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Complaint Review: Right Toyota in Scottsdale - Scottsdale Arizona

Reported By:
Lynn - Scottsdale, Arizona, USA
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Right Toyota in Scottsdale
7701 E Frank Lloyd Wright Blvd Scottsdale, 85260 Arizona, United States of America
Phone:
4807782200
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On Oct 30, 2009, I purchased a 2010 Camry from Right Toyota, Scottsdale, AZ.

I spoke with Mike Marino in the Fleet/Internet department on the telephone, and he sent me an email quoting his price for this vehicle.  The price was reasonable, so I called him and he informed me the color I wanted wasn't available on his lot, but he could get it by the next day. I asked if there would be any charge for transporting the vehicle and he replied; "No, we have sister companies in California and we have trucks coming back and forth everyday and that will not be a problem."

I waited two days and called to find out the status, only to get Mike's voice mail. Later in the day, Bill Johnson of the Fleet/Internet department called and acted as thought he didn't know anything about my previous conversation with Mike.  He invited me to the store where he said they could get the car, but it had to be trucked in from California and he could get it in a couple days.  However, he wouldn't order the vehicle delivered until we completed the "paperwork."  We agreed on the cost of the vehicle, and I was escorted to the finance office where I met Jamie Steinseifer.  He hurriedly prepared the paperwork, which I signed.  I noted that in the salary field he had entered $6,000 per month for my wife's income (I had left that field blank), that was in addition to the $12,000 monthly income I had entered for myself (which is actually the total income).  When I ask about that, he said; "It looks better."  I signed the contract (without reading it --- I know -- don't yell) and ask for a copy to take with me, but Mr. Steinseifer told me I couldn't have a copy as it was "private," but I'd get my copy when I picked up the car.

I was called two days later to come and retrieve the vehicle.  I was given all the paperwork in an envelope and I left the store. Only when I got home and began to review the contract and found an additional $1,000 charge for transportation charge, paid to an outside contractor, Southwest Dealer Services.  I have my serious doubts that this company has anything to do with transporting vehicles, but from their web site they are in the auto dealer training business.... suspicious isn't it? Perhaps this is a fraudulent charge?

Now, I made the huge mistake of thinking I was dealing with honorable people, and while I knew the total price I was paying for the vehicle, and had agreed to, I didn't know what the doc+tax+license charges would be, so when I was given the out-the-door price, I assumed the difference in the agreed-to price, and the O-T-D price was the doc+tax+license fees, which I would have no problem paying. I didn't ask for a line-by-line accounting of the figures, again thinking I was dealing with honorable people (insert chuckle).

Incidentally, the printed figures on their contract is very, very lightly printed. When I remarked to Mr. Steinseifer that I could barely ready the paperwork, he remarked; "Yes, I need to replace the ink cartridge."  Do you think the printer is adjusted to print very lightly to make reading anything they print more difficult? I'm just saying!

Also, the contract states very clearly; "You are entitled to an exact copy of the Contract you sign."  However, I now know why Mr. Steinseifer refused to give me a copy of the contract at the signing to take with me.  He knew I would find that $1,000 charge which was clearly separate from the other charges.  Imagine what I would have said if informed that there would be an extra $1,000 charge to bring a car to you!!!! I think I could probably transport a vehicle from the West to the East coast for much less.  And, why was it an even $1,000 ... they have no imagination. Jeeze, make it $1,067.32 or something like that, would make it a bit more believable, not fair but a little more believable.  Do you think they may have just "made it up?"  I have a strong suspicion that this vehicle was not trucked from California, but was obtained from Larry Miller Toyota in Peoria, AZ.  I know they had one in the color and style I wanted because I previously contacted Carsdirect.com and they found what I wanted at Larry Miller at the same price as quoted by Right Toyota.  However, my past dealings with Right Toyota had been reasonably good, especially their service department, and I'd prefer a portion of the sales tax go to Scottsdale, since I live here, and Right Toyota is within five miles of my home.

Friday I sent an email to Jane Tenaglia, Customer Relations Manager at Right Toyota, asking for the refund of my $1,000, but it hasn't been responded to. Should they continue to ignore me, I intend to notify the President and CEO of Right Toyota, David W Wilson, 1400 N Tustin, Orange, CA 92867 and the VP, Jay H Francis, 7701 E Frank Lloyd Wright Blvd, Scottsdale, AZ 85260. 

Not that I would expect them to respond to me, or even do more than refer it back to the "Customer Service Manager," I want them to know how they lost any future business with me or anyone else I can contact and discourage from buying there.

This vehicle is the seventh Toyota I've owned over the past 20 years, and Right Toyota has done ALL the service on the three Toyota's I currently own since they opened their store about 10 years ago, and the last vehicle I purchased, a 2008 Highlander was brought from Right Toyota. 

Incidentally, please do not allow Right Toyota to charge you $250 for etching a "secret number" on the windows of your new Toyota.  They will tell you that if your auto is stolen, then recovered, after your insurance carrier has replaced your vehicle, any deductible you paid will be refunded.  Now that is a whopper of a lie!!!  As a retired Scottsdale Police Department employee I can assure you that any recovered vehicle is entered into NCIC by the VIN number, and nothing more.  There would be no way that "secret number" has any value to you, the owner.  When they tell you; "well, it's already on the car,"  tell them to remove it. Huge rip off.

While I'm on the subject, and on a rant, I was sitting in the waiting area waiting for my car to be delivered when I overheard Mike Marino tell a female; "You don't need a six cylinder vehicle, because the Japanese four cylinder's are more powerful than an American six cylinder." Huh!  I thought it had to do with displacement, not country of origin.  I assume the woman believed it.  Now that is a HUGE WHOPPER!

There are several Toyota stores in the Phoenix area for you to choose from, and I'd suggest you visit with them, and avoid Right Toyota.  I'm not suggesting for a second that other dealers won't do the same thing, because they will, but you've been warned about the business practices of Right Toyota, and I'm going to try everything I can to discourage anyone from buying even a sun shield from them.  They do not deserve your business.

If they return my $1,000 I will be more than happy to retract this statement, and post a positive statement of how I was saved as a customer.  Still a little confused about why the finance guy entered that $6,000 as my wife's monthly salary.  Do I smell fraud?

Beware, be very afraid of them ... they're going to get you!


5 Updates & Rebuttals

SICK OF THIS CRAP

PHOENXI,
Arizona,
United States of America
Online Defamation Law

#2Consumer Comment

Wed, June 06, 2012

Generally, defamation is a false and unprivileged statement of fact that is harmful to someone's reputation, and published "with fault," meaning as a result of negligence or malice. State laws often define defamation in specific ways. Libel is a written defamation; slander is a spoken defamation.  Using employees names is defaming if they had nothing to do with your issue.  The statments made about the employee faking about being sick it they can validae that fact with a doctors letters can result in a defamation claim.  But you just cared about getting your issue resolved and didn't care who you went after.  I hope that employees start going after consumers for defamation, you can go after the business but to defame the employee you never had contact with was in my opinion a violation of the law.


Lynn Wright

Scottsdale,
Arizona,
USA
Further info on the $1,000 theft by Right Toyota

#3Author of original report

Sun, November 08, 2009

After several emails and phone calls and the general run around about "that's not my responsibility," I was finally contacted by Jason "the finance man," who apologized for the problem and would make sure a check was sent to me for $1,000 on Monday Nov 9th to reimburse me for the overcharge.

The overcharge was not for transportation, as I was lead to believe, but for a security system that wasn't installed on the vehicle.

I can only surmise that they make a practice of charging customers for things they don't want, didn't ask for, and don't need, and only whey they are caught do they feign; "oops, that was an error, let me remove that charge."  Who wants to do any business with anyone that would be so underhanded and dishonest?

The money was returned, or I expect to receive it in three days, but what a terrible time I had getting anyone to speak with me, and to authorized the return of my money. My calls to "customer service" was ignored, and five days after my initial contact I received an email explaining "I was out sick with the flu, and I've forwarded your email to finance."  What a bunch of horse hockey. The dog ate my homework too.

If you do business with these folks, take someone with you and have them observe all things, and review all written documents very, very carefully, don't sign anything without a line by line examination, and incidentally you are entitled to a copy of that contact (it says so on the contract) so don't leave that finance office without out a copy in your hand. Jason refused to give me a copy stating "it's private and you'll get your copy when you pick up the car."  NO! You are entitled to a copy right then.  I would suggest you just take a copy immediately after signing, and prior to handing it back to the finance guy.  He/she doesn't like that ... terminate the conversation, demand the documents be destroyed and walk out of there.

As you progress through the finance office process, the contract will be the last thing presented to you for signature (this is by design)  ... I'd suggest you set aside each and every document without signing until they present the contract for your review/signature.  Then take the contract out of the office into the waiting room and there carefully, very carefully read the entire thing ... I know you want out of there with your new car, but take the time ... you won't be sorry.  After you're satisfied you a not being charged for something you didn't want, (refer to your notes from the negotiation state of the purchase), then return to the finance office and sign away, get your car and get the hell out of there and consider yourself saved from their devious ways.


It is legal for you to tape and/or video-record a person in Arizona (with or without their permission as long as you are a party to the conversation), so take a recording device with you and place it on the table between you and the salesman/saleswoman, a pad of paper, a calculator, and a willingness to walk out.  If it smells bad, don't even try to find the source of the odor .. just get up and walk away.  If it feels bad in the store, it will feel bad forever.


Karl

highlands ranch,
Colorado,
U.S.A.
Masked Man, Perhaps this quote from a Harvard Business Professor will answer your question: "EXPOSURE IS A CORPORATION'S WORST FEAR."

#4Consumer Comment

Wed, November 04, 2009

To read that quote, and others, simply 'Google' this- RIP OFF REPORT FUEL FREEDOM INTERNATIONAL MPG CAPS, and go to the 2001 Toyota Tacoma Ripoff Report, then to the 'Update' entitled- "Blame it on a Lawyer".


Thank You.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>ALERT<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

*EXTREMELY URGENT!!! Make sure to go to the MERRILL LYNCH page of this site and read St. Clair's Ripoff Report for valuable information if you have a MORTGAGE.


Masked Man

Brookings,
Oregon,
USA
Question for Karl, poster of first rebuttal

#5General Comment

Wed, November 04, 2009

Karl, what do an airbag that deploys accidentally and engine sludge have to do with the original posters problems with a specific dealership?

You seem to respond, with slight variations of the same info, in anything that has to do with Toyota.  Care to explain?


Karl

highlands ranch,
Colorado,
U.S.A.
TOYOTA SAFETY ALERT!!! IT APPEARS THAT AN AIRBAG DEPLOYED FOR NO REASON IN A TOYOTA COROLLA....

#6Consumer Comment

Mon, November 02, 2009

because a customer posted information at the consumeraffairs webite stating that an airbag deployed for no reason in a Toyota Corolla.


Simply 'Google' this- ENGINE SLUDGE, and go to the consumeraffairs website about 'Toyota Engine Problems', and click on- 'Airbags' when you get there and read the recent complaint.

Thank You.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>NATIONWIDE ALERT<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

*Make sure to visit the MERRILL LYNCH page of this site & read St. Clair's Ripoff Report for valuable information if you have a MORTGAGE. 

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