Complaint Review: JOHN BECK MENTORING OF AMERICA TAX CLUB MANHATTEN PROFESSIONAL GROUP JOHN ALEXANDER - AMERICAN FORK Utah

Stop talking to these idiots and just pull the trigger. File all the suggested complaints and mention everything in each complaint I told you to mention. Include copies of your credit card statements with charges highlighted, print out a bunch of other complaints on this site and highlight the different prices every person has paid like I have suggested. This is to prove that they charge people based on credit limits for the same 10 John Beck coaching calls of 30 minutes each and a few software Cd's. Tape record any further contact over the phone with them. Just stop talking to these idiots and go file the complaints. It's only going to further anger you and waste your time. Go file the complaints and say in each one exactly what I have suggested. Report back and keep me updated.

THAT JERK!!! He Told me that the seminar does cost $5,000.00. Thats why they were being nice to offer that back because I didn't go.. I didn't settle for that. They owe me $15,530.00. That's not counting the interest I'm paying on the credit cards, medical bills, or all the time spent trying to get my money back from these low-lives.. That Steven thinks he's God or a Judge. He said he can't help me and he's going to hang up.. I hope they all get theirs in the end... Steven did give me another number for josh kabes, I called but he was out to lunch? I'm calling back right now...435-627-1825.. Oh I told them to mail my so-called paperwork back & copy of the tape. He can't do that..I was just told that josh and whoever takes a 3 hour lunch. I had called the first time an hour and a 1/2 ago..It's 10 to 2 there now.I'm 2 hours ahead in NJ.Of course he's still at lunch.. Well I tried again. LUNCH! BULL! It's 3:00 their time. They would sell their own mother, for a buck. I still can't believe this is happening!!! I'll try again Thursday. Tomorrow my son is coming home on leave. I will keep this up dated.. Debra

A lady named Karen Johnson of Mentoring of America might try to hand you a partial refund as she has attempted to do with several of the other people I helped get their full money back. She will claim that a sizable portion of you refund of hundreds or sometimes thousands is theirs to keep for a fake "shipping, processing, and administrative fee" which does not exist. She will try to intimindate you into accepting her handout and letting her keep a portion of your cash. Don't allow this to happen. Just keep fighting and you will get it all back. Filing the Utah compliant with Ao Pauga and a bunch of other complaints with the BBB, FTC, and SEC for example, will set Karen Johnson straight and she will then issue a full refund. Do not drop any disputes with any agency if she asks you. When you refunds go through, please give me a prices total including any money you get from those other affiliate companies, so that I can add this to my revenge tally.

These people should be in jail..Tammy is the one I got to talk to wed.. same stuff other people said they were told. To much bull to go into.. She offered $5,000 back only because I couldn't afford to go to the seminar.. I guess they charge that much for a seminar.. I was told I have till this coming wed the 18th to let them know.. I called back later that day.. But I was told she wasn't at her desk. I told that girl to tell her I called.. Of course she didn't call me back.. On the 18th my son is coming home on leave.. I'm not ruining that day, I will call her again tomorrow. I was so mad & upset I had to take something for my heart to calm down.. I've been getting about 3 hours of sleep. GOOD NEWS! -- A Mr. Jason Baum from the Tax Club had called and left a message on the phone to call him. I was sleeping than because earlier I took my heart pill. It knocks you out for a few hours.. He called back that same night.. We were on the phone for over an hour.. No yelling no screaming. He was very nice.. He helped me a lot.. Because of Mr. Baum, I'm getting most of my money back that the other companies charged me.. Tax Club, MPG bookkeeping, Advantage corp services. The Advantage corp services is keeping a little more than I like, but to be fair they did a lot of paperwork setting up a company for me.. Which I did receive the work.. So on the end of that problem (those 3 companies) I'm happy.. So if Mr.Jason Baum is reading this by chance.. Thank You very very much!! I also want to Thank the person who is helping me on this report. Doing the tallying and what steps to take.. Thank You so much.. I will fight with those low lives until it's done..I wish their office was around here, I would be there every day, until I got my money back.. You can't have a soul if you can do this to people. I will keep everyone posted.. GOOD LUCK TO EVERYONE IN THIS NIGHTMARE.

Here is a person that got their money back from The Tax Club: www.ripoffreport.com/reports/ripoff212166.htm And here are a bunch more complaints against The Tax Club: www.ripoffreport.com/results.asp?q1=ALL&q5=the+tax+club&submit2=Search%21&q4=&q6=&q3=&q2=&q7=&searchtype=0 Debra, The way I would try to get my money back form those other affiliate companies is by clearly stating in each one of your complaints that Mentoring of America sold them your personal information without your knowledge, permission, or consent. Make this point very clear in each one of your complaints.

YET MORE FORMER MENTORING OF AMERICA EMPLOYEES SPEAK 10/28/2006 - Michelle writes: Actually this was my third, and last week, working with "Mentoring of America", llc. There is no John Beck Real Estate Office. What everyone says is true. Working there, I call people and try to qualify them. Anyone that is willing to tell you their financial situation is qualified if you have credit. I am a real estate agent. I went there hoping it was legit. It's not. The place is just very sleazy. Most of the workers there are drug addicts. They are just the scumiest lowlifes you can think of. I believe in ethics and customer service and this dump is just the opposite. The "star" salesman is Bobby []. He's an ex-con that got out of jail about six months ago for nonpayment of child support. He comes to work high. He's completely unethical and will say literally anything to get a sale. He lies through his teeth. The Chaz guy someone referred to is Charles [], a 21 year old boy. He has never had any schooling, but is quite a charmer. He also lies pathologically and tells customers he has Beck houses and employees, when he actually still lives with his mom but drives a Benz thanks to all of you. Then there's Debbie, a 53 year old meth addict with the maturity of a kindergartener before naptime. I hate her. She rifles though other's desks and listens to other's phone messages to steal their "deals". They never refer to people as people. The refer to them as "eight pounders" for those that spend 8000, and so on. 12 G's is a "12 pounder". When they are talking to customers, they actually make fun of how stupid they are and laugh like idiots. Bobby is shameless. They lie so much it's nauseating. These losers are taking your hard earned money. Please do not buy. I intend to turn them into the real estate division for calling themselves a real estate office and the commission. I hope they get raided and shut down. They are located in an almost abondoned building in Las Vegas. They don't use computers and have no paper trail at all. The people in my office aren't even rude, compared to the main office in Utah. You should hear what people on my call list say about the Utah offices. There's three of those. The Florida address is a post box. Please don't buy from these scumbags . And here is yet another former worker of Mentoring of America give us all a behind the scenes look of what goes on there and who the owners are. www.ripoffreport.com/reports/ripoff243872.htm

TYLER TRUMAN IS A CON. HIS FORMER MENTORING OF AMERICA CO-WORKER AND FRIEND BRYAN BUTTAS WAS JAILED FOR INSURANCE FRAUD IN LATE 2005: That same TYLER TRUMAN you speak of is a con artist. He has at least two different complaints against him on this site from other people he scammed the same way. I have exposed both him and his former co-worker on this website. TYLER TRUMAN is a sales manager there and sells this garbage program for three infomercial gurus, Jeff Paul, John Beck, and John Alexander. One of the persons TYLER TRUMAN scammed was a pregnant woman from Orlando, Florida. TYLER left her stuck with a huge monthly credit card bill that she could barely afford to pay. I personally guided her step by step in getting her money back. TYLER TRUMAN scammed her for $14,695. She came to this website desperately pleading for help. I helped her get every single penny back after this idiot turned down her request for a refund after her fed her a bunch of BS lies to get her to buy. Read more about this lady below. Mentoring of America has numerous office throughout Utah. You can see the lowly TYLER TRUMAN himself speak on this news report video about his friend's disappearance. He's that blond haired punk in the video: Copy and paste link: http://kutv.com/topstories/local_story_282184920.html Here is more on the story of TYLER'S friend with TYLER TRUMAN himself speaking: www.abc4.com/mediacenter/default.aspx?videoId=21904 TYLER TRUMAN works at this office. This is where the people you are speaking with on the phone are at: TYLER TRUMAN and his cohorts work here: Mentoring of America LLC 204 East Playa Delia Rosita #6 Washington Utah 84780 U.S.A. Phone: 435-627-1825 Fax: 435-627-1800 He's a blond haired 30 year old punk sales manager at this particular Mentoring of America office. He lives in Saint George, Utah with his wife Cicely. He's been working there for several years now. He charges every person a different price that varies by the thousands based on people's credit limits for the same 10 half hour John Beck coaching calls or the same Jeff Paul program. This if fraud. I am going to turn this guy's info and complaints over to Utah investigator Ao Pauga. TYLER TRUMAN cheats people by charging each person a different price depending on the credit limit of their cards that vary by many thousands of dollars each for the same thing. He gets people to charge up thousands with money they don't have and leaves them stuck. TYLER TRUMAN feeds people all types of BS lies to get them to buy. Then when they want their money back, he refuses under any circumstances. TYLER TRUMAN'S FRIEND BRYAN BUTTAS JAILED FOR INSTURANCE FRAUD IN 2005: A former Mentoring of America employee and personal friend of TYLER TRUMAN was thrown in jail for insurance fraud in late 2005 facing a possible 15 year prison sentence. TYLER'S friend BRYAN BUTTAS used to work with him there in Mentoring of America. His friend Bryan Buttas was jailed for insurance fraud in 2005. Bryan faked his own death and disappearance in an attempt to collect a $250,00 life insurance policy for his family. Bryan had told everyone he was going to go on a lone hiking trip near their hometown Saint George, but did not come back. Bryan really flew to Australia and hid there. Meanwhile back home thinking he might have been injured somewhere in the hiking trail he told people he was at, the local Utah Sheriff's office launched an extensive search effort looking for this Mentoring of America employee. A few days later, the local Utah Sheriff's office tracked TYLER'S friend in Australia after they found out he had previously purchased a one way ticket to Queensland. Their local sheriff's office flew all the way to Australia to nab this guy and brought him back to St. George Utah. He was thrown in jail facing a possible 15 year prison sentence. In addition to this criminal act, he caused their local Sheriff's office and law enforcement authorities to waste over $20,000 of pure taxpayer dollars for a large search effort looking for him for nothing. These are the kinds of people working behind the phones at Mentoring of America LLC in all their Utah offices. Many of the other one's are 20 year old drug addict punks that come to work high. They sit behind their telephones and defraud people across the U.S. HERE IS THE BRYAN BUTTAS NEWS STORY ON VIDEO: Copy and past these links to your browser. http://kutv.com/topstories/local_story_282184920.html and here: www.abc4.com/mediacenter/default.aspx?videoId=21904 Just wait for the commercials to end and the news story video will begin. TYLER TRUMAN'S VICTIMS ON RIPOFF REPORT: Read more about TYLER TRUMAN here: TYLER TRUMAN coerced this person from New York into putting an $9,895.00 price of the Jeff Paul program on multiple credit cards with his false statements and other BS sales pitches. Copy and paste. www.ripoffreport.com/reports/ripoff155290.htm Luckily the above person from New York was able to quickly dispute the charges with her credit card company before Mentoring of America could take the money and run. And here we have his second victim on Ripoff Report. A pregnant woman he cheated out of $14,695.00! TYLER TRUMAN left this lady stuck with a huge monthly credit card bill that she was struggling each month to pay. It began to put a strain on her life and she desperately came to this site asking for help. I personally guided her one on one, step by step, until Mentoring of America gave her back her full $14,695 refund after this idiot told he she would never get a refund no matter what! Take that you fraudster. See it here: http://www.ripoffreport.com/reports/ripoff208959.htm FORMER MENTORING OF AMERICA EMPLOYEES COME FORWARD WITH INSIDE KNOWLEGE OF THEIR OPERATIONS: Here are several exact responses on other complaints on this site by former employees. These are their exact words unedited. This company is nothing but a sophisticated scheme. #1: Yes I am an ex-employee. I actually worked there for quite a while, longer than a year. Of course the true victims of this "business" are those who invest their hard earned money. And it is YOUR money even though they say on the phone that you are using "other peoples money." You still have to pay the credit card bills, right? Now it is VERY true that hardly any business is ever started in this country without going into debt for it, the difference with Mentoring of America is that you are led to believe you will have someone there "holding your hand" through the entire process. I bet the guy on the phone even used that exact phrase of holding your hand. I'm veering from the point, sorry. In my personal opinion going into debt to start a business is a necessity unless you are already rich. So these people who invest into this aren't stupid, they don't have the wrong idea, they are simply paying for someone to be there that they believe can help them. The problem is, that person won't be there. Also, I would guess that 75% of the people that work for Mentoring of America have no idea that they are ripping people off. It is not widely known throughout that coaches will not call people back, etc. The only time we would find out is if somebody who kept our number called us back after coaching sessions. But that was never enough to make you think it was a scam because maybe 1 out of 30 people would keep our numbers, or be able to get in contact with us. Thats why they give you a different number to call, so you can give your problems to customer service, not the guys selling the package. And if only 1 of 30 people called you back, at times we would just think they weren't trying hard enough, or not fulfilling with what the coach asked. It's unfortunate to have been a part of that. Also the closers on the floor probably know that it isn't all its cracked up to be, but to be honest, the set up men that I described before, are only told of success stories or people that went out and did a great job with the program. The majority probably really think they are helping people. I thought I was for a long time! But the closers, or in most cases, team leaders that get a commission check on not only their sales, but of the entire team!, help to keep morale high. Well just a bit more information for you on what goes on there at the floor. If you have a few questions, I'll try to help you out. AND ANOTHER: #2: This is what yet another former Mentoring of America employee said and exposes their inner workings: You are all very mad at John Beck and Jeff Paul and are blaming them for all this, but the truth is that they are nothing but puppets. This whole industry is completely different than what it appears to be to the general public. And nobody would know this unless you have worked there before. The true owners of this "business" live in California, and have nothing to do with Utah really. However the main dialing center, or floor, is in American Fork. Its just a huge office building very eerily similar to the floor in "Boiler Room." Rent it if you haven't seen it. What they do is create an infomercial and find or hire a guy like John Beck, who truly have made money with their system, (but through many years of trial and error) and put in on the tv. The initial packages are nothing more than lead providers. No money is made off those packages in this industry. So like I said, the public believes that John Beck owns this and is selling his package. UNTRUE. ALL money in this business is made through back end sales, also known as upsells. After ordering the package, a persons name gets added to a list of many, many names that are called by "start up specialists," really just lower chain employees, people not trusted with closing the deal. So these employees of Mentoring of America, (not JOhn Beck or Jeff Paul or Jim Rosen, whatever) find out if someone is even worth talking too. And many of those people who have no credit or savings or anything are crossed off the list, but still go to reprints, which is why many people get called twice even after saying no. But if you do have credit, then begins the whole setup with the talk of coaches and all that. Then the first person gets off the phone, and gives the news to the closer. Which could honestly be just some dude sitting next to him. I hope you all didn't imagine you were talking to some guy in a suit and tie in his office, he's just another guy on the floor probably in shorts. They then call you and tell you that they are the supervisor in charge of selecting individuals for the coaching program yadda yadda yadda. Then the pitch begins. Long story short, this business does not belong to anyone you know, it belongs to two men in California named Gary and Doug (from what I remember) that are rich upon rich upon wealthy. They also own phone sex companies, internet sex sites, and other companies that contribute to their riches. Sorry you had to be involved with these people. One word of advice, if you read this within one week of "investing" with them, call them back and cancel. Don't listen to what they say. Cancel Cancel Cancel. You can do it, I saw it happen many times. These employees get paid weekly so they do all they can to keep the sale on the board through saturday when the week ends. Just call back and tell them you are not going to do it.

I've been reading a lot of the other complaints. When I called again a few days ago,to talk to Josh, I did ask who was in charged over there. The girl told me Tyler Truman. Of course she put me through and of course I got his voice mail. I left my name and # and just said it was very important that he gets back to me.. That was on 4/6/07.. Today is 4/11/07..The first coach I had, I ask him why is he coaching if he's making all that money using the program. He said, He feels he owes the Beck company for all the help he got.. I did print out the Utah complaint form. I will be working on that. Does anyone have information on getting a refund from those other companies who called telling me I need them too since I started the Beck program.. *ADVANTAGE CORP SERVICES IN NEVADA $1,594.70 *MANHATTAN BOOKKEEPING (MPG) $3,049.00 *TAX CLUB $3,469.40 *JOHN ALEXANDER $2,330.00 OF COURSE JOHN BECK $$12,603.40 TOTAL AS OF 3/07= $23,046.50 I'M NOT VERY GOOD WITH COMPUTERS But if anyone can help me-- GOD BLESS YOU! I want to add to that tally started 8 months ago.

I started this tally 8 months ago when I finally figured out what people needed to do in order to get Mentoring of America LLC to give you back your money after everything else has failed. It took me more than two years to figure this out. Once I found it, I began to share my first hand knowledge and steps that got me back my more than $7,000 from these frauds to everyone here on this site so that they could do the same. Yes I got all my money back from Mentoring of America, but that was not enough for me. I wanted Mentoring of America to pay for the two years of anger, aggravation, and waste of time they caused me. And boy have I personally made them pay for pissing me off. My personal advices have legally caused Mentoring of America to have to issue back almost $100,000 in refunds in only the last 8 months to Ripoff Report readers who followed and implemented my advices and suggestions! I inform and guide the Ripoff Report reader to file the correct complaints with the correct agencies, who to call, and more. Mentoring of America has really pissed me off and even more so when I still continue to see new people like you post such stories that mirror mine of 3 years ago. It angers me to see that they are still at it. MY MENTORING OF AMERICA REFUND REVENGE TALLY: Read the following links. Follow along as I guide numerous readers of Ripoff Report to their cash back from Mentoring of America LLC. Just follow what they did and file all the same complaints with the same agencies that I recommend to them. Here I have put together and gathered all the people of Ripoff Report that I have personally helped get their money back within the last 8 months. These people followed my advices and step by step instructions. Follow what these people have done, do exactly what they did, and you can expect a refund also: Bryan from New York got a full $10,695.00 refund. See it here: http://www.ripoffreport.com/reports/ripoff238771.htm Patricia from Massachusetts got a full $12,499 refund. See it here: ripoffreport.com/reports/ripoff236737.htm Jeff from Massachusetts got a full $6,499 refund. See it here: ripoffreport.com/reports/ripoff203813.htm Alexis from Florida got a full $7,485 refund. See it here: ripoffreport.com/reports/ripoff203194.htm Kingcia from Florida got a full $14,695 refund. See it here: ripoffreport.com/reports/ripoff208959.htm Scott from Florida gets full $7,499 refund. See it here: ripoffreport.com/reports/ripoff210786.htm Lloyd from Minnesota got a $9,700 refund. See it here: ripoffreport.com/reports/ripoff212345.htm Person that I personally guided and advised over the telephone and via e-mail got his father's $9,500 refund. GRAND TOTAL OF ISSUED MENTORING OF AMERICA LLC REFUNDS WITHIN THE LAST 8 MONTHS BECAUSE OF MY STEPS AND ADVICES: $85,597.00 and growing........ John Beck/ Mentoring of America LLC, Family TV Products LLC, JAYDER SALAZAR, are you reading this?? This is what happens when you stiff the wrong costumer like me. I make you pay (legally).