Ukiah
New York,#2Consumer Comment
Sun, November 28, 2004
" Meagan is very bad with money she owes everybody and we can't get it to sink in that she needs to start paying off her bills." "her nineteen year old sister Holly Newcomb could co sign." "She went in and co-signed for her sister on 3/25/03 and also drove home in a new truck." I absolutely agree. I certainly don't like the things that car dealers do either, but let's get real here. 18 and 19 year olds are fighting and dying overseas, but yet yours somehow can't be held accountable for the idiotic decisions they made? Please, tell us what makes them so special. Why should they get a free pass on this? "We can't get it to sink in". Well, no s**t! So here's what you do - you let her get stuck for the bill this time, instead of bailing her out, and see how fast it "sinks in". If not, then exactly what age DO you think someone should be held accountable for their actions? When will they grow up and stop running to daddy? Again, I don't condone the actions of the dealer (assuming you have reported them correctly), but neither do I agree with letting the buyers off the hook. Good decisions come with experience. Experience comes from BAD decisions. Bad decisions are usually expensive. They clearly don't understand that yet.
Adolph
South Bend,#3Consumer Comment
Sun, October 19, 2003
In 1991 I purchased a GEO Prizm from the subject dealer. I, in a moment of foolishness, purchased a GM Silver warranty extension. (My first and last such act of stupidity) I specifically said I wanted a GM Silver policy, as that is on record with the car serial number, and is good nationwide. To cut to the chase, I periodically contacted GM Chevy division to make sure the warranty was in effect. Four months later, no record with GM. I went to the dealership and inquired as to why my GM warranty extension was not yet a matter of record. First I was told I was beyond the 90 day refund (from GM) policy. What %ucking gall! I told them I knew d**n well they mever sent the money to GM. The next explanation was: (Quote)"We gave you a much better warranty. It's an 'in house' warranty that covers EVERYTHING , unlike the GM warranty". I next asked about repairs during a trip, at another dealership. The next load of bull$hit was: (Quote)"Just bring us the bill and we'll reimberse you". At this point I DEMANDED my money back for the warranty (money) which they kept. I was told "it takes two people to authorize and sign a check, niether of which was on staff at that time. By this time it was getting close to their closing time. I was asked to leave. I told them I WASN'T leaving, and told them to call the local police, sheriff, or state police and declare they had an unruly customer who refused to leave. I made my self comfortable as they turned out the lights. They then told me they were calling the police. I reminded them that was my idea first, and they'd be lucky to get home by 10:00PM after we exchanged stories to the police. I also handed them my lawyer's card indicating any future dialogue would occur through my lawyer. Suddenly, a MIRACLE! No call to the fuzz, but SHAZAM!..... I was handed a check for the full amount of the scam warranty. Car dealers-you gotta' love 'em. I can never determine whether their dishonesty outweighs their stupidity. The chip on my shoulder weighs heavily upon entering a new car dealership.
Adolph
South Bend,#4Consumer Comment
Sun, October 19, 2003
In 1991 I purchased a GEO Prizm from the subject dealer. I, in a moment of foolishness, purchased a GM Silver warranty extension. (My first and last such act of stupidity) I specifically said I wanted a GM Silver policy, as that is on record with the car serial number, and is good nationwide. To cut to the chase, I periodically contacted GM Chevy division to make sure the warranty was in effect. Four months later, no record with GM. I went to the dealership and inquired as to why my GM warranty extension was not yet a matter of record. First I was told I was beyond the 90 day refund (from GM) policy. What %ucking gall! I told them I knew d**n well they mever sent the money to GM. The next explanation was: (Quote)"We gave you a much better warranty. It's an 'in house' warranty that covers EVERYTHING , unlike the GM warranty". I next asked about repairs during a trip, at another dealership. The next load of bull$hit was: (Quote)"Just bring us the bill and we'll reimberse you". At this point I DEMANDED my money back for the warranty (money) which they kept. I was told "it takes two people to authorize and sign a check, niether of which was on staff at that time. By this time it was getting close to their closing time. I was asked to leave. I told them I WASN'T leaving, and told them to call the local police, sheriff, or state police and declare they had an unruly customer who refused to leave. I made my self comfortable as they turned out the lights. They then told me they were calling the police. I reminded them that was my idea first, and they'd be lucky to get home by 10:00PM after we exchanged stories to the police. I also handed them my lawyer's card indicating any future dialogue would occur through my lawyer. Suddenly, a MIRACLE! No call to the fuzz, but SHAZAM!..... I was handed a check for the full amount of the scam warranty. Car dealers-you gotta' love 'em. I can never determine whether their dishonesty outweighs their stupidity. The chip on my shoulder weighs heavily upon entering a new car dealership.
Adolph
South Bend,#5Consumer Comment
Sun, October 19, 2003
In 1991 I purchased a GEO Prizm from the subject dealer. I, in a moment of foolishness, purchased a GM Silver warranty extension. (My first and last such act of stupidity) I specifically said I wanted a GM Silver policy, as that is on record with the car serial number, and is good nationwide. To cut to the chase, I periodically contacted GM Chevy division to make sure the warranty was in effect. Four months later, no record with GM. I went to the dealership and inquired as to why my GM warranty extension was not yet a matter of record. First I was told I was beyond the 90 day refund (from GM) policy. What %ucking gall! I told them I knew d**n well they mever sent the money to GM. The next explanation was: (Quote)"We gave you a much better warranty. It's an 'in house' warranty that covers EVERYTHING , unlike the GM warranty". I next asked about repairs during a trip, at another dealership. The next load of bull$hit was: (Quote)"Just bring us the bill and we'll reimberse you". At this point I DEMANDED my money back for the warranty (money) which they kept. I was told "it takes two people to authorize and sign a check, niether of which was on staff at that time. By this time it was getting close to their closing time. I was asked to leave. I told them I WASN'T leaving, and told them to call the local police, sheriff, or state police and declare they had an unruly customer who refused to leave. I made my self comfortable as they turned out the lights. They then told me they were calling the police. I reminded them that was my idea first, and they'd be lucky to get home by 10:00PM after we exchanged stories to the police. I also handed them my lawyer's card indicating any future dialogue would occur through my lawyer. Suddenly, a MIRACLE! No call to the fuzz, but SHAZAM!..... I was handed a check for the full amount of the scam warranty. Car dealers-you gotta' love 'em. I can never determine whether their dishonesty outweighs their stupidity. The chip on my shoulder weighs heavily upon entering a new car dealership.
Adolph
South Bend,#6Consumer Comment
Sun, October 19, 2003
In 1991 I purchased a GEO Prizm from the subject dealer. I, in a moment of foolishness, purchased a GM Silver warranty extension. (My first and last such act of stupidity) I specifically said I wanted a GM Silver policy, as that is on record with the car serial number, and is good nationwide. To cut to the chase, I periodically contacted GM Chevy division to make sure the warranty was in effect. Four months later, no record with GM. I went to the dealership and inquired as to why my GM warranty extension was not yet a matter of record. First I was told I was beyond the 90 day refund (from GM) policy. What %ucking gall! I told them I knew d**n well they mever sent the money to GM. The next explanation was: (Quote)"We gave you a much better warranty. It's an 'in house' warranty that covers EVERYTHING , unlike the GM warranty". I next asked about repairs during a trip, at another dealership. The next load of bull$hit was: (Quote)"Just bring us the bill and we'll reimberse you". At this point I DEMANDED my money back for the warranty (money) which they kept. I was told "it takes two people to authorize and sign a check, niether of which was on staff at that time. By this time it was getting close to their closing time. I was asked to leave. I told them I WASN'T leaving, and told them to call the local police, sheriff, or state police and declare they had an unruly customer who refused to leave. I made my self comfortable as they turned out the lights. They then told me they were calling the police. I reminded them that was my idea first, and they'd be lucky to get home by 10:00PM after we exchanged stories to the police. I also handed them my lawyer's card indicating any future dialogue would occur through my lawyer. Suddenly, a MIRACLE! No call to the fuzz, but SHAZAM!..... I was handed a check for the full amount of the scam warranty. Car dealers-you gotta' love 'em. I can never determine whether their dishonesty outweighs their stupidity. The chip on my shoulder weighs heavily upon entering a new car dealership.
The Great Thorn - Rip-off Report Consumer Advocate
Bayville,#7Consumer Suggestion
Sat, October 18, 2003
It's best to send a "Printer Friendly Version" of your Rip Off Report to Every contact below. Associated Press 50 Rockefeller Plaza, New York, NY 10020 Phone: 212-621-1500 Fax: 212-621-7523 General Questions and Comments: [email protected] United Press International 1510 H Street, NW Washington, DC 20005 Telephone: 202.898.8000 FAX: 202.898.8057 Comment and Tips: [email protected] New York Times 229 W. 43rd St., New York, NY 10036 Phone: 212-556-1234 Fax: 212-556-3690 [email protected] Write to the news editors: [email protected] Washington Post 1150 15th St., NW, Washington, DC 20071 Phone: 202-334-6000 Fax: 202-334-5269 Letters to the Editor: [email protected] ABC News 77 W. 66 St., New York, NY 10023 Phone: 212-456-7777 General e-mail: [email protected] CBS News 524 W. 57 St., New York, NY 10019 Phone: 212-975-4321 Fax: 212-975-1893 Evening News with Dan Rather: [email protected] The Early Show: [email protected] 60 Minutes II: [email protected] 48 Hours: [email protected] Trust me Steve on this one. Fox knows all about www.ripoffreport.com Fox News Channel 1211 Ave. of the Americas New York, NY 10036 Phone: (212) 301-3000 Fax: (212) 301-4229 [email protected] Special Report with Brit Hume: [email protected] FOX Report with Shepard Smith: [email protected] I have been told that Bill has big balls, let's put him to the test. The O'Reilly Factor: [email protected] NBC 30 Rockefeller Plaza, New York, NY 10112 Phone: 212-664-4444 Fax: 212-664-4426 NBC Nightly News with Tom Brokaw: [email protected] NBC News' Today: [email protected] Give Rush Limbaugh something HARD to chew on after his short Interruption. The Rush Limbaugh Show 1270 Avenue of the Americas, NY 10020 Phone: 800-282-2882 Fax: 212-563-9166 E-mail: [email protected] and [email protected] Some in the media have no balls, but let's let them read the fun we are having. Sean Hannity Show E-mail: Program Director [email protected] Indiana Department of Financial Institutions Mr. Charles W. Phillips Director, Dept of Financial Inst 30 S. Meridian St., Suite 300 Indianapolis, IN 46204 Phone: (317) 232-3955 Fax: (317) 232-7655 The Boston Globe prints about 789,000 papers a day. The Boston Globe P.O. Box 2378 Boston, MA 02107-2378 E-mail [email protected] Steve I have done some work to find some good email addresses of people that work at Detroit Free Press. They print about 1,172,000 papers a day. Many in the auto industry read this paper. Make sure all email addresses below get to read your Rip Off Report. Steve I cherry picked these below, so make sure they all get to read your Rip Off Report, OK? [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] Steve the New York Times fires off about 1,76 million copies a day. Make sure they get to read your Rip Off Report. Again, I cherry picked for you. [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] Steve The Wall Street Journal prints about 1,854 million copies a day. Do you think they would like to CHEW on your Rip Off Report? If so, Fire away my fellow American! [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] Helping the car buying victim is our true calling! Foot Note to the car dealer that I know is keeping up with this Rip Off Report. Auto deception must and will be expose. Let's take a "Honest Broom" to this mess and make it right so the VICTIM's can MOVE ON Mr Car dealer! Want to see how dirty a car dealer can be? Go to http://www.badbusinessbureau.com/report68355.htm and read the report and look at both pic's
Steve
LAKEVILLE,#8Author of original report
Sat, September 20, 2003
Have had a hard five month's but thanks to the Great Thorn and the Rip-off Report I recieved a offer in the mail yesterday from Gates Chevy. I ask the Great Thorn for help and he flooded me with people to call and email, and with that help I went to work. I sent out over a hundred emails, then when I didn't get a reply I sent out more, just to let them know I was not going away any time soon. Gates didn't think that I would last this long but I filled a camplaint with the BBB and Gates wrote them back that the matter was taken care off. Then all of the sudden my complaint was thrown out, b/c my daughter had to file it. We had to start all over but know we are going to arbitration. I COULD USE SOME HELP FROM THE GREAR THORN ON THIS B/C I KNOW I AM UP AGAINST THE DEALERSHIP BUDDYS. Still have one truck, and I fell Gates has lied to GMAC so much that I don't get anymore calls. Get this, GMAC is going after Gates for the loan. They are making them buy the truck and I still have it, so Gates will have to get it from me. Dealers are not as smart as you think. I contacted the Attorney General and recieved there letter today, it looks like Gates tried to blow them off b/c they thought that if they didn't respond the Attorney General, they would for get about it. They didn't and Gates had to scramble to come up with a new settlment. Gates told them my one daughter bought two trucks, and my other daughter did not buy anything. How can this be? Gates gave her a 30 day plate, then after the title was put in her sisters name they gave her an extra 10 day plate. How can they give out temp plates to somebody with out selling them a car. She signed for both plates but they never gave her the paper work. Can anybody out there tell me how I can get a copy of the temp. plates paper work that she signed. Do you know they had the balls to send me a letter and tell me if i didn't give them the money back that they paid off my daughters personal loan, they would file charges against her.They gave us ten days, well that was a month ago and haden't heard anything. Try this, when the rip-off dealer has a sale and a local DJ from a radio station is standing beside the manager telling everybody how goog a deal he is giving. Email that DJ and let them know how they treat there customers. Didn't you know good but the thing is every where Gates goes my name comes up. When you read this do me a favor and go to Gates customer service on line and tell them the Newcomb's are not going away. [email protected] Rick Meewes is the General Manager
The Great Thorn - Rip-off Report Consumer Advocate
Bayville,#9Consumer Suggestion
Sun, June 15, 2003
Steve I have been informed that you would like my help to expose your dirty dealer. Your wish is my command.
I want you to think of what I am going to post as a step by step process to EXPOSE! You also need to keep in mind that most attorneys will not help you in a court of law because most attorneys like to work for the ones with the deepest pockets.
Now, lets lay out a step by step process that will get the word out in a very big way as to how you and your kids have been RIPPED OFF. I hope you are ready to Expose!
Step 1: I want you to print of one clear "Printer Friendly Version" of your Rip Off Report. Make sure that it is a VERY CLEAR copy because many will read it.
Step 2: I want you to take your "Printer Friendly Version" to a Kinko's or Office Max and make Many copies. They do not have to be in color.
Step 3: I want you to send a copy of your Rip Off Report to EVERY contact that I post for you. You also need to inform both banks that bought these dirty car deals that they are being mentioned in your Rip Off Report for not checking out the dirty car dealers that the above car dealer put these kids into.
You have to ask this question: Why were the banks Not willing to call your kids and verify all info pertaining to these two dirty car deals. Because they just might sleep on the same dirty mattress that the dealer sleeps on, you think?
Now I am going to post many names, snail mail addresses, email addresses, and fax numbers that I feel you should use all of them to EXPOSE your dealer and both banks that will hang any kind of paper.
Indiana Department of Financial Institutions
402 West Washington St.
Room W-066
Indianapolis, IN 46204-2759
317-232-3955
Toll free in IN: 1-800-382-4880
Fax: 317-232-7655
Web site: www.dfi.state.in.us
Your state's Attorney General needs to read your complete Rip Off Report.
Indiana State Offices Chief Counsel and Director
Consumer Protection Division
Office of the Attorney General
Indiana Government Center South
402 West Washington Street, 5th Floor
Indianapolis, IN 46204
317-232-6201
Toll free in IN: 1-800-382-5516 Consumer Hotline
Fax: 317-232-7979
Web site: www.in.gov/attorneygeneral
County Offices Marion County Prosecuting Attorney
Marrion County Prosecuting Attorney's Office
560 City-County Building
200 East Washington Street
Indianapolis, IN 46204-3363
317-327-3892
Fax: 317-327-5409
Web site: www.indygov.org
GM needs to read your Rip Off Report so they have a good idea how car buyers are being Ripped Off. Now they just might do nothing for you, but your dealer has been exposed to GM, and that's good!
Chevrolet Motor Division, General Motors Corp.
PO Box 33170
Detroit, MI 48232-5170
Toll free: 1-800-222-1020
Fax: 313-556-5108
Web site: www.chevrolet.com
Next I proudly give you some of your state's senators contact info. fax them all a clear copy of your Rip Off Report. You might like to tell them to pass some Anti deception laws that protect consumers from deception in the auto industry.
Senator Richard G. Lugar (R- IN) Fx 202-228-0360
Senator Evan Bayh (D- IN) Fx 202-228-1377
Representative Peter J. Visclosky (D - 01)
Fx 202-225-2493
Representative Chris Chocola (R - 02)
Fx 202-225-6798
Representative Mark Edward Souder (R - 03)
Fx 202-225-3479
Representative Stephen E. Buyer (R - 04)
Fx 02-225-2267
Representative Dan Burton (R - 05) Fx202-225-0016
Representative Mike Pence (R - 06) Fx202-225-3382
Representative Julia Carson (D - 07)
Fx 202-225-5633
Representative John N. Hostettler (R - 08)
Fx202-225-3284
Representative Baron P. Hill (D - 09)
Fx 202-226-6866
Majority Leader William H. Frist (R-TN
Fx 202-228-1264
Email http://frist.senate.gov/contact.cfm
Majority Whip Mitch McConnell (R-KY)
Fx 202-224-2499
Email [email protected]
This guy who I feel is a CLOWN, does nothing for consumers. Fx him a copy anyway.
Minority Leader Thomas A. Daschle (D-SD)
Fx 202-224-6603
http://daschle.senate.gov/webform.html
Minority Whip Harry Reid (D-NV)
Fx 202-224-7327
Email http://reid.senate.gov/email_form.cfm
Next we need to see to it that these fine folks get to have some fun reading your Rip Off report. Maybe they will write a good news article about deceptive car dealers making the Rip Off Report. They all work for Automotive News, A good publication that keeps an eye on the auto industry.
Edward Lapham Editor [email protected]
Dave Guilford General Motors Reporter [email protected]
Victor Galvan Web Editor [email protected]
Charles Child News Editor [email protected]
Jim Crate International Editor [email protected]
Chaz Osburn National Editor [email protected]
Jack Teahen Senior Editor [email protected]
Dale Jewett Industry Editor [email protected]
Julie Cantwell Marketing Reporter [email protected]
KC Crain General Assignments Reporter [email protected]
Debi Domby Research Assistant [email protected]
Donna Harris Reporter, Washington [email protected]
Jim Henry Reporter, New York [email protected]
Gail Kachadourian Web Reporter [email protected]
Dorota Kowalski Research Assistant [email protected]
Mark Rechtin Reporter, Los Angeles [email protected]
Harry Stoffer Reporter, Washington [email protected]
Steve the newspaper that is the biggest in your state is the Indystar. They print just over 330,000 copies everyday. Here is some email addresses of their reporters. Fire away at them. See if any have a big back bone and are willing to write a news article exposing car dealer deception. Fat chance, but let's see.
[email protected]
[email protected]
[email protected]
[email protected]
[email protected]
[email protected]
[email protected]
[email protected]
[email protected]
[email protected]
[email protected]
[email protected]
[email protected] Call her and ask her for their main news fax number
Contact her at 1-317-444-6206
Now I can't promiss you that any of the above will do anything, But I can promiss you that if you use all of the above contact info, your dealer will know that they have been EXPOSED in a big way.
I would like to see some of the dirty car dealer employees go TO JAIL when they commit fraud. car dealers have been liying on car buyers credit apps for years and getting away with it.
To all who read this, if you would like to see if you favorite car dealer likes to play games, try this. call up your auto lender and ask them to send you copies of all documentation that your car dealer sent to them at the time you bought your car.
You my fellow American might get a big surprise as to what your dealer might have written in on your credit application before they sent it to your auto lender.
Note to Steve: I am sorry as to your situation. I would not give up the two trucks untill after I got a good chance to tell a jury in a court of law what has happend to both of your kids.
A jury needs to see all of your documentation that you have on these two VERY DECEPTIVE car deals.
Steve now you have a good way to expose your dealer. You might also like to order the Editor's Rip Off Revenge book. I know it has some helpful tips for you.
I hope I have helped you Steve.
The Great Thorn - Rip-off Report Consumer Advocate
Bayville,#10Consumer Suggestion
Sun, June 15, 2003
Steve I have been informed that you would like my help to expose your dirty dealer. Your wish is my command.
I want you to think of what I am going to post as a step by step process to EXPOSE! You also need to keep in mind that most attorneys will not help you in a court of law because most attorneys like to work for the ones with the deepest pockets.
Now, lets lay out a step by step process that will get the word out in a very big way as to how you and your kids have been RIPPED OFF. I hope you are ready to Expose!
Step 1: I want you to print of one clear "Printer Friendly Version" of your Rip Off Report. Make sure that it is a VERY CLEAR copy because many will read it.
Step 2: I want you to take your "Printer Friendly Version" to a Kinko's or Office Max and make Many copies. They do not have to be in color.
Step 3: I want you to send a copy of your Rip Off Report to EVERY contact that I post for you. You also need to inform both banks that bought these dirty car deals that they are being mentioned in your Rip Off Report for not checking out the dirty car dealers that the above car dealer put these kids into.
You have to ask this question: Why were the banks Not willing to call your kids and verify all info pertaining to these two dirty car deals. Because they just might sleep on the same dirty mattress that the dealer sleeps on, you think?
Now I am going to post many names, snail mail addresses, email addresses, and fax numbers that I feel you should use all of them to EXPOSE your dealer and both banks that will hang any kind of paper.
Indiana Department of Financial Institutions
402 West Washington St.
Room W-066
Indianapolis, IN 46204-2759
317-232-3955
Toll free in IN: 1-800-382-4880
Fax: 317-232-7655
Web site: www.dfi.state.in.us
Your state's Attorney General needs to read your complete Rip Off Report.
Indiana State Offices Chief Counsel and Director
Consumer Protection Division
Office of the Attorney General
Indiana Government Center South
402 West Washington Street, 5th Floor
Indianapolis, IN 46204
317-232-6201
Toll free in IN: 1-800-382-5516 Consumer Hotline
Fax: 317-232-7979
Web site: www.in.gov/attorneygeneral
County Offices Marion County Prosecuting Attorney
Marrion County Prosecuting Attorney's Office
560 City-County Building
200 East Washington Street
Indianapolis, IN 46204-3363
317-327-3892
Fax: 317-327-5409
Web site: www.indygov.org
GM needs to read your Rip Off Report so they have a good idea how car buyers are being Ripped Off. Now they just might do nothing for you, but your dealer has been exposed to GM, and that's good!
Chevrolet Motor Division, General Motors Corp.
PO Box 33170
Detroit, MI 48232-5170
Toll free: 1-800-222-1020
Fax: 313-556-5108
Web site: www.chevrolet.com
Next I proudly give you some of your state's senators contact info. fax them all a clear copy of your Rip Off Report. You might like to tell them to pass some Anti deception laws that protect consumers from deception in the auto industry.
Senator Richard G. Lugar (R- IN) Fx 202-228-0360
Senator Evan Bayh (D- IN) Fx 202-228-1377
Representative Peter J. Visclosky (D - 01)
Fx 202-225-2493
Representative Chris Chocola (R - 02)
Fx 202-225-6798
Representative Mark Edward Souder (R - 03)
Fx 202-225-3479
Representative Stephen E. Buyer (R - 04)
Fx 02-225-2267
Representative Dan Burton (R - 05) Fx202-225-0016
Representative Mike Pence (R - 06) Fx202-225-3382
Representative Julia Carson (D - 07)
Fx 202-225-5633
Representative John N. Hostettler (R - 08)
Fx202-225-3284
Representative Baron P. Hill (D - 09)
Fx 202-226-6866
Majority Leader William H. Frist (R-TN
Fx 202-228-1264
Email http://frist.senate.gov/contact.cfm
Majority Whip Mitch McConnell (R-KY)
Fx 202-224-2499
Email [email protected]
This guy who I feel is a CLOWN, does nothing for consumers. Fx him a copy anyway.
Minority Leader Thomas A. Daschle (D-SD)
Fx 202-224-6603
http://daschle.senate.gov/webform.html
Minority Whip Harry Reid (D-NV)
Fx 202-224-7327
Email http://reid.senate.gov/email_form.cfm
Next we need to see to it that these fine folks get to have some fun reading your Rip Off report. Maybe they will write a good news article about deceptive car dealers making the Rip Off Report. They all work for Automotive News, A good publication that keeps an eye on the auto industry.
Edward Lapham Editor [email protected]
Dave Guilford General Motors Reporter [email protected]
Victor Galvan Web Editor [email protected]
Charles Child News Editor [email protected]
Jim Crate International Editor [email protected]
Chaz Osburn National Editor [email protected]
Jack Teahen Senior Editor [email protected]
Dale Jewett Industry Editor [email protected]
Julie Cantwell Marketing Reporter [email protected]
KC Crain General Assignments Reporter [email protected]
Debi Domby Research Assistant [email protected]
Donna Harris Reporter, Washington [email protected]
Jim Henry Reporter, New York [email protected]
Gail Kachadourian Web Reporter [email protected]
Dorota Kowalski Research Assistant [email protected]
Mark Rechtin Reporter, Los Angeles [email protected]
Harry Stoffer Reporter, Washington [email protected]
Steve the newspaper that is the biggest in your state is the Indystar. They print just over 330,000 copies everyday. Here is some email addresses of their reporters. Fire away at them. See if any have a big back bone and are willing to write a news article exposing car dealer deception. Fat chance, but let's see.
[email protected]
[email protected]
[email protected]
[email protected]
[email protected]
[email protected]
[email protected]
[email protected]
[email protected]
[email protected]
[email protected]
[email protected]
[email protected] Call her and ask her for their main news fax number
Contact her at 1-317-444-6206
Now I can't promiss you that any of the above will do anything, But I can promiss you that if you use all of the above contact info, your dealer will know that they have been EXPOSED in a big way.
I would like to see some of the dirty car dealer employees go TO JAIL when they commit fraud. car dealers have been liying on car buyers credit apps for years and getting away with it.
To all who read this, if you would like to see if you favorite car dealer likes to play games, try this. call up your auto lender and ask them to send you copies of all documentation that your car dealer sent to them at the time you bought your car.
You my fellow American might get a big surprise as to what your dealer might have written in on your credit application before they sent it to your auto lender.
Note to Steve: I am sorry as to your situation. I would not give up the two trucks untill after I got a good chance to tell a jury in a court of law what has happend to both of your kids.
A jury needs to see all of your documentation that you have on these two VERY DECEPTIVE car deals.
Steve now you have a good way to expose your dealer. You might also like to order the Editor's Rip Off Revenge book. I know it has some helpful tips for you.
I hope I have helped you Steve.
The Great Thorn - Rip-off Report Consumer Advocate
Bayville,#11Consumer Suggestion
Sun, June 15, 2003
Steve I have been informed that you would like my help to expose your dirty dealer. Your wish is my command.
I want you to think of what I am going to post as a step by step process to EXPOSE! You also need to keep in mind that most attorneys will not help you in a court of law because most attorneys like to work for the ones with the deepest pockets.
Now, lets lay out a step by step process that will get the word out in a very big way as to how you and your kids have been RIPPED OFF. I hope you are ready to Expose!
Step 1: I want you to print of one clear "Printer Friendly Version" of your Rip Off Report. Make sure that it is a VERY CLEAR copy because many will read it.
Step 2: I want you to take your "Printer Friendly Version" to a Kinko's or Office Max and make Many copies. They do not have to be in color.
Step 3: I want you to send a copy of your Rip Off Report to EVERY contact that I post for you. You also need to inform both banks that bought these dirty car deals that they are being mentioned in your Rip Off Report for not checking out the dirty car dealers that the above car dealer put these kids into.
You have to ask this question: Why were the banks Not willing to call your kids and verify all info pertaining to these two dirty car deals. Because they just might sleep on the same dirty mattress that the dealer sleeps on, you think?
Now I am going to post many names, snail mail addresses, email addresses, and fax numbers that I feel you should use all of them to EXPOSE your dealer and both banks that will hang any kind of paper.
Indiana Department of Financial Institutions
402 West Washington St.
Room W-066
Indianapolis, IN 46204-2759
317-232-3955
Toll free in IN: 1-800-382-4880
Fax: 317-232-7655
Web site: www.dfi.state.in.us
Your state's Attorney General needs to read your complete Rip Off Report.
Indiana State Offices Chief Counsel and Director
Consumer Protection Division
Office of the Attorney General
Indiana Government Center South
402 West Washington Street, 5th Floor
Indianapolis, IN 46204
317-232-6201
Toll free in IN: 1-800-382-5516 Consumer Hotline
Fax: 317-232-7979
Web site: www.in.gov/attorneygeneral
County Offices Marion County Prosecuting Attorney
Marrion County Prosecuting Attorney's Office
560 City-County Building
200 East Washington Street
Indianapolis, IN 46204-3363
317-327-3892
Fax: 317-327-5409
Web site: www.indygov.org
GM needs to read your Rip Off Report so they have a good idea how car buyers are being Ripped Off. Now they just might do nothing for you, but your dealer has been exposed to GM, and that's good!
Chevrolet Motor Division, General Motors Corp.
PO Box 33170
Detroit, MI 48232-5170
Toll free: 1-800-222-1020
Fax: 313-556-5108
Web site: www.chevrolet.com
Next I proudly give you some of your state's senators contact info. fax them all a clear copy of your Rip Off Report. You might like to tell them to pass some Anti deception laws that protect consumers from deception in the auto industry.
Senator Richard G. Lugar (R- IN) Fx 202-228-0360
Senator Evan Bayh (D- IN) Fx 202-228-1377
Representative Peter J. Visclosky (D - 01)
Fx 202-225-2493
Representative Chris Chocola (R - 02)
Fx 202-225-6798
Representative Mark Edward Souder (R - 03)
Fx 202-225-3479
Representative Stephen E. Buyer (R - 04)
Fx 02-225-2267
Representative Dan Burton (R - 05) Fx202-225-0016
Representative Mike Pence (R - 06) Fx202-225-3382
Representative Julia Carson (D - 07)
Fx 202-225-5633
Representative John N. Hostettler (R - 08)
Fx202-225-3284
Representative Baron P. Hill (D - 09)
Fx 202-226-6866
Majority Leader William H. Frist (R-TN
Fx 202-228-1264
Email http://frist.senate.gov/contact.cfm
Majority Whip Mitch McConnell (R-KY)
Fx 202-224-2499
Email [email protected]
This guy who I feel is a CLOWN, does nothing for consumers. Fx him a copy anyway.
Minority Leader Thomas A. Daschle (D-SD)
Fx 202-224-6603
http://daschle.senate.gov/webform.html
Minority Whip Harry Reid (D-NV)
Fx 202-224-7327
Email http://reid.senate.gov/email_form.cfm
Next we need to see to it that these fine folks get to have some fun reading your Rip Off report. Maybe they will write a good news article about deceptive car dealers making the Rip Off Report. They all work for Automotive News, A good publication that keeps an eye on the auto industry.
Edward Lapham Editor [email protected]
Dave Guilford General Motors Reporter [email protected]
Victor Galvan Web Editor [email protected]
Charles Child News Editor [email protected]
Jim Crate International Editor [email protected]
Chaz Osburn National Editor [email protected]
Jack Teahen Senior Editor [email protected]
Dale Jewett Industry Editor [email protected]
Julie Cantwell Marketing Reporter [email protected]
KC Crain General Assignments Reporter [email protected]
Debi Domby Research Assistant [email protected]
Donna Harris Reporter, Washington [email protected]
Jim Henry Reporter, New York [email protected]
Gail Kachadourian Web Reporter [email protected]
Dorota Kowalski Research Assistant [email protected]
Mark Rechtin Reporter, Los Angeles [email protected]
Harry Stoffer Reporter, Washington [email protected]
Steve the newspaper that is the biggest in your state is the Indystar. They print just over 330,000 copies everyday. Here is some email addresses of their reporters. Fire away at them. See if any have a big back bone and are willing to write a news article exposing car dealer deception. Fat chance, but let's see.
[email protected]
[email protected]
[email protected]
[email protected]
[email protected]
[email protected]
[email protected]
[email protected]
[email protected]
[email protected]
[email protected]
[email protected]
[email protected] Call her and ask her for their main news fax number
Contact her at 1-317-444-6206
Now I can't promiss you that any of the above will do anything, But I can promiss you that if you use all of the above contact info, your dealer will know that they have been EXPOSED in a big way.
I would like to see some of the dirty car dealer employees go TO JAIL when they commit fraud. car dealers have been liying on car buyers credit apps for years and getting away with it.
To all who read this, if you would like to see if you favorite car dealer likes to play games, try this. call up your auto lender and ask them to send you copies of all documentation that your car dealer sent to them at the time you bought your car.
You my fellow American might get a big surprise as to what your dealer might have written in on your credit application before they sent it to your auto lender.
Note to Steve: I am sorry as to your situation. I would not give up the two trucks untill after I got a good chance to tell a jury in a court of law what has happend to both of your kids.
A jury needs to see all of your documentation that you have on these two VERY DECEPTIVE car deals.
Steve now you have a good way to expose your dealer. You might also like to order the Editor's Rip Off Revenge book. I know it has some helpful tips for you.
I hope I have helped you Steve.
The Great Thorn - Rip-off Report Consumer Advocate
Bayville,#12Consumer Suggestion
Sun, June 15, 2003
Steve I have been informed that you would like my help to expose your dirty dealer. Your wish is my command.
I want you to think of what I am going to post as a step by step process to EXPOSE! You also need to keep in mind that most attorneys will not help you in a court of law because most attorneys like to work for the ones with the deepest pockets.
Now, lets lay out a step by step process that will get the word out in a very big way as to how you and your kids have been RIPPED OFF. I hope you are ready to Expose!
Step 1: I want you to print of one clear "Printer Friendly Version" of your Rip Off Report. Make sure that it is a VERY CLEAR copy because many will read it.
Step 2: I want you to take your "Printer Friendly Version" to a Kinko's or Office Max and make Many copies. They do not have to be in color.
Step 3: I want you to send a copy of your Rip Off Report to EVERY contact that I post for you. You also need to inform both banks that bought these dirty car deals that they are being mentioned in your Rip Off Report for not checking out the dirty car dealers that the above car dealer put these kids into.
You have to ask this question: Why were the banks Not willing to call your kids and verify all info pertaining to these two dirty car deals. Because they just might sleep on the same dirty mattress that the dealer sleeps on, you think?
Now I am going to post many names, snail mail addresses, email addresses, and fax numbers that I feel you should use all of them to EXPOSE your dealer and both banks that will hang any kind of paper.
Indiana Department of Financial Institutions
402 West Washington St.
Room W-066
Indianapolis, IN 46204-2759
317-232-3955
Toll free in IN: 1-800-382-4880
Fax: 317-232-7655
Web site: www.dfi.state.in.us
Your state's Attorney General needs to read your complete Rip Off Report.
Indiana State Offices Chief Counsel and Director
Consumer Protection Division
Office of the Attorney General
Indiana Government Center South
402 West Washington Street, 5th Floor
Indianapolis, IN 46204
317-232-6201
Toll free in IN: 1-800-382-5516 Consumer Hotline
Fax: 317-232-7979
Web site: www.in.gov/attorneygeneral
County Offices Marion County Prosecuting Attorney
Marrion County Prosecuting Attorney's Office
560 City-County Building
200 East Washington Street
Indianapolis, IN 46204-3363
317-327-3892
Fax: 317-327-5409
Web site: www.indygov.org
GM needs to read your Rip Off Report so they have a good idea how car buyers are being Ripped Off. Now they just might do nothing for you, but your dealer has been exposed to GM, and that's good!
Chevrolet Motor Division, General Motors Corp.
PO Box 33170
Detroit, MI 48232-5170
Toll free: 1-800-222-1020
Fax: 313-556-5108
Web site: www.chevrolet.com
Next I proudly give you some of your state's senators contact info. fax them all a clear copy of your Rip Off Report. You might like to tell them to pass some Anti deception laws that protect consumers from deception in the auto industry.
Senator Richard G. Lugar (R- IN) Fx 202-228-0360
Senator Evan Bayh (D- IN) Fx 202-228-1377
Representative Peter J. Visclosky (D - 01)
Fx 202-225-2493
Representative Chris Chocola (R - 02)
Fx 202-225-6798
Representative Mark Edward Souder (R - 03)
Fx 202-225-3479
Representative Stephen E. Buyer (R - 04)
Fx 02-225-2267
Representative Dan Burton (R - 05) Fx202-225-0016
Representative Mike Pence (R - 06) Fx202-225-3382
Representative Julia Carson (D - 07)
Fx 202-225-5633
Representative John N. Hostettler (R - 08)
Fx202-225-3284
Representative Baron P. Hill (D - 09)
Fx 202-226-6866
Majority Leader William H. Frist (R-TN
Fx 202-228-1264
Email http://frist.senate.gov/contact.cfm
Majority Whip Mitch McConnell (R-KY)
Fx 202-224-2499
Email [email protected]
This guy who I feel is a CLOWN, does nothing for consumers. Fx him a copy anyway.
Minority Leader Thomas A. Daschle (D-SD)
Fx 202-224-6603
http://daschle.senate.gov/webform.html
Minority Whip Harry Reid (D-NV)
Fx 202-224-7327
Email http://reid.senate.gov/email_form.cfm
Next we need to see to it that these fine folks get to have some fun reading your Rip Off report. Maybe they will write a good news article about deceptive car dealers making the Rip Off Report. They all work for Automotive News, A good publication that keeps an eye on the auto industry.
Edward Lapham Editor [email protected]
Dave Guilford General Motors Reporter [email protected]
Victor Galvan Web Editor [email protected]
Charles Child News Editor [email protected]
Jim Crate International Editor [email protected]
Chaz Osburn National Editor [email protected]
Jack Teahen Senior Editor [email protected]
Dale Jewett Industry Editor [email protected]
Julie Cantwell Marketing Reporter [email protected]
KC Crain General Assignments Reporter [email protected]
Debi Domby Research Assistant [email protected]
Donna Harris Reporter, Washington [email protected]
Jim Henry Reporter, New York [email protected]
Gail Kachadourian Web Reporter [email protected]
Dorota Kowalski Research Assistant [email protected]
Mark Rechtin Reporter, Los Angeles [email protected]
Harry Stoffer Reporter, Washington [email protected]
Steve the newspaper that is the biggest in your state is the Indystar. They print just over 330,000 copies everyday. Here is some email addresses of their reporters. Fire away at them. See if any have a big back bone and are willing to write a news article exposing car dealer deception. Fat chance, but let's see.
[email protected]
[email protected]
[email protected]
[email protected]
[email protected]
[email protected]
[email protected]
[email protected]
[email protected]
[email protected]
[email protected]
[email protected]
[email protected] Call her and ask her for their main news fax number
Contact her at 1-317-444-6206
Now I can't promiss you that any of the above will do anything, But I can promiss you that if you use all of the above contact info, your dealer will know that they have been EXPOSED in a big way.
I would like to see some of the dirty car dealer employees go TO JAIL when they commit fraud. car dealers have been liying on car buyers credit apps for years and getting away with it.
To all who read this, if you would like to see if you favorite car dealer likes to play games, try this. call up your auto lender and ask them to send you copies of all documentation that your car dealer sent to them at the time you bought your car.
You my fellow American might get a big surprise as to what your dealer might have written in on your credit application before they sent it to your auto lender.
Note to Steve: I am sorry as to your situation. I would not give up the two trucks untill after I got a good chance to tell a jury in a court of law what has happend to both of your kids.
A jury needs to see all of your documentation that you have on these two VERY DECEPTIVE car deals.
Steve now you have a good way to expose your dealer. You might also like to order the Editor's Rip Off Revenge book. I know it has some helpful tips for you.
I hope I have helped you Steve.
Steve
LAKEVILLE,#13Author of original report
Fri, June 13, 2003
Talked to another Attorny today, same old s**t buyers beware. Why is it ok for salesmen to lie, he said that is what salesmen do it is your fault you let them do it to you.
THIS IS A NINETEEN YEAR OLD KID
Lance Oliver and Gates Chevy should be prowd they used a nineteen year old to put food on there table.