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Complaint Review: TH Racing - Fort Worth Texas

Reported By:
pissedoff - Lacrosse, Wisconsin, USA
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TH Racing
10381 Alta Vista Rd. Suite 117 Fort Worth, 76244 Texas, USA
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www.thracing.com
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 I called Todd about a month and a half ago. I needed help rebuilding a motor for my 10 year old son. It turned out that he roasted the crank. This was entirely my fault as I allowed sand to get in the motor through the air filter. Todd was very nice on the phone and said he could help and recommended an engine rebuild service. I pulled the motor from the bike and prepped it for shipment. So In the process of stripping down the bike an motor you need to remove all fluids such as oil, gas, and coolant. This will be important later. Once the motor was out I disassembled the majority of the motor to fully assess the damage to the cylinder, pistons, crank, ect. I gently replaced all parts back together for shipping and repair. Todd called me after receiving and inspecting my motor. He told me about all the issues and gave me a quote for service. I paid via Todds payment policy and the work began. The work was done in a timely fashion and Todd did respond to my emails promptly.

So when I received the motor everything looked good. I spent 10 hours over the next 4 days reassembling the bike. Time to fire it up. She starts up great and after 30 seconds I see this wet spot pooling under the bike. So I take a look and I see that I have coolant dripping from the remnants of my coolant drain bolt. The best I can tell is who ever rebuilt the engine, they cross threaded the drain bolt. Then it appears they possibly tried to re thread the hole but didn't do it square so the bolt is threaded in sideways. Then to the matters worse the head of the drain bolt was ground flush with the case. There is even a part of the case that was touched by the cutting tool leaving a mark showing it was ground down.

So I email a picture to Todd ask him what to do. I'm thinking that it's just a stripped hole no worries right? Well Todd call me back promptly. I wasn't even upset if you can believe that. Before I ask a question Todd tells me he remembers receiving the motor with the drain bolt already stripped and with it's current "fix". I chuckled. Then he said initially they though the bolt was broke in shipping but couldn't find the head in the crate. He also said that it appeared epoxy was allied to the threads to stop the leak. Now I'm thinking great, you glued the dang thing in place also. What a mess. Remember how I removed fluid from the motor. Well I removed the coolant from the nice intact drain bolt that use to be on my motor. I then gently put that back in the proper location prior to shipment. I also never fully set the bolt because it was going to be pulled out in the service work. Secondly if the bolt snapped in shipment it would break completely flush with the case. Also I wouldn't have the tooling marks. FYI I have numerous pictures if this is ever questioned.

I didn't argue that the phone. There was no need. I would have just been lied to more. Todds solution was to "cap the hole with JB weld or get a new crank case. Lol a freaking new crankcase. All for a stripped plug. The fix he applied for the issue he created was probably close to the worse solution. This really wasn't a big deal to fix until he tried to cover it up and tell me I'm the one who did it. Unfortunately for me I might actually need a new case if the problem can't be fixed since since butchered it so badly. Time will tell as I have others try to fix Todds "fix". I do question the work that was done in the motor. I'll be using a new shop in the future. And Todd, Be honest with people. It's so much easier than lying. This is a fair representation of what occurred.



3 Updates & Rebuttals

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#2Author of original report

Wed, August 03, 2016

 
8/1/16 My response to Todd after some reflection:
 
Todd,
 
I apologized for not calling.  I literally had no time until now to even communicate.  I've been pretty torque lately about this.  It guess it wasn't until tonight reading this that I realized that we both are being honest.  I know that when I disassembled/shipped the motor everything was as it should be.  I also realized now that you received it the way you describe.  How it got there like that is beyond me. Quite frankly I don't think we will ever know. When you told me it was previously repaired and arrived in that condition all I could think about was how shady of a situation this was.  I figured you were feeding me a line of crap to cover your ads.  To be frank this whole mess was a perfectly timed shit storm in every aspect.  Here's my take.  If you didn't damage the cover then I don't think you should buy a new one.  Plus I already ordered one a few days ago.  As for the crab clean up, I will be sending you my crab from my kx65 in a few months when our season is done and I will gladly pay for the service assuming you still want my business.  As for the motor work I will call my card company back and dissolve my complaint and make sure you are paid properly.  Last, I don't believe a negative review online is warranted.  I'm going to try and remove it.  If I can't I will make sure it turns out to help you the best it can.  Thanks for the top notch customer service and I'm extremely sorry for being a total pain in the pass.
 
The Aftermath and conclusion:
 
Both Todd and I assumed a repair was done.  We each assumed the other did the repair.  The best I can tell is the motor was damaged in the shipping process.  From the photo there looks to be some epoxy around the threads.  I think that is just metal deformation because the bolt head hit something hard enough in shipping to break it clean off.  I sure the blow resulted in the "tooling marks" and the odd angle of the screw indicates the water pump had a large impact.  The motor was place in a cooler for shipment.  I can't justify how that happened and there is no evidence that it happened in the cooler. 
 
I contacted ripoff report 3x to have this post removed as I feeling that putting Todd on blast like this is totally unwarranted.  They will not remove this report.  So I'm updating it to show anyone that TH racing offers unprecedented customer service and even I will continue to use them.  So please don't hesitate to allow Todd and TH racing to do work for you.  You will not be disappointed.  Todds 100% satisfaction guarantee is just that.  He was willing to make me happy by fixing a problem he didn't create. 
 
Don't be like me, Any negative report that you read or hear about TH racing is bullshit.  Todd runs a top notch shop and his customer service is second to none. Use TH racing with great confidence.

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Here is the final email exchanges between Todd at TH racing and my self.  Please read.
 
8/1/16 Todd email to Me offering a solution:
 
Kawasaki will be open tomorrow.  I will order you parts and expedite the shipping if you will allow me to take care of the situation.  I will also do a carb mod for you at no charge, if you will ship the carb with the motor.  I’m not perfect but I can promise I did not lie to you.  I will do my very best to make you feel like you made a great decision in trusting TH Racing, if you allow me the chance.
 
8/1/16 My response to Todd after some reflection:
 
Todd,
 
I apologized for not calling.  I literally had no time until now to even communicate.  I've been pretty torque lately about this.  It guess it wasn't until tonight reading this that I realized that we both are being honest.  I know that when I disassembled/shipped the motor everything was as it should be.  I also realized now that you received it the way you describe.  How it got there like that is beyond me. Quite frankly I don't think we will ever know. When you told me it was previously repaired and arrived in that condition all I could think about was how shady of a situation this was.  I figured you were feeding me a line of crap to cover your ads.  To be frank this whole mess was a perfectly timed s**t storm in every aspect.  Here's my take.  If you didn't damage the cover then I don't think you should buy a new one.  Plus I already ordered one a few days ago.  As for the crab clean up, I will be sending you my crab from my kx65 in a few months when our season is done and I will gladly pay for the service assuming you still want my business.  As for the motor work I will call my card company back and dissolve my complaint and make sure you are paid properly.  Last, I don't believe a negative review online is warranted.  I'm going to try and remove it.  If I can't I will make sure it turns out to help you the best it can.  Thanks for the top notch customer service and I'm extremely sorry for being a total pain in the pass.
 
The Aftermath and conclusion:
 
Both Todd and I assumed a repair was done.  We each assumed the other did the repair.  The best I can tell is the motor was damaged in the shipping process.  From the photo there looks to be some epoxy around the threads.  I think that is just metal deformation because the bolt head hit something hard enough in shipping to break it clean off.  I sure the blow resulted in the "tooling marks" and the odd angle of the screw indicates the water pump had a large impact.  The motor was place in a cooler for shipment.  I can't justify how that happened and there is no evidence that it happened in the cooler. 
 
I contacted ripoff report 3x to have this post removed as I feeling that putting Todd on blast like this is totally unwarranted.  They will not remove this report.  So I'm updating it to show anyone that TH racing offers unprecedented customer service and even I will continue to use them.  So please don't hesitate to allow Todd and TH racing to do work for you.  You will not be disappointed.  Todds 100% satisfaction guarantee is just that.  He was willing to make me happy by fixing a problem he didn't create. 
 
Don't be like me, Any negative report that you read or hear about TH racing is bullshit.  Todd runs a top notch shop and his customer service is second to none. Use TH racing with great confidence.


Rebuttal

#3Author of original report

Mon, August 01, 2016

I have a picture of my son on his bike taken the day the crank failed.  It clearly shows an intact coolant drain plug.  The next day I pulled the motor from the bike and prepared it to ship.  I drained the coolant from that plug and placed the plug back in the hole by hand. 

Here is the email I sent Todd after he called me back.

Todd,
 
Yes I did file a report with the website.  If you read my description it pretty much explains everything.  I was honest in the report.  Indicating good customer service on your behalf up until you lied and blamed me for altering my motor.  Now I'm going to be frank.  It's just a freakin stripped plug.  No worries right?  My solution was going to be either sending the engine cover back to you to fix or swap out a carb service for another bike of mine and I could have a shop up here redrill and tap.  It really wasn't a big deal to me. 
 
Worse case scenario is buying a new or used cover to solve the problem.  What truly pissed me off was when you came out a said that the motor was altered prior to you receiving.  Lets be honest, you and I both know that's not the case.  I removed my coolant through that drain and I put that bolt back in by hand.  I remember this in great detail. I also tore that motor down 75% to figure out the damage and I reassemble it by hand tightening each nut and bolt so you could open it up easily. 
 
I also sent you a letter indicating areas of concern from the clutch basket, gear, washers, and oil plug hole threads ironically enough.  I would have listed that water pump bolt if it was a concern of mine. Secondly If I did repair that I would have never retapped the hole in this way.  My fix would have been a timesert, keensert, or helicoil.  So in terms of the repair I think several step were done inappropriately. Hence, my description of poor workmanship. What made matters worse is the fact you tried hiding the repair and covering it up by using epoxy and grinding down the bolt head.  I would have had no problem with you calling me up and saying you stripped the drain plug hole and attempted to fix it.
 
I understand things like that happen with these motors due to the soft metals and harder screws.   The fact you were dishonest about receiving the motor in that condition and accused me of doing that type of repair was completely unethical and speaks volumes to your character. Its a stupid drain hole.  It didn't deserve this type of attention.  I'm not going to argue and I'm definitely not going to get bent out of shape in any fashion in regards to this.  What did you expect me to do on the phone yesterday?  There is no point in arguing because it would get us no where. 
 
You stated your position.  If you supposedly received my motor with the repair that you seem so focused on since you noticed it "right away", why wouldn't you notify me about this concern when we talked on the phone prior to the work? I would think that if you though about possibly filing a shipping claim you would have notified me of this. I get mistakes happen, but not being honest is what bites us in the a*s.  What I've stated here and online is factually correct and honest. 
 
I stand by all my statements. I'm sorry it came down to this.  I did notify my credit card company and did dispute the charges so you will see something come of that also. I don't trust that what you said was performed was actually done.  What's the most frustrating is this is my sons bike.  He's the one that loses out the most. This weekend was slated to be his first race. Instead his bike is waiting to be repaired. This sport is about the kids and its that perspective that is often lost. They suffer from our mistakes.  From this point forward I will not be contacting you and I would appreciate you not contacting me.

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TH Racing

Fort Worth,
Texas,
USA
Customer contacted immediately

#4REBUTTAL Owner of company

Fri, July 29, 2016

I was made aware of this claim within 24 hours.  My company has been built on 100% customer satisfation for the past 16 years with satisfied customers world-wide.

For starters we have had over 18,000 motors through our doors.  It is not uncommon to see KX 85 drain bolts sheered off like this due to their location at the front of the engine.  We assumed it was a customer repaired item and must be holding antifreeze since there was no mention of this being an issue.  Also, when rebuilding the motor there is no need to remove a coolant drain bolt that has already had the coolant removed.  However, when the bolt is in normal condition it is removed and reinstalled with a new crush water behind it.

This is the side cover to the engine.  The engine and it's failed components (crank shaft, cylinder, piston, bearings and seals) are what we rebuilt and charged for. 

The customer did call me personally and explain the issue.  I told the customer the PROPER fix was to replace the cover, but that he may get by with JB weld or some type of epoxy.  The customer was so accepting of my advise I only assumed he was well aware of his existing issue.

I have placed a call to the customer immediately upon receiving this information and left a voicemail that I will replace his cover and apparently damaged items that we did not damage at our cost and cover the return shipping.

As far at the lying comment - I take exteme exception to that comment!!!

 

Todd Heemsbergen - President TH Racing

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