Complaint Review: Netdropshipper.com - Los Angeles California

I see there are gone and have been for a while

I finally got my refund back! WOW!!! But I am still pissed!! How can this company get by with all this fraud???? I agree there should be a class action lawsuit with all who have been screwed by this company! They have ruined our trust with customers and caused us to lose many profits! It's time to take a stand against these fraudulant internet scammers who ruin it for everyone else. Let's Get Them!!!!!

With our Ebay business ruined, owing a debt from eternity with the bank and the ebay business because of all the chargebacks we got and had to pay out of pocket all the customers and then the FEES with PayPal and Ebay it was a never ending battle. Then when I thought all was quiet and it would stop I got the email of the century from them, that I had done Internet Fraud with them. Trying to get into my account that was discontinued with them, is Internet Fraud! Give me a break! Yes they cancelled my account BEFORE issuing refunds. They did give me my refunds. But it took complaining to the BBB and doing Chargebacks with PayPal to get my refunds back from the company! Pretty pathetic. I have filed with the FBI. I have filed with the BBB and I am filing with the FTC now. And the AG's offices will NOT file for you either! They have NO JURISDICTION OVER THE INTERNET BUSINESSES! I have called and was going to report them with a 128 page report, and they would not take it at all, there is nothing the AG's offices can do. So don't bother going this route. But all of you scammed, start reporting to the BBB the reports stop in December of 2005 we need more recent reports! Let's band together, if anyone has a class action lawsuit going please contact me I lost over 2500.00 dollars in FEES and headaches with this company and I estimate 2000.00 dollars a month in revenues we could of made with Ebay and we did not and were not able to because of this rotten company. So, we need your help. We all need to band together and get a lawsuit going. Everyone should join together in this, this is not a lost cause.

"AK" View Contact Details Add Mobile Alert To: David Subject: Re: More information found Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 18:32:40 -0800 David, I have taken this to higher management because i want this to be resolved. They gave permission to our accounting department to issue you refund. Angela. ----- Original Message ----- From: David To: "AK" Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2006 12:04 PM Subject: Re: More information found > According to the law you are playing games I need not furnish proof of the $665.08 you have in your corporate account for the two money orders cashed on 1-17-06. You have the money You need to send it. period. > If I had given this level of customer dis-service at the previous positions Ive held or now I WOULD BE RUINED, NOW DUE TO YOUR POOR BUSINESS PRATICES I AM ALMOST RUINED MAYBE I SHOULD GIVE OUT THE EMAIL ADDRESS TO THE CUSTOMER THIS IMPACTS HOW ABOUT THAT MAYBE YOU SHOULD DEAL WITH THE ANGRY CUSTOMERS OF EVERYONE YOU SCREWED HOWEVER REMEMBER THIS i WILL NOT QUIT i WILL NOT GIVE UP UNTIL THE RIGHT THING IS DONE

The Federal Trade Commission's Mail or Telephone Order Rule covers goods you order by mail, telephone, computer, and fax machine. By law, a company should ship your order within the time stated in its ads. If no time is promised, the company should ship your order within 30 days after receiving it. If the company is unable to ship on time, the company must give you the choice of agreeing to the delay or canceling your order and receiving a prompt refund. Information from your letter has been added to our computerized reporting systems, which is used by the staff to determine actions that will benefit all consumers. As a federal regulatory agency, our role is to identify those companies that consistently violate consumers' rights and then correct those violations through appropriate law enforcement action. Meanwhile, the Attorney General's office in the state where the company is located may be able to assist you. We appreciate your interest in writing to us. Sincerely yours, Consumer Response Center

Los Angeles Storage and Mini Warehouses Profile: Business name: T-Plus Address: 2857 E Pico Blvd City: Los Angeles State: CA Zip: 90023-3609 Telephone: 323-261-5301 The address they use is a storage facility.

California Consumer Protection Amendment BILL NUMBER: AB 3320 CHAPTERED 09/23/96 CHAPTER 785 FILED WITH SECRETARY OF STATE SEPTEMBER 23, 1996 APPROVED BY GOVERNOR SEPTEMBER 21, 1996 PASSED THE ASSEMBLY AUGUST 28, 1996 PASSED THE SENATE AUGUST 20, 1996 AMENDED IN SENATE AUGUST 5, 1996 AMENDED IN SENATE JULY 2, 1996 AMENDED IN SENATE JUNE 17, 1996 AMENDED IN ASSEMBLY MAY 13, 1996 AMENDED IN ASSEMBLY MAY 2, 1996 AMENDED IN ASSEMBLY MARCH 28, 1996 INTRODUCED BY Assembly Member Speier FEBRUARY 23, 1996 An act to amend Section 17538 of the Business and Professions Code, relating to sales. LEGISLATIVE COUNSEL'S DIGEST AB 3320, Speier. Telephone, mail order, and catalog sales: Internet. Existing law regulates the sale, lease, or offering for sale or lease of goods or services by telephone, mail order, or catalog. This bill would expand those provisions to apply to sales or leases conducted using the Internet. The bill would require a vendor conducting business through the Internet or any other electronic means of communication to make specified disclosures to a buyer. A violation of these provisions would be a misdemeanor, thus the bill would impose a state-mandated local program. The California Constitution requires the state to reimburse local agencies and school districts for certain costs mandated by the state. Statutory provisions establish procedures for making that reimbursement. This bill would provide that no reimbursement is required by this act for a specified reason. THE PEOPLE OF THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA DO ENACT AS FOLLOWS: SECTION 1. Section 17538 of the Business and Professions Code is amended to read: 17538. (a) It is unlawful in the sale or lease or offering for sale or lease of goods or services, for any person conducting sales or leases by telephone, Internet or other electronic means of communication, mail order, or catalog in this state, including, but not limited to, the offering for sale or lease on television, radio, Internet, or other electronic means of communication or telecommunications device of goods or services which may be ordered by mail, telephone, Internet, or other electronic means of communication or telecommunications device, or for any person advertising in connection with those sales, leases, or advertisements a mailing address, telephone number, or Internet or other electronic address, to accept payment from or for a buyer, for the purchase or lease of goods or services ordered by mail, telephone, Internet, or other electronic means of communication or telecommunications device, whether payment to the vendor is made directly, through the mails, by means of a transfer of funds from an account of the buyer or any other person, or by any other means, and then permit 30 days, unless otherwise conspicuously stated in the offering or advertisement, or unless a shorter time is clearly communicated by the person conducting the sale or lease, to elapse without doing any one of the following things: (1) Shipping, mailing, or providing the goods or services ordered. (2) Mailing a full refund or, if payment was made by means of a transfer from an account, (A) crediting the account in the full amount of the debit, or (B) if a third party is the creditor, issuing a credit memorandum to the third party who shall promptly credit the account in the full amount of the debit. (3) Sending the buyer a letter or other written notice (A) advising the buyer of the duration of an expected delay expressed as a specific number of days or weeks, or proposing the substitution of goods or services of equivalent or superior quality, and (B) offering to make a full refund, in accordance with paragraph (2), within one week if the buyer so requests. The vendor shall provide to the buyer in that letter or written notice a toll-free telephone number or other cost-free method to communicate the buyer's request for a full refund. If the vendor proposes to substitute goods or services, the vendor shall describe the substitute goods or services in detail, indicating fully how the substitute differs from the goods or services ordered. (4) (A) Shipping, mailing, or providing substitute goods or services of equivalent or superior quality, if the buyer is extended the opportunity to return the substitute goods or services and the vendor promises to refund to the buyer (i) the cost of returning the substitute goods or services and (ii) any portion of the purchase price previously paid by the buyer. (B) Except as provided in subparagraph (C), a notice to the buyer shall accompany the mailing, shipping, or providing of the substitute goods or services which informs the buyer of the substitution; describes fully how the substitute differs from the goods or services ordered, except that obvious nontechnical differences, such as color, need not be described; and discloses the buyer's right to reject the substitute goods or services and obtain a full refund of the amount paid, plus the cost of returning the substitute goods or services. (C) The vendor may omit from the notice required by subparagraph (B) a description of how the substitute goods or services differ from the ordered goods or services if the notice otherwise complies with subparagraph (B), and if all the following requirements are complied with: (i) The vendor maintains at least 100 retail outlets located in at least 20 counties in this state that are open to the public regularly during normal business hours where buyers can order catalog goods, pick them up, and return them for refunds. (ii) The vendor maintains a toll-free telephone number and provides to each buyer, at the time of the buyer's call, a full description of how substitute goods or services differ from ordered goods or services. The toll-free telephone number shall operate and be staffed at all times during which goods or services normally are available for pick up from the vendor's retail outlets. (iii) If the buyer picks up substitute goods or services from the vendor's retail outlet, the notice required by subparagraph (B) as modified by this subparagraph is placed on, or attached to, the exterior of the package or wrapping containing the substitute, or is handed to the buyer at the time the buyer picks up the substitute. (iv) The notice contains a reference number or some other means of identifying the ordered goods or services and the substitute goods or services. (v) The notice contains the vendor's toll-free telephone number and instructions to the buyer that the buyer may call that number to obtain a full description of how the substitute differs from the ordered goods. (b) For purposes of paragraphs (3) and (4) of subdivision (a), goods or services shall be considered of "equivalent or superior quality" only if they are (1) substantially similar to the goods or services ordered, (2) fit for the usual purposes for which the goods or services ordered are used, and (3) normally offered by the vendor at a price equal to or greater than the price of the goods or services ordered. (c) When a buyer makes an initial application for an open-end credit plan, as defined in the Federal Consumer Credit Protection Act (15 U.S.C. Sec. 1682), at the same time the goods or services are ordered, and the goods or services are to be purchased on credit, the person conducting the business shall have 50 days, rather than 30 days, to perform the actions specified in this section. (d) A vendor conducting business through the Internet or any other electronic means of communication shall do all of the following when the transaction involves a buyer located in California: (1) Before accepting any payment or processing any debit or credit charge or funds transfer, the vendor shall disclose to the buyer in writing or by electronic means of communication, such as E-mail or an on-screen notice, the vendor's return and refund policy, the legal name under which the business is conducted and, except as provided in paragraph (3), the complete street address from which the business is actually conducted. (2) If the disclosure of the vendor's legal name and address information required by this subdivision is made by on-screen notice, all of the following shall apply: (A) The disclosure of the legal name and address information shall appear on any of the following: (i) the first screen displayed when the vendor's electronic site is accessed, (ii) on the screen on which goods or services are first offered, (iii) on the screen on which a buyer may place the order for goods or services or (iv) on the screen on which the buyer may enter payment information, such as a credit card account number. The communication of that disclosure shall not be structured to be smaller or less legible than the text of the offer of the goods or services. (B) The disclosure of the legal name and address information shall be accompanied by an adjacent statement describing how the buyer may receive the information at the buyer's E-mail address. The vendor shall provide the disclosure information to the buyer at the buyer's E-mail address within five days of receiving the buyer's request. (C) Until the vendor complies with subdivision (a) in connection with all buyers of the vendor's goods or services, the vendor shall make available to a buyer and any person or entity who may enforce this section pursuant to Section 17535 on-screen access to the information required to be disclosed under this subdivision. (3) The complete street address need not be disclosed as required by paragraph (1) if the vendor utilizes a private mailbox receiving service and all of the following conditions are met: (A) the vendor satisfies the conditions described in paragraph (2) of subdivision (b) of Section 17538.5, (B) the vendor discloses the actual street address of the private mailbox receiving service in the manner prescribed by this subdivision for the disclosure of the vendor's actual street address, and (C) the vendor and the private mailbox receiving service comply with all of the requirements of subdivisions (c) to (f), inclusive, of Section 17538.5. (e) As used in this section and Section 17538.3, the following words have the following meanings: (1) "Goods" means tangible chattels, including certificates or coupons exchangeable for those goods, and including goods which, at the time of the sale or subsequently, are to be so affixed to real property as to become a part of that real property, whether or not severable therefrom. (2) "Person" means an individual, partnership, corporation, association, or other group, however organized. (3) "Buyer" means a person who seeks or acquires, by purchase or lease, any goods or services for any purpose. (4) "Services" means work, labor, and services, including services furnished in connection with the sale or repair of goods. (5) "Vendor" means a person who, as described in subdivision (a), vends, sells, leases, supplies, or ships goods or services, who conducts sales or leases of goods or services, or who offers goods or services for sale or lease. "Vendor" does not include a person responding to an electronic agent in connection with providing goods or services to a buyer if the aggregate amount of all transactions with the buyer does not exceed ten dollars ($10). (6) "Internet" means the global information system that is logically linked together by a globally unique address space based on the Internet Protocol (IP), or its subsequent extensions; and is able to support communications using the Transmission Control Protocol/Internet Protocol (TCP/IP) suite, or its subsequent extensions, or other IP-compatible protocols; and provides, uses, or makes accessible, either publicly or privately, high level services layered on the communications and related infrastructure described herein. (7) "Electronic agent" means a computer program designed, selected, or programmed to initiate or respond to electronic messages or performances without review by an individual. (f) Any violation of the provisions of this section is a misdemeanor punishable by imprisonment in the county jail not exceeding six months, or by a fine not exceeding one thousand dollars ($1,000), or by both. SEC. 2. No reimbursement is required by this act pursuant to Section 6 of Article XIIIB of the California Constitution because the only costs that may be incurred by a local agency or school district will be incurred because this act creates a new crime or infraction, eliminates a crime or infraction, or changes the penalty for a crime or infraction, within the meaning of Section 17556 of the Government Code, or changes the definition of a crime within the meaning of Section 6 of Article XIIIB of the California Constitution. Notwithstanding Section 17580 of the Government Code, unless otherwise specified, the provisions of this act shall become operative on the same date that the act takes effect pursuant to the California Constitution.

I know how angered you must be. They ruined me. You probably talking about the taylormade graphite clubs. I had 22 sales of these clubs. After they answerered my e-mails. Tell me it comes with what it says. I kept , e-mailing them stating I could probably sell about 50 of them , would that be a problem. You sell we will fill the order's. So we bought some using a credit card. When we noticed that the credit card payments were refunded. No one would answer my e-mails. So I had to contact a few different golf companies. All of them , told me there ad was false. You cant get all those clubs for less than 500. So I had to contact all of my customers , and tell them . it only comes with one clubs. They were ready to hang me. Once you factor in all the ebay , and PayPal fees. It cost me quite a bit of money. Not to mention all, the negatives I would receive. It really ruined me. All of my positive feedback went down the drain. And after about two weeks to e-mailing them. I told them to change their ad , because I noticed other sellers on eBay selling them. I even e-mail them to let them know. All I can say please investigate it could be one of you next. I hope not.

Now I get emails every day telling me I have to prove theycashed the money orders before they give me a refund so now I am kicking my efforts into high gear I must have somehow hit a nerve for them to threaten to sue me if they lost revenue due to my efforts. I relly wish any lawyers out there would get invvolved and help all of us out but no contact has been made yet this place needs to be put of business and made to pay for the horrible business practices. My online store has been shut down since this has begun I cannot even tabulate the lost revenue from that. I have a customer emailing me once a week to find out how far I have gotten and I really appreciate the customers patience. lets all band together and present a united front all who have been victimized by NETDROPSHIPPER EMAIL ME AT [email protected] and start the deluge of emails to [email protected] and [email protected] everybody needs to send emails to the following [email protected] that is the associated press hoping if they get enough emails the will run a story and remember they are nationaly sydicated which means the story would run all over the country so start sending those emails to the above address and get whats ours back.

1-23-06 Now after rporting to LA DA, IC3.gov and other online fraud agencies I get an email saying my account somehow got cancled and did I want a refund(DUH) that hs been the subject of every email sine 12-22-05. Then it says it takes 30 days to get refund by mail (are the using 3rd rate book postage????). WE will see I will not trust or honor what they say until I am Holding a check in the amount they OWE me and my customer!!

NetDropfrauder, Inc Terms & Conditions This Customer Agreement ("Agreement") is a contract between you ("Customer") and NetDropshipper.com and applies to your purchases of Netdropshipper.com's products and to your use of its "dropFrauding" services (collectively the "Services") available through www.NetDropshipper.com. If you do not agree to be bound by the terms and conditions of this Agreement, you will not be qualified to become NetDropshipper.com's member. You must read, agree with, and accept all of the terms and conditions contained in this Agreement before you may become Ripped of by NetDropshipper.com. In this Agreement, "you" or "your" means any person or entity using the Service ("Customers"). Unless otherwise stated, " NetDropshipper," "we" or "our" will refer collectively to NetDropshipper.com Unless otherwise specified, all references to a "bank" in this Agreement include savings associations and credit unions, and all references to a "credit card" include American Express, Discover, Visa and Master Card-branded debit cards. 1. Your status as a Customer: To become our customer, you must be a registered member with NetDropshipper.com in order to use our services. You must also agree to each and every single condition in this Agreement: 2. Our status as your Drop-Frauder. As your drop-Frauder, i.e. a company that ships Nothing directly to end-users, we perform a valuable service, which involves, however, a higher degree of risk. Since we ship to third parties based on your orders, it is impossible for us to retrieve the shipped products in case of fraud. Therefore, we will not provide our Services to you unless you make assurances and guarantees contained below. 3. Eligibility. Our Services are only available to persons that can form legally binding contracts under applicable law. Without limiting the foregoing, our Service is not available to minors (under 18), persons who are suspended from our Service, or to persons who present an unacceptable level of credit risk. 4. Identity Authentication. In order to reduce online fraud NetDropshipper.com has the right to request a photocopy of your Driver's License, front & back of your Credit Card and last four numbers of your social security number in order to verify your identity. You authorize NetDropshipper.com, directly or through third parties, to make any inquiries that will be considered necessary to validate your registration and verify your identity. This may include ordering a credit report or performing other credit checks or verifying the information you provide against third party databases. 5. Purchase Order/Login and password protection/Indemnification. (a) Any purchase of a product or Service can be made only after you log in into your "User Account" using your user name and password. You are responsible for the use and protection of user name and password. (b) You understand and agree that all risk associated with unauthorized use of your log in and password are solely yours and agree to hold NetDropshipper, Inc harmless and free of any claims, liabilities, demands for reimbursement, credit card charge-backs, or causes of action relating to such unauthorized use. NetDropshipper.com reserves the right to contract a third party collection agency in order to collect owed amount to NetDropshipper, Inc. 6. Delivery according to the instructions. As a customer of NetDropshipper.com, you make purchases that must be delivered to a third person (you hope but never happens). You hereby agree to waive any claim, objection, or a credit card chargeback based on the assertion that you did not receive the order or that the order is not in your dominion or control. NetDropshipper.com reserves the right to contract a third party collection agency in order to collect owed amount to NetDropshipper, Inc. But we will never respond to your requests for a refund because we ripped you off. 7. Orders over $400.00. NetDropshipper, Inc retains the right, to protect itself and to request a bank wire or a cashier's check for all orders over $400.00 at any time and for any reason; to prevent credit card fraud. However we will steal that money and never ship the product you request. 8. Legal Disputes. In the event any dispute arises between you and NetDropshipper, Inc in relation to this Agreement or any transaction relating thereto, all claims or actions, whether judicial, quasijudicial, or administrative must be made in the Los Angeles County, State of California. You hereby expressly agree to submit to jurisdiction of the appropriate Los Angeles County court. If further agree that any claim or action against NetDropshipper, Inc may be prosecuted solely and exclusively in the County of Los Angeles, State of California. However we think we are above the law and will rip off anyone we can. 9. Attorney Fees. In case of any collection activity, dispute, litigation, claim, or action arising in relation to this Agreement, the prevailing party shall be entitled to compensation of reasonable attorney fees and costs of enforcement. However we will never pay you what we owe you because we are a fraud. 10. General. (a) This Agreement is governed by and interpreted under the laws of the state of California. However we make our own laws. (b) If any provision of this Agreement is held to be invalid or unenforceable, such provision shall be struck and the remaining provisions shall be enforced. However only against you we have the right not to perform as we agree. (c) Headings are for reference purposes only and in no way define, limit, construe or describe the scope or extent of such section. (d) Our failure to act with respect to a breach by you or others does not waive our right to act with respect to subsequent or similar breaches. However we will breach common sense and fair business practices as we see fit. (e) This Agreement set forth the entire understanding between Customer and NetDropshipper, Inc with respect to the subject matter hereof. (f) NetDropshipper, Inc possesses the right to terminate your ability to access our website for any reason, without notice. Especially when you request a refund for our failure to deliver as bound by this contract. (g) NetDropshipper, Inc will not be held responsible for any advertising fees associated with member's promotion of NetDropshipper, Inc products. Nor will it be held responsible for doing business in a responsible manner either.

After they told me the mailed my money orders back they cashed them and credited them to my accout or so they say. The reason why I said that is because when I try to logon they tell me they system is down for upgrades I have sent them a legal letter explaining refund the money or I will use the full extent of the law to punish them for the bad business preactices. I am filling a complaint with the WV State Attorney Generals office. I am considering filling one with CA as well. Netfirms will not pull the plug until a report has been filed with local authorities which I am also considering. can anyone else login to the account they have with them ???

I have found out the netdropshipper.com hosts partly on netfirms so anyone involved in getting ripped off from them please email [email protected] and demand the pull the plug the more mail they get the better the chances they will pull the plug.

I have found out the netdropshipper.com hosts partly on netfirms so anyone involved in getting ripped off from them please email [email protected] and demand the pull the plug the more mail they get the better the chances they will pull the plug.

I have found out the netdropshipper.com hosts partly on netfirms so anyone involved in getting ripped off from them please email [email protected] and demand the pull the plug the more mail they get the better the chances they will pull the plug.

I have found out the netdropshipper.com hosts partly on netfirms so anyone involved in getting ripped off from them please email [email protected] and demand the pull the plug the more mail they get the better the chances they will pull the plug.