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  • Report:  #348545

Complaint Review: Farmers Insurance Group Aka-Earl Wooton & Carrie Holloway-AgentsKen Hoffman-Adjuster - Fort Smith Arkansas

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- Rogers, Arkansas,
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Farmers Insurance Group Aka-Earl Wooton & Carrie Holloway-AgentsKen Hoffman-Adjuster
2221 Fianna Oaks Dr. Fort Smith, 72908 Arkansas, U.S.A.
Phone:
800-435-7764
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I & My Wife bought a Minivan at our bank First National in Mountain Home,AR. We had it financed so we needed to have Full coverage Insurance. So we did this first through Affordable Ins. Co. in Mtn.,Home,AR Then we moved to Springfield,MO. And had Full Coverage Insurance Through American Family Ins. Then we Moved to Fort Smith,AR and went to Earl Wooton/Carrie Holloway the local agents there! We explained that the bank had the titles to our Chevy Venture Minivan and my F-150 Ford truck as colleteral on the loan for the Minivan and that we just moved and had to have Full Coverage Insurance on both vehecles as our bank insisted on this as part of the loan agreement. I showed them the proof of insurance that we had through American Family and Affordable Ins. Companys and told Farmers that we wanted the same Insurance as we had at American Family! The agent Earl Wooton had his secretary do the paper work This was feb 2008 so we asked for the decluration papers as to our deductions Etc. Carrie Holloway said she would mail them to us we did not recieve them in Feb.,and or March So i called the agent and they said they must have been lost in the mail so then on April the ninth 2008 We had a bad hail storm in Fort Smith,AR. I put in a claim and an adjuster came out a Mr. Ken Hoffman i was not home so my wife told him to please wait as i was on my way home he replied i can not wait i seen the Minivan i will come back next week to look at the truck which he did not so after several attempts to get someone to come out again to look at the truck, I got angry and the agent told me just to fax the adjuster Ken Hoffman the estimates which i did on 05/07/2008 I then called the 1-800-help point number(800-435-7764 to make sure that Mr. Hoffman recieved the Estimates which they confirmed that he did! After not hearing from anyone in a few more weeks i called the Agent and Farmers At the 1-800-help point number. All of a sudden no one heard of Mr. Hoffman And Earl Wooton's secertary Carrie Holloway quit so now they have both disapered. But the agent Earl Wooton was still there and now he will not talk to me so i called Farmers and now they are saying that we only had liability Ins., But Carrie Holloway called my banks loan officer MS. Gale Moore! Who is now the Vice President of the bank and Carrie Holloway confirmed to Gale that we had Full coverage on both the Minivan and Truck! As i am a Vietnam era disabled veteran and my wife is disabled as she has Cerebral Palsy we are both on fixed incomes and we have no extra money to attain an Attorney! So we are at a loss i tried to complain to the Arkansas Insurance Dept. But nothing became of that! We have been lied to and cheated By a large Coporation and also given the run around by Farmers who even sent another Adjuster out in June, A Mr. Jon Pattyson he was at a loss as after he inspected both our Minivan And my Truck he started to caculate everything and then he told me that it showed that we only had liabilty and that Farmers should not have sent him out if this was true so he had no idea why he was at our house and why he was told by Farmers that we were fully covered for our losses! This is very sad that people can get away with this and especially to an American who has served his country and a couple that are both disabled! As Farmers knows that we will never be able to go after them as the agent knows that we are both disabled and on fixed incomes! What really gets me is we were paying more at Farmers than at American Family for the same coverage but then found out it was more money for less. Which by the bank we had to have full coverage as it is in the loan agreement and if we did not have full coverage we would have had to have it through our bank these people lied to our banks loan department and to the Vice President of the bank as well as to us! I have all documents and everything else except the declarations papers! And we can not do anything about it or get any help with this matter! Sincerely A Disgusted Vietnam Era Vet!

Stephen

Rogers, Arkansas

U.S.A.

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Derrick

Alma,
Arkansas,
U.S.A.
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#2Consumer Suggestion

Mon, June 01, 2009

Dear sir, I do not wish to comments specifically on your matter but I will comment on the nature of this problem and how you may avoid. It I know Earl and Carrie personally and find them not only to be very good professionals but some of the hardest working insurance agents in the area. I do know Carrie has moved on and it was do to no ill effect she has had on the agency. Earl himself is a compitent business man and was former business owner out of state. Your responcibilities that you have when you get a insurance policy is simple get your policy. Your bank would not have settled for just a phone call they would have got what farmers calls a evidence of Insurance for lean holders intrest. Or they may refer to this as a declarations or a binder. They would not have settled for a phone call because they are required to confirm this with paper work. They should have a copy of what you need in order to prove your point to the Farmers Insurance Adjuster who would then question the agency on this. If there was a mistake on the Agents Part he has insurance to cover his liability on this matter. But what happens more times than not is people come in claiming to be on fixed incomes but purchasing vehicles way out of there price range even sometimes recreational autos like motorcycles but then only request "what the state wants them to have" which is not full coverage. Don't get me wrong I could be wrong about your case and this could be the one mistake that Earl or Carrie has made in a fairly long career of excellent business ownership but I doubt it. Clues that tell me you would be this type of customer are in your complaint. You are trying to appease to what some people would call our emotions by mentioning your vetranship and thank you for all you have done in the past for our country. Earl is the type of person if you approach him in the right manner he would most certainly pay for the damages out of his pocket. I know the generousity that him and his staff have. But I am guessing only that your sense of entitlement portrayed in your complaint hides your own guilt. I have worked in the area you are speaking of the area is a upper to mid class city and state who for the past 10 years has had a falling out of manufacturing jobs being sent overseas and to Mexico. The area itself breeds this entitlement mantality in a very large portion of the area. IF you don't believe me go into a local resturant or to the mall sit at any booth and wait. The people here will argue and complain about anything and everything to get whatever they can free and they almost always have a "sob story". As for this situation to avoid this insist on your dec pages. GO the next day and pick them up I know that we cant predict computer problems but I guarentee they can print up at least a binder which will have the information you need. Next how much time past before you checked your insurance. You got the insurance in Febuary but didnt think to get it the next day. Your bank force places you on a very expensive insurance if you do not get your own thats why people don't just let the bank deal with it because they will and you won't like it. So this tells me one of 2 things your bank did get accurate paper work and you went in and changed the coverage later when you did not think the bank was paying attention or you brought in your paper work and bought a new car and did not figure in the insurance till you had already bought the car.Theres a application you have to sign from Farmers Its called the memorandum of insurance and the first page for the form in the state of Arkansas is the coverage in black and white on the first page. Really sir the excuse that you don't have money for a attorney makes me question this whole thing. I live in Fort Smith and every other commercial on TV is an attorney who just loves insurance cases telling the world you dont have to pay a dime if they don't win. Just google Nolan Cadell and REynolds. What probably happened is you went to an attourney they told you you have no case because they see the holes I see in your story and think as I do that in court it doesnt matter if you are a vet. you still have certain responcibilities to tend too such as your own satisfaction with your insurance policy. Either way I would suggest that you take some responcibility read your paper work and make copies everytime you can. See because at Farmers they have this great system that requires them to image in that application you signed before they can even start a real policy which means you would have had at least a policy you could have looked at before you agreed to the coverage. And Since I know they have a good working copy machine at Farmers there would have been no reason for you not to request a copy of that for further study later that night even. Or how about the next day seems something that important would be worth making sure you had the correct documentation even if through some fluke your bank was not on the ball and protecting there asset in your loan. Do not leave your insurance office with out documentation. Period . I think most of us here would know that and I am suprised that someone old enough to be a Vet. Would be that wreckless. Either way thank you for your service and next time. Don't tell your insurance agent you want the cheapest coverage you can get and maybe next time you won't get the cheapest coverage he can give you.

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