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  • Report:  #104351

Complaint Review: Centex Home Equity Mortgage - Lewisville Texas

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- Gulfport, Mississippi,
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Centex Home Equity Mortgage
350 Highland Drive Lewisville, 75067 Texas, U.S.A.
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888-480-2432
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Centex Home Equity Mortgage is a modern-day version of an old time loan company that operates "just inside the law," but in reality, is an uncaring vulture that says one thing to get one's business and then does another. Moreover, it is ALL LEGAL. While "technically" they may operate legally, they are, at best, unethical in both their business practices and in contracting those who prepare the deceitful loan documents and close their loans.

Last year (summer 2003) we refinanced our home with this unscrupulous lender. The loan originator told us that the 2/28 program (2 years at a fixed rate, then 28 years at an adjustable rate) could be refinanced ANYTIME in those first two years - after the sixth payment. We were also assured and reassured that there was NOT a prepayment penalty associated with this particular loan. Nothing could have been further from the truth. The loan originator lied and added the wretched credit life insurance AFTER I told him that I did NOT want it, ignored my request to set up an insurance escrow account, and would not give me a copy of the appraisal I paid for. To add fuel to the fire, the closer was 2 hours late for closing. By the time she got there (8:00 p.m.), she had to rectify the issues I raised about credit life, the escrow account, appraisal, etc.

When I asked about confirming, there was no prepayment penalty, she looked over the mountain of paperwork and replied, "there is no prepayment penalty," and we began what turned out to be one hour of signing marathon. We have closed many mortgage loans, but never signed our names for one solid hour - she even remarked about the enormity of the stack of papers. But there is a method to Centex Home Equity's madness - the reason for such a stack of papers is it certainly discourages one from the tedious reading of copious pages and encourages questions in the essence of time - particularly when the closer has an hour and a half drive back to the law firm in another town.

It took me until December to get an escrow account set up, and I found out last week that they took my money, but never set up the escrow account, nor did they attempt to contact me - yet I paid them the $1000 required to get the account established. They were very efficient in adding the prorated amount to my January 2004 payment though. I found this out recently when I received a notice from my insurance company that the account would soon to be in default.

Much to my dismay, when I attempted to refinance our loan after the seventh payment, I was told that I had to have 1 year of payments "logged in" before that could be done. Not what I was told originally and I was angry, but it was close to the one-year mark. After the 12th payment was "logged in," I called to start the refinance process. I got all the paperwork they required and faxed it to the office. I asked what interest rate I would get to which I got the reply of, "7.9% fixed rate over 30 years." When I questioned this, and told him I could get a much better rate locally, the new loan originator replied that was the best they could do. My payment was automatically drafted each month and 7.9% was the BEST they could do??????? I told him to stop the processing immediately and I got a much better rate locally - by 2%. The fly in the ointment? When my new mortgage company got the Centex Home Equity payoff, they added a 5% prepayment penalty - something the I was assured by their originator and the closing attorney that the Note did NOT contain.

I called Centex and the only reply I got was "You signed the papers," which is true; however, it was an attorney who told me "No prepayment penalty." The Note says "may," charge, not will charge, so it is at the discretion of the lender. In addition, I was told that this prepayment penalty is for 5 years - something I would NEVER have signed last summer for any reason! I would have walked away from the closing and never looked back. Unfortunately, I was lied to by their attorney who had a long drive home and a 2-inch stack of papers waiting be signed.

Centex has a racket going - a 2 year fixed rate with a 5 year prepayment penalty - if one refinances with them, they reward good customers with a 2% higher interest rate than market on a fixed rate loan OR one can let the loan convert to an ARM. But watch out for their fixed rate loan - it carries hidden deep in its paperwork 29 years and 11 months interest and a balloon note on the 12th payment for the entire original principal leaving one either having to refinance again OR Centex repossessing the home for non-payment. Shoddy loan practices at the very best. Just how ETHICAL is that?

Beware - if it sounds too good to be true, it is - especially if Centex is involved.

Leslie

Sherman, Texas
U.S.A.


4 Updates & Rebuttals

Jeff

Surprise,
Arizona,
U.S.A.
Hmmm.....

#2UPDATE Employee

Tue, April 05, 2005

Your description of the circumstances is certainly ghastly, and I would be very upset too, but I do have a few questions. Oh, by the way, I am a loan officer with Centex, so I have a bit of information about the way we operate: 1) The escrow issue. There is no fee for an escrow, and the money paid does not go to Centex. In fact, like most lenders we PREFER to set up an escrow. It is a much lower risk, as a tax lien would bump our interest into a second lien position. Also, having guaranteed insurance coverage is a plus to a lendor. As such, I am very curious about this "1000.00" that you paid, as far as who exactly you paid that too. It sounds very fishy. 2) The closer issue is unfortunate, as Centex is a direct sales company in many areas, and uses title companies to close deals. While this is cost effective, they are not always aware of the fine print issues, like a loan officer would be. So, yes you save money, but there are drawbacks. Most loan officers will give you a cell number, or direct line to call during your closing, so you can be sure to get info if there are any questions during your closing. 3) The insurance can be canceled at any time, FYI. 4) There is a prepayment penalty with Centex. If you refinance within the first 3 years of the loan, you will have the pay the interest equal to 6 months of payments. This is far less than the "5%" you are reporting. What goes unrealized is that Centex is a specialty lendor for individuals with poor credit. Most loans we write are for fico scores in the low to mid 500 range. Because this market segment is high risk, we charge more for our services.


Adrienne

North Little Rock,
Arkansas,
U.S.A.
the more complaints they get on Centex in every state, the more chances the company will be investigated

#3Consumer Comment

Sat, September 25, 2004

Jean. To the club. Listen to Priscilla. She had GREAT advice to offer. Also - FILE COMPLAINTS - with everyone you can. It will strenthen yours and everyone else's cases against Centex. I started with my Attorney General's Office, - they probably won't be a LOT of help to you individually - but the more complaints they get on Centex in every state, the more chances the company will be investigated. Go to your search browser and put in States' Attorneys General - that will give you a link to your own AG. -Then go to "Consumer Affairs Division." - Filing complaints is tedious, yes. But again, it helps shore up your case. Then go to HUD - and file an FOIA complaint against Centex. HUD will contact you and tell you that Centex requires a signed, notarized letter from you to fulfill the request, but don't let that stop you. -A simple letter stating "I hereby request that all documents and other information regarding my account loan #_________ be released. -Then sign it and take it to the bank or your insurance agent's office-they often have notaries there too. They're not that hard to find. Centex is just trying to make everything difficult to discourage people from going forward. Then visit the Federal Trade Commission - and file a complaint there. Another bit of advice I learned from another victim that's good: go to the National Consumer Law Center website, click on "publications" and purchase the Truth in Lending Laws publication. It's expensive ($130) but well worth the investment. Too often it may SEEM to some of us that what Centex is doing is illegal - but it's not. But also, much of what they so that we may not be aware of IS illegal! - So while it's undoubtedly not the most exciting reading, getting the TILA - reading thru it - and marking everything you think Centex did that's a part of your case will help you go after them. -NOt to mention that the more "groundwork" you do yourself, if you eventually have to get a lawyer, - the "preparation" you do will give you a better handle on things and should help reduce costs. But most importantly - if we KNOW what violations of TILA that Centex is guilty of, we can point those out to the FTC, HUD, the AG's offices, the Department of Justice and every other agency that we can find to file a complaint. Because THEN our complaints aren't just whining - THEY'RE STATEMENTS OF LEGAL VIOLATIONS OF LAW THAT CENTEX IS COMMITTING! -That's a whole lot harder for the various government agencies, etc. to ignore. I've been slowly but surely doing each of these things. Centex has filed a bogus "Loan Defaut" on our property. Their actions also violated Section 6 of the RESPA statutes - they caused us monetary damages. They called and offered a supposed solution to "make the default go away" -and we're cooperating with what they proposed. -We don't want to be seen as not acting in good faith. However, I don't trust them at all. And after that, they sent another default notice. So I'm going forward with all my complaints. Thanks to a "mentor" I found on this site, I've fled a Qualified Written Request with Centex- which you'll find on the RESPA website. - If you sent the request, they have 20 days to respond. - You can request all the documents, etc. regarding your loan. -Be SURE to send it via some way that requires they sign for it. If they don't respond in 20 days, they can be fined. Based on what my 'mentor' told me, I'm not expecting a huge response, but I numbered my accusations/complaints and made sure they were detailed very specifically. If Centex sends some sort of "generic response" to them, I'll forward that on to RESPA. I'm also going to be contacting my state senators and representatives shortly. - One of the senators was one of the States' Attorneys General who signed a letter to Congress several years ago, requesting that measures be taken to stop predatory lenders such as Centex. And our senators and reps have a good track-record of being very responsive to these types of issues. Perhaps the fact that Centex just won several huge contact bids from the federal government might help raise their interest as well. After the way Halliburton has behaved with it's federal contracts, perhaps the government will be looking more closely at the business practices of companies like Centex. I'm certainly going to try to get their attention with the argument. In the meanttime, file those complaints! I'd also consider talking to a lawyer about their bad faith in accepting your monies and failing to perform on the contract. Because I'll bet you'll find out that as soon as Centex cashed those checks for the purpose of insuring your house, that's a contract. Over and above that, I'd at least make sure to send Centex a letter stating that since they've not paid the insurance carrier as they agreed, you will be holding Centex legally liable for the property, should anything happen to it. -And enclose copies of the checks and drafts that have been paid to them for that purpose. -AGain, I'd also do it as a Qualified Written Request (go to RESPA and look for the template on how to write it). Be sure to be very clear on what you're complaining about (that you arranged for an escrow account with Centex on (date-approximate if y eou don't have the exact) - and based on that agreement, you sent them check # - for $_____, which was cashed by Centex on (date). And that in addition, Centex had been debiting your account each month since for the same purpose and had failed to perform. Again, enclose copies of the checks (both sides) and cc's of your bank statements (JUST the pertinent parts - don't give them add'l info above and below). -And again - be SURE you send it to their customer service in a way that REQUIRES SIGNATURE! Again - don't always think that Centex is actually working "just inside the law." -That's where reading the Truth in Lending is so important. They are notorious for hiring representatives who are "distracted" or busy and do the "just hurry up and sign" routine. Then they think they're out of it. YOu should have the name of the person who closed your loan - whether it's a title company representative or a lawyer - on the paperwork. Whoever it is - FIND THE COMPLIANCE BOARD THAT OVERSEES THEM! - And FILE A COMPLAINT against that person too! - Especially the attorney. Call your state Bar Association and ask them for directions on how to file a complaint against a lawyer. In Leslie's case - from Sherman, TX - she definitely needs to file a complaint. -The attorney was acting unprofessionally. Her actions intimidated Leslie into not feeling she could read through the (endless) documents and instead casued her to feel duress to sign and get out of there. That attorney should get a sanction if not a lawsuit for malpractice from Leslie. So - IF WE ALL READ THE TILA AND MAKE SURE OUR COMPLAINTS ARE AUTHENTICATED - POINT OUT THE VIOLATIONS OR 'QUESTIONABLE BEHAVIOR' CHAPTER AND VERSE - maybe we'll make some real dents in Centex's armor! Hopefully, we'll also begin to find each other too - so we can add more people to the lieff-cabraser class action lawsuit!


Jean

Gulfport,
Mississippi,
U.S.A.
Centex Only TAKES Money and Does NOT Send It Where It Is Suppose To Go

#4Author of original report

Fri, September 24, 2004

On 12.7.03 I sent Centex Home Equity a check for the amount they said I needed to pay to set up an escrow account that I requested to be set up in July 03 before I closed my loan with this inefficient mortgage company. My request was ignored by both the loan originator and the closing attorney. It took me the remainder of the year to get this rectified - or so I thought. On December 30th I called Home Equity only to find out that they "had not received my check for $748.50 to establish an escrow account." Funny, I had a copy of the check that cleared the bank on 12/18/03 and then, all of a sudden, they located my money. Home Equity started to charge me $97.16 each month beginning in Jan 04 for my escrow account and I thought this had solved my problem. In August 04 I received a "second notice" from my insurance carrier notifying me that my premium had not been paid. I had not received a first bill and I did not know the premium had not been paid until this second notice arrived. I immediately wrote Home Equity a letter requesting a full accounting of my escrow account in a timely manner. Well, true to form, the only accounting I received as of today is from my insurance carrier who notified me the first of this week that my insurance would be cancelled effective Sept 25, 2004. Home Equity has continued to ignore my request for an accounting of my escrow account, and it has taken me all week to get them to respond and pay my insurance before it is cancelled tomorrow. Yesterday I was told "the insurance department takes care of only hazard insurance" - does personal contents insurance not apply to hazard insurance??? They certainly cashed my check for $748.50 to do this job in December 03 and have charged me $97.16 per month for the last 9 months. They will definitely take money, but not disperse it OR even contact a mortagee with questions if or when they are unsure of why they are receiving bills. If one operates a business using others money without giving a service, one might accuse that individual of stealing. I was informed yesterday that since my policy is a personal contents policy, I would have to contact the escrow department to get my insurance paid. I have been passed from one person to another and one department to another; some people were nice, but NO ONE could handle this problem but a supervisor who leaves before I get home from work. My suggestion for those about to apply for a loan or close a loan with Home Equity - DON'T!! FIND a reputable company even if they are higher on interest rates - it will save you money AND immeasurable stress in the long run since they CAN and DO get away with unscrupulous practices such as charging outrageous pre-payment penalities or taking money without performing the service they took responsibility for when they cash my check 9 months ago!!


Priscilla

Peabody,
Massachusetts,
U.S.A.
Centex Lies and Steals Your Homes

#5Consumer Comment

Sun, August 22, 2004

Hi Leslie, Could not have put this better myself. Good job! You are so right on. I too am a victim of Centex and they do a bait and switch to get you in the deal and then give you lots of paperwork so that you don't have time to read it and then tell you there is no prepayment penalty. All lies to lock you into a loan you cannot afford. That's how they steal your home. My paperwork also stated there "may be" a penalty for early payoff, but I was told by the closing attorney there was no prepayment penalty. Excessive prepayment penalties are against the law. HUD specifically states that these types of prepayment penalties are predatory. Centex is a predatory lender. They have said the same thing to you as they have to all of us. "You signed the papers." Yes, we all signed the papers, but that's because the attorneys doing the closings are telling us a different story. I wonder if these attorneys can be sued, but they are tied to Centex, so Centex is the one telling them to get us all to sign. I too was told I could refinance my home after 6 months, but found out I could not because of the 5 year prepayment penalty they socked me with and they inflated the value of my home so that I can't get another loan because of the loan to value ratio. My home today is not worth what Centex appraised it at 2 years ago. Centex is starting to break the laws. They do operate just under the legal line, but they are careless and will be brought down. What you should do is band together with all of us at the other forums. Also, visit the HUD website as there is a sectionon RESPA (Real Estate Settlement Procedures) and a sample qualified written request to obtain a copy of your files from Centex. Also, contact your Attorney General in your state and file a consumer complaint. Also, contact ACORN in your area as they are proactive on these issues and can be very instrumental. File as many complaints against Centex as you can, because eventually, the proper authorities will be doing something about them. There is also a consumer rescue fund at National Coalition Reinvestment Community (NCRC) in Washington, DC and they have funds available to get you away from them. I have been fighting with this company for 2 years now and am in negotiations to try and settle with them to get away from them. They are brutal and they will do anything they can to scare you from doing that, but don't back down. Be strong and fight. We all are. Centex is trying to shut me up, but I will not go away. I will be here to get all of us organized so that we can fight these predators. They will come down one day. We just have to get the word out. Please seek out the other forums and look for me there as we have lots more information to give to you. Good luck and keep me posted.

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