Complaint Review: Ingenio - Keen psychics - Internet

Beware of Angelbaby of light aka "Angelica."  She is a con artist. She is the most emotionally manipulative and destructive psychic I have ever encountered. She is really deluded about her psychic ability. She strings you along with false hope and all kinds of promises and guarantees. NOTHING good comes out of talking to her.

She doesn't just waste your money, she puts you through the worst kind of emotional devastation. She leads you to make bad decisions in your life so your situation gets even worse. Then you are even more hooked on talking to her because she is the only one who understands.

She tells you stories about other clients who had to wait a long time to see her predictions manifest and how much they suffered while they were waiting. So you hope and believe maybe it will work out for you too. She knows it causes people suffering, she freely admits that, but she tells you it is worth it to keep waiting.

Not one prediction she made for me ever came to pass. She just gives a lot of false hope and wrong information. She just goes off of what you tell her.

Don't buy into all the positive feedback on her listings. Read her feedback very carefully. The same people keep calling her every few days, and she gives them the same predictions over and over for months. They sound deluded.

She pressured me for positive feedback. She uses guilt and manipulation to stop you from leaving honest feedback. She tells you that it will hurt her business and her family will starve. She tells you it is bad karma to leave a negative and something bad will happen to you if you do.

I feel instead that it would be wrong NOT to warn people about her. She gets negative feedback removed, so it whitewashes her reputation. She told me she doesn't deserve ANY negative feedback. She thinks she is innocent, no matter how wrong she is, or how much she hurts you.

...and the "psychics" know it.

@ AnnaMae - Columbus (United States of America) -- you obviously have an investment of some sort, even if only emotional/psychological, in defending the scam known as "phone psychics", but what you've written stands up only as a study in how entrenched in irrational thinking a person can be, how ecah bit of circular logic winds back up at the the lie they tell others and probably tell themselves as well.

The scammers who keep lists of callers that they've labeled "bashers" are indefensible. They trade information about paying clients and stew in their nasty attitudes and petty resentments, projecting their inner poison and illness out onto the vulnerable fools who've walked into the scam on Keen or some other psychic line.

You state that you _can't see_ the sense in the assessment made by a previous consumer that "They're not capable of working and they're on welfare but they can manipulate intelligent people out of thousands of dollars over the phone?"

What's so hard to get about that? There are a lot of reasons that manipulative people, scammers, leeches, and con artists "can't"/won't get legitimate job, yet are successful at ripping off intelligent people.

"Intelligent" doesn't atomatically mean that the person is not emotionally vulnerable, needy, or fearful ...and the leeches passing themselves off "advisors"  play on that, wheedling and twisting... Why does someone scam instead of using what sense or skill they have for a legitiimate purpose??... that question is as old as the hills, hon, and it varies from person to person: the sick power

charge gotten from lying/scamming; laziness; mental illness; a stay-at-home (but can work a home phone just fine); no green card; illegal immigrant; the lure of quickie cash; low self-esteem; problems with authority/time  clocks -- those are some of the reasons that people who COULD have a real job choose to be phone psychic scammers, instead.  reasons/excuses that are sick and pathetic, but justification enough, to them.

You asked of the previous commentor "Who are you to decide what other people should be doing for work?"... News flash: members of a civilized society do have stadards about what is legitimate employment.  The con artists like phone psychics (though many couldn't be called "artists"), are like the fleas and cockroaches of that society...  sSare us the phony ingigndation about what  hard work it is to scam people out of their money. There's no doubt that lying and manipulating is a stress to anyone who still has a conscience, but no one made you go that low.

Hope you have had good luck in putting your scamming behind you.

I had several calls with him during a time in my life where I was confused and I was new to using psychic online. During the calls I had with him, everytime when my time was almost up, he would always say: "wait but... wait I have something to say". In a way this will leave me wanting to call back to find out what it was. Then he would email me supposedly with new updates. When I would try to contact him, I would see him online, then as soon as I clicked to call, he would become unavailable in order to change the price quickly, then email to let me know he was ready. Yeah ready and more expensive. Then I just stopped. I saw this happening like often thats when I finally saw the pattern that just didn't seem right to me. I hated when he would keep me on the phone and not getting straight to the point. Anyway once I realized this guy lacked integrity and was false, I finally stopped and blocked his email. Watch out! Don't call him!!

"...The psychics have the option to form and join groups, whereby they share information about callers. There is also a forum for psychics, although keen does not provide one for the callers. It is a shame, since a forum would be of great help, for keen as well as the callers, instead of callers having to turn to the wild, wild Internet to expose keen's unethical tactics,
etc."

As a former reader at Keen, I can tell you that the groups exist for promotional purposes: Someone starts a group, other people join, and the founder promotes them in exchange for a percentage of their group call revenue. That's all it is...there's no treehouse where they swap notes or bash callers. During my time there I never saw anything like this information sharing you speak of, and if it happens at all, it would have to be between readers who know each other off-Keen in the first place. As far as the forum goes, it's heavily moderated and there's no information allowed that could identify a client. 99% of the psts there are reports of site glitches and the rest are small talk and humorous anecdotes NOT involving callers.

"***** Also worth mentioning is the blog "KEENBASHERS", run by a keen employee or psychic, which lists names of "undesirable" callers and details about how they rate the psychics on keen. *****"

A small percentage of callers ARE "undesirable"...I've had perverts, stalkers and people who only stayed on long enough to say "hello" and then hung up and left nasty feedback. I wish that blog had existed when I was at Keen. You have this platform to vent about Keen...why shouldn't the readers there have a platform as well? Why one rule for them and another for everybody else?

"I've also conducted interviews with former psychics who have been very honest some told me their welfare checks did not cut it, it was easy to take advantage of people, they also told me that many on Keen are in the same position, they possess little or no education, can only do menial type work and will do whatever it takes to supplement their income. Those psychics who give false hope time and time again are more than likely on some kind of state aid, can't work, don't want to work and have learned at a very young age to scam...we could all be phone psychics tomorrow, hearing that they are not capable of working and contributing to society rang true, many of them only do readings for a living and they are the ones complaining about government while they are sucking the life out of it on welfare....Some of you calling may possess good educations and jobs, things these psychics can only dream of and feel justified that you can afford to pay them to listen to nonsense. "

They're not capable of working and they're on welfare but they can manipulate intelligent people out of thousands of dollars over the phone? Not sure where you're getting this "information" but it makes no sense whatsoever. 

"I was told by a real psychic that one of the above mentioned actually does believe now that she is a psychic, she does not contribute to society except to sit on phones all day. Why then not do telemarketing? IF she cannot go out and work, she can certainly do a telemarketing job....It is time you took back your own lives and let these people be responsible for theirs and go out and work for a living like everyone else."

Who are you to decide what other people should be doing for work? And a phone psychic gig IS work, make no mistake about it. You have to study your craft for years, be it cards or whatever, and you're interrupted at odd times in your home by people with romantic obsessions towards other people who want nothing to do with them (but they don't want to actually HEAR that. Truth, no matter how tactful, will get you bad feedback here), women who want you to tell them if they're pregnant instead of buying a pregnancy test (in spite of the site rules about not giving medical advice), people who are stepping out on their spouse with their ex and want to know if either one is "cheating", the aforementioned perverts, stalkers, and malicious types, people who expect you to be an all-seeing God and say you're fake if you're not, and people who don't stay on long enough for you to get a sentence out (they'll blame you for that, too), and mentally disturbed people that you're really not in a position to help...just keep hotline numbers handy. The list goes on. It's not all of them, a lot of callers are great people and a joy to read for, but you get the idea. You have to be a bit of a psychologist and confessor-priest, stay on your toes...and develop a very thick skin. Try it if you doubt me.

One of the Psychics on this site named Master Psychic Matthew will deliberately ask questions and use all sorts of tactics to delay the conversation and will try to keep you on the line as long as possible. If you hand up, he then writes back asking why the hang up and insist on calling back as he has importnat details to share. This important detail is held back during the first 3 or 4 minutes of he conversation. He has many callers who have reported this in his feedback response.

I agree with the original poster. I often see, in the feedback comments, where callers were told the same "predictions", and even where different psychics will read the same pre-formatted "prediction" to their callers - this is based on what callers note in the feedback sections, which is helpful to other callers before they even waste their time and money. Also, there are psychics on there with more than one alias, but posing as different people.

Regarding sharing information, this is also true. The psychics have the option to form and join groups, whereby they share information about callers. There is also a forum for psychics, although keen does not provide one for the callers. It is a shame, since a forum would be of great help, for keen as well as the callers, instead of callers having to turn to the wild, wild Internet to expose keen's unethical tactics,
etc. 

***** Also worth mentioning is the blog "KEENBASHERS", run by a keen employee or psychic, which lists names of "undesirable" callers and details about how they rate the psychics on keen. *****

Sometimes, the psychics will blatantly give away the fact that they've been given information about you - I had one psychic say to me "you were born on a good day, lucky numbers", which is true, the numbers in my birth date and year are commonly considered to be lucky numbers - which I'd told to other psychics, but not her! And no, she wasn't being gifted, as the reading she told me was also read to other callers, as I learned from going over her feedback later. This woman also snickered to herself as we were getting off the phone - which other psychics had also done, in a way that indicated to me "you're so naive". (*BUT IT'S NOT JUST KEEN WHERE PSYCHICS SHARE INFORMATION ABOUT CALLERS - THEY ALSO DO IT ON CELEBRITYPSYCHIC.COM - where they have a small community of the same psychics over and over - some of them also read on Keen - AND PSYCHICPOWER.COM - BOTH RUN BY A COMPANY CALLED 'THE ZODIAC GROUP', and they are also pretty good about taking you as a joke).

The aforementioned keen psychic (who was given my birth date by another psychic or psychics) also tried to sell me some "spiritual work", which you will find often on keen. Just tell them you'll "pray about it" (unless they can prove they're able to help you better than God can!) and get back to them. And then never bother with them again.

I've even had a keen psychic TAKE A CALL ON ANOTHER PHONE while she was on the reading with me!

And beware when a psychic keeps you on the phone forever. Do not feel bad to simply hang up the phone on them. They are not trying to do you any favor by sucking up your funds until the "you have 1-minute remaining" indicator chimes in, so don't bother being "too polite" not to hang up or otherwise end the call with them. They are not concerned about you!

COPY AND PASTED this very truthful post from RIP-OFF REPORT.COM
[I belonged to a group which conducted many interviews over the past 2 years regarding psychics in general. They are popping up everywhere now because let's face it, we all need money. Keen is dangerous because anyone can proclaim themself a psychic. What I have learned is that very few actually have skills. The above mentioned I have talked to and none to anything except beg for more calls. 'DM' sends clients emails each and every day, talking of spirit and she knows, etc. She just wants the calls people, I've also conducted interviews with former psychics who have been very honest some told me their welfare checks did not cut it, it was easy to take advantage of people, they also told me that many on Keen are in the same position, they possess little or no education, can only do menial type work and will do whatever it takes to supplement their income. Those psychics who give false hope time and time again are more than likely on some kind of state aid, can't work, don't want to work and have learned at a very young age to scam. The best bet is to visit a psychic in person who has been recommended, not any of the above mentioned, please. One is extremely convincing but it is part of her scam, we could all be phone psychics tomorrow, hearing that they are not capable of working and contributing to society rang true, many of them only do readings for a living and they are the ones complaining about government while they are sucking the life out of it on welfare. But keep this in mind, if a psychic talks about a relationship over and over and tells you a fairytale over and over, that is not a psychic. That is a person desperate for your money.

The way they treat each other is disgusting as well. I'll bet if any of you calling every saw these people in person you would run. Please take the advice and do not call them unless it is for entertainment.  The worst ones who will tell you whatever you want to hear and keep you calling back are:

These were the worse, in one instance a woman was told her ex was coming back and he had passed away a year before, if the woman telling her was psychic, wouldn't she have known that?  These people will take and take, they are the takers of the world, they believe something or someone owes them and they do whatever it takes to get what they believe is their due.

Some of you calling may possess good educations and jobs, things these psychics can only dream of and feel justified that you can afford to pay them to listen to nonsense. I was told by a real psychic that one of the above mentioned actually does believe now that she is a psychic, she does not contribute to society except to sit on phones all day. Why then not do telemarketing? IF she cannot go out and work, she can certainly do a telemarketing job.

Because she doesn't collect money per minute, that is why. Please bear this stuff in mind, some of these people are immoral, unethical and have no regard for human life other than their own and their scams will have you believe they care, they are spiritual, they love you, etc. Especially if you get constant emails from them, telling you when they are on, or little supportive messages about sprits bringing you your dreams, forget it, don't listen. It is time you took back your own lives and let these people be responsible for theirs and go out and work for a living like everyone else.]

So while the joke may be on us (callers), when you really look at it, we do not have it so bad, after all, that we have to scam people for money. So let them laugh...and learn what you can from it.

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Many of these people who call themselves psychics and say they are talking to "spirits" of the dead are in fact talking to unclean angels/demons or Satan himself. These entities pretend to be good but are in fact deceiving even the the people they talk through. If you would like to know how I know this, it's all in the Bible. Please take the time to watch the following video and you will be shocked to see just how badly you'd been duped. I know how it is, because I'd been there myself. Devil is good at his game. You should watch the whole video in order to make sense of it. The truth will set you free.

www. youtube .com/watch?v=bWV188cEg58

You'll need to remove the spaces before and after the word "youtube" I do not know if the linkwill show up if I post it the right way if it still doesn't show up you can search for this video on Youtube yourself. It's titled:

222 - Pr. Walter J. Veith (Total Onslaught) - The Mystic Realm Of Death