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  • Report:  #662838

Complaint Review: Robert F. Janssen of P.T. BALI WOODWORLD - Denpasar Internet

Reported By:
Dave W - USA, California, United States of America
Submitted:
Updated:

Robert F. Janssen of P.T. BALI WOODWORLD
Denpasar,Bali,Indonesia Denpasar, Internet, United States of America
Phone:
+ 62 812 39 29 875
Web:
www.baliwoodworks.com
Categories:
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I did meet with Robert F. Janssen of P.T. BALI WOODWORLD aka BALI WOODWORKS alias INDOPREFAB and decided to order a number of Bali gazebos and a Bali prefab wood house from him as his prices and services seemed much better than that of his competitors.  After having placed a deposit on the Bali prefab wood house and gazebo project I did fly to Bali to view the structures once they were complete at P.T. BALI WOODWORLD's workshop.The quality looked reasonable so I paid in full and had the project dismantled and exported in containers.  After arrival at the project site we had all the wooden components taken out of the containers and placed on the existing foundation ready for reconstruction.Immediately I noticed a lot of cracking in the wood.So we unwrapped all the project part components and on closer inspection noticed cracking on over 50% of the timber beams.  I was shocked and called Robert F. Janssen and asked what was going on.He said that it is natural for the wooden components to crack during shipping as they are constantly exposed to damp and heat in the container.So we proceeded with construction.
Our situation got even worse. timber beams had warped,bent and twisted so that we could not even construct the project.The wood appeared to have been previously infested with termites and BALI WOODWORLD  must have filled up these holes with wood-filler concealing these cracks during the house viewing prior to export.  It was impossible to construct the house and gazebos due to the very poor quality of the timber that they had used.  I was paying 10 carpenters 80 dollars each for 12 days trying to get this structure up + the rent of a crane and forklift + operators to assist.  I gave up after 12 days as was just wasting salaries on a structure that could clearly not be assembled due to the terrible timber quality.  So I called Robert Janssen and asked for another container of timber replacement parts to be sent out  (Ones that were of a high quality and had not been previously infested with termites). He declined to do so on the lines that I had approved already on the buildings at BALI WOODWORLD's yard.  He did give me a signed warranty valid for a year stating that "defective parts would be replaced"- so I was well within my legal rights to ask for these inferior quality parts to be replaced.  I called Robert of (Baliwoodworld, Baliwoodworks, Indoprefab) again and insisted that he replace these inferior parts as I needed to get the project up asap as I had a contract with the project owner who was already very unhappy with the situation.
Robert denied that the wood was inferior and refused to replace any parts.I was not sure what to do as was 1000's of kilometres and had the project owner putting a lot of pressure on me to complete the project.  I contacted a number of Indonesian Lawyers and let them know my situation and they said that if I wanted my payment back I would have to take Robert F. Janssen and P.T. BALI WOODWORLD to court and that this process could be costly and very time consuming.For these reasons + the fact that Indonesia is renowned for its corrupt practices I did not proceed legally.  I had to purchase and replace all the damaged parts from local based companies to ensure that the project was completed on time or I was likely to get sued by the project owners for unreasonable delay and loss of earnings.This business endeavour had made me a LOSS of over 150,000 USD.  To everyone out there please,please,please do NOT make my mistake- make sure that the quality is 100% as expected!  I expected so much more from Robert  Janssen and  (BALI WOODWORLD , BALWOODWORKS, INDOPREFAB) who had ripped-me off by selling an inferior timber quality Bali prefab house to me and then refusing to replace it!!!!!  Think twice before doing business with this company.


1 Updates & Rebuttals

Bali woodworld

Denpasar,
Indonesia
Rebuttal to Bali Woodworld scam

#2REBUTTAL Owner of company

Sun, November 28, 2010



This story is a typical example of seditious libel. We have hard proof and evidence that the statements are false, were made without any research, are groundless and were made with the intent to do harm to both a person and a company.  



We meanwhile know who was the individual behind the story and engineered it. This individual had his story edited and posted by another individual with the name Dave W (afraid as this person is as not to disclose his full name). Both individuals are temporary residents of the island of Bali, Indonesia.     



Unfortunately they made a crucial error. A seditious libel story in the name of a person (in this case Robert F. Janssen) falls under the Civil Law and would not have had serious consequences, however, the libel story is for a great part made in the name of the company and even worse; the story includes a libelous statement seriously harming the Indonesian Law system. Both these libel statements fall under the Criminal Law (criminal defamation). The company is owned by two Indonesian citizens of which one is the director. As a result of the libel story made up by the famacides, the Indonesian director of the company has filed a seditious libel case with the companys lawyer who has started his investigations and will seek legal remedy, issue judgment in favor of the plaintiff and make the appropriate court order to win damages sustained by the company. In addition the case may also effectively lead to a detailed scrutiny by the Indonesian Intelligence Department to find out if the culprits are being held responsible for a libelous statement to the Indonesian Law system. Ultimately it will be the actions of the local authorities that will determine whether or not to prosecute the culprits in accordance with the Indonesian Law. Justice will be served.

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This story is a typical example of seditious libel. We have hard proof and evidence that the statements are false, were made without any research, are groundless and were made with the intent to do harm to both a person and a company.  



We meanwhile know who was the individual behind the story and engineered it. This individual had his story edited and posted by another individual with the name Dave W (afraid as this person is as not to disclose his full name). Both individuals are temporary residents of the island of Bali, Indonesia.     



Unfortunately they made a crucial error. A seditious libel story in the name of a person (in this case Robert F. Janssen) falls under the Civil Law and would not have had serious consequences, however, the libel story is for a great part made in the name of the company and even worse; the story includes a libelous statement seriously harming the Indonesian Law system. Both these libel statements fall under the Criminal Law (criminal defamation). The company is owned by two Indonesian citizens of which one is the director. As a result of the libel story made up by the famacides, the Indonesian director of the company has filed a seditious libel case with the companys lawyer who has started his investigations and will seek legal remedy, issue judgment in favor of the plaintiff and make the appropriate court order to win damages sustained by the company. In addition the case may also effectively lead to a detailed scrutiny by the Indonesian Intelligence Department to find out if the culprits are being held responsible for a libelous statement to the Indonesian Law system. Ultimately it will be the actions of the local authorities that will determine whether or not to prosecute the culprits in accordance with the Indonesian Law. Justice will be served.

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