Complaint Review: Cydcor DS-Max - Mississauga Ontario

Even though you are all very negative people and really like to stereotype, I want to keep you informed of my progress at Granton. My boyfriend and I now have our own office and run it very honestly. We do what our promoting owner taught us to do and that's to be honest and upfront with everyone. Every person we hire, we tell her our leaders to say "This is a canvassing job and its not the most attractive at first, but if you're like us, you may have the potential to be an owner". If our leaders even remotely say anything to misrepresent us, we give them a verbal warning, with a maximum of three strikes, and then they're toast. How do we know this? We ask the day's of O what their manager said to them and if its false, we try to clear it up. Either my boyfriend or I will say to that person that was misled, "We're sorry if there was some confusion, but this is a canvassing job with potential for growth if you work hard. Some people can do this, some people can't. But what you get with us is an opportunity to make money, have fun and enhance your communication skills". See, now I know that if I hadn't withdrawn from university, I would never get an office and I must thank the higher ups for giving me a chance to shine and not waste another $5000 for university. BJ, I hope you have tried out DS-Max and I hope you are still enjoying your experience. I hope your girlfriend is doing good in the system and maybe when she gets to open up her office, if its in the same location or close-by, we can share. JUICE to you BJ and your girlfriend.

Bj, I am an ex-owner of the famous direct marketing system of cydcor. You are being brainwashed. The scenario of your girlfriend sounds exactly like me 2 1/2 years ago. I was at York University in T.O. and I took this job at a local branch in North York. I quit university. 4 1/2 months later I became an assistant manager. About six months later I became incorporated and moved out of Toronto. They had a promised me a client to work with in Vancouver, which they to this day did not deliever. Was I making money? YES. Was I happy? Sure, money makes everyone happy. But what it also makes is evilness. Have you ever heard the saying money is the root of all evil. well it is. See, the company cydcor and all it's branch offices have a great system. But, is it worth working 11-13 hours a day, six days a week. Especially when the system depends on people projecting income for themselves on slashed commisions, so the manager makes money, and his/hers promoting manager makes money. No. I know world vision and richard de Sousa, Rocco, Noel and Nick. These are some of the owners where your girlfriend works at. Now these are great people, yet they are too busy working and trying to get more guys, so they can make more money, and to try to build someones team to promote them to make more what's called 'residual income' to realize there are other ways of making money in the world and lots of it too. I would do interviews every day and bring in the guys for their day of observation which had a head on their shoulders, but also the ones that were not exposed to the world. The recent graduates, the summer students, the ones that thought it was such a good oppotunity. The morning meetings that I would hear from other managers were the same s**t. You can become a manager if your do A,B and C and so on. And the rewards, everything you can dream of. Mutipal houses, luxary vehicles and unlimited traveling. How many actually become managers. The ones that sacrafice everything. I stopped going out, I lost my Ex-boyfriend, almost lost my current boyfriend of almost two years. my parents hated it and I was blind to all of it. I now live in B.C because this is where my office was. I just left 3 weeks ago and you know it's been one of the best three weeks. Why did I leave? many reasons. I was sick of the lies, my partner just a greedy 33 year old, living alone wanting to be a millonaire and retire his parents. That's great, you know I want that too. I think everyone does. But I also want a family, I don't want to forget my family. I want to finish my degree and take the experience and knowledge to running my own company, where I will be my own boss. They say you will be your own boss, but you never will. You have to listen to the hierarchy system of know it alls because the did it. Yet, they'll always be there. Everyone has to make a living somehow and many of the people I know decided to make it through this. When I left Toronto and moved out to BC I had no client. They didn't give a s**t. Then they gave us a client that didn't pay my guys for two months, so we did advertising for two months. Which I got in s**t for. See I didn't care about the higher managers, cause they can kiss it, but my guys that's who I care about from my morning insprational motivational bullshit meetings I had convinced almost 10 guys to move out with me. What happened to them. They couldn't make money, they starved, they all went back to Toronto broke and in debt. Why, because cydcor's mentality is Darwin's Survival of the Fittest. If you can't make money, your screwed, yet us managers promise our guys we've got their backs. I stopped one day in April 2003 to look at my family members during Easter, and I looked at all the question they asked me. The only question I could remember was, "Are U happy?" I answered yes, but I wasn't. I was sick of lying, being deciteful and two-faced to people who thought of how they were going to have a office in six months. Most of the guys I had were already there for six months when I left and they knew the reason why. They hate the management there right now as well, they just want to learn about direct marketing and then they are quitting to start up their own thing. I am now 22, I have a wonderful boyfriend that provides me everything I need, happiness. I am starting again in September 2003 university. I am going to Mexico, not with the company for four days and two of them have to be listening to how to make your team grow. The intergrity and professionalism of the business and all the blah, blah, blah. I'am going for a month on my time on my freedom. I am excited because I am going to be 19, 20 and 21 all over again. i missed those years because I was working to be a career woman, a woman that makes it to the top. I still will be, just not by brain-washing. My advice to you; think before you act, know what your stepping into and know what the consequences are. I hope this advice helps!

Bj, I am an ex-owner of the famous direct marketing system of cydcor. You are being brainwashed. The scenario of your girlfriend sounds exactly like me 2 1/2 years ago. I was at York University in T.O. and I took this job at a local branch in North York. I quit university. 4 1/2 months later I became an assistant manager. About six months later I became incorporated and moved out of Toronto. They had a promised me a client to work with in Vancouver, which they to this day did not deliever. Was I making money? YES. Was I happy? Sure, money makes everyone happy. But what it also makes is evilness. Have you ever heard the saying money is the root of all evil. well it is. See, the company cydcor and all it's branch offices have a great system. But, is it worth working 11-13 hours a day, six days a week. Especially when the system depends on people projecting income for themselves on slashed commisions, so the manager makes money, and his/hers promoting manager makes money. No. I know world vision and richard de Sousa, Rocco, Noel and Nick. These are some of the owners where your girlfriend works at. Now these are great people, yet they are too busy working and trying to get more guys, so they can make more money, and to try to build someones team to promote them to make more what's called 'residual income' to realize there are other ways of making money in the world and lots of it too. I would do interviews every day and bring in the guys for their day of observation which had a head on their shoulders, but also the ones that were not exposed to the world. The recent graduates, the summer students, the ones that thought it was such a good oppotunity. The morning meetings that I would hear from other managers were the same s**t. You can become a manager if your do A,B and C and so on. And the rewards, everything you can dream of. Mutipal houses, luxary vehicles and unlimited traveling. How many actually become managers. The ones that sacrafice everything. I stopped going out, I lost my Ex-boyfriend, almost lost my current boyfriend of almost two years. my parents hated it and I was blind to all of it. I now live in B.C because this is where my office was. I just left 3 weeks ago and you know it's been one of the best three weeks. Why did I leave? many reasons. I was sick of the lies, my partner just a greedy 33 year old, living alone wanting to be a millonaire and retire his parents. That's great, you know I want that too. I think everyone does. But I also want a family, I don't want to forget my family. I want to finish my degree and take the experience and knowledge to running my own company, where I will be my own boss. They say you will be your own boss, but you never will. You have to listen to the hierarchy system of know it alls because the did it. Yet, they'll always be there. Everyone has to make a living somehow and many of the people I know decided to make it through this. When I left Toronto and moved out to BC I had no client. They didn't give a s**t. Then they gave us a client that didn't pay my guys for two months, so we did advertising for two months. Which I got in s**t for. See I didn't care about the higher managers, cause they can kiss it, but my guys that's who I care about from my morning insprational motivational bullshit meetings I had convinced almost 10 guys to move out with me. What happened to them. They couldn't make money, they starved, they all went back to Toronto broke and in debt. Why, because cydcor's mentality is Darwin's Survival of the Fittest. If you can't make money, your screwed, yet us managers promise our guys we've got their backs. I stopped one day in April 2003 to look at my family members during Easter, and I looked at all the question they asked me. The only question I could remember was, "Are U happy?" I answered yes, but I wasn't. I was sick of lying, being deciteful and two-faced to people who thought of how they were going to have a office in six months. Most of the guys I had were already there for six months when I left and they knew the reason why. They hate the management there right now as well, they just want to learn about direct marketing and then they are quitting to start up their own thing. I am now 22, I have a wonderful boyfriend that provides me everything I need, happiness. I am starting again in September 2003 university. I am going to Mexico, not with the company for four days and two of them have to be listening to how to make your team grow. The intergrity and professionalism of the business and all the blah, blah, blah. I'am going for a month on my time on my freedom. I am excited because I am going to be 19, 20 and 21 all over again. i missed those years because I was working to be a career woman, a woman that makes it to the top. I still will be, just not by brain-washing. My advice to you; think before you act, know what your stepping into and know what the consequences are. I hope this advice helps!

Bj, I am an ex-owner of the famous direct marketing system of cydcor. You are being brainwashed. The scenario of your girlfriend sounds exactly like me 2 1/2 years ago. I was at York University in T.O. and I took this job at a local branch in North York. I quit university. 4 1/2 months later I became an assistant manager. About six months later I became incorporated and moved out of Toronto. They had a promised me a client to work with in Vancouver, which they to this day did not deliever. Was I making money? YES. Was I happy? Sure, money makes everyone happy. But what it also makes is evilness. Have you ever heard the saying money is the root of all evil. well it is. See, the company cydcor and all it's branch offices have a great system. But, is it worth working 11-13 hours a day, six days a week. Especially when the system depends on people projecting income for themselves on slashed commisions, so the manager makes money, and his/hers promoting manager makes money. No. I know world vision and richard de Sousa, Rocco, Noel and Nick. These are some of the owners where your girlfriend works at. Now these are great people, yet they are too busy working and trying to get more guys, so they can make more money, and to try to build someones team to promote them to make more what's called 'residual income' to realize there are other ways of making money in the world and lots of it too. I would do interviews every day and bring in the guys for their day of observation which had a head on their shoulders, but also the ones that were not exposed to the world. The recent graduates, the summer students, the ones that thought it was such a good oppotunity. The morning meetings that I would hear from other managers were the same s**t. You can become a manager if your do A,B and C and so on. And the rewards, everything you can dream of. Mutipal houses, luxary vehicles and unlimited traveling. How many actually become managers. The ones that sacrafice everything. I stopped going out, I lost my Ex-boyfriend, almost lost my current boyfriend of almost two years. my parents hated it and I was blind to all of it. I now live in B.C because this is where my office was. I just left 3 weeks ago and you know it's been one of the best three weeks. Why did I leave? many reasons. I was sick of the lies, my partner just a greedy 33 year old, living alone wanting to be a millonaire and retire his parents. That's great, you know I want that too. I think everyone does. But I also want a family, I don't want to forget my family. I want to finish my degree and take the experience and knowledge to running my own company, where I will be my own boss. They say you will be your own boss, but you never will. You have to listen to the hierarchy system of know it alls because the did it. Yet, they'll always be there. Everyone has to make a living somehow and many of the people I know decided to make it through this. When I left Toronto and moved out to BC I had no client. They didn't give a s**t. Then they gave us a client that didn't pay my guys for two months, so we did advertising for two months. Which I got in s**t for. See I didn't care about the higher managers, cause they can kiss it, but my guys that's who I care about from my morning insprational motivational bullshit meetings I had convinced almost 10 guys to move out with me. What happened to them. They couldn't make money, they starved, they all went back to Toronto broke and in debt. Why, because cydcor's mentality is Darwin's Survival of the Fittest. If you can't make money, your screwed, yet us managers promise our guys we've got their backs. I stopped one day in April 2003 to look at my family members during Easter, and I looked at all the question they asked me. The only question I could remember was, "Are U happy?" I answered yes, but I wasn't. I was sick of lying, being deciteful and two-faced to people who thought of how they were going to have a office in six months. Most of the guys I had were already there for six months when I left and they knew the reason why. They hate the management there right now as well, they just want to learn about direct marketing and then they are quitting to start up their own thing. I am now 22, I have a wonderful boyfriend that provides me everything I need, happiness. I am starting again in September 2003 university. I am going to Mexico, not with the company for four days and two of them have to be listening to how to make your team grow. The intergrity and professionalism of the business and all the blah, blah, blah. I'am going for a month on my time on my freedom. I am excited because I am going to be 19, 20 and 21 all over again. i missed those years because I was working to be a career woman, a woman that makes it to the top. I still will be, just not by brain-washing. My advice to you; think before you act, know what your stepping into and know what the consequences are. I hope this advice helps!

Bj, I am an ex-owner of the famous direct marketing system of cydcor. You are being brainwashed. The scenario of your girlfriend sounds exactly like me 2 1/2 years ago. I was at York University in T.O. and I took this job at a local branch in North York. I quit university. 4 1/2 months later I became an assistant manager. About six months later I became incorporated and moved out of Toronto. They had a promised me a client to work with in Vancouver, which they to this day did not deliever. Was I making money? YES. Was I happy? Sure, money makes everyone happy. But what it also makes is evilness. Have you ever heard the saying money is the root of all evil. well it is. See, the company cydcor and all it's branch offices have a great system. But, is it worth working 11-13 hours a day, six days a week. Especially when the system depends on people projecting income for themselves on slashed commisions, so the manager makes money, and his/hers promoting manager makes money. No. I know world vision and richard de Sousa, Rocco, Noel and Nick. These are some of the owners where your girlfriend works at. Now these are great people, yet they are too busy working and trying to get more guys, so they can make more money, and to try to build someones team to promote them to make more what's called 'residual income' to realize there are other ways of making money in the world and lots of it too. I would do interviews every day and bring in the guys for their day of observation which had a head on their shoulders, but also the ones that were not exposed to the world. The recent graduates, the summer students, the ones that thought it was such a good oppotunity. The morning meetings that I would hear from other managers were the same s**t. You can become a manager if your do A,B and C and so on. And the rewards, everything you can dream of. Mutipal houses, luxary vehicles and unlimited traveling. How many actually become managers. The ones that sacrafice everything. I stopped going out, I lost my Ex-boyfriend, almost lost my current boyfriend of almost two years. my parents hated it and I was blind to all of it. I now live in B.C because this is where my office was. I just left 3 weeks ago and you know it's been one of the best three weeks. Why did I leave? many reasons. I was sick of the lies, my partner just a greedy 33 year old, living alone wanting to be a millonaire and retire his parents. That's great, you know I want that too. I think everyone does. But I also want a family, I don't want to forget my family. I want to finish my degree and take the experience and knowledge to running my own company, where I will be my own boss. They say you will be your own boss, but you never will. You have to listen to the hierarchy system of know it alls because the did it. Yet, they'll always be there. Everyone has to make a living somehow and many of the people I know decided to make it through this. When I left Toronto and moved out to BC I had no client. They didn't give a s**t. Then they gave us a client that didn't pay my guys for two months, so we did advertising for two months. Which I got in s**t for. See I didn't care about the higher managers, cause they can kiss it, but my guys that's who I care about from my morning insprational motivational bullshit meetings I had convinced almost 10 guys to move out with me. What happened to them. They couldn't make money, they starved, they all went back to Toronto broke and in debt. Why, because cydcor's mentality is Darwin's Survival of the Fittest. If you can't make money, your screwed, yet us managers promise our guys we've got their backs. I stopped one day in April 2003 to look at my family members during Easter, and I looked at all the question they asked me. The only question I could remember was, "Are U happy?" I answered yes, but I wasn't. I was sick of lying, being deciteful and two-faced to people who thought of how they were going to have a office in six months. Most of the guys I had were already there for six months when I left and they knew the reason why. They hate the management there right now as well, they just want to learn about direct marketing and then they are quitting to start up their own thing. I am now 22, I have a wonderful boyfriend that provides me everything I need, happiness. I am starting again in September 2003 university. I am going to Mexico, not with the company for four days and two of them have to be listening to how to make your team grow. The intergrity and professionalism of the business and all the blah, blah, blah. I'am going for a month on my time on my freedom. I am excited because I am going to be 19, 20 and 21 all over again. i missed those years because I was working to be a career woman, a woman that makes it to the top. I still will be, just not by brain-washing. My advice to you; think before you act, know what your stepping into and know what the consequences are. I hope this advice helps!

Seriously, listen to yourself: In three paragraphs you used a variation of the word "seem" three times. You stated that the office "seems to be pretty decently run", that the people "seem to be making good money", and that "it seems like a very good atmosphere". The DS-Max folk are very good at presenting things that "seem" all good and well. Part of the system is the fact that you only see things for what they "seem" to be. Did you ask the reps what they make on average? What their real "net" income is, after taxes and expenses? Did you ask them how many people they are forced to live with, and for how long? As far as your second paragraph; what "opportunity" forces you to work with your g/f to be able to spend more time with her? Shouldn't your time together be non-work related? If you can't get along with her outside of that, then you really need to consider the basis of your relationship. On top of that, why should you, or anyone else have to join this company to further her career? Doesn't that just scream "PYRAMID SCAM!" Now, the one thing that really insults your intelligence is the fact that you obtained what you consider valid opinions from the same people you were investigating. How stupid is that? Hey, I'll go ask Phillip Morris if smoking is bad for my health, or, better yet, I'll paint myself black and ask the KKK if I am considered a man. Take a second, more objective, look.

Well I've taken a look at the company and it seems to be pretty decently run. I guess I can understand why they need those extra hours to keep everyone in a positive mood as I can see how the field can take a serious drain on people. People are having fun, and people seem to be making money. I think when my contract runs out in 2 weeks, I will join the company. #1. To be with my g/f more, and #2, it will help my g/f achieve her goals and #3, it seems like a very good atmoshpere. I really can't see too many negatives about the company. I asked people in the office about any horror stories, but they all said those people were only there for a few days and quit, which shows me that people don't know how to stick something out for at least a week or so.

Its tough to get a job when you haven't finished school. Nobody is going to hire someone who says "I almost earned my degree." Why the hell would they want to hire a quitter? Roxanna, your advice is really lousy. If you honestly feel that way about your 3 years of university than you must not have been doing very well (ie barely passing). Why the hell would you make it 3/4 of the way through and then give up? Why don't you finish school and then go back to Granton? Obviously you are a good distributor and leader, so you should be able to make assistant manager again easily, right? Then, if you make it, great. But if it doesn't pan out after a few years and you have to go on retrain and you are broke and in debt (which is the most likely outcome for anyone in any DS-Max company), at least you'll have your degree to fall back on. Despite the BS they(Granton) tell you, a degree is important. At the least it shows potential employers that you are willing to make a long term commitment, and that you finish what you start. BJ - Granton is a division of DS-Max. You should visit http://groups.msn.com/DSMAXTheAftermath. You'll find answers there. The crap that your girlfriend hears about a 6 figure income and having her own company is the standard recruiting protocol. Its what they tell people to get them in the door and to keep them there. As long as your girlfriend is there she is making money for someone else. They'll tell her a whole bundle of lies to make sure that she keeps bringing in the cash FOR THEM. Do not let her drop out of school. If you need to see for yourself just how full of BS they are, go to the office. Look at the cars parked there. Do any of them look like something only a person making 6 figures could afford? Find out where the owner lives. Go and check it out. Does it look like a place where someone making 6 figures would live? If it doesn't there's a very good reason. My owner bragged about a 6 figure income. His wife also worked, so he should have been living pretty well. But he drove an old jeep wrangler (~$9000) and rented an apartment that was purchased for $35,000. And he only had about 3 suits. It wasn't even as if he had just become owner. He had been an owner for about 3 years. Doesn't it seem odd that someone who should be making at least $10,000 a month would only keep their expenses to about $800 a month?

I at first was skeptical of the business and didn't think much of it as it seemed to be just promises and no guarantees. But I've been working for Granton advertising for the majority of the summer and the opportunity really is there. I am now an assistant manager and on my way to owner because I've worked hard and made a few sacrifices. If you are truly looking for a good life with good money, I urge you to strongly consider Cydcor/Granton/DS-Max as an alternative. Your girlfriend has definitely made the right choice. I would be lost without Granton, because even with my 3 years of university I haven't been able to find anything more than minimum wage. I'm making more than $500/wk at Granton and I also feel good about myself at the end of the day and I have met lots of nice and really cool people. DS-Max is a good company, but I know there are some offices that aren't run properly, but they are very few according to what I have been told. Just remember, Ds-max provides opportunity and freedom while you earn money. All school does is take money away from you so that's why I'm not going back this September. JUICE

I wanted to respond to your complaint. i was an owner of my own office, i went through this "program" in 7 1/2 months, and got to the top. It was very gratifing until my life personally and socially, almost became extinct. don't get me wrong I learned more about people in those 7 1/2 months than i did in 24 years. Although, it was the most mentally challenging thing i have ever done. I will not ever regret my year and 1/2 working for ds-max, but i will also never forget the mental anguish it caused my girlfreind, and my personal time. So i guess my advice would be to let your girl know, that you will get out of it what you put into it. And it will require her to put more into this than anything ever. To be successful in this biz, you need to love it and have a passion for it and be willing to sacrifice everything for the biz. Best of Luck, Former ds-max "super star" p.s. to the girl friend,"stay in school"

I wanted to respond to your complaint. i was an owner of my own office, i went through this "program" in 7 1/2 months, and got to the top. It was very gratifing until my life personally and socially, almost became extinct. don't get me wrong I learned more about people in those 7 1/2 months than i did in 24 years. Although, it was the most mentally challenging thing i have ever done. I will not ever regret my year and 1/2 working for ds-max, but i will also never forget the mental anguish it caused my girlfreind, and my personal time. So i guess my advice would be to let your girl know, that you will get out of it what you put into it. And it will require her to put more into this than anything ever. To be successful in this biz, you need to love it and have a passion for it and be willing to sacrifice everything for the biz. Best of Luck, Former ds-max "super star" p.s. to the girl friend,"stay in school"

I wanted to respond to your complaint. i was an owner of my own office, i went through this "program" in 7 1/2 months, and got to the top. It was very gratifing until my life personally and socially, almost became extinct. don't get me wrong I learned more about people in those 7 1/2 months than i did in 24 years. Although, it was the most mentally challenging thing i have ever done. I will not ever regret my year and 1/2 working for ds-max, but i will also never forget the mental anguish it caused my girlfreind, and my personal time. So i guess my advice would be to let your girl know, that you will get out of it what you put into it. And it will require her to put more into this than anything ever. To be successful in this biz, you need to love it and have a passion for it and be willing to sacrifice everything for the biz. Best of Luck, Former ds-max "super star" p.s. to the girl friend,"stay in school"

I wanted to respond to your complaint. i was an owner of my own office, i went through this "program" in 7 1/2 months, and got to the top. It was very gratifing until my life personally and socially, almost became extinct. don't get me wrong I learned more about people in those 7 1/2 months than i did in 24 years. Although, it was the most mentally challenging thing i have ever done. I will not ever regret my year and 1/2 working for ds-max, but i will also never forget the mental anguish it caused my girlfreind, and my personal time. So i guess my advice would be to let your girl know, that you will get out of it what you put into it. And it will require her to put more into this than anything ever. To be successful in this biz, you need to love it and have a passion for it and be willing to sacrifice everything for the biz. Best of Luck, Former ds-max "super star" p.s. to the girl friend,"stay in school"