Complaint Review: Blackwater Sports Chuck Anderson Tri-State MSBL Inc. Steve McCarthy Anaconda Sports - Denver Colorado

I was addressing Steve in my last letter when I should have been addressing you. I spent a few hours reading this entire report and was a bit bleary eyed at 3 am after it all... You make some very good points in your defense! If you were a Lawyer I would hire you! The way you worded things was perfect and right to the point. I'm sure they have no further defense and that is why they have not pressed the issue. I wish you well from here on out. As for our losses, there is not much we can do about it now. I'm sure there are many other people who were deceived and robbed by these crooks. It is a shame that there are people in this world like that. As if there are not enough issues to deal with on a daily basis. You have cleared a few things up for me and I thank you for that. I did not realize there was another party involved in this scam until I read this report... Chuckles and Steve: You will get what you deserve in life! Nothing! Who ever the guilty party is, I wish you a miserable life and hope you rot in Hell!!

Chance, I'm David. Steve was Chuck's partner. I know that Chuck was working with Steve. When I filed the Rip Off Report I had a notification sent to Chuck because he was the only one that I had communications with at that time. Steve was the one that responded. Either he just happened on to the Rip Off Report website or he was told about my report by Chuck. I think we both know which is the more likely of the two scenarios. I can't believe that after all the rukus he claimed not to know Chucks whereabouts. As far as Anaconda Sports is concerned, they were the suppliers of my site. The owner was a childhood friend of Steve McCarthy. When I called Anaconda Sports to find out who the commissions for the sales from my site were paid, I was told that all work for sales was filed away and that they would not do a search for that information. Does that sound like a supplier that you would want to do business with? Not me and I hope not anyone who reads this report. Can there be any question that they were all a part of my losses? Even though my losses for the site and the few sales that I had didn't amount to nearly what you're losses were, it was still revenue that belonged to me. Anyone claiming to be manageing or supplying a website for another individual that does not feel that way should be put out of business. In short I haven't recieved a dime from any of them. As far as I am concerned Anaconda Sports should have been the most concerned. As the supplier their reputation is at stake, but apparently it is as litte concern to them as it is to Chuck Anderson and Steve McCarthy. That says it all right there. Good sportsmen? I think not. I just "calls it like I sees it".

Well, well, well, what do we have here... A Rip Off Report pertaining to Chuck Anderson of Blackwater Sports. The thief Chuck Anderson or should I say weasel Charles Anderson AKA Chuckles or Chucky for short ripped me off a few years ago for well over $3,000.00!!! What do you think of them apples Stevie? Makes your $500.00 seem like small potatoes and that's not all... My business reputation was also sacrificed by this F@#$ing Idiot. I have worked far too hard in my business venture for some scumbag to try and ruin it! I was promised by Chuck Anderson of BlackWaterSports.net and BlackWaterSportsB2B.com to have several hundred pages built promoting his affiliate type program. I paid him $1,200 to do so and he never delivered what was promised. Instead Chuck built one main page that linked to other parts of his database. For months he used my site layout and logo without my permission and I had asked him to remove anything to do with my website several times. I suppose he was trying to associate my good business name with his inferior and failing business. I have had customers call me looking for orders that were placed through BlackWaterSports.net of which I did not know about. I have no way of ever knowing if my customers have even received what they ordered from Chuck of Black Water Sports. I'm sure they didn't! To date, Chuck Anderson owes me approximately $3,000 - $4,000 for sales that were derived from my website. I have reported Chuck Anderson and Blackwater Sports to the Better Business Bureau (BBB) of Colorado where the site is based out of. It turns out that they have had several complaints about this company. Here is a letter I sent to the BBB of Colorado: Blackwatersports.net and blackwatersportsb2b.com are practicing unethical business practices and feel they should be shut down. The owner is Chuck Anderson and he has scammed me and other business owners I have contacted. The site claims to offer a web store package for business owners and does not deliver what is says. I was scammed out of a $1,200.00 sign up fee and was told any sales derived from my website (avidoutdoors.com) would result in commisions owed to me. After several dozen orders derived from my site I asked for my commission check several times and never received it. There was always some excuse as to why the payment was not issued... Well over $2,000.00 in commision sales are still owed to me. Please look into this and consider shutting them down before anyone else becomes a victim. Please let me know if you have any questions. Thank you, Chance -- End BBB Letter --- Unfortunatly, I was told by the BBB that they can not do anything about it. All they do is receive and post complaints from people like Steve and I. Kind of USELESS if you ask me. When complaints are filed they should be investigated by the appropriate law enforcement department and action should be taken. Unfortunately, I was told by a police officer that little or nothing is ever done with matters like these. So the out of state scammers seem to win in the end by not having to face any consequences. On top of it all, I hired a lawyer in Colorado for $150.00. He sent Charles a letter requesting a resolution and as you may have guessed, there was no response. My lawyer actually went to Chucks' house where he was running his half-a*s operation in Denver to hand deliver him a letter of resolve. Once again, no response. Soon after, Chuck changed his address on the site from a Denver Colorado address to a Thornton Colorado address which is a ghetto in Colorado I was told by my Laywer. Hiring a lawyer out of state can be much more difficult to deal with. Most Laywers won't even help you as I found out. The lawyer who was willing to help me would have cost too much and was just was not worth the time and aggravation. I have since given up on this loss as I have ran out of gas on the subject. Do not trust Charles Anderson of Blackwater Sports or anyone associated with him under any circumstances! I am only posting this letter so that other people do not get scammed by this guy. I would hate to see anyone else become a victim! Steve: Did you ever get paid the $500.00? I'd love to see the $3-$4,000.00 that is owed to me. If anyone has info regarding a class action lawsuit I would appreciate it! The statue of limitations may have already ran out and I do not think I can do anything about it anyway. I'm sure Chuckles isn't exactly laughing his way to the bank anymore and a lawsuit may be futile.

Stephen You requested information from anyone that knows the whereabouts of Chuck Anderson. I just received a news flash that the address of Blackwater Sprots has been changed from 224 Cook Street, Denver, Colorado, to 13623 Cook, Thornton, Colorado 80602. If your legal team works quickly they may be able to catch him before he leaves U.S. airspace. Chuckes, I heard through the grapevine that Stephans legal team is onto you. You better pack your bags and get a move on. Ellyn, Chuckles and Stephan have had plenty of time to do the right thing. The only way an olive branch will work with the criminal element is if you strip the leaves off and whip the sh_ _ out of them with it!!

Stephen The sign of an intelligent man is one who pays his debts. My $500.00 was paid to Tri-State MSBL Sports. That's YOU! Denying complicity doesn't work here. Ellyn There are eight unanswered complaints on this company filed with the Colorado BBB. Normally I would agree that sugar attracts more flies than vinegar, but when that doesn't work a little RAID in the mix doen't hurt anything, if only for the sake of other consumers that can't afford to loose their money to a scheme like this. You see I fall into that catagory. In the case that you haven't noticed the only response from either Chuckles or Stephen has been to express their innocense and guilt of the other. Neither has addressed a solution for giving me back my money. They would have everyone believe that they are the victims. Our prisons are full of innocent people like this. If everyone could take money from the consumer and keep it by pointing a finger at someone else then it's apparent that I've been in the wrong persuit and my life has been a waste. The comes a point where you have to call a deadbeat a deadbeat and a door knob a door knob. And itsn't that what we're dealing with here. I appreciate your opinion. That what a public oforum is all about.

I was bored and was surfing the internet and came upon this site. I read all your letters and found it to be quite sad. I do not know who is right or wrong but no one is going to get this solved it seems to me. The letters are getting worse and worse and the level of decency has degraded to a very low point. David is mad and has a right to be. The only thing I disagree with him on is the nasty comments. I have found that constructive dialog works best. I would suggest Chuck and Steve to settle this. I do not know about you, but $500 is not a lot of money and definitely does not deserve to be aired like this. The problem is that things have moved from discussion to the gutter. It is difficult to improve from there unless an olive branch is offered by someone. I do not know how Robin fits in but the profanity and disgusting language is not needed here. If you cannot have constructive things to say without the use of foul language it is best to be quiet. I do not like it when people instigate a fight only to get enjoyment sitting on the side and watching. I sense a young inmature person here. I hope you all can learn from my insight.

I don't know David, so how can I be a "groupie"? I do admire the way he is raking you over the coals, though...my kind of consumer. It is the fact that David makes sense and you make none...ding, ding, ding, whee, whee...BS Detector in full alert mode now. Stephen, you come on a public forum spouting lies and impossibilities and expect people to believe your BS??!! Amazing! And you think no one will call you on it? Have you had your testicles measured lately? Are they visible from earth-orbiting satellites? This is the Rip-off Report where eagle-eyes are always watching for fraud, duh! I am amazed that no one else has responded to your nonsense, but I guess you are too small time. Except to David, who only asks that his money be returned for non-service. Reasonable enough. In David's place, I would refuse to talk to you, too. Here is why 1) you are a known liar and 2) people that lie openly and publicly usually have no compunctions about stealing, too. I would not talk to you unless you were hooked up to a polygraph machine during the conversation. I would demand all things from you to be in writing and notarized as to the veracity of your statements. Besides, numbnuts, you cannot mail a check over the phone lines. A telephone call will not make David whole. A check in the mail and the cessation of your silliness would suffice. You still don't get it, do ya'? You are not only a loser, you are an idiot to go with it.

I have tried to discuss this with you and all you want to do is leave cute sayings like "Come on out from under the bed. I'm about ready to thump a dead beat up along side the head and I thought you might be able to take some pointers." All you do is threaten. Your groupies here seem to like it also. The sign of an intelligent person is one who can discuss their concerns in a constructive manner. I gladly accept you challange to sue me. There at least, you will have to respond in an adult manner. The facts will come out and the truth will be known. Is my company or my name in the contract you signed. Guess what... it isn't, why, because I was never a part of Blackwater Sports. Unlike this place where a person can just throw lies and half truths about a person you have never met, never spoke to and never had any correspondence with except here. This really puzzles me! And if a judge determines you are correct, I will pay you your $250, (which I have never had). But this is neither here nor there because you will not take the time to find out the truth. Otherwise, have a good life. It seems to me that you deserve Chuck as you seem to have a similar personality. Bye....

Stephen I have had only one call from you to which I did not respond. If you're trying to say that you'll pay me what I am owed fine. If not and you still want to talk, talk to your legal counsel. It's apparent that they need someone to talk to. I don't.

Simple question. Is it that you do not want to settle this matter? Or is it that you want to call me names to show how much of a big man you are. You have my phone number, call me, otherwise Shut-up!

Chuckles, It really is all about you isn't it? All that banter about how well you're business is doing wasn't to address my complaint. It was an attempt to convince Stephen and Anaconda Sports. Changing the name or ownership of a company will do nothing to exonorate its tainted past. You have said or done nothing to improve that image. Who in their right mind would buy into a dung heap like that? You're silence shows me that you have no defense at all. It shows cowardice and a fear of being exposed. Sleep on Chuck. Your battle has just begun and your worst enemy is you.

OK, things are clearer now. I don't think this deal was intended to defraud anyone. A conflict between partners occurred. It happens. The partners split. That also happens. One party (likely both) did some rather stinky things with accounts and monies. That also happens. Neither of you can pass the Clean Hands doctrine. Just because you are angry with each other, you have posted a remarkable example of pointing the finger and passing the buck, while claiming to not know what "the other guy was up to". No defense there, just ask Mr. B. Ebbers the former CEO of WorldCom. He could have up to 85 years to answer you.... When you join into a business venture with another party, it is your duty to KNOW. It is like a marriage and one party is responsible for the actions of the other. Think hard before you get into the yoke with someone else ever again and, if you do, practice due diligence for your own protection. Stephen wants to "talk on the phone secretly", no doubt to slur Charles some more. And pass some more bucks (pass some David's way, clown). If he has video conferencing, David might see him pointing his finger, too. Charles made an offer for another website; David does not want to take up that offer and is not required to do so. I can't say I blame him; he was treated shabbily and most humans will develop an aversion to exposing themselves to more of that. Charles and Stephen have both expended amazing amounts of energy trying to tell us all that he is not the one at fault. Writing a check would have taken a lot less energy and looked so much better than this debacle. The Court of Public Opinion is now holding both Stephen and Charles in very low esteem. NO ONE wants to do business with a person who feels they are not responsible for anything, a lesson Chuck and Stephen should both learn. Nothing sways popular opinion as much as a good faith effort to make an unhappy consumer whole. David is giving both of you a chance and you are both blowing it! Dummies! Neither of you have convinced anybody that you are not equally responsible for repaying David. He is not to blame for your failed relationship. Instead you both scream, holler and whine like spoiled children on a playground. You have shown a remarkable lack of character and integrity and I wouldn't trust either of you with fifty cents. Kudos to David for asking for what is rightfully his in the first place. I hope he will let us know if he ever gets paid by either party. But I hope David is not holding his breath; he may not look good in blue. Do the right thing for David and it will look much better in the Court of Public Opinion. Right now, you are both found to be huge LOSERS!

Stephen, Come on out from under the bed. I'm about ready to thump a dead beat up along side the head and I thought you might be able to take some pointers. Chuckles, In your rebuttal entitled MSBL Sports and Anaconda Sports you said it is unfortunate the guy from Otter Creek lost his 500 dollar, however no one knew that Reda was going out of business. I hope that you are not trying to excuse yourself by saying that because Reda Sports went out of business you had a right to keep my $500.00. My contract was with your business, Blackwater Sports not with Reda Sports. I contracted with you to stock and maintain my web-site with sports equipment and pricing supplied by Reda. It was your responsibility to inform me that Reda had gone out of business, and that you would be unable to meet our contract, and return my money if that was the case. Instead I had to send an e-mail to you dated January 4, 2004 asking for clarification on Reda's closing. In your reply of the same date you said new sites would have to be built and new suppliers signed. Nothing was said about not being able to meet that contract and as far as I was concerned as long as everything that Reda offered could be acquired through another supplier it was of no consequence to me. . Your site to this day dosen't offer the inventory that Reda had. You were unable to make the transition. For that reason and others mentioned in my original report, I sent you an e-mail on April 14, 2004 requesting a refund of my $500.00. That was sent to YOU not Stephen McCarthy or anyone else. You have had almost a year now to make things right, but have chosen not to reply. Is that supposed to make me or any of your potential clients that may be reading this report believe that Stephen McCarthy abscounded with my money. That does not impose the picture of an honest businessman that had been victimized by his partner. I'm beginning to see where you would fail the Clean Hands Doctrine most miserably yourself. And how do you answer that same request for my $500.00 today? You've had almost a year now to author an answer. Are you man enough to toe the plate or are you going back into your self imposed exile? Maybe you and Stephen have more in common then you think. You both run and hide at the least hint of a problem. That's hardly the kind of person that I can imagine having anything to do with sports. That's not the type of person that any self-respecting sportsman would deal with. That's the kind of toad that would get the weggies in gym class similar to the one your getting right now!! You would be willing to help me out by giving me a web-site? SURELY YOU JEST. Give me my money! If you're doing as well as you say you are that should be no problem at all. Now, when you catch your breath I'd appreciate a reply. I hope I haven't scared you back into your spider-hole. Stephen, And you suspect in some way that I am working with this magnanimous lout? Shame on you.

Chuck, Stephen came on line with "Chuck Anderson is a A1 Con man, now your coming online with "you guys are finding out firsthand what kind of guy Steve is". Time and our actions from this time forth will determine how these words translate to the public and to myself. I certainly hope that they don't turn out to mean "once upon a time". We could go on and on about Steve being totally at fault but I'm afraid that with eight unanswered complaints to Colorado's BBB that you will have as difficult of a time with the credibility issue as Steve had. It's not that you are totally at fault or that Steve is totally at fault. I appreciated Stephen coming forward as I do you. All that I have been trying to do here is demonstrate to both of you (and I have many times over) that this was a joint venture, whether its called a partnership or not makes no difference. You both have to admit complicity in accepting my money and both will be held accountable for paying it back. If it has to go as far as the court system, I'm sure you can see that the court does not have time nor would they consider deciding which of you is the nicer guy. The only considerations that they would have would be the facts: 1.You and Stephen were working together 2.You accepted $500.00 from me for services 3.Those services were not fulfilled I have offered to settle this thing for $250.00 from each of you. That would not even cover your court costs say nothing about the additional expenses my attorney would ask for. And who do you think would win? You've both admitted that I have the money coming. The only problem either of you have had is whom you feel owes that money. As far as I am concerned you both have had the use of my money for about 2 years now interest free. All that I'm asking is the return of my original $500.00. How could I possibly be more fair than that? Stephen had to be dragged around on the stage of public opinion a bit, but when he grows up he'll thank us for helping him see how much better things go when you deal with the consumer in a straight forward manner. I'm sure the bruises will heal. This could go on and on. I'm hoping that it doesn't but if that's what everone wants I'm up to the challenge. I'll leave it up to you. As far as regretting my loss, don't. I do not intend to quit until I have my $500.00 in hand. And why should there be a problem with that? You both seem to be doing well with your business ventures.

This is Chuck Anderson My phone number is the same 1.720.941.4987 ... I have been following this report. I will say this, you guys are finding out first hand the type of individual Steve is. You guys are smart and I aplaud your reasonable deduction. Steve and I were in business together for 4 years or more. Steve set up the bank accounts or already had them in place. Tri-State MSBL is the account he and I used to transact all of our business. I can send you email attachements of where he sent me the logon and pass codes to write transcation processing into our web site. I can also send you correspondence of where he tried several times to join his company with mine. Fact is Steve negotiated the deal for AnacondaSports to drop ship sporting goods for our joint venture. We would take orders from loyal Reda customers and pass the orders direct to AnacondaSports. AnancondaSports would then process the customers credit card and ship the product. The deal was made with JOE STOTE. AnacondaSports said they would pay Steve and I 7% of the sale. Well they didn't. When Steve and I parted, Steve got together with Joe Stote and they decided not to pay me but instead elected to pay Steve. Steve is a financial analyst and he was unable to to determine the meager 9,000 + dollars paid him is far below what AnacondaSports agreed to pay. For 3 months running we were selling 60,000-80,000 per month for AnacondaSports alone. Not to mention we sold for these guys for 2 years. They paid less than 10,000 dollars. Of the 9,000 some odd dollars I received 1 check from AnacondaSports for 900 dollars. 600 of which i sent to Steve because he complained he was behind on Mortgage...Or they were going to take his house. It is unfortunate that the guy from Otter Creek lost his 500 hundred dollar, however no one knew REDA was going out of business. If you continue to press Steve for answers you will see he is painting himself in a corner. He will also become more agitated and basically start attacking you. No merchant account is going to give out information to a third party or any one else for that matter....Fact is Steve gave out the information. We processed for years with no problem. The problem started when we split..Steve decided to say I broke into his account. Don't know about you ... If some one broke into my merchant account and stole money and I knew who that individual was I would call the police. I ain't trying to hide...Steve knows where and how to reach me...like you said he don't want find me. As far as the website being down for 3 days...that is correct Steve structured a deal with TelosONline they actually kept all of my data and datbase and software design. Steve put together a good plan to destroy my business, however I am in business and doing quite well. My page ranking and sells are great. I apologize that it had to come to this ... I am willing to do something for the guy to help his loss. I am willing to host a store for you in the near future. There is a buyer for our company. I am closing the deal in 3 weeks, I can grandfather your store in if you prefer. Also if there were any orders sold on your site I can get you all processing information from AnacondaSports I do keep records and have every order on file. I would call John Stote at AnacondaSports and ask him to whom he paid the check. That is a simple question. If he can't answer that you have to question how above board AnacondaSports is.

Stephen and Chuck, According to the SportsEdge Magazine for January 2004, Black water by Jamar Laster, www.blackwatersports.b2b.com owned by Blackwater Sports, Inc. was hosting www.msblsports.com as well as its own site www.blackwatersports.net. It also hosted and maintained inventory for independent site owners. Blackwater was contracted to load and maintain inventory on my site. Chuck Anderson owned Blackwater Sports and was using Reda Sports as a supplier while Steve McCarthy the owner of MSBL Sports was using Anaconda Sports as its supplier. When Reda Sports closed unexpectedly in November of 2003, it appears that Chuck made some sort of arrangement with Steve to use his page templates and supplier (Anaconda and to some degree Steve himself). The change to my site became apparent in January 2004 when it began to look like sites owned by Steve McCarthy (MSBL, SOS, MVP etc.)The pages layout was identical and prices were the same. Later I noticed that the prices on my site were increased while the prices on the other sites remained the same. On Feb. 8, 2004 I sent an e-mail of complaint to Chuck saying in part "both www.blackwatersportsb2b.com and your other sites www.msblsports.com have identical prices lower than mine. Those prices were not lowered mine were raised." In another complaint issued the same day I said "MVP Sports, SOS Sports, MSBL Sports, An Athlete's Store, and MSBL Sports are obviously stores that have been build by Blackwater Sports are or were owned by Blackwater Sports and are supplied by Blackwater Sports. Be that as it may all their pricing is identical and the same as mine used to be." "Can you tell me that you are no reducing prices to benefit your own interests while you set the prices higher on my site? (part of a service for which I paid you $500.00). Chuck replied with an e-mail that read in part "I don't own those sites, never owned those sites..Reda is out of business..I do use the supplier, however you will be able to set you own prices soon. This was an interesting reply for a company that I had paid $500.00 to maintain an inventory and do the pricing etc. Chuck's own site's and those owned by Steve McCarthy all reflected the lower prices. By charging me $500.00 to maintain my site and then placing it at a disadvantage in relation to sites owned by them was a violation of Federal Law (Clayton Antitrust Law, I believe). I hope you recognize that there is enough right there for me to step out and let the authorities do the walkin......but that wouldn't be any fun! Keep in touch!

Stephen Quoting you in your rebuttle, "Let's settle this", you said "If you do not call, I will consider the matter closed". I will put your mind at ease right now. It was my $500.00 dollars that was stolen. I will say when this matter is closed. You went on to complain about my continuing an attack on you, Tri-State MSBL and Anaconda Sports. Neither you or Anaconda have given me any reason to stop. I don't see any rebuttals from Anaconda. Certainly you and John Stotes Jr. at Anaconda Sports have to recognize that there is a problem when a sports equipment supplier funnels royalties away from the account of the rightful owner to the account of an old acquaintance and then refuses to give the rightful owner any information about where these royalties went. What self respecting sports equipment dealer would even bother to deal with a supplier that involves itself in that type of activity. Profits are slim enough the way it is. There are ways, means and Agencies that handle this type of thing and it will be handled in due time. You claim to be in pursuit of Chuck Anderson for embezzlement is purely B.S. It's apparent that you have never been looking for him. I believe you're afraid that you might find him. If you could give me just one good reason why I should stop attacking you, it would have to be--my $500.00 back. In Robins Rebuttal: Response from "Idiot without a Life" but with a finely tuned "BS Detector" you were given some free legal information from an obviously generous person. That same information learned in a courtroom would cost you dearly. I think you should thank Robin for his thoughtful advise.

Stephen Quoting you in your rebuttle, "Let's settle this", you said "If you do not call, I will consider the matter closed". I will put your mind at ease right now. It was my $500.00 dollars that was stolen. I will say when this matter is closed. You went on to complain about my continuing an attack on you, Tri-State MSBL and Anaconda Sports. Neither you or Anaconda have given me any reason to stop. I don't see any rebuttals from Anaconda. Certainly you and John Stotes Jr. at Anaconda Sports have to recognize that there is a problem when a sports equipment supplier funnels royalties away from the account of the rightful owner to the account of an old acquaintance and then refuses to give the rightful owner any information about where these royalties went. What self respecting sports equipment dealer would even bother to deal with a supplier that involves itself in that type of activity. Profits are slim enough the way it is. There are ways, means and Agencies that handle this type of thing and it will be handled in due time. You claim to be in pursuit of Chuck Anderson for embezzlement is purely B.S. It's apparent that you have never been looking for him. I believe you're afraid that you might find him. If you could give me just one good reason why I should stop attacking you, it would have to be--my $500.00 back. In Robins Rebuttal: Response from "Idiot without a Life" but with a finely tuned "BS Detector" you were given some free legal information from an obviously generous person. That same information learned in a courtroom would cost you dearly. I think you should thank Robin for his thoughtful advise.

Stephen Quoting you in your rebuttle, "Let's settle this", you said "If you do not call, I will consider the matter closed". I will put your mind at ease right now. It was my $500.00 dollars that was stolen. I will say when this matter is closed. You went on to complain about my continuing an attack on you, Tri-State MSBL and Anaconda Sports. Neither you or Anaconda have given me any reason to stop. I don't see any rebuttals from Anaconda. Certainly you and John Stotes Jr. at Anaconda Sports have to recognize that there is a problem when a sports equipment supplier funnels royalties away from the account of the rightful owner to the account of an old acquaintance and then refuses to give the rightful owner any information about where these royalties went. What self respecting sports equipment dealer would even bother to deal with a supplier that involves itself in that type of activity. Profits are slim enough the way it is. There are ways, means and Agencies that handle this type of thing and it will be handled in due time. You claim to be in pursuit of Chuck Anderson for embezzlement is purely B.S. It's apparent that you have never been looking for him. I believe you're afraid that you might find him. If you could give me just one good reason why I should stop attacking you, it would have to be--my $500.00 back. In Robins Rebuttal: Response from "Idiot without a Life" but with a finely tuned "BS Detector" you were given some free legal information from an obviously generous person. That same information learned in a courtroom would cost you dearly. I think you should thank Robin for his thoughtful advise.

Stephen,

Your suggestion that I "get a life" is amusing. I have a life...a very full life, thank you very much! The upshot of my long and sometimes exciting life is a finely tuned "BS Detector". You are setting off all the bells and whistles with this "sob story" of yours.

If you got "ripped off" by Charles "Chuck" Anderson, well, that is a shame indeed. I think that may make you a victim of your own poor choices. The rub lies in that your bad judgment has created other victims.

So, run for the lawyers, hurry! Going to file a suit right away against..whom...Charles Anderson, RipoffReport.com, David, me, everybody on the planet?

You are amusing...you probably cannot pass this legal test:

Clean Hands Doctrine

n. Under the clean hands doctrine, a person who has acted wrongly, either morally or legally - that is, who has 'unclean hands' - will not be helped by a court when complaining about the actions of someone else. The person's activities that weren't involved in the legal action can be abominable because they are considered irrelevant. For example, a defendant may claim that the plaintiff violates the clean hands doctrine because the plaintiff has misled the defendant or done something incorrectly regarding the matter being considered. For example: A former partner sues on a claim that he was owed money on a consulting contract with the partnership when he left, but the defense states that the plaintiff has tried to get customers from the partnership by spreading untrue stories about the remaining partner's business practices.

You are screwed, because my BS Detector says that you were involved up to your eyeballs with this scheme. You and Anderson were fully connected at some point in the past and he was just more clever than you. He gotcha'! And you are hung!

So, file your suit against the parties of your choice and prove that your hands are clean in a court of law. I do not think you will pass this test and every defendant's lawyer should invoke the Clean Hands Doctrine right away. The upshot of that will be that YOU will be the one exposed!

Save yourself some money and send David a check right away. Refunding David's $500.00 will be less expensive than a trial and will save you a lot of public embarrassment. It does not seem that he is going away, and I may never go away, either. Your story reeks!

I am also an "idiot" with my own merchant account, so I know without a doubt that your claims are fraudulent. If it did, it simply means that you did not do your own due diligence in taking care of business and that will not let you off the hook in a courtroom either.

My advice to you is to go get yourself a life; a life that will not create victims while you try to gain an easy buck! And send David a refund; it is the only sane and fair thing to do.

What an observing and deserving public and I need from you is some credibility.

1. I have already demonstrated that you had a working relationship with Blackwater sports long before you supplied my site with anything. That would put that relationship in the timeframe when my credit card was charged $500.00 by your company Tri-State MSBL. You claim to have proof that Chuck Anderson ripped-off your merchant account. You've provided this public forum with nothing but a claim. What law enforcement agency or law firm can provide that proof? Is it the same one that you claim is persuing Chuck Anderson for embezzlement.

2. You claim all these other companies and people have been ripped-off by Chuck Anderson, but none of them are forthcoming. As far as I know Chuck Anmderson is not an internationally known sports equipment smuggler, and those people are not in some witness protection program. Short of that, I can see no reason that they should be concerned about telling the truth on this forum. That leaves the appearance that they may be as uncertain about who was responsible for their losses as I am.

3. You claim that Chuck Anderson "shut down his operation and moved and that you have been unable to locate him". Who has been unable to locate him? Your legal people? If so I hope you're not paying them much. Send them over and I'll teach them how to dial a phone. On January 18,2005 I called and spoke to Chuck twice at 720-941-4987, I know that he hadn't booked a flight out of the country up to that date anyway. As far as favoring Chuck Anderson, I've not heard anything coming from his mouth that I would swear as a fact either. At this point I wouldn't buy a used car from either of you say nothing about sports equipment. I wouldn't expect the public to either. The fact that both of you are apparently undergroung and refuse to deal with this openly conjures up the image of two paranoid meth-heads trying to escape the reality of the situation. That's a poor side to show the public that butters you bread. (Smile for the cameras).

4. If you really want to settle this "man to man", then you'll have to act like a man. Step up to the plate don't crawl under it. Nothing could be settled in a private telephone conversation that couldn't be settled even better in front of God and an observant public.
If you really want to settle this either get some credibility and work with me or cross my sweatty little palm with $500.00.

I think that I have been patient enough about explaining my situation, but my patients are wearing thin.

Stephen,

In defense of Robins comments in an earlier rebuttal: If it looks like a duck, smells like a duck and quacks like a duck, its probably a duck. But what if it looks like a lie?

This forum has the potential of of being viewed by millions of people from around the world each day. In other words we are standing in front of a world court. Based on what they see these people determine whether or not they will do business with us.

It's time to put our money where our mouth is and get those people that have suffered loss to turn in a rip-off report to this forum. Otherwise we may start looking like a duck!!!!!!!!

Stephen,

The only way that this thing will ever be resolved is if those people whom you claim were ripped off by Chuck Anderson will each fill out a rip-off report of their own. If they are willing to do that it will go a long way toward clearing you if you were not a party to this. If they are unwilling to do that I have all the time in the world to keep this thing moving forward. In short money (my money, $500.00) talks BS walks ( and it can be a mighty long walk if everyone wants it done that way). As far as siding with Chuck Anderson is concerned I only come to his defense if I know he was in the right about something. I'm not interested in revenge I'm interested in justice. If he took my money he will eventually recieve the brunt of of this. If rip-off reports are not submitted by those who were wronged it will remain your word against his. I will not relent until this is settled.

Stephen,

I recieved your message on my call waiting this A.M., but I decline to discuss this over the telephone. The object to dealing with this online is that it keeps everything aboveboard without an opportunity to dispute what was said.

You mentioned in your message that you could provide phone numbers. When I called Anaconda I was told that all hard copies of any invoices in question were filed away and that copies of them would not be provided. That should sum up my need for telephone numbers. Things have progressed past that point.

Am I to believe that your legal team has not made hot persuit of a man that allegedly owes you and others thousands of dollars but is more than ready to attack a forum that provides an effective method for the general public to deal with deceptive business practices. With that in mind, what is a telephone conversation going to accomplish?????

I posted my phone number for you to call but the owner of this website obviously does not want you to contact me because it was not posted.

Contact me and you will get the answers. Chuck Anderson has slimed my company in so many ways. He stole money from my company by gaining access to our merchant account and our bank account. The idiot who wants to know if I have been to confession...Get a Life!

David. Man to Man, call me 845-355-6950. The truth will open your eyes. I will give you all the names and numbers of the ripped off and you can see for yourself who is the culprit.

If you do not call, I will consider this matter closed. I also would have a sneaking feeling that you may be associated with Chuck Anderson in some way to continue this attack on myself, Tri-State and Anaconda Sports.

Hopefully you call.

I posted my phone number for you to call but the owner of this website obviously does not want you to contact me because it was not posted.

Contact me and you will get the answers. Chuck Anderson has slimed my company in so many ways. He stole money from my company by gaining access to our merchant account and our bank account. The idiot who wants to know if I have been to confession...Get a Life!

David. Man to Man, call me 845-355-6950. The truth will open your eyes. I will give you all the names and numbers of the ripped off and you can see for yourself who is the culprit.

If you do not call, I will consider this matter closed. I also would have a sneaking feeling that you may be associated with Chuck Anderson in some way to continue this attack on myself, Tri-State and Anaconda Sports.

Hopefully you call.

I posted my phone number for you to call but the owner of this website obviously does not want you to contact me because it was not posted.

Contact me and you will get the answers. Chuck Anderson has slimed my company in so many ways. He stole money from my company by gaining access to our merchant account and our bank account. The idiot who wants to know if I have been to confession...Get a Life!

David. Man to Man, call me 845-355-6950. The truth will open your eyes. I will give you all the names and numbers of the ripped off and you can see for yourself who is the culprit.

If you do not call, I will consider this matter closed. I also would have a sneaking feeling that you may be associated with Chuck Anderson in some way to continue this attack on myself, Tri-State and Anaconda Sports.

Hopefully you call.

I posted my phone number for you to call but the owner of this website obviously does not want you to contact me because it was not posted.

Contact me and you will get the answers. Chuck Anderson has slimed my company in so many ways. He stole money from my company by gaining access to our merchant account and our bank account. The idiot who wants to know if I have been to confession...Get a Life!

David. Man to Man, call me 845-355-6950. The truth will open your eyes. I will give you all the names and numbers of the ripped off and you can see for yourself who is the culprit.

If you do not call, I will consider this matter closed. I also would have a sneaking feeling that you may be associated with Chuck Anderson in some way to continue this attack on myself, Tri-State and Anaconda Sports.

Hopefully you call.

Stephen,

I have accused no one. All that I have done is repeat what I was told by others. I don't know you or Chuck personnaly and have opposing views to deal with.

If you look in SportsEDGE Magazine Online, January 2004 Black water, By Jamar Laster http://www.sgma.com/sportsedge/articles/2004/1/article1074196303-10937.shtml shows a relationship between Blackwater and www.mslbsports.com. '

All that I am saying by this is that it appears to me that you had some sort of working relationship with Blackwater Sports before you supplied Blackwater or myself with anything.

My site and Blackwaters site were identical and reflected Reda's catalogue exactly until Reda went out of business. Only then did my site and Blackwater's site begain to look more like MSLB.
Prior to that my sole problem was Reda's inventory. They obviously didn't intend to provide Blackwater with a new inventory because they were going out of business. The inventory on my site reflected that fact. It was only after Reda closed that I started to have more serious problems.

I also know as a fact that my credit card was billed by Tri-State MSLB. That's your business. Maybe Chuck did use your merchant account, but there is a lot of information that he has to know before he can use your account in that way. I will never believe that he used it without your consent. What would you think if your credit card was billed for $500.00 by my merchant account and I told you that I was totally unaware of it. I think you might question that a bit.

I also know for a fact that MSLB, Anaconda,or Telos haven't proceded with their own report concerning their experiences with Chuck Anderson. They should do that if they expect him to be exposed for wrong doing. There are now something in the order of eight complaints to the Better Business of Colorado that he hasn't answered yet. I'm sure those people would like to see some input.

As far as getting your legal people moving, knock yourself out. It would show a lack of concern on your part if you didn't. I was beginning to think that maybe you weren't that excited about having the whole thing looked into. Even though I think that having any of my observations censured is humerous, you should push onward. I think the old saying "if the shoe fits" applies here. Anything that I have said in this entire report has either been what I have been told by others, what I have documentation to demonstrate or what I think about the situation.

Definitely push onward, I intend to.

Stephen says:

"To clarify the $500 charge. Chuck Anderson charged you $500 using Tri-States Merchant account without permission. He proceeded to take the money from the account. Both the charges and the removal of the money was done without our knowledge. It took us several months to uncover his scheme. We did not know who you were or that Chuck had even charged you money."

How did Charles Anderson access Tri-State's merchant account if he was in no way affiliated with Tri-State? There are very narrow parameters that allow access to merchant accounts.

It is nigh onto impossible to do what is stated here. Anderson was able to charge through and withdraw funds from this merchant account with no knowledge by Tri-State?

Bull$hit! Merchant accounts send out monthly account activity statements and it should have taken no more than one to one-and-a half months to uncover all this "fraud". Sounds as though no one was looking for fraud until just here lately.

Someone is lying here. Someone made a bad partnering decision and is now trying to weasel out of his liability when the partner stole and left the area.

Has Stephen been to Confession lately?

David:

You have your facts wrong. You obviously are upset and refuse to accept the facts that Chuck Anderson ripped you off. You are attacking other companies and posting this on the internet. Our attornies will be contacting this website to remove our name from this site or face a lawsuit.

Chuck and Stephen

The fact that neither of you have made a Rip-Off report of your own concerning the alleged illegal activities of the other speaks volumes.
The fact that a week has passed with no revelation as to a law enforcement agency or a law firm being envolved indicates to me that neither of you are eager to have the whole business looked into. It just supports my previous assumption that you owe me $250.00 each.
It really surprises me that neither of you feel that your reputation is worth that--Maybe you're right. I hope you know that these reports are forever. I'm waiting, but not for long.

Stephen,

Although I appreciate your explaination I have a few problems with it.

1. Reda Sports referred me to Chuck Anderson as per my original report. Chuck was not just making the claim of building sites for Reda.

2. On our first telephone conversation Chuck gave me your name, and telephone number in the event that I could not reach him. He also said that you were working on the sites with him and was living in New York. Such detailed information is hardly something someone would give out if it were not true.

3. You said that he used your merchant account information without your permission. How did he get that information unless he had some sort of business arrangement with you? What's even more mysterious is that he made deposits (one of which was my $500.00) into your account and proceeded to drain your account. That's synonymous to stealing my checkbook making deposits into my account and then trying to write checks on it. That goes back to the old question "If someone stole a gun from me and shot someone, should I be held accountable?" The answer is probably at least partially for not taking care of business and locking it up properly.

4. In the last telephone conversation that I had with Chuck Anderson he told me that you had drained the accounts because you were up to your neck in the debt of building a new house. That's the kind of luxuries some of us can only dream about. If that is the case and you are stealing other peoples money to do that, then you will have to be held accountable.

5. It's not difficult to see that this has become a finger pointing fiasco in an attempt to declare no one at fault. Considering the original complaint, the only one that has lost anything is me. To begin with the issue of this complaint was that I paid $500.00 for services that both you and Chuck agree I did not recieve. It has turned into a forum to solve the problems of the universe. I had nothing whatsoever to do with embezzeling funds from Tri-State MSBL, Anaconda, Telos or anyone else, nor was that a part of my complaint.

It is not my responsibility to establish innocence or guilt. I'll leave that to law enforcement if it comes to that. If I had to make a guess on the basis of the information that I have, I would say that both you and Mr. Chuck Anderson owe me $250.00 each along with whever statutory penalties might accompany that.

By the way what is the name of the law firm that is persuing Chuck Anderson for embezzlement?

David:

To clarify the $500 charge. Chuck Anderson charged you $500 using Tri-States Merchant account without permission. He proceeded to take the money from the account. Both the charges and the removal of the money was done without our knowledge. It took us several months to uncover his scheme. We did not know who you were or that Chuck had even charged you money.

Concerning REDA. Reda did not sell to or become Blackwater Sports. This was another of Chuck's lies. Reda declared bankruptcy in November 2003 and was liquidated by the courts. Chuck received nothing from Reda. He stole the website name, that is it.

Tri-State was not and is not part of anything that Chuck Anderson did. We supplied product to his customers only. We were not a partner, we did not share in any of his schemes. As you stated, your contract is with Blackwater Sports, A Colorado Corporation which is soley owned by Chuck Anderson, not with Tri-State.

Chuck stole your money, not us. He used us as a vehicle to accomplish this. We do not have your money.

If we are able to recover the money Chuck stole from all of us, we will gladly return your money. At this point though it does not look good. He has shut down his operation and moved. We have been unable to locate him. If you or anyone else has any information as to the whereabouts of Chuck Anderson, please let us know.

Steve I appreciate your response to my complaint. I put down the facts and dates as I saw them or had documentation to substantiate. As I said in my original report I always looked at Chuck because he was the one I talked to when I set up the account. A contract was signed with Blackwater Sports which I understood to be his portion of your partnership. It was only in checking my credit card bill that I found the payment had been made to Tri-State MSBL. I was told by Chuck that Tri-State MSBL and other sites mentioned in my original report were owned by you. If so the money went to your account. I have no idea where any commissions went. As meager as they were no one besides myself should have been entitled to them. I paid for the right to recieve them!

I noticed that you agree with Chuck that I did not receive what I had paid for. Since you both agree on that point why am I the only one taking the loss while the two of you are pointing at each other? Beat up on each other if you want, just give me back my money and leave me out of it.

If its true that Chuck is the culprit and there is litigation, I want to be included for my $500.00.

It just surprises me that as reputable of a company as Reda Sports appeared to be that they would turn their business over to a yahoo like that.

Once again I appreciate your response and the kindness of www.badbusinessbureau.com for allowing us to dispute this on their open forum.
This is a way to resolve issues that I hope will always be here.

Steve I appreciate your response to my complaint. I put down the facts and dates as I saw them or had documentation to substantiate. As I said in my original report I always looked at Chuck because he was the one I talked to when I set up the account. A contract was signed with Blackwater Sports which I understood to be his portion of your partnership. It was only in checking my credit card bill that I found the payment had been made to Tri-State MSBL. I was told by Chuck that Tri-State MSBL and other sites mentioned in my original report were owned by you. If so the money went to your account. I have no idea where any commissions went. As meager as they were no one besides myself should have been entitled to them. I paid for the right to recieve them!

I noticed that you agree with Chuck that I did not receive what I had paid for. Since you both agree on that point why am I the only one taking the loss while the two of you are pointing at each other? Beat up on each other if you want, just give me back my money and leave me out of it.

If its true that Chuck is the culprit and there is litigation, I want to be included for my $500.00.

It just surprises me that as reputable of a company as Reda Sports appeared to be that they would turn their business over to a yahoo like that.

Once again I appreciate your response and the kindness of www.badbusinessbureau.com for allowing us to dispute this on their open forum.
This is a way to resolve issues that I hope will always be here.

Steve I appreciate your response to my complaint. I put down the facts and dates as I saw them or had documentation to substantiate. As I said in my original report I always looked at Chuck because he was the one I talked to when I set up the account. A contract was signed with Blackwater Sports which I understood to be his portion of your partnership. It was only in checking my credit card bill that I found the payment had been made to Tri-State MSBL. I was told by Chuck that Tri-State MSBL and other sites mentioned in my original report were owned by you. If so the money went to your account. I have no idea where any commissions went. As meager as they were no one besides myself should have been entitled to them. I paid for the right to recieve them!

I noticed that you agree with Chuck that I did not receive what I had paid for. Since you both agree on that point why am I the only one taking the loss while the two of you are pointing at each other? Beat up on each other if you want, just give me back my money and leave me out of it.

If its true that Chuck is the culprit and there is litigation, I want to be included for my $500.00.

It just surprises me that as reputable of a company as Reda Sports appeared to be that they would turn their business over to a yahoo like that.

Once again I appreciate your response and the kindness of www.badbusinessbureau.com for allowing us to dispute this on their open forum.
This is a way to resolve issues that I hope will always be here.

David has a right to be upset but he has his facts wrong. Charles Anderson is an A1 con man. He has ripped off many people, including the companies mentioned here. Myself, Stephen McCarthy, Tri-Sate MSBL and Anaconda were all ripped off by Charles Anderson. Tri-State to the tune of over $50,000. Anaconda losses exceed $10,000. Charles Anderson's game was to tell people his partners were Tri-State MSBL and Anaconda but that is not true. We were suppliers only. The reason everything was out of stock is because we cut him off and stopped supplying product for him.

Charles Anderson knows only one thing, that is to LIE! He lies about everything. He is a con man. It all fell in on him in late 2004 when Tri-State, Anaconda and Telos online started to talk to each other and compare notes. He also is into Telos for over $10,000. He is now in hiding eventhough his websites are still up. He used Tri-state's merchant account to steal money from people promising them a website and then when the website never happened he told people to charge back Tri-State. We are now proceeding with litigation against him for embezelment.

Charles Anderson is not a partner of Stephen McCarthy, Anaconda Sports, Tri-State MSBL, Inc or Telos Online. He has no interest in or ownership in these companies. Charles Anderson never had any interest or control over any websites owned by Tri-State MSBL, Inc. including MVP Sports, MSBL Sports or SOS Sports.

He stole our webpages and has our phone number on his site for customer support. We have contacted the Colorado Better Business Bureau to get assistance on removal of our information from his website. We did not get any help.


The only conection we had with Charles Anderson was to be ripped off the same as David was!

According to the information found for Blackwater Sports on the Colorado BBB web-site as of this date (2-23-05), 8 complaints have been processed since its file was opened in November of 2003. Seven of those complaints were processed in the last 12 months.
Two complaints concerning sales issues were not responded to. Of 3 complaints concerning delivery 1 was resolved and 2 were not responded to. 3 complaints for contract issues were not responded to.