Larry
Tucson,#2Consumer Suggestion
Mon, December 13, 2004
The statute says that you must report it to a "peace officer." If you feel that your local police department will not protect your identity then I would contact the county sheriff's office. The statute states that you must make your initial report by telephone or in person and that you must follow it with a written report within 72 hours. The written report must contain: "1. The names and addresses of the minor and the minor's parents or the person or persons having custody of the minor, if known. "2. The minor's age and the nature and extent of the minor's abuse, child abuse, physical injury or neglect, including any evidence of previous abuse, child abuse, physical injury or neglect. "3. Any other information that the person believes might be helpful in establishing the cause of the abuse, child abuse, physical injury or neglect." The statute states that you may "cause reports to be made." That would imply you could give your information to a friend and have that friend contact the police. That would satisfy the requirement to "cause reports to be made" and keep your name out of the reports. The statute does not require you to report consensual sexual behavior if the kids are 14 or older. (The original poster indicated that her sexual contact with the principal was not consensual.) I contacted the Maricopa County Sheriff's Office by e-mail several months ago and received no response from them. I do not know what action, if any, they may have taken.
Another Anonymous Informer
Chandler,#3UPDATE Employee
Sat, December 11, 2004
Ms. Debbie Sant is a counselor at Desert Ridge High School and she is probably the anonymous informer above, because she is so jealous of Vicki Jones' promiscuity and infidelity. Ms. Jones has already been caught several times cheating on her and has seen first hand, the ill-effects of Vicki's power trip. Since Debbie is unable to effect Vicki with any revenge sex, all she can do is try to pay her back by exposing her peccadillos. Debbie has always been jealous that Vicki has gotten more teenage action than she has. The real problem is the Desert Ridge l*****n Mafia, who run the high school. If the District wants to get rid of the behavior problems, the drug problems, and the danger to other students, get rid of the Mafia, and their impotent titular principal, (because he does not represent the rest of the faculty). Well, Gilbert... this is what you get when you hire anyone who has an agenda, much less lesbians with agendas. They cannot NOT manipulate.
Lee
Glendale,#4Consumer Comment
Wed, September 08, 2004
I sent a copy of this e-mail to E.J. Montini @ the Arizona Republic and several different sex crimes prosecutors that I am aquainted with. For the teacher in this situtation please remember why you teach, hopefully it is because you love teaching and the students. Also, in Az you are mandated by law to report ANY suspected abuse to a student and failure to do so can cost you your certification(s). Not to long ago a teacher in Az was prosecuted for failing to report and was found to be negligent. Also, a several techers and admin staff lost their jobs for failing to report abuse by a teacher. I don't mean to sound abusive or mean but is this lady worth losing your career over? Lose of certs will follow you everywhere, turn the lady in!
Pat
Gilbert,#5Consumer Comment
Tue, September 07, 2004
To everyone concerned, I feel for the teachers and staff that have to deal with situations such as these, and I'm glad it was reported to the authorities. However, I feel the reporting may have been in vain. If you search this site for Mesa PD, you will see why. They are corrupt from top to bottom, and may even be involved somewhat in the soma drug ring. As for the actions of Ms. Jones, I find them irreprehensible. I only hope that when my daughter is old enough to attend school, she does not have to deal with cretins such as Vickie. I sincerely hope that this situation is dealt with as it seems that alot of kids may be involved. This is just as bad as the Catholic priests who abuse young boys.
Tim
Phoenix,#6Consumer Suggestion
Tue, September 07, 2004
To the anonymous subordinate who commented that (he/she) felt bad when thinking back at all the times "Dee" approached you for help. This isn't going to make you feel much better, but your comment is very important. It's a lesson to other adults on responding when children approach you: I was being abused in Grade 4 & 5 by my mother's live-in boyfriend at home in 1976/1977. My mother witnessed, and permitted the abuse to go on and on. I approached teachers twice. Once in 4th Grade, and once in 5th Grade. The thing is, you have no idea how excrutiating it was to get the courage up to do so. This was followed by immediate relief the moment it was said. That was then immediately followed by intense embarrassment and devastation when I realized the teacher wasn't going to help. The 4th Grade teacher told me not to mention it to anyone again and sent me from the classroom. The 5th Grade teacher told me I needed to tell my mother about it. When I explained that my mother was part of it, she didn't believe me. From 6th Grade on, my respect for teachers was terribly diminished. Those responses I received from those two teachers unraveled my academic ambitions, and stuck with me all the way through high school. Luckily, during the summer of 1977, a relative (Aunt) saw me and my younger sibblings in a grocery store. My face was considerably bruised. She collected us up in her car, took us to our grandparents, and we never again step foot back into that house (or into our mother's custody, for that matter). Ultimately after trial, the boyfriend was sent to jail for a year. I don't tell you this (abbreviated) story to make you feel worse. Hindsight is indeed 20/20. But folks, especially TEACHERS, please, please... if a child is opening up to you, REPORT, REPORT, REPORT. You can't even imagine how devastating it is when nothing happens. Let the *authorities* determine if there's substance to the claim. THAT'S NOT *YOUR* JOB to make that determination! But it is your job to respond, whether you think so or not. The publicity is ramping up on this one, so if the claims are deemed credible, this parasite will be removed from the system shortly. That's good news.
Tim
Phoenix,#7Consumer Suggestion
Tue, September 07, 2004
To the anonymous subordinate who commented that (he/she) felt bad when thinking back at all the times "Dee" approached you for help. This isn't going to make you feel much better, but your comment is very important. It's a lesson to other adults on responding when children approach you: I was being abused in Grade 4 & 5 by my mother's live-in boyfriend at home in 1976/1977. My mother witnessed, and permitted the abuse to go on and on. I approached teachers twice. Once in 4th Grade, and once in 5th Grade. The thing is, you have no idea how excrutiating it was to get the courage up to do so. This was followed by immediate relief the moment it was said. That was then immediately followed by intense embarrassment and devastation when I realized the teacher wasn't going to help. The 4th Grade teacher told me not to mention it to anyone again and sent me from the classroom. The 5th Grade teacher told me I needed to tell my mother about it. When I explained that my mother was part of it, she didn't believe me. From 6th Grade on, my respect for teachers was terribly diminished. Those responses I received from those two teachers unraveled my academic ambitions, and stuck with me all the way through high school. Luckily, during the summer of 1977, a relative (Aunt) saw me and my younger sibblings in a grocery store. My face was considerably bruised. She collected us up in her car, took us to our grandparents, and we never again step foot back into that house (or into our mother's custody, for that matter). Ultimately after trial, the boyfriend was sent to jail for a year. I don't tell you this (abbreviated) story to make you feel worse. Hindsight is indeed 20/20. But folks, especially TEACHERS, please, please... if a child is opening up to you, REPORT, REPORT, REPORT. You can't even imagine how devastating it is when nothing happens. Let the *authorities* determine if there's substance to the claim. THAT'S NOT *YOUR* JOB to make that determination! But it is your job to respond, whether you think so or not. The publicity is ramping up on this one, so if the claims are deemed credible, this parasite will be removed from the system shortly. That's good news.
Darren
Neenah,#8Consumer Comment
Tue, September 07, 2004
Hi All, Anon, you are in my thoughts. Dear God, it shouldn't have to be difficult to do the right thing. I am not naieve (even if I can't spell it) and I know that there are bad people or weak people in positions of authority. I do hope that you find someone of integrity to deal with this. To Dee, I again hope that if you can help then you do. Holding people accountable for their actions when they are in a positing of trust is so important! They were the ones in the wrong and no matter what they say, they are the ones that will be dealt with. Not you! My daughter is 16 and going to school in Arizona. Not at that school or that city. I want to make sure if there is a predator out there that she doesn't move to another district and ruin more lives. You all are in my thoughts!
Larry
Tucson,#9Consumer Comment
Mon, September 06, 2004
I reported this to the Mesa PD through their website and to the Maricopa County Sheriff through the county's official website. I also emailed it to the Gilbert Public Schools governing board through their website. The anonymous staff member is in a dilemma in reporting what she knows. The law requires her to report suspected child abuse, but she may jeopardize her position if her colleages find out. The one place that I did not think to go with this and it may be where the staff member is required to go is Child Protective Services. Since I am not a teacher or anyone else required by law to report I am not certain as to where one must report abuse. My suggestion is that you go directly to CPS and the Sheriff's office but not to school district officials. School district officials are unlikely to want an outside agency to investigate them, so it is best that you do not let the district know that you are making a report. The Sheriff and CPS are far more likely to protect your identity than the Mesa PD in whom I have no faith whatsoever based on my personal experiences. I do recall that a few years ago there was a male counsellor at Fairmont Middle School in Phoenix who was convicted of molesting boys and that the principal of the school was also convicted for trying to prevent staff from reporting it. My recollection is also that the principal had fired at least one school employee for reporting the molestations and that employee did NOT get her job back. While working for the Arizona Department of Administration back in 1988 I made the mistake of reporting criminal activity (on-the-job drug use and sales) to my managers. The managers informed each and every person that I had accused them. I was then fired based on evidence provided by the very people I had named. Management just did not want an outside agency conducting a criminal investigation as it makes them look like they were not doing their job. I mention this only because there can be dire consequences to trusting management. If there really is a problem at Desert Ridge it is important that someone with knowledge step forward. An anonymous report MAY be enough to start an investigation, but if no one is willing to testify under oath the investigation will go nowhere and nothing will change. I would hope that the person who wrote the original complaint will make a report of this at her local police department or sheriff's office even if she is no longer in Arizona.
Anonymous For Obvious Reasons
Gilbert,#10Consumer Comment
Mon, September 06, 2004
Darren, You are absolutely right about my obligation to report, but please try to understand the culture at this school. There is no suppoert for these types of accusation unless there is absolute evidence. If I were to report my "hunch" based on observations, there would be reprisals against me and the students observed victimized by Vicki in the questionable activity mentioned, nothing would be done and our lives would be destroyed. You simply don't know what sort of mafia she has around her. It is really weird to see them all sitting in the front row seats (which they have reserved for themselves) at the dance recitals. So how do I report the fact I THINK Vicki and her buddies are getting off watching young nubile girls dancing on stage, without destoying programs of people I love and respect? I do know the soma drug ring at Desert Ridge HS mentioned is a big problem because it developed at the same time that a student collapsed in the courtyard from a drug overdose. I mean, really... does this sound like a school well-managed in a very conservative town? The innocence and naivet of the young girls make them easy picking for the conniving sort like Ms. Jones. I am grateful to Larry who reported, but I think I must also report. I would like to know who Larry reported to so I can make sure my report goes the same place. Please post the contacts fr reporting. I was going to report tomorrow.
Darren
Neenah,#11Consumer Comment
Mon, September 06, 2004
Larry,
Good for you. I know that an accusation is simply that. I am about to get my license soon and if I were accused it would devestate me. But, if there is validity to this report then it really is important that it be followed up.
If you could update the information whenever you hear anything, it would be of great value.
To Dee. If what you have to say is true, then I would really encourage you to step forward and follow through with this. A true abuser doesn't stop.
It sounds like those that were responsible for your protection failed you.
If not for yourself, then for the others that she has abused, please consider coming out and speaking to those that can help you and the others.
Thanks,
Larry
Tucson,#12Consumer Comment
Mon, September 06, 2004
As soon as I saw this report earlier today I emailed it to the Mesa Police Department.
I am also sending it to the Maricopa County Attorney's office and to the school board.
There is no way to know whether this report is for real or whether it is an attempt to harm someone's reputation. Either way, it is best dealt with by law enforcement.
Darren
Neenah,#13Consumer Comment
Sun, September 05, 2004
Dear Anon,
If you are a teacher as it sound like you are... then you are a mandatory reporter which means that you are placing a lot of things at stake.
The safety of the students (the primary reason for mandatory reporting) as well as your license.
If you suspect that there is abuse like this going on... then you need to deal with it. I don't know the particulars of your situation, but the union, the police, the state social services... someone needs to be altered.
I know that this can be devestating... and there isn't a "smoking" gun... but that is why the law is in place. To take away the moral ambiguity.
I hope that you do the right thing if you really suspect that the reporter was truthful.
Anonymous for obvious reasons
Gilbert,#14UPDATE Employee
Sun, September 05, 2004
I think I know who Dee is and feel badly school administrators have not done something.
I have been a coworker and subordinate of Vicki Jones for many years. I have known of her predelection for women. Unofficially, her l*****n behavior is no secret, but most have not known what we have only suspected. It has always been discussed how some of the girls get crushes on Vicki like they do on male teachers as well. However, I don't think any of us realized, or were afraid to fathom, that Vicki was setting these relationships up. I, for one, believe this account. Why? Because Vicki is very aggressive and would likely be a predator in l*****n relationships. If Vicki were a gay male, they would be hypervigilant about the young boys, why not the same concern for the girls?
I also believe the plotting about the school board. I have witnessed her nose for posturing. The thing that rang true for me was the comments about Mormons and the conversion of school property. I have witnessed utterances of hatred from her about this school district, members of the school board, and parents who are Mormon, using their cult-like religion to brainwash their children.
She keeps a low profile about her lifestyle, but with the disclosure about the injustice to this girl (and many others, I am sure!) something needs to be done to review the morals of our teaching staff.
I do believe that I know who Dee is. The cancer comment tipped me off. I feel so badly because now I am reviewing all the times she came to me for help. I am filled with guilt and hope someone does something soon to protect our girls.
I have worked with lesbians before and do not consider myself prejudiced, but this goes far beyond the boundaries of acceptability. I will ensure the authorities and parents are notified.