few classes in logic and business. I just want to warn others, but will they listen? BTW, I am happy to be using my qualifications at my current job.

Socal: Amazing that this company is so great that they hire people who lack the ability to spell, use proper grammar and not type in all caps. Like I said in my original post, how about an income report "Socal Smooth"? What about all the people that have been successful without this company. The thing is, if I say McDonalds is a bad company with a bad product, the company will refute the actual points I made. You can't do that because you are in door-to-door sales of bad products. You resort to name-calling. Do you really think that everybody else only has the opportunity to make $40,000 a year? Since you have licenses in securities, you should be well aware that you could work less hours and be making over $100,000. "If you can do sales, you can do anything" As a licensed professional, you should know that doesn't make any sense. Can you practice medicine or law? Can you teach? The truth is that you so something that anybody could do. Someday you will look back at this and think, "I was really brainwashed". Then you can read my posts and realize how much sense I make. A: Do you how companies work? They look at your qualifications and fit them to the position. Of course they don't care about your qualifications, you don't need any. Think about the other professions where you don't need any qualifications. Name one that has any prestige. If I apply to McDonalds, should I be angry that people that are less qualified than me? I don't care that it is a low quality job, if you want to do that kind of work, then take the job. I have a problem with the whole system being a scam and you glossing over that fact so that you can get to attacking me. Jessica: Everything that I wrote is my personal experience. I had so many interviews during those few days, but I should have seen the warning signs. I think the Day of O was one of the longest days of my life. I met people who were just like Socal and A. It is impossible to talk to people like that; they need a few classes in logic and business. I just want to warn others, but will they listen? BTW, I am happy to be using my qualifications at my current job.

Response to Lisa: Take a chill pill. You have obviously been suckered into the cultlike propaganda from Cydcor. Remember everything is not about money. Some of the best things in life are for free. Nobody is criticizing every employee in Cydcor. We are just criticizing the system. Take a step back to look at what this is. Cydcor basically tries to recruit sales people so they can eventually train and lead salespeople. Sounds great. But maybe less than 1 percent actually make it to management and then to leader. So there are a lot of false promises. That is what so many people on these boards are frustrated about. I worked for a Cydcor company for 2 months. I quickly became a leader. I was successful at it. But trying to recruit and train 5 other people to follow you to another location is almost impossible considering it is 100 percent commission. I am now an attorney practicing not too far from where I worked at the office for Cydcor. I really have nothing against the experience. But bashing others who may have other bad experiences is useless. My final question: Do you think all the people on this board are delusional and making this up?

yOU ARE A BUNCH OF PEOPLE WHO JUST COULDN'T HACK IT IN THIS WORLD. YOU USE EVERY EXCUSE IN THE BOOK TO MAKE OT LOOK LIKE YOU ARE THE VICTM ,WHEN REALLY ITS JUST THE SIMPLE FACT THAT YOU COULDN'T HACK IT!! iF YOU CAN DO SALES , YOU CAN DO ANYTHING! i WORK FOR A COMPANY OUT OT bOSTON AND ITS NOT STRAIGHT COMMISSION AND i ANM ONLY A lEADER. vERY CLOSE TO AST. GR AND i HAVENT EVEN BEEN THERE AR YEAR!! i WORKED AT FIDELITY INVESTMENTS FOR 4 YEARS BEFORE FINDING THIS JOB. I HAVE MY SERIES 6,63,63 AND 7 AND YOU COULDNT PAY ME ENOUGH TO GO BACK TO CORPRATE AMERICA. LETS FACE IT YOU AND EVERYONE ELSE WHO COMLAINS AND MOANS ABOUT CYDCOR ANR JUST PLAIN OLD LAZY AND WOULD BE BETTER OFF SETTLING FOR A 40,000 A YR JOB IF YOU LUCKY. GOOD LUCK WITH YOUR EXCUSES BECAUSE YOUR GOING TO FIND SMTHG YOU DONT LIKE AT EVERY COMPANY!! sO, YOUR NEVER GOING TO MAKE IT ANY WHERE IN LIFE. WHAT? EVERYTIME YOU FIND SOMETHING YOU DONT LIKE ARE YOU GOING TO QUIT AND COME CRY ABOUT IT ON HERE? WELL HAVE FUN!! i WILL BE MAKING MILLIONS BY THE TIME iAM 35 AND YOU WILL BE NOTHING BUT FULL OF EXCUSES SO KEEP ON CRYING!

Clifton, Thank you for writing this report. Yours is the 2nd one about this company and I'm glad I found it and read it. I am appalled at how a business could be so unethical. I found out about a position with this business at my university's job posting system. I did find it a bit suspicious the job announcement had no detailed descriptions of the position, but went ahead and submitted my resume anyways. I received an e-mail *and* a phone call in the same day, and I set up an initial interview, nothing out of the ordinary. Then I searched the website to learn more about this business prior to going in, and was frustrated at the lack of information about the business and just exactly what they do. Now, I have an degree in a business field and I took marketing in school, but what I read just seemed so bogus and vague. Anyways, this interview is scheduled for an hour from now and I don't even have the desire to go. Although I am curious and I almost want to go just to see how my experience would compare to yours (and the other report I mentioned). So, thank you again for giving me and others out there the warning about this business shady practices. It's appreciated!

Clifton, Well put on all accounts. I could not agree with you more. I had the unfortunate experience as a "day of o" myself, and afterwards felt the same anger and hostility that you express in your posts. I like to think that my four years at Villanova University will pay greater dividends for me legitimately rather than relying on a quick wit and slick deceptive skills to dupe others into buying a shady promotion. Door to door sales is what it is and I have no problem with those who make a living that way, however, the deciept that is so glaringly present in these DS Max type companies is enough to turn anyones stomach. Enjoyed the post, enjoyed the rebuttals, and most of all enjoyed venting some of my own frustration with these so called businesses. My only regret is that I did not find this site before I agreed to the infamous "2nd interview"...

Hard to believe that a Wharton graduate would be involved with DSMAX. Harder yet to believe that a Wharton graduate would admit to it.

Ok I'll call you C. I'll start with telling you, I do have a college degree so I do know the importance and value of education. I also believe that running around selling coupon books is one of the dumbest things imaginable. I am making my judgements about your motives based solely on the impression and implied tone you leave in your post. You went on a Day of Observation with this company, (and believe me, I'm sure you didn't enjoy yourself) and then you start talking about receiving balance sheets from the company. Did you actually work at the company? Do you have a valid reason to be defacing the credibility of this company. I'm sure it's possible the owners could be cruel, heartless human beings, but that's not why you're crying. You are questioning a business model you know nothing about. By the way sir, I would not insult your accomplishments because I don't know what they are. All I know is you graduated from an Ivy League school, good for you. (clap,clap,clap) This idea you have thrown out that material possesions mean nothing when measuring success doesn't answer the question as to why you were even on the interview. You obviously applied to an add that more than likely was preaching pathways to success. They performed a preliminary interview for you in which you probably left thinking, "wow, I can be a manager in such a short period of time. This is GREAT!!!" Then you entered your second round and found out exactly what you were going to be doing. You decided that this definitely wasn't for you, (and there is nothing wrong with that) but then you were upset at the fact that these people didn't care about your education. You weren't getting anywhere faster than these uneducated people that you felt you were so much better than. At the end of the day, this hit you right in the heart. You felt that since you spent all this time at this great school, you were supposed to graduate and have companies throwing themselves at you. Welcome to the real world. However, despite all this mumbo jumbo, I still agree that their are issues with these companies that need to be resolved. Certain practices are unethical and need to be addressed. The greatest part of all is how defensive a person like you gets. Your major point is my spelling and grammar errors. It feels good to know that you soaked it in real nice. There is so much more that I can go into but i'll hold off for now. Good luck with all your endeavors.

Ok I'll call you C. I'll start with telling you, I do have a college degree so I do know the importance and value of education. I also believe that running around selling coupon books is one of the dumbest things imaginable. I am making my judgements about your motives based solely on the impression and implied tone you leave in your post. You went on a Day of Observation with this company, (and believe me, I'm sure you didn't enjoy yourself) and then you start talking about receiving balance sheets from the company. Did you actually work at the company? Do you have a valid reason to be defacing the credibility of this company. I'm sure it's possible the owners could be cruel, heartless human beings, but that's not why you're crying. You are questioning a business model you know nothing about. By the way sir, I would not insult your accomplishments because I don't know what they are. All I know is you graduated from an Ivy League school, good for you. (clap,clap,clap) This idea you have thrown out that material possesions mean nothing when measuring success doesn't answer the question as to why you were even on the interview. You obviously applied to an add that more than likely was preaching pathways to success. They performed a preliminary interview for you in which you probably left thinking, "wow, I can be a manager in such a short period of time. This is GREAT!!!" Then you entered your second round and found out exactly what you were going to be doing. You decided that this definitely wasn't for you, (and there is nothing wrong with that) but then you were upset at the fact that these people didn't care about your education. You weren't getting anywhere faster than these uneducated people that you felt you were so much better than. At the end of the day, this hit you right in the heart. You felt that since you spent all this time at this great school, you were supposed to graduate and have companies throwing themselves at you. Welcome to the real world. However, despite all this mumbo jumbo, I still agree that their are issues with these companies that need to be resolved. Certain practices are unethical and need to be addressed. The greatest part of all is how defensive a person like you gets. Your major point is my spelling and grammar errors. It feels good to know that you soaked it in real nice. There is so much more that I can go into but i'll hold off for now. Good luck with all your endeavors.

Ok I'll call you C. I'll start with telling you, I do have a college degree so I do know the importance and value of education. I also believe that running around selling coupon books is one of the dumbest things imaginable. I am making my judgements about your motives based solely on the impression and implied tone you leave in your post. You went on a Day of Observation with this company, (and believe me, I'm sure you didn't enjoy yourself) and then you start talking about receiving balance sheets from the company. Did you actually work at the company? Do you have a valid reason to be defacing the credibility of this company. I'm sure it's possible the owners could be cruel, heartless human beings, but that's not why you're crying. You are questioning a business model you know nothing about. By the way sir, I would not insult your accomplishments because I don't know what they are. All I know is you graduated from an Ivy League school, good for you. (clap,clap,clap) This idea you have thrown out that material possesions mean nothing when measuring success doesn't answer the question as to why you were even on the interview. You obviously applied to an add that more than likely was preaching pathways to success. They performed a preliminary interview for you in which you probably left thinking, "wow, I can be a manager in such a short period of time. This is GREAT!!!" Then you entered your second round and found out exactly what you were going to be doing. You decided that this definitely wasn't for you, (and there is nothing wrong with that) but then you were upset at the fact that these people didn't care about your education. You weren't getting anywhere faster than these uneducated people that you felt you were so much better than. At the end of the day, this hit you right in the heart. You felt that since you spent all this time at this great school, you were supposed to graduate and have companies throwing themselves at you. Welcome to the real world. However, despite all this mumbo jumbo, I still agree that their are issues with these companies that need to be resolved. Certain practices are unethical and need to be addressed. The greatest part of all is how defensive a person like you gets. Your major point is my spelling and grammar errors. It feels good to know that you soaked it in real nice. There is so much more that I can go into but i'll hold off for now. Good luck with all your endeavors.

Ok I'll call you C. I'll start with telling you, I do have a college degree so I do know the importance and value of education. I also believe that running around selling coupon books is one of the dumbest things imaginable. I am making my judgements about your motives based solely on the impression and implied tone you leave in your post. You went on a Day of Observation with this company, (and believe me, I'm sure you didn't enjoy yourself) and then you start talking about receiving balance sheets from the company. Did you actually work at the company? Do you have a valid reason to be defacing the credibility of this company. I'm sure it's possible the owners could be cruel, heartless human beings, but that's not why you're crying. You are questioning a business model you know nothing about. By the way sir, I would not insult your accomplishments because I don't know what they are. All I know is you graduated from an Ivy League school, good for you. (clap,clap,clap) This idea you have thrown out that material possesions mean nothing when measuring success doesn't answer the question as to why you were even on the interview. You obviously applied to an add that more than likely was preaching pathways to success. They performed a preliminary interview for you in which you probably left thinking, "wow, I can be a manager in such a short period of time. This is GREAT!!!" Then you entered your second round and found out exactly what you were going to be doing. You decided that this definitely wasn't for you, (and there is nothing wrong with that) but then you were upset at the fact that these people didn't care about your education. You weren't getting anywhere faster than these uneducated people that you felt you were so much better than. At the end of the day, this hit you right in the heart. You felt that since you spent all this time at this great school, you were supposed to graduate and have companies throwing themselves at you. Welcome to the real world. However, despite all this mumbo jumbo, I still agree that their are issues with these companies that need to be resolved. Certain practices are unethical and need to be addressed. The greatest part of all is how defensive a person like you gets. Your major point is my spelling and grammar errors. It feels good to know that you soaked it in real nice. There is so much more that I can go into but i'll hold off for now. Good luck with all your endeavors.

A, you have totally missed the point. There is no reason to be jealous of an "owner" who cannot prove their success and makes false claims. I mention my education as a credibility issue. I have studied business and what angers me is that what these companies have done is a perversion of our economic system. In America, we have the opportunity to go into business and fulfill our dreams. Companies are supposed to add value to our society in exchange for money. Business leaders are people that should be admired because they make a difference. They are not to be viewed with jealousy. They are examples of how capitalism makes our society better and that ingenuity advances civilization. You point out that people who don't have an education are successful. That's fine. Did any of my suggestions on how to become financially independent require education beyond what could be achieved through independent study? Then you call my education "worthless". I find a great deal of worth in knowing when to use "who" and when to use "whom", how to spell pertinent, that there is no "liar" in hilarious, that Ivy League should be capitalized and that a question should not end with a period. Will being able to communicate intelligently make me rich? It might help, but it will probably not be the deciding factor. Maybe I should have skipped school to sell drugs or just become a pimp. At least I could be honest about taking advantage of others. Even better, I wouldn't need to go to your house to pitch my services. Many people from my class went on to teach in underprivileged schools or to do medical research. They may not be rich, but I considered those people to be successful. Much more successful then somebody who has profited through dishonesty or even inherited their wealth. In over a page of writing I mention my education twice. In one paragraph you have used the phrase "good school" or "Ivy League" 4 times. You even say that people like me are "a dime a dozen" and then proceed to insult me based on nothing more than my education. I am thoroughly impressed by your amazing ability. The fact that I have worked hard in school and bettered myself through education is somehow a negative to you. I also exercise regularly. Should I not take pride in that simply because many others do the same thing? Maybe I should feel bad about myself because other people exercise less and are stronger than me. While you insult me for my accomplishments, I would prefer to learn from you in the areas that you are better than me. I am not talking about how to butcher the English language. For example, I'm not a very good long distance runner. Please teach me how to insult the running skills of others. Should I call their skills worthless or should I point out that my BMW is more efficient? Maybe I should point out that being a good runner will not guarantee success in other areas. The reason I mention what car I drive is because I bought the car with the profits of a business I ran in high school. According to your logic, my education has no value while my possessions make me successful. My possessions and the money in my bank account are not important. Being intelligent, acting with integrity and making a contribution to society are much more important than a giant home or a car with an unnecessary amount of horsepower. From what I understand about Brandon's post, he is pointing out the dishonesty. Their living situation is their business. They are free to live in a tiny apartment with the maximum amount of people that their landlord will legally allow. When they are doing this out of necessity, it proves that they are lying about how great the opportunity has been for them. These people don't own anything. They are legally liable and are financially exposed to the profit/loss. There is a big difference between their arrangement and your typical small business owner. One of the differences is that I respect the small business owner. Jealousy is not the issue. You can't help but criticize my motives. I can't help but criticize your lack of reading comprehension, horrible communication skills, lack of business knowledge, disdain for education and your need to post a message without making a valid point.

Firstly, there is other reasons why owners live with guys and it doesn't have to do with helping to pay the rent, rent isn't that expensive and they can definitely afford it, however I still dont' think it should happen regardless. Very true, it raises a ton of question marks about the business as well as who in their right mind lives like that. It's just disgusting and pathetic. Owners still do it after years and it's obvious they have the money to live normal they just choose not to. Clifton, It's very interesting how much of what you are writing about is true in many offices. These companies have terrible recruiting practices, use unethical practices to condition their employees, and your whole paragraph about alienation from family and friends is on the money. And yes, these sort of companies need to be stopped from these practices. However, I can't help but criticize your motives here. You mention your ivy league education multiple times, how is that pertinant to the post. It seems you have a feeling of jealousy for the people who run these businesses. You went to a good college and expected to come out of school and be on top of the world. And what is hiliarious is how angry you get when you finish school and see reality. These people who are less scholastically educated then you, ARE more successful than you. That is why you are spending time interviewing at their companies. Guys like you are a dime a dozen, go to a good school and get overly cocky about your future. Now it's time to face reality, In the long run of life, your ivy league education is worthless. You are going to come across thousands upon thousands of people that are more successful than you that went to average colleges or maybe never attend college at all.

Yeah, good point. These guys are leeches. All the arguments you make below arent allowed to be said in their meetings, or during atmosphere. They make it all hush hush. I remember a story on Sara Beth King, on how rich she is. A group of people went on a business trip to her place, and guess what? She had like 5 people living with her to make up the rent. Its pretty pathetic. KSL Concepts is just like that. Ken Lear has to live with employees to make up rent. That throws a big "?" on the business. I remember a story where a "high roller" wanted to get Thanksgiving weekend off. This guy, who I saw personally, was making like 200 dollars a day. this was the top seller. He was even living with the KSL owner , but the owner kicked him out because he went home to see his family for Thanksgiving, which, he hardly ever sees his family. Of course, the situation was told to me by another, but its no lie that he made about 200 dollars a day, and he was fired right after thanksgiving of last year. I was in that office. Hows that for business ethics?